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Adenosine
8th February 2012, 11:06 AM
My 12 year old daughter brought a note home from her state school advising that the fucking Chaplain would be providing a forum in "Religious Education" for the grade 8's to discuss the big questions. Who am I? What am I here for? Where am I going?
The letter continues; "These issues may be discussed from a Christian perspective." No, really? By the Christian Chaplain? Who'd a thunk it?
I'm going in tomorrow and I'm tearing them a new asshole. I'm sick and fucking tired of fighting against Christian encroachment into state schools in the guise of religious "education".
The letter continues; "These issues may be discussed from a Christian perspective." No, really? By the Christian Chaplain? Who'd a thunk it?
I'm going in tomorrow and I'm tearing them a new asshole. I'm sick and fucking tired of fighting against Christian encroachment into state schools in the guise of religious "education".
charlou
8th February 2012, 11:21 AM
You're in Qld? I've heard this encroachment into schools is particularly insidious there?
If you can think of any way I can help, let me know. For now, it's here in the form of my full support, Aden.
Ahh .. here's a group you might be interested in finding contacts for further support: http://www.facebook.com/groups/stopnscp/
If you can think of any way I can help, let me know. For now, it's here in the form of my full support, Aden.
Ahh .. here's a group you might be interested in finding contacts for further support: http://www.facebook.com/groups/stopnscp/
Adenosine
8th February 2012, 11:26 AM
Yup, Queensland, The Christ State.
Ron Williams, a Toowoomba parent, is taking the Queensland and Australian governments to the High Court over the Chaplaincy program.
Actually you gave me the idea to contact the Queensland Humanists. They'll back me up.
Ron Williams, a Toowoomba parent, is taking the Queensland and Australian governments to the High Court over the Chaplaincy program.
Actually you gave me the idea to contact the Queensland Humanists. They'll back me up.
Magicziggy
8th February 2012, 11:33 AM
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Hermit
8th February 2012, 11:39 AM
Can't resist posting this anywhere, anytime:
http://www.27bslash6.com/easter.html
I've read that one before, but it is hilarious still.
The challenge to the chaplaincy program on constitutional grounds (no, it was not based on section 116 of the constitution) was heard over three days around September last year. The high court judges will publish their determination any day now. I am not optimistic about the outcome.
http://www.27bslash6.com/easter.html
I've read that one before, but it is hilarious still.
The challenge to the chaplaincy program on constitutional grounds (no, it was not based on section 116 of the constitution) was heard over three days around September last year. The high court judges will publish their determination any day now. I am not optimistic about the outcome.
FedUpWithFaith
8th February 2012, 11:51 AM
Nice to see one area where US has Aussies beat.
Adenosine
8th February 2012, 11:57 AM
I love David Thorne. The Spider was my introduction to him. I have never laughed so hard.
borealis
8th February 2012, 02:37 PM
Oh yes. Read his blog several years ago, led there by the Spider, was in tears giggling several times.
FedUpWithFaith
9th February 2012, 06:48 AM
Can't resist posting this anywhere, anytime:
http://www.27bslash6.com/easter.html
OMG - Thank You!!!!!!!!!!
I have been reading this entire website and it's some of the funniest shit I've read in years. My sides are splitting. I've awoken the wife, startled my dogs into panic farting, and even pissed myself a little after which I took a forced prophylactic dump to prevent anything else I didn't want from suddenly appearing in my underpants from sudden spasmatic laughter.
http://www.27bslash6.com/easter.html
OMG - Thank You!!!!!!!!!!
I have been reading this entire website and it's some of the funniest shit I've read in years. My sides are splitting. I've awoken the wife, startled my dogs into panic farting, and even pissed myself a little after which I took a forced prophylactic dump to prevent anything else I didn't want from suddenly appearing in my underpants from sudden spasmatic laughter.
Adenosine
9th February 2012, 09:25 AM
Bloody hell. I rang the school to make an appointment to see the principal. While I was waiting by the phone all day for the call that never came, my daughter was put into the class where she was informed that she had a physical body and a soul. This, despite her saying that we wouldn't want her in there and asking that we be phoned to confirm. They didn't.
I'm not phoning for an appointment tomorrow, I'm just going in. I tried being polite and respectful...
I'm not phoning for an appointment tomorrow, I'm just going in. I tried being polite and respectful...
charlou
9th February 2012, 10:02 AM
I understand the angryness and that's probably good way to go into tackling the school ... But your daughter .. can I suggest (if you haven't already) talking with her and asking what she makes of it all?
Animavore was the catalyst for me changing how I react to religion as it directly affects my children. Up til then I was angry and protective at any religious encroachment on my children until he reminded me that having good humour about it is possibly the better way to tackle it.
It's overcoming fear, I guess ... not allowing religion to continue to hold sway beyond my already acknowledged rejection of it.
That's not to say religious encroachment should not be fought, but just to bear in mind how our own responses can also come across as dogmatic and based in emotion, rather than reason.
This is based on my own experience ... I could be way off wrt yours, Aden. In any case, still fully supportive of your concerns about the actions of the school.
Animavore was the catalyst for me changing how I react to religion as it directly affects my children. Up til then I was angry and protective at any religious encroachment on my children until he reminded me that having good humour about it is possibly the better way to tackle it.
It's overcoming fear, I guess ... not allowing religion to continue to hold sway beyond my already acknowledged rejection of it.
That's not to say religious encroachment should not be fought, but just to bear in mind how our own responses can also come across as dogmatic and based in emotion, rather than reason.
This is based on my own experience ... I could be way off wrt yours, Aden. In any case, still fully supportive of your concerns about the actions of the school.
Adenosine
9th February 2012, 10:08 AM
She was quite adamant that she didn't want to be in there. She is her own person and has her own reactions to it that don't always dovetail with ours and that is fine.
To me it is yet another example of the evangelical in-school happy clappers overstepping their bounds. It's an problem that, for us, goes back about six years. Systematic refusal to accept our wishes and underhanded preaching to our children.
We're vocal, but I imagine there are lots of parents who aren't, who don't think they can refuse to have their kids preached to.
To me it is yet another example of the evangelical in-school happy clappers overstepping their bounds. It's an problem that, for us, goes back about six years. Systematic refusal to accept our wishes and underhanded preaching to our children.
We're vocal, but I imagine there are lots of parents who aren't, who don't think they can refuse to have their kids preached to.
charlou
9th February 2012, 10:18 AM
To me it is yet another example of the evangelical in-school happy clappers overstepping their bounds. It's an problem that, for us, goes back about six years. Systematic refusal to accept our wishes and underhanded preaching to our children.
Ayeah ... Full on activism is the way to tackle it. If your daughter has her own views and is on board, all the better.
We're vocal, but I imagine there are lots of parents who aren't, who don't think they can refuse to have their kids preached to.
Is there a chance of getting a group of concerned parents/families together to talk about it?
Ayeah ... Full on activism is the way to tackle it. If your daughter has her own views and is on board, all the better.
We're vocal, but I imagine there are lots of parents who aren't, who don't think they can refuse to have their kids preached to.
Is there a chance of getting a group of concerned parents/families together to talk about it?
Adenosine
9th February 2012, 10:29 AM
To me it is yet another example of the evangelical in-school happy clappers overstepping their bounds. It's an problem that, for us, goes back about six years. Systematic refusal to accept our wishes and underhanded preaching to our children.
Ayeah ... Full on activism is the way to tackle it. If your daughter has her own views and is on board, all the better.
We're vocal, but I imagine there are lots of parents who aren't, who don't think they can refuse to have their kids preached to.
Is there a chance of getting a group of concerned parents/families together to talk about it?
I wouldn't know how to get hold of them. :dunno: I doubt if the school would allow me to put an item in their newsletter.
Ayeah ... Full on activism is the way to tackle it. If your daughter has her own views and is on board, all the better.
We're vocal, but I imagine there are lots of parents who aren't, who don't think they can refuse to have their kids preached to.
Is there a chance of getting a group of concerned parents/families together to talk about it?
I wouldn't know how to get hold of them. :dunno: I doubt if the school would allow me to put an item in their newsletter.
charlou
9th February 2012, 12:44 PM
To me it is yet another example of the evangelical in-school happy clappers overstepping their bounds. It's an problem that, for us, goes back about six years. Systematic refusal to accept our wishes and underhanded preaching to our children.
Ayeah ... Full on activism is the way to tackle it. If your daughter has her own views and is on board, all the better.
We're vocal, but I imagine there are lots of parents who aren't, who don't think they can refuse to have their kids preached to.
Is there a chance of getting a group of concerned parents/families together to talk about it?
I wouldn't know how to get hold of them. :dunno: I doubt if the school would allow me to put an item in their newsletter.
heh, not a state sanctioned agenda, secularism? The irony.
Still, start there and point out that if the school actively supports, promotes and provides a platform for the advocacy of one belief system, it should do so for all views.
Here's a view for them: Billy Connolly talks about suicide bombers = funny - YouTube
Ayeah ... Full on activism is the way to tackle it. If your daughter has her own views and is on board, all the better.
We're vocal, but I imagine there are lots of parents who aren't, who don't think they can refuse to have their kids preached to.
Is there a chance of getting a group of concerned parents/families together to talk about it?
I wouldn't know how to get hold of them. :dunno: I doubt if the school would allow me to put an item in their newsletter.
heh, not a state sanctioned agenda, secularism? The irony.
Still, start there and point out that if the school actively supports, promotes and provides a platform for the advocacy of one belief system, it should do so for all views.
Here's a view for them: Billy Connolly talks about suicide bombers = funny - YouTube
Adenosine
9th February 2012, 01:07 PM
I sent an email to the Australian Secular Lobby and received an awesome response. The school has breaches all over the place. I have a list of things to ask the principal.
Fake ETA: Billy Connelly is awesome.
Fake ETA: Billy Connelly is awesome.
nick
9th February 2012, 02:11 PM
Why don't you want your child to know about the forgiving love of the Lord Jesus Christ?
Is it not enough that you've damned yourself, you wish to damn your children as well?
Is it not enough that you've damned yourself, you wish to damn your children as well?
Jerome
9th February 2012, 02:17 PM
My 12 year old daughter brought a note home from her state school advising that the fucking Chaplain would be providing a forum in "Religious Education" for the grade 8's to discuss the big questions. Who am I? What am I here for? Where am I going?
The letter continues; "These issues may be discussed from a Christian perspective." No, really? By the Christian Chaplain? Who'd a thunk it?
I'm going in tomorrow and I'm tearing them a new asshole. I'm sick and fucking tired of fighting against Christian encroachment into state schools in the guise of religious "education".
Experiencing alternative view points is a good thing, it lets one know how and why other people think and why they may behave in certain ways.
The letter continues; "These issues may be discussed from a Christian perspective." No, really? By the Christian Chaplain? Who'd a thunk it?
I'm going in tomorrow and I'm tearing them a new asshole. I'm sick and fucking tired of fighting against Christian encroachment into state schools in the guise of religious "education".
Experiencing alternative view points is a good thing, it lets one know how and why other people think and why they may behave in certain ways.
Hermit
9th February 2012, 02:31 PM
Experiencing alternative view points is a good thing, it lets one know how and why other people think and why they may behave in certain ways.So true. We have religious studies for that sort of thing. Religious indoctrination has nothing to do with with "experiencing alternative view points." The latter is what Australia's National School Chaplaincy Program facilitates and abets in government-run schools. Our current "progressive" prime minister has financed our local fire and brimstone evangelists, who provide almost all the chaplains for the schools to the tune of $222 million in her most recent budget.
Jerome
9th February 2012, 02:50 PM
Well, if you are going to have State run schools you will have to accept the voters will in imposing the views of the majority on the rest of society.
Hermit
9th February 2012, 03:10 PM
Well, if you are going to have State run schools you will have to accept the voters will in imposing the views of the majority on the rest of society.
The National School Chaplaincy Program was never voted on. Voting a party in to form a government does not give it carte blanche.
The National School Chaplaincy Program was never voted on. Voting a party in to form a government does not give it carte blanche.
borealis
9th February 2012, 03:19 PM
Well, if you are going to have State run schools you will have to accept the voters will in imposing the views of the majority on the rest of society.
No you don't. State run schools in a social democracy need to consider the views of minorities as well. Canadian state run schools, excepting specifically religious schools, do not impose or allow specific religious proselytising in the schools. It's been that way since I was a kid, which is a very long time ago. Education is for everyone, and should not include religious brainwashing. That's for the churches, mosques, temples, etc., to do on their own time and with the permission/collusion of parents.
No you don't. State run schools in a social democracy need to consider the views of minorities as well. Canadian state run schools, excepting specifically religious schools, do not impose or allow specific religious proselytising in the schools. It's been that way since I was a kid, which is a very long time ago. Education is for everyone, and should not include religious brainwashing. That's for the churches, mosques, temples, etc., to do on their own time and with the permission/collusion of parents.
Jerome
9th February 2012, 03:20 PM
Well, if you are going to have State run schools you will have to accept the voters will in imposing the views of the majority on the rest of society.
The National School Chaplaincy Program was never voted on. Voting a party in to form a government does not give it carte blanche.
yeabut it does, when the people give soo much power to government then government has the ability to dictate to the people. It is all well and good when government is dictating your morals to others ...
The National School Chaplaincy Program was never voted on. Voting a party in to form a government does not give it carte blanche.
yeabut it does, when the people give soo much power to government then government has the ability to dictate to the people. It is all well and good when government is dictating your morals to others ...
Jerome
9th February 2012, 03:22 PM
Well, if you are going to have State run schools you will have to accept the voters will in imposing the views of the majority on the rest of society.
No you don't. State run schools in a social democracy need to consider the views of minorities as well. Canadian state run schools, excepting specifically religious schools, do not impose or allow specific religious proselytising in the schools. It's been that way since I was a kid, which is a very long time ago. Education is for everyone, and should not include religious brainwashing. That's for the churches, mosques, temples, etc., to do on their own time and with the permission/collusion of parents.
What about the minorities that don't believe in AGW, do you defend their right not to be brainwashed?
No you don't. State run schools in a social democracy need to consider the views of minorities as well. Canadian state run schools, excepting specifically religious schools, do not impose or allow specific religious proselytising in the schools. It's been that way since I was a kid, which is a very long time ago. Education is for everyone, and should not include religious brainwashing. That's for the churches, mosques, temples, etc., to do on their own time and with the permission/collusion of parents.
What about the minorities that don't believe in AGW, do you defend their right not to be brainwashed?
Hermit
9th February 2012, 03:29 PM
Well, if you are going to have State run schools you will have to accept the voters will in imposing the views of the majority on the rest of society.
The National School Chaplaincy Program was never voted on. Voting a party in to form a government does not give it carte blanche.
yeabut it does, when the people give soo much power to government then government has the ability to dictate to the people. It is all well and good when government is dictating your morals to others ...Crikey. Where have those goalposts gone? I swear they were around here just a few minutes ago.
The National School Chaplaincy Program was never voted on. Voting a party in to form a government does not give it carte blanche.
yeabut it does, when the people give soo much power to government then government has the ability to dictate to the people. It is all well and good when government is dictating your morals to others ...Crikey. Where have those goalposts gone? I swear they were around here just a few minutes ago.
Jerome
9th February 2012, 03:31 PM
:rolleyes:
borealis
9th February 2012, 03:38 PM
Well, if you are going to have State run schools you will have to accept the voters will in imposing the views of the majority on the rest of society.
No you don't. State run schools in a social democracy need to consider the views of minorities as well. Canadian state run schools, excepting specifically religious schools, do not impose or allow specific religious proselytising in the schools. It's been that way since I was a kid, which is a very long time ago. Education is for everyone, and should not include religious brainwashing. That's for the churches, mosques, temples, etc., to do on their own time and with the permission/collusion of parents.
What about the minorities that don't believe in AGW, do you defend their right not to be brainwashed?
I don't know about your schools, but ours present science without turning it into a religion. You have to understand that your own country is fucking weird, Jerome. We don't, for example, take a film made by a politician and present it in our schools as science, whether a majority agree with that politician or not.
No you don't. State run schools in a social democracy need to consider the views of minorities as well. Canadian state run schools, excepting specifically religious schools, do not impose or allow specific religious proselytising in the schools. It's been that way since I was a kid, which is a very long time ago. Education is for everyone, and should not include religious brainwashing. That's for the churches, mosques, temples, etc., to do on their own time and with the permission/collusion of parents.
What about the minorities that don't believe in AGW, do you defend their right not to be brainwashed?
I don't know about your schools, but ours present science without turning it into a religion. You have to understand that your own country is fucking weird, Jerome. We don't, for example, take a film made by a politician and present it in our schools as science, whether a majority agree with that politician or not.
gib
9th February 2012, 07:56 PM
I understand the angryness and that's probably good way to go into tackling the school ... But your daughter .. can I suggest (if you haven't already) talking with her and asking what she makes of it all?
Animavore was the catalyst for me changing how I react to religion as it directly affects my children. Up til then I was angry and protective at any religious encroachment on my children until he reminded me that having good humour about it is possibly the better way to tackle it.
It's overcoming fear, I guess ... not allowing religion to continue to hold sway beyond my already acknowledged rejection of it.
That's not to say religious encroachment should not be fought, but just to bear in mind how our own responses can also come across as dogmatic and based in emotion, rather than reason.
This is based on my own experience ... I could be way off wrt yours, Aden. In any case, still fully supportive of your concerns about the actions of the school.
wait Ani said something sensible wtf
Animavore was the catalyst for me changing how I react to religion as it directly affects my children. Up til then I was angry and protective at any religious encroachment on my children until he reminded me that having good humour about it is possibly the better way to tackle it.
It's overcoming fear, I guess ... not allowing religion to continue to hold sway beyond my already acknowledged rejection of it.
That's not to say religious encroachment should not be fought, but just to bear in mind how our own responses can also come across as dogmatic and based in emotion, rather than reason.
This is based on my own experience ... I could be way off wrt yours, Aden. In any case, still fully supportive of your concerns about the actions of the school.
wait Ani said something sensible wtf
Adenosine
9th February 2012, 08:35 PM
Why don't you want your child to know about the forgiving love of the Lord Jesus Christ?
Is it not enough that you've damned yourself, you wish to damn your children as well?
I've already explained his tender mercies, killing a fig tree because it was out of season, killing a herd of pigs with a "demon" and setting up 2000 years of guilt.
My 12 year old daughter brought a note home from her state school advising that the fucking Chaplain would be providing a forum in "Religious Education" for the grade 8's to discuss the big questions. Who am I? What am I here for? Where am I going?
The letter continues; "These issues may be discussed from a Christian perspective." No, really? By the Christian Chaplain? Who'd a thunk it?
I'm going in tomorrow and I'm tearing them a new asshole. I'm sick and fucking tired of fighting against Christian encroachment into state schools in the guise of religious "education".
Experiencing alternative view points is a good thing, it lets one know how and why other people think and why they may behave in certain ways.
I have already taught my children about the majority of the world's religions. And I will continue to do so.
But, as Seraph said, this isn't religious education, it's religion indoctrination.
Anyway, it turns out that the principal and Chaplain broke all sorts of rules so I'll be having it out with them today.
Is it not enough that you've damned yourself, you wish to damn your children as well?
I've already explained his tender mercies, killing a fig tree because it was out of season, killing a herd of pigs with a "demon" and setting up 2000 years of guilt.
My 12 year old daughter brought a note home from her state school advising that the fucking Chaplain would be providing a forum in "Religious Education" for the grade 8's to discuss the big questions. Who am I? What am I here for? Where am I going?
The letter continues; "These issues may be discussed from a Christian perspective." No, really? By the Christian Chaplain? Who'd a thunk it?
I'm going in tomorrow and I'm tearing them a new asshole. I'm sick and fucking tired of fighting against Christian encroachment into state schools in the guise of religious "education".
Experiencing alternative view points is a good thing, it lets one know how and why other people think and why they may behave in certain ways.
I have already taught my children about the majority of the world's religions. And I will continue to do so.
But, as Seraph said, this isn't religious education, it's religion indoctrination.
Anyway, it turns out that the principal and Chaplain broke all sorts of rules so I'll be having it out with them today.
Jerome
9th February 2012, 08:57 PM
I take it you are against the State indoctrinating children outside of the parents' beliefs?
Adenosine
9th February 2012, 08:58 PM
I take it you are against the State indoctrinating children outside of the parents' beliefs?
Only in matters of religion, myth and fable. Science is fine. :p
Only in matters of religion, myth and fable. Science is fine. :p
borealis
9th February 2012, 09:07 PM
I take it you are against the State indoctrinating children outside of the parents' beliefs?
Did you know that teaching and indoctrinating have different meanings?
Did you know that teaching and indoctrinating have different meanings?
Jerome
9th February 2012, 09:12 PM
I sure do. The question is should State schools be doing anything outside of teaching? Any social issue the State schools present to children will be seen by some minority view as indoctrination.
Jerome
9th February 2012, 09:14 PM
Aden, don't worry so much, with a father like you I am certain that your child will have no trouble discerning, no matter what sort of information is presented.
:thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
Adenosine
9th February 2012, 09:17 PM
I sure do. The question is should State schools be doing anything outside of teaching? Any social issue the State schools present to children will be seen by some minority view as indoctrination.
Does that mean then that some science needs to be left out of the curriculum because it could be classified as a "social issue"? That leaves a lot of human biology out. What about English? Should some topics not be covered in literature? Same sex couples? Teen pregnancies?
Does that mean then that some science needs to be left out of the curriculum because it could be classified as a "social issue"? That leaves a lot of human biology out. What about English? Should some topics not be covered in literature? Same sex couples? Teen pregnancies?
Dan B
9th February 2012, 09:23 PM
Got my new sig. Thanks.
Jerome
9th February 2012, 10:33 PM
I sure do. The question is should State schools be doing anything outside of teaching? Any social issue the State schools present to children will be seen by some minority view as indoctrination.
Does that mean then that some science needs to be left out of the curriculum because it could be classified as a "social issue"? That leaves a lot of human biology out. What about English? Should some topics not be covered in literature? Same sex couples? Teen pregnancies?
Again, people want the State to teach to their values, it is always OK when your values are imposed upon the minority, people only get upset when it is their values which are undercut.
Once you allow the State to dictate values, no complaining when the State is not dictating your values.
Does that mean then that some science needs to be left out of the curriculum because it could be classified as a "social issue"? That leaves a lot of human biology out. What about English? Should some topics not be covered in literature? Same sex couples? Teen pregnancies?
Again, people want the State to teach to their values, it is always OK when your values are imposed upon the minority, people only get upset when it is their values which are undercut.
Once you allow the State to dictate values, no complaining when the State is not dictating your values.
Cunt
10th February 2012, 05:30 AM
My 12 year old daughter brought a note home from her state school advising that the fucking Chaplain would be providing a forum in "Religious Education" for the grade 8's to discuss the big questions. Who am I? What am I here for? Where am I going?
The letter continues; "These issues may be discussed from a Christian perspective." No, really? By the Christian Chaplain? Who'd a thunk it?
I'm going in tomorrow and I'm tearing them a new asshole. I'm sick and fucking tired of fighting against Christian encroachment into state schools in the guise of religious "education".
FUCK I wish I could be a fly on the wall :)
Any chance you will YOUTUBE it?
The letter continues; "These issues may be discussed from a Christian perspective." No, really? By the Christian Chaplain? Who'd a thunk it?
I'm going in tomorrow and I'm tearing them a new asshole. I'm sick and fucking tired of fighting against Christian encroachment into state schools in the guise of religious "education".
FUCK I wish I could be a fly on the wall :)
Any chance you will YOUTUBE it?
Adenosine
10th February 2012, 05:43 AM
He apologised. Profusely. Before I even got my rant on he apologised profusely, explained that he had now looked up the requisite legislation, promised it would never happen again, promised to review the school procedures. Promised the Chaplain would never go near my kids.
I hate it when that happens. :D
I hate it when that happens. :D
charlou
10th February 2012, 07:05 AM
Sometimes having the wind taken out of ones sails is a good thing. :D
Now to tackle the bigger issue ...
Now to tackle the bigger issue ...
Grumps
10th February 2012, 08:18 AM
To me it is yet another example of the evangelical in-school happy clappers overstepping their bounds. It's an problem that, for us, goes back about six years. Systematic refusal to accept our wishes and underhanded preaching to our children.
Ayeah ... Full on activism is the way to tackle it. If your daughter has her own views and is on board, all the better.
We're vocal, but I imagine there are lots of parents who aren't, who don't think they can refuse to have their kids preached to.
Is there a chance of getting a group of concerned parents/families together to talk about it?
"Think of the children!" has never been more hilarious.
Ayeah ... Full on activism is the way to tackle it. If your daughter has her own views and is on board, all the better.
We're vocal, but I imagine there are lots of parents who aren't, who don't think they can refuse to have their kids preached to.
Is there a chance of getting a group of concerned parents/families together to talk about it?
"Think of the children!" has never been more hilarious.
borealis
10th February 2012, 12:28 PM
He apologised. Profusely. Before I even got my rant on he apologised profusely, explained that he had now looked up the requisite legislation, promised it would never happen again, promised to review the school procedures. Promised the Chaplain would never go near my kids.
I hate it when that happens. :D
You may have missed out on your rant, but you accomplished quite a lot. The man is now well aware that people are not willing to be utterly passive about 'tradition' in the schools. He's had to get off his ass and study up on what the actual laws and rules are, so the next parent doesn't have go into his office to deal with this crap. And your daughter doesn't have to be put in an uncomfortable situation over this. Well done, I'd say. :yes:
I hate it when that happens. :D
You may have missed out on your rant, but you accomplished quite a lot. The man is now well aware that people are not willing to be utterly passive about 'tradition' in the schools. He's had to get off his ass and study up on what the actual laws and rules are, so the next parent doesn't have go into his office to deal with this crap. And your daughter doesn't have to be put in an uncomfortable situation over this. Well done, I'd say. :yes:
Adenosine
10th February 2012, 12:33 PM
Thank you, thank you very much. I do count it as a win. But I'm also looking at more long term action, getting on the Local Chaplain Committee for one.
Cunt
10th February 2012, 02:18 PM
do you mean offering to be a chaplain?Ithink you would do a good job :)
Adenosine
22nd February 2012, 10:54 AM
do you mean offering to be a chaplain?Ithink you would do a good job :)
Thanks but it turns out I can't be a Chaplain. Not Christian enough. :hehe:
What I can do is get on the oversight committee. Legally they have to have representatives from each faith or non-faith that is present in the school community. I have asked who the atheist representative is. By next week I should be able to report that it is me.
Anyway, the big news is that I sent a follow up email a week ago and received a response tonight. The RI program has been suspended while the principal brings the school up to code. Considering that there are 1200 students at the school that's a lot of records that need to be examined and a lot of parents that need to be contacted about their RI choices.
That is a win.
Thanks but it turns out I can't be a Chaplain. Not Christian enough. :hehe:
What I can do is get on the oversight committee. Legally they have to have representatives from each faith or non-faith that is present in the school community. I have asked who the atheist representative is. By next week I should be able to report that it is me.
Anyway, the big news is that I sent a follow up email a week ago and received a response tonight. The RI program has been suspended while the principal brings the school up to code. Considering that there are 1200 students at the school that's a lot of records that need to be examined and a lot of parents that need to be contacted about their RI choices.
That is a win.
Cunt
22nd February 2012, 02:06 PM
Woo hoo !!! Kick their ass!
Oh, and stand in as chaplain. Seriously. Can't you go as a member of the church of the flying spaghetti monster?
Oh, and stand in as chaplain. Seriously. Can't you go as a member of the church of the flying spaghetti monster?
Adenosine
22nd February 2012, 02:07 PM
Only if there are Pastafarian students. Give me half an hour with the whole school and there will be hundreds. :rofl:
Cunt
23rd February 2012, 04:50 PM
I fucking DARE you!!!
borealis
23rd February 2012, 05:59 PM
Adenosine, you monster. You know the cute and benevolent appearing FSM is just a mask for....
http://suvudu.com/files/mt-files/Cthulhu.jpg
http://suvudu.com/files/mt-files/Cthulhu.jpg
Adenosine
23rd February 2012, 09:34 PM
He's way cooler than Jehovah. :colbert:
Mr. Mellow
24th February 2012, 01:17 AM
Well done. I wonder, for every time someone like you catches this shit, how many others slip under the radar.
PermanentlyEphemeral
24th February 2012, 01:32 AM
Well, if you are going to have State run schools you will have to accept the voters will in imposing the views of the majority on the rest of society.
No you don't. State run schools in a social democracy need to consider the views of minorities as well. Canadian state run schools, excepting specifically religious schools, do not impose or allow specific religious proselytising in the schools. It's been that way since I was a kid, which is a very long time ago. Education is for everyone, and should not include religious brainwashing. That's for the churches, mosques, temples, etc., to do on their own time and with the permission/collusion of parents.
What about the minorities that don't believe in AGW, do you defend their right not to be brainwashed?
Show some evidence for the existence of God, and we can talk.
Or show in non-imaginary terms why the AGW people are wrong.
No you don't. State run schools in a social democracy need to consider the views of minorities as well. Canadian state run schools, excepting specifically religious schools, do not impose or allow specific religious proselytising in the schools. It's been that way since I was a kid, which is a very long time ago. Education is for everyone, and should not include religious brainwashing. That's for the churches, mosques, temples, etc., to do on their own time and with the permission/collusion of parents.
What about the minorities that don't believe in AGW, do you defend their right not to be brainwashed?
Show some evidence for the existence of God, and we can talk.
Or show in non-imaginary terms why the AGW people are wrong.
PermanentlyEphemeral
24th February 2012, 01:41 AM
I take it you are against the State indoctrinating children outside of the parents' beliefs?
Evidence, try it sometime.
Evidence, try it sometime.
PermanentlyEphemeral
24th February 2012, 01:42 AM
I sure do. The question is should State schools be doing anything outside of teaching? Any social issue the State schools present to children will be seen by some minority view as indoctrination.
Does that mean then that some science needs to be left out of the curriculum because it could be classified as a "social issue"? That leaves a lot of human biology out. What about English? Should some topics not be covered in literature? Same sex couples? Teen pregnancies?
Again, people want the State to teach to their values, it is always OK when your values are imposed upon the minority, people only get upset when it is their values which are undercut.
Once you allow the State to dictate values, no complaining when the State is not dictating your values.
Gravity is not a value.
Does that mean then that some science needs to be left out of the curriculum because it could be classified as a "social issue"? That leaves a lot of human biology out. What about English? Should some topics not be covered in literature? Same sex couples? Teen pregnancies?
Again, people want the State to teach to their values, it is always OK when your values are imposed upon the minority, people only get upset when it is their values which are undercut.
Once you allow the State to dictate values, no complaining when the State is not dictating your values.
Gravity is not a value.
Jerome
24th February 2012, 01:42 AM
Show some evidence for the existence of God, and we can talk.
Or show in non-imaginary terms why the AGW people are wrong.
Show evidence of AGW. The data is currently not even supporting the warming part of the theory.
Just a few weeks ago, Britain's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research added more fuel to the fire with its latest calculations of global average temperatures. According to the Hadley figures, the world grew warmer by 0.07 degrees Celsius from 1999 to 2008 and not by the 0.2 degrees Celsius assumed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. And, say the British experts, when their figure is adjusted for two naturally occurring climate phenomena, El Niño and La Niña, the resulting temperature trend is reduced to 0.0 degrees Celsius -- in other words, a standstill.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html
Or show in non-imaginary terms why the AGW people are wrong.
Show evidence of AGW. The data is currently not even supporting the warming part of the theory.
Just a few weeks ago, Britain's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research added more fuel to the fire with its latest calculations of global average temperatures. According to the Hadley figures, the world grew warmer by 0.07 degrees Celsius from 1999 to 2008 and not by the 0.2 degrees Celsius assumed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. And, say the British experts, when their figure is adjusted for two naturally occurring climate phenomena, El Niño and La Niña, the resulting temperature trend is reduced to 0.0 degrees Celsius -- in other words, a standstill.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html
Cunt
24th February 2012, 01:45 AM
Gravity is not a value.
Fuck that shit, I have SEEN gravity = 'G', motherfucker.
Fuck that shit, I have SEEN gravity = 'G', motherfucker.
PermanentlyEphemeral
24th February 2012, 01:46 AM
Show some evidence for the existence of God, and we can talk.
Or show in non-imaginary terms why the AGW people are wrong.
Show evidence of AGW. The data is currently not even supporting the warming part of the theory.
Just a few weeks ago, Britain's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research added more fuel to the fire with its latest calculations of global average temperatures. According to the Hadley figures, the world grew warmer by 0.07 degrees Celsius from 1999 to 2008 and not by the 0.2 degrees Celsius assumed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. And, say the British experts, when their figure is adjusted for two naturally occurring climate phenomena, El Niño and La Niña, the resulting temperature trend is reduced to 0.0 degrees Celsius -- in other words, a standstill.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html
Look at the real data not the perverted data from that newspaper you like.
Why is it that the deniers only use about 1% of the information out there?
Or show in non-imaginary terms why the AGW people are wrong.
Show evidence of AGW. The data is currently not even supporting the warming part of the theory.
Just a few weeks ago, Britain's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research added more fuel to the fire with its latest calculations of global average temperatures. According to the Hadley figures, the world grew warmer by 0.07 degrees Celsius from 1999 to 2008 and not by the 0.2 degrees Celsius assumed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. And, say the British experts, when their figure is adjusted for two naturally occurring climate phenomena, El Niño and La Niña, the resulting temperature trend is reduced to 0.0 degrees Celsius -- in other words, a standstill.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html
Look at the real data not the perverted data from that newspaper you like.
Why is it that the deniers only use about 1% of the information out there?
Jerome
24th February 2012, 01:48 AM
Britain's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research is not a newspaper.
Sorry bub, but the data does not support the theory, now in honest science the theory is revised.
Sorry bub, but the data does not support the theory, now in honest science the theory is revised.
Jerome
24th February 2012, 01:50 AM
Here is another climatologist for you:
The planet's temperature curve rose sharply for almost 30 years, as global temperatures increased by an average of 0.7 degrees Celsius (1.25 degrees Fahrenheit) from the 1970s to the late 1990s. "At present, however, the warming is taking a break," confirms meteorologist Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences in the northern German city of Kiel. Latif, one of Germany's best-known climatologists, says that the temperature curve has reached a plateau. "There can be no argument about that," he says. "We have to face that fact."
The planet's temperature curve rose sharply for almost 30 years, as global temperatures increased by an average of 0.7 degrees Celsius (1.25 degrees Fahrenheit) from the 1970s to the late 1990s. "At present, however, the warming is taking a break," confirms meteorologist Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences in the northern German city of Kiel. Latif, one of Germany's best-known climatologists, says that the temperature curve has reached a plateau. "There can be no argument about that," he says. "We have to face that fact."
Jerome
24th February 2012, 11:22 PM
Where did everyone go? Too much evidence for you?
Reconciling anthropogenic climate change with observed temperature 1998–2008
Robert K. Kaufmanna,1, Heikki Kauppib, Michael L. Manna, and James H. StockcaDepartment of Geography and Environment, Center for Energy and Environmental Studies, Boston University, 675 Commonwealth Avenue (Room 457),Boston, MA 02215; bDepartment of Economics, University of Turku, FI-20014, Turku, Finland; and cDepartment of Economics,Harvard University, 1805 Cambridge Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
Given the widely noted increase in the warming effects of rising
greenhouse gas concentrations, it has been unclear why global
surface temperatures did not rise between 1998 and 2008. We find
that this hiatus in warming coincides with a period of little increase
in the sum of anthropogenic and natural forcings. Declining solar
insolation as part of a normal eleven-year cycle, and a cyclical
change from an El Nino to a La Nina dominate our measure of
anthropogenic effects because rapid growth in short-lived sulfur
emissions partially offsets rising greenhouse gas concentrations.
As such, we find that recent global temperature records are consistent
with the existing understanding of the relationship among
global surface temperature, internal variability, and radiative
forcing, which includes anthropogenic factors with well known
warming and cooling effects.
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/pnas-1998-2008.pdf?mobile=nc
Reconciling anthropogenic climate change with observed temperature 1998–2008
Robert K. Kaufmanna,1, Heikki Kauppib, Michael L. Manna, and James H. StockcaDepartment of Geography and Environment, Center for Energy and Environmental Studies, Boston University, 675 Commonwealth Avenue (Room 457),Boston, MA 02215; bDepartment of Economics, University of Turku, FI-20014, Turku, Finland; and cDepartment of Economics,Harvard University, 1805 Cambridge Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
Given the widely noted increase in the warming effects of rising
greenhouse gas concentrations, it has been unclear why global
surface temperatures did not rise between 1998 and 2008. We find
that this hiatus in warming coincides with a period of little increase
in the sum of anthropogenic and natural forcings. Declining solar
insolation as part of a normal eleven-year cycle, and a cyclical
change from an El Nino to a La Nina dominate our measure of
anthropogenic effects because rapid growth in short-lived sulfur
emissions partially offsets rising greenhouse gas concentrations.
As such, we find that recent global temperature records are consistent
with the existing understanding of the relationship among
global surface temperature, internal variability, and radiative
forcing, which includes anthropogenic factors with well known
warming and cooling effects.
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/pnas-1998-2008.pdf?mobile=nc
Cunt
25th February 2012, 12:16 AM
Two questions...sorry if you answered them, i have missed a page or two...
1. What evidence would convince you that you are wrong?
2. What is it that you think you are right about here?
1. What evidence would convince you that you are wrong?
2. What is it that you think you are right about here?
Jerome
25th February 2012, 12:22 AM
those questions are the refuse, ask better and i will answer.
Cunt
25th February 2012, 12:33 AM
I don't Even know what you are trying to prove with all this "evidence", so nevermind.
Jerome
25th February 2012, 12:44 AM
only that it is a bad idea to use mandatory reforming centers
Cunt
25th February 2012, 01:15 AM
Sense: you don't seem to know how to make any
Jerome
25th February 2012, 01:26 AM
that is your deficiency
Cunt
25th February 2012, 02:39 AM
Look, you are presenting lots of evidence in a thread about school religion involvement. All your 'evidence' seems to be about weather. I don't get it. You want me to understand, have a go at understanding my questions. Or how about this one:
What position are you presenting evidence to support?
What position are you presenting evidence to support?
Jerome
25th February 2012, 03:16 AM
Hey, the last decade has not increased in temperature, and respected scientists/climatologists are trying to figure out how that fits the global warming theory.
So, how do you Cunt, justify teaching to children what is still debated science?
So, how do you Cunt, justify teaching to children what is still debated science?
oblivion
25th February 2012, 03:20 AM
Jerome, maybe someone will discuss climate change with you if you start a thread on the topic. People were still talking about church state separation in this thread.
Jerome
25th February 2012, 03:35 AM
Climate change was brought up as an example of church/state teaching to the children.
oblivion
25th February 2012, 03:46 AM
Well, if you are going to have State run schools you will have to accept the voters will in imposing the views of the majority on the rest of society.
No you don't. State run schools in a social democracy need to consider the views of minorities as well. Canadian state run schools, excepting specifically religious schools, do not impose or allow specific religious proselytising in the schools. It's been that way since I was a kid, which is a very long time ago. Education is for everyone, and should not include religious brainwashing. That's for the churches, mosques, temples, etc., to do on their own time and with the permission/collusion of parents.
What about the minorities that don't believe in AGW, do you defend their right not to be brainwashed?
Yes. here. by you. And that's all I have to say.
No you don't. State run schools in a social democracy need to consider the views of minorities as well. Canadian state run schools, excepting specifically religious schools, do not impose or allow specific religious proselytising in the schools. It's been that way since I was a kid, which is a very long time ago. Education is for everyone, and should not include religious brainwashing. That's for the churches, mosques, temples, etc., to do on their own time and with the permission/collusion of parents.
What about the minorities that don't believe in AGW, do you defend their right not to be brainwashed?
Yes. here. by you. And that's all I have to say.
Jerome
25th February 2012, 04:09 AM
Exactly, which religions are acceptable to be taught.
Cunt
25th February 2012, 04:19 AM
Hey, the last decade has not increased in temperature, and respected scientists/climatologists are trying to figure out how that fits the global warming theory.
So, how do you Cunt, justify teaching to children what is still debated science?
How do you, JEROME DA GNOME, justify making mushy points about a subject which may or may not be taught to children in my area, where I may or may not have children attending, and may or may not give a shit about?
So, how do you Cunt, justify teaching to children what is still debated science?
How do you, JEROME DA GNOME, justify making mushy points about a subject which may or may not be taught to children in my area, where I may or may not have children attending, and may or may not give a shit about?
Supernaut
25th February 2012, 06:40 AM
He's way cooler than Jehovah. :colbert:
Fuck yeah he is!
Fuck yeah he is!
borealis
25th February 2012, 04:08 PM
Climate change was brought up as an example of church/state teaching to the children.
Jerome, afaict, you are one of those individuals who are so fearful of being scammed by reality that you run the other direction and assume that conspiracy theories must be the real deal. Guess what: chem trails are just airplane engine exhausts, not evil government chemical/biological attacks on an innocent population. Guess what: the minority claiming climate change doesn't happen don't know what they're talking about, which you would know if you spent the time you spend trying to find a defense for your devil's advocacy actually studying legitimate science sources about climate change.
You're derailing a thread about religion/secularism in schools with conspiracy theory nonsense, which in no way helps your argument, whatever that argument is, which is hard to identify once you've brought in material from clearly messed up sources.
Start a climate change thread. Find a way to defend your point in this thread without throwing in a bunch of stuff you clearly don't understand. There's nothing wrong with not understanding or not being educated in a particular field. I'm sure you could tell me 500 things you know that I don't. But it's impossible for people to take you seriously when come off as a conspiracy buff.
ETA: Al Gore is not a climatologist. American ideas of educating kids in science by showing them movies made by politicians is as insane as forcing religion down their throats in school. Afaict, Americans love feeding canned bunk to school kids. See Texas.
fake ETA2: You have children in school. Do you even know what they're being taught?
Jerome, afaict, you are one of those individuals who are so fearful of being scammed by reality that you run the other direction and assume that conspiracy theories must be the real deal. Guess what: chem trails are just airplane engine exhausts, not evil government chemical/biological attacks on an innocent population. Guess what: the minority claiming climate change doesn't happen don't know what they're talking about, which you would know if you spent the time you spend trying to find a defense for your devil's advocacy actually studying legitimate science sources about climate change.
You're derailing a thread about religion/secularism in schools with conspiracy theory nonsense, which in no way helps your argument, whatever that argument is, which is hard to identify once you've brought in material from clearly messed up sources.
Start a climate change thread. Find a way to defend your point in this thread without throwing in a bunch of stuff you clearly don't understand. There's nothing wrong with not understanding or not being educated in a particular field. I'm sure you could tell me 500 things you know that I don't. But it's impossible for people to take you seriously when come off as a conspiracy buff.
ETA: Al Gore is not a climatologist. American ideas of educating kids in science by showing them movies made by politicians is as insane as forcing religion down their throats in school. Afaict, Americans love feeding canned bunk to school kids. See Texas.
fake ETA2: You have children in school. Do you even know what they're being taught?
Jerome
25th February 2012, 07:03 PM
Reconciling anthropogenic climate change with observed temperature 1998–2008
Robert K. Kaufmanna,1, Heikki Kauppib, Michael L. Manna, and James H. StockcaDepartment of Geography and Environment, Center for Energy and Environmental Studies, Boston University, 675 Commonwealth Avenue (Room 457),Boston, MA 02215; bDepartment of Economics, University of Turku, FI-20014, Turku, Finland; and cDepartment of Economics,Harvard University, 1805 Cambridge Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
Given the widely noted increase in the warming effects of rising
greenhouse gas concentrations, it has been unclear why global
surface temperatures did not rise between 1998 and 2008. We find
that this hiatus in warming coincides with a period of little increase
in the sum of anthropogenic and natural forcings. Declining solar
insolation as part of a normal eleven-year cycle, and a cyclical
change from an El Nino to a La Nina dominate our measure of
anthropogenic effects because rapid growth in short-lived sulfur
emissions partially offsets rising greenhouse gas concentrations.
As such, we find that recent global temperature records are consistent
with the existing understanding of the relationship among
global surface temperature, internal variability, and radiative
forcing, which includes anthropogenic factors with well known
warming and cooling effects.
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/pnas-1998-2008.pdf?mobile=nc
Guess what: the minority claiming climate change doesn't happen don't know what they're talking about, which you would know if you spent the time you spend trying to find a defense for your devil's advocacy actually studying legitimate science sources about climate change.
How did you make the determination that the paper at the link I posted is not legitimate?
Robert K. Kaufmanna,1, Heikki Kauppib, Michael L. Manna, and James H. StockcaDepartment of Geography and Environment, Center for Energy and Environmental Studies, Boston University, 675 Commonwealth Avenue (Room 457),Boston, MA 02215; bDepartment of Economics, University of Turku, FI-20014, Turku, Finland; and cDepartment of Economics,Harvard University, 1805 Cambridge Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
Given the widely noted increase in the warming effects of rising
greenhouse gas concentrations, it has been unclear why global
surface temperatures did not rise between 1998 and 2008. We find
that this hiatus in warming coincides with a period of little increase
in the sum of anthropogenic and natural forcings. Declining solar
insolation as part of a normal eleven-year cycle, and a cyclical
change from an El Nino to a La Nina dominate our measure of
anthropogenic effects because rapid growth in short-lived sulfur
emissions partially offsets rising greenhouse gas concentrations.
As such, we find that recent global temperature records are consistent
with the existing understanding of the relationship among
global surface temperature, internal variability, and radiative
forcing, which includes anthropogenic factors with well known
warming and cooling effects.
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/pnas-1998-2008.pdf?mobile=nc
Guess what: the minority claiming climate change doesn't happen don't know what they're talking about, which you would know if you spent the time you spend trying to find a defense for your devil's advocacy actually studying legitimate science sources about climate change.
How did you make the determination that the paper at the link I posted is not legitimate?
Jerome
25th February 2012, 07:13 PM
Do you even know what they're being taught?
I certainly do, but I have always held the view that I as their parent was responsible for their learning, not the state. Guess what, I don't fear my children learning all sorts of things, there is practically nothing that I think they should not be exposed to. Ohh, and guess what, I have school books and history books from the turn of the century, so they get to learn recent reports of history as opposed to the propaganda of history taught today. Old books are good, with the new e-books which can be changed at a whim you are exactly entering into Orwell's 1984.
The point I am making about the OP is that there is always going to be things taught in state run schools which is for the purpose of state propaganda. Getting pissed about propaganda you don't like whilst shitting on those that complain about the propaganda you do like is hypocritical.
I certainly do, but I have always held the view that I as their parent was responsible for their learning, not the state. Guess what, I don't fear my children learning all sorts of things, there is practically nothing that I think they should not be exposed to. Ohh, and guess what, I have school books and history books from the turn of the century, so they get to learn recent reports of history as opposed to the propaganda of history taught today. Old books are good, with the new e-books which can be changed at a whim you are exactly entering into Orwell's 1984.
The point I am making about the OP is that there is always going to be things taught in state run schools which is for the purpose of state propaganda. Getting pissed about propaganda you don't like whilst shitting on those that complain about the propaganda you do like is hypocritical.
Jerome
25th February 2012, 07:15 PM
please contact and let him know you think he is an illegitimate source for climate science.
Robert K. Kaufmann
http://www.bu.edu/geography/files/images/kaufmann.jpgDirector of Graduate Studies, Center for Energy and Environmental Studies
Professor, Geography and Environment and Center for Energy and Environmental Studies
PhD, University of Pennsylvania, 1988
Areas of interest: World oil markets, global climate change, and ecological economics
Phone: 617-353-3940
Fax: 617-353-5986
E-mail: kaufmann@bu.edu
Office: STO Room 463, Center for Energy and Environmental Studies
675 Commonwealth Avenue, 4th Floor
Boston, MA 02215, USA
http://www.bu.edu/geography/people/faculty/kaufmann/
Robert K. Kaufmann
http://www.bu.edu/geography/files/images/kaufmann.jpgDirector of Graduate Studies, Center for Energy and Environmental Studies
Professor, Geography and Environment and Center for Energy and Environmental Studies
PhD, University of Pennsylvania, 1988
Areas of interest: World oil markets, global climate change, and ecological economics
Phone: 617-353-3940
Fax: 617-353-5986
E-mail: kaufmann@bu.edu
Office: STO Room 463, Center for Energy and Environmental Studies
675 Commonwealth Avenue, 4th Floor
Boston, MA 02215, USA
http://www.bu.edu/geography/people/faculty/kaufmann/
Jerome
25th February 2012, 07:22 PM
Guess what: chem trails are just airplane engine exhausts, not evil government chemical/biological attacks on an innocent population.
That is for weather modification.
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=3630950
http://www.google.com/patents/US3630950?printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false
That is for weather modification.
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=3630950
http://www.google.com/patents/US3630950?printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false
Brother Daniel
25th February 2012, 09:17 PM
Guess what: the minority claiming climate change doesn't happen don't know what they're talking about, which you would know if you spent the time you spend trying to find a defense for your devil's advocacy actually studying legitimate science sources about climate change.
How did you make the determination that the paper at the link I posted is not legitimate?
In this particular instance, the point isn't so much that the paper isn't legitimate, but rather that you haven't thought clearly about how it fits into the bigger picture. You're letting your conspiracy theorist masters tell you which sentences to highlight out of real scientific papers.
How did you make the determination that the paper at the link I posted is not legitimate?
In this particular instance, the point isn't so much that the paper isn't legitimate, but rather that you haven't thought clearly about how it fits into the bigger picture. You're letting your conspiracy theorist masters tell you which sentences to highlight out of real scientific papers.
Jerome
25th February 2012, 10:25 PM
The fact is the religion of anthropogenic global warming is scrambling to try to figure out how deal with the fact that global temperature stopped warming over the last decade.
This is the same as when that religious freak just recently predicted the end of the world and it didn't happen.
Again, if you don't want religion in your schools don't advocate for state run schools as it is too tempting for the elite class to use the schools to foster a religion bestowed upon the masses so that they can be more easily controlled.
This is the same as when that religious freak just recently predicted the end of the world and it didn't happen.
Again, if you don't want religion in your schools don't advocate for state run schools as it is too tempting for the elite class to use the schools to foster a religion bestowed upon the masses so that they can be more easily controlled.
Jerome
25th February 2012, 10:27 PM
If one is inclined, one can educate oneself on the history and purpose of state run schools.
Cunt
25th February 2012, 10:30 PM
You aren't convincing me of anything with this, JEROME DA GNOME. I still think it's wrong to allow religious influence in a school where it has been specifically forbidden.
My guess is that you are simply obsessed with global warming theories and can't abandon the subject.
Start a thread about that. Make your case. If it is a good one, you may change minds.
Keep pissing and moaning here, and you are (to me) just sounding like a crackpot.
My guess is that you are simply obsessed with global warming theories and can't abandon the subject.
Start a thread about that. Make your case. If it is a good one, you may change minds.
Keep pissing and moaning here, and you are (to me) just sounding like a crackpot.
Jerome
25th February 2012, 10:35 PM
The purpose of state schools is to create a class of 'just knowledgeable enough' workers for the elite that learn to be regimented and obedient.
Religion acts in the same manner.
Religion acts in the same manner.
borealis
25th February 2012, 11:43 PM
The purpose of state schools is to create a class of 'just knowledgeable enough' workers for the elite that learn to be regimented and obedient.
Religion acts in the same manner.
Then you have stupid state schools and you should be advocating for better state schools so your country is forced to quit creating that class of people whose lives are chained to whatever the rich want it chained to.
Other countries don't all treat education that way.
Also, don't be so confident that older history texts are more honest. They usually were not.
Religion acts in the same manner.
Then you have stupid state schools and you should be advocating for better state schools so your country is forced to quit creating that class of people whose lives are chained to whatever the rich want it chained to.
Other countries don't all treat education that way.
Also, don't be so confident that older history texts are more honest. They usually were not.
Grumps
26th February 2012, 03:31 PM
The purpose of state schools is to create a class of 'just knowledgeable enough' workers for the elite that learn to be regimented and obedient.
Religion acts in the same manner.
Do you enjoy being wrong or is it entirely unintentional?
Religion acts in the same manner.
Do you enjoy being wrong or is it entirely unintentional?
Jerome
26th February 2012, 03:42 PM
Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system
Jerome
26th February 2012, 03:52 PM
"If you want to influence [the student] at all, you must do more than merely talk to him; you must fashion him, and fashion him in such a way that he simply cannot will otherwise than what you wish him to will."
Addresses to the German Nation, 1807. Second Address : "The General Nature of the New Education". Chicago and London, The Open Court Publishing Company, 1922, p. 21
Addresses to the German Nation, 1807. Second Address : "The General Nature of the New Education". Chicago and London, The Open Court Publishing Company, 1922, p. 21
Jerome
26th February 2012, 03:54 PM
here is where everyone will toss up blinders, claim it is not true, and call names like 'conspiracy theorist'.
Jerome
26th February 2012, 03:59 PM
Then you have stupid state schools and you should be advocating for better state schools so your country is forced to quit creating that class of people whose lives are chained to whatever the rich want it chained to.
Other countries don't all treat education that way.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/s4/f2/dsk2/tape16/PQDD_0018/MQ28698.pdf
This thesis has as its object the recovery of a history of
observations made by Ontario educators about the Gemn system of
education. From the time of the establishment of the Upper
Canadian system of education under Ryerson during the 1840s to the
begi~ing of World War 1, the Prussian, and later, the German
educational system of ten served as a model and a source of ideas
and methods for people in Ontario. Many educators in Ontario
initially looked to Gemny in order to (1) construct a system of
education, (2) raise the status of the province's educational
system, (31 criticize it, and finally (4) improve the province's industrial development. By the end of World War 1, Germanyts
educational system was condemned as a model of education, and the
historical record of the influence of Germany on the development of
Ontario's system of education was ignored.
Other countries don't all treat education that way.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/s4/f2/dsk2/tape16/PQDD_0018/MQ28698.pdf
This thesis has as its object the recovery of a history of
observations made by Ontario educators about the Gemn system of
education. From the time of the establishment of the Upper
Canadian system of education under Ryerson during the 1840s to the
begi~ing of World War 1, the Prussian, and later, the German
educational system of ten served as a model and a source of ideas
and methods for people in Ontario. Many educators in Ontario
initially looked to Gemny in order to (1) construct a system of
education, (2) raise the status of the province's educational
system, (31 criticize it, and finally (4) improve the province's industrial development. By the end of World War 1, Germanyts
educational system was condemned as a model of education, and the
historical record of the influence of Germany on the development of
Ontario's system of education was ignored.
Jerome
26th February 2012, 04:02 PM
Whatever you would have appear in a nation's life , that
you must put into its Schools.
A Prussian motto referred to
by Egerton Ryerson, 1872.
you must put into its Schools.
A Prussian motto referred to
by Egerton Ryerson, 1872.
ericv00
7th March 2012, 01:57 PM
Whatever you would have appear in a nation's life , that
you must put into its Schools.
A Prussian motto referred to
by Egerton Ryerson, 1872.
Just saw this. (Because it is in philosophy. I don't bother with these boards much)
JDG, this saying can be seen from many perspectives. It is true that many would indoctrinate children to serve their views and purposes and use schools to do so. It is also true that many want to see their children succeed and would teach them the skills to better themselves continuously with knowledge and understanding.
It is a tug-o-war that we will probably always have to play. Religion vs secularism, 'patriotism' vs freedom.
you must put into its Schools.
A Prussian motto referred to
by Egerton Ryerson, 1872.
Just saw this. (Because it is in philosophy. I don't bother with these boards much)
JDG, this saying can be seen from many perspectives. It is true that many would indoctrinate children to serve their views and purposes and use schools to do so. It is also true that many want to see their children succeed and would teach them the skills to better themselves continuously with knowledge and understanding.
It is a tug-o-war that we will probably always have to play. Religion vs secularism, 'patriotism' vs freedom.
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