What Does That Pink Ribbon Stand For? page 1
borealis
1st February 2012, 08:51 PM
This is just wrong.
My sympathies to American women who have to put up with this religio-political crap.
The nation's leading breast-cancer charity, Susan G. Komen for the Cure, is halting its partnerships with Planned Parenthood affiliates — creating a bitter rift, linked to the abortion debate, between two iconic organizations that have assisted millions of women.
The change will mean a cutoff of hundreds of thousands of dollars in grants, mainly for breast exams.
Planned Parenthood says the move results from Komen bowing to pressure from anti-abortion activists. Komen says the key reason is that Planned Parenthood is under investigation in Congress — a probe launched by a conservative Republican who was urged to act by anti-abortion groups.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=146158331
My sympathies to American women who have to put up with this religio-political crap.
The nation's leading breast-cancer charity, Susan G. Komen for the Cure, is halting its partnerships with Planned Parenthood affiliates — creating a bitter rift, linked to the abortion debate, between two iconic organizations that have assisted millions of women.
The change will mean a cutoff of hundreds of thousands of dollars in grants, mainly for breast exams.
Planned Parenthood says the move results from Komen bowing to pressure from anti-abortion activists. Komen says the key reason is that Planned Parenthood is under investigation in Congress — a probe launched by a conservative Republican who was urged to act by anti-abortion groups.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=146158331
Jerome
1st February 2012, 08:58 PM
A Congressional investigation is kinnda' a big deal, if the organization is doing something nefarious it makes sense for the other organization to step back.
ksen
1st February 2012, 09:10 PM
What "nefarious" things is PP being charged with?
Jerome
1st February 2012, 09:13 PM
What "nefarious" things is PP being charged with?
Lila Rose’s LiveAction videos have shown Planned Parenthood employees unwilling to enforce parental-involvement laws, unwilling to report statutory rape, but willing to assist a pimp whose prostitutes are minors.
Lila Rose’s LiveAction videos have shown Planned Parenthood employees unwilling to enforce parental-involvement laws, unwilling to report statutory rape, but willing to assist a pimp whose prostitutes are minors.
ksen
1st February 2012, 09:17 PM
Are those Breitbart "investigations?"
Jerome
1st February 2012, 09:21 PM
They are having Congressional investigations.
I am sure that you want an organization that receives taxpayer funding to be following the law.
I am sure that you want an organization that receives taxpayer funding to be following the law.
Jerome
1st February 2012, 09:39 PM
Misuse of federal health care and family planning funds. State audit reports and admissions by former employees detail a pattern of misuse by some Planned Parenthood affiliates.
Failure to report criminal child sexual abuse. Substantial and still-developing evidence indicates that many Planned Parenthood clinics fail to report all instances of suspected abuse, and instead advise minors and their abusers on how to circumvent the mandatory reporting laws.
Failure to comply with parental involvement laws. Some Planned Parenthood affiliates exhibit a pattern and practice of violating and circumventing parental involvement laws.
Assisting those engaged in prostitution and/or sex trafficking. Some Planned Parenthood clinics have demonstrated a willingness to partner with pimps or sex traffickers to exploit young women instead of safeguarding their health and safety.
Dangerous misuse of the abortion drug RU-486. Planned Parenthood’s admitted disregard for the FDA’s approved protocol puts profits above women’s lives and safety.
Misinformation about so-called “emergency contraception,” including ella. Planned Parenthood boasts of its role in the approval of a new drug ella, yet provides considerable misinformation about the drug.
Willingness to provide women with inaccurate and misleading information. Some Planned Parenthood affiliates continually demonstrate a disregard for women’s health and safety through their willingness to provide inaccurate and misleading information regarding fetal development and about abortion’s inherent health risks.
Willingness to refer to substandard clinics. Some Planned Parenthood affiliates put the lives and safety of women
and girls at risk by associating with substandard abortion providers.
http://www.aul.org/executive-summary-2/
Failure to report criminal child sexual abuse. Substantial and still-developing evidence indicates that many Planned Parenthood clinics fail to report all instances of suspected abuse, and instead advise minors and their abusers on how to circumvent the mandatory reporting laws.
Failure to comply with parental involvement laws. Some Planned Parenthood affiliates exhibit a pattern and practice of violating and circumventing parental involvement laws.
Assisting those engaged in prostitution and/or sex trafficking. Some Planned Parenthood clinics have demonstrated a willingness to partner with pimps or sex traffickers to exploit young women instead of safeguarding their health and safety.
Dangerous misuse of the abortion drug RU-486. Planned Parenthood’s admitted disregard for the FDA’s approved protocol puts profits above women’s lives and safety.
Misinformation about so-called “emergency contraception,” including ella. Planned Parenthood boasts of its role in the approval of a new drug ella, yet provides considerable misinformation about the drug.
Willingness to provide women with inaccurate and misleading information. Some Planned Parenthood affiliates continually demonstrate a disregard for women’s health and safety through their willingness to provide inaccurate and misleading information regarding fetal development and about abortion’s inherent health risks.
Willingness to refer to substandard clinics. Some Planned Parenthood affiliates put the lives and safety of women
and girls at risk by associating with substandard abortion providers.
http://www.aul.org/executive-summary-2/
borealis
1st February 2012, 09:42 PM
FTA:
Komen spokeswoman Leslie Aun said the cutoff results from the charity's newly adopted criteria barring grants to organizations that are under investigation by local, state or federal authorities. According to Komen, this applies to Planned Parenthood because it's the focus of an inquiry launched by Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., seeking to determine whether public money was improperly spent on abortions.
Cecile Richards, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, has depicted Stearns' probe as politically motivated and said she was dismayed that it had contributed to Komen's decision to halt the grants to PPFA affiliates.
Trail of instigators = all pro-lifies using government to harass PP, afaict.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/27/planned-parenthood-investigation-government-resources_n_984002.html
Komen spokeswoman Leslie Aun said the cutoff results from the charity's newly adopted criteria barring grants to organizations that are under investigation by local, state or federal authorities. According to Komen, this applies to Planned Parenthood because it's the focus of an inquiry launched by Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., seeking to determine whether public money was improperly spent on abortions.
Cecile Richards, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, has depicted Stearns' probe as politically motivated and said she was dismayed that it had contributed to Komen's decision to halt the grants to PPFA affiliates.
Trail of instigators = all pro-lifies using government to harass PP, afaict.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/27/planned-parenthood-investigation-government-resources_n_984002.html
Jerome
1st February 2012, 09:51 PM
Planned parenthood is not some kind of Christ like organization, if they have allowed such things as accused to happen, would it not be best for women that need their services that these problems be removed from the organization?
borealis
1st February 2012, 10:08 PM
Planned parenthood is not some kind of Christ like organization, if they have allowed such things as accused to happen, would it not be best for women that need their services that these problems be removed from the organization?
Jerome, the whole thing sounds way too much like a witch hunt to be real.
Read that list you posted, provided by Americans United for Life, a rabid anti abortion group who've been accused of over zealousness more than once.
http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/150083/revealed%3A_the_group_behind_the_bills_that_could_ legalize_killing_abortion_providers/
The list in most cases paints a picture of PP as a criminal organisation that harms women deliberately. Which, frankly, is nuts.
Jerome, the whole thing sounds way too much like a witch hunt to be real.
Read that list you posted, provided by Americans United for Life, a rabid anti abortion group who've been accused of over zealousness more than once.
http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/150083/revealed%3A_the_group_behind_the_bills_that_could_ legalize_killing_abortion_providers/
The list in most cases paints a picture of PP as a criminal organisation that harms women deliberately. Which, frankly, is nuts.
Jerome
1st February 2012, 10:17 PM
The list in most cases paints a picture of PP as a criminal organisation that harms women deliberately. Which, frankly, is nuts.
If they are harming women unintentionally, should this not be corrected?
If they are harming women unintentionally, should this not be corrected?
Jerome
1st February 2012, 10:20 PM
Read that list you posted, provided by Americans United for Life, a rabid anti abortion group who've been accused of over zealousness more than once.
Such is the type of argument against any number of environmental groups that investigate pollution caused by irresponsible business.
It is an invalid argument in either case.
Such is the type of argument against any number of environmental groups that investigate pollution caused by irresponsible business.
It is an invalid argument in either case.
borealis
1st February 2012, 10:25 PM
The list in most cases paints a picture of PP as a criminal organisation that harms women deliberately. Which, frankly, is nuts.
If they are harming women unintentionally, should this not be corrected?
If they were, the proper path would be for some harmed woman to lay a complaint with either the medical establishment, the police, or other legal body with the means to conduct an investigation. Not to enlist a politician to use all the force of the federal government to conduct a dragger style fishing expedition that may go on for years while destroying the lives of thousands of poor and even middle class women who have no other place to turn for the services PP provides.
If you can't see that, you are part of the problem.
If they are harming women unintentionally, should this not be corrected?
If they were, the proper path would be for some harmed woman to lay a complaint with either the medical establishment, the police, or other legal body with the means to conduct an investigation. Not to enlist a politician to use all the force of the federal government to conduct a dragger style fishing expedition that may go on for years while destroying the lives of thousands of poor and even middle class women who have no other place to turn for the services PP provides.
If you can't see that, you are part of the problem.
Jerome
1st February 2012, 10:35 PM
Right, so if a business is polluting a river someone should just call the local police?
oblivion
1st February 2012, 10:35 PM
"fuck the poor".
Jerome
1st February 2012, 10:38 PM
Consistency is the key here guys, one's particular political view should not determine how an organizations' actions are regulated.
Jerome
1st February 2012, 10:39 PM
"fuck the poor".
Right, not reporting rape is a help to poor womyn.
:rolleyes:
Right, not reporting rape is a help to poor womyn.
:rolleyes:
borealis
1st February 2012, 10:40 PM
Right, so if a business is polluting a river someone should just call the local police?
Jerome. Normally one calls the appropriate regulatory body. River pollution falls under your EPA, I would assume. Here we would report it to the Dept. of Natural Resources. But we could in fact report it to the RCMP if it were something as obvious as someone dumping old refrigerators in a river, an act which is clearly against the law. A politician would neither be needed nor wanted nor have the expertise nor the authority to conduct an environmental assessment.
Jerome. Normally one calls the appropriate regulatory body. River pollution falls under your EPA, I would assume. Here we would report it to the Dept. of Natural Resources. But we could in fact report it to the RCMP if it were something as obvious as someone dumping old refrigerators in a river, an act which is clearly against the law. A politician would neither be needed nor wanted nor have the expertise nor the authority to conduct an environmental assessment.
ksen
1st February 2012, 10:43 PM
"fuck the poor".
Apparently Planned Parenthood is doing just that!
(how'd i do jerome?)
Apparently Planned Parenthood is doing just that!
(how'd i do jerome?)
Jerome
1st February 2012, 10:48 PM
Right, so if a business is polluting a river someone should just call the local police?
Jerome. Normally one calls the appropriate regulatory body. River pollution falls under your EPA, I would assume. Here we would report it to the Dept. of Natural Resources. But we could in fact report it to the RCMP if it were something as obvious as someone dumping old refrigerators in a river, an act which is clearly against the law. A politician would neither be needed nor wanted nor have the expertise nor the authority to conduct an environmental assessment.
Politicians are funding this business, that is the difference.
Just for clarity, I am not against people having abortions if they want them, that is their choice, i don't particularly like it, nor do i like rhinoplasty, neither is my choice for others.
Jerome. Normally one calls the appropriate regulatory body. River pollution falls under your EPA, I would assume. Here we would report it to the Dept. of Natural Resources. But we could in fact report it to the RCMP if it were something as obvious as someone dumping old refrigerators in a river, an act which is clearly against the law. A politician would neither be needed nor wanted nor have the expertise nor the authority to conduct an environmental assessment.
Politicians are funding this business, that is the difference.
Just for clarity, I am not against people having abortions if they want them, that is their choice, i don't particularly like it, nor do i like rhinoplasty, neither is my choice for others.
Adenosine
1st February 2012, 11:17 PM
"fuck the poor".
:nada:
:nada:
Adenosine
1st February 2012, 11:21 PM
Right, so if a business is polluting a river someone should just call the local police?
Jerome. Normally one calls the appropriate regulatory body. River pollution falls under your EPA, I would assume. Here we would report it to the Dept. of Natural Resources. But we could in fact report it to the RCMP if it were something as obvious as someone dumping old refrigerators in a river, an act which is clearly against the law. A politician would neither be needed nor wanted nor have the expertise nor the authority to conduct an environmental assessment.
Politicians are funding this business, that is the difference.
Just for clarity, I am not against people having abortions if they want them, that is their choice, i don't particularly like it, nor do i like rhinoplasty, neither is my choice for others.
Politicians aren't funding anything. The government is funding them and the government is supposed to be beholden to the people, not just a small vocal minority who curse the day women were allowed out of the kitchen.
If PP is treading lightly in cases of stat rape I'm sure that there is a very good reason, probably to do with the safety of the girl or young women in question. If a young woman is being pimped it's likely that she doesn't have access to a safe place.
If you are really concerned for these women Jerome, then lobby government for more resources for them, like safe houses, shelters, education programs and free access to basic healthcare including birth control.
Jerome. Normally one calls the appropriate regulatory body. River pollution falls under your EPA, I would assume. Here we would report it to the Dept. of Natural Resources. But we could in fact report it to the RCMP if it were something as obvious as someone dumping old refrigerators in a river, an act which is clearly against the law. A politician would neither be needed nor wanted nor have the expertise nor the authority to conduct an environmental assessment.
Politicians are funding this business, that is the difference.
Just for clarity, I am not against people having abortions if they want them, that is their choice, i don't particularly like it, nor do i like rhinoplasty, neither is my choice for others.
Politicians aren't funding anything. The government is funding them and the government is supposed to be beholden to the people, not just a small vocal minority who curse the day women were allowed out of the kitchen.
If PP is treading lightly in cases of stat rape I'm sure that there is a very good reason, probably to do with the safety of the girl or young women in question. If a young woman is being pimped it's likely that she doesn't have access to a safe place.
If you are really concerned for these women Jerome, then lobby government for more resources for them, like safe houses, shelters, education programs and free access to basic healthcare including birth control.
PermanentlyEphemeral
1st February 2012, 11:27 PM
So who is the new McCarthy?
Jerome
1st February 2012, 11:29 PM
Medical professionals are required by law to report rape, those laws are in place by the people to protect woman.
maiforpeace
1st February 2012, 11:31 PM
I almost participated in the walk for Susan B Komen for the cure - when I went to the registration meeting I found myself at a church, surrounded by a bunch of religious nuts, who started off the meeting with prayer.
They claim they aren't religiously based, but if you allow and promote prayer at a registration meeting for your biggest event of the year, that's being religious.
I made a lot of noise about it at the meeting and to the organization and promptly walked out of there.
Liars and/or hypocrites. So, this does not surprise me in the least bit. Pro-life, my ass.
They claim they aren't religiously based, but if you allow and promote prayer at a registration meeting for your biggest event of the year, that's being religious.
I made a lot of noise about it at the meeting and to the organization and promptly walked out of there.
Liars and/or hypocrites. So, this does not surprise me in the least bit. Pro-life, my ass.
Jerome
1st February 2012, 11:38 PM
surrounded by a bunch of religious nuts
Why would you care if they are funding breast cancer research?
Why would you care if they are funding breast cancer research?
Adenosine
1st February 2012, 11:40 PM
Medical professionals are required by law to report rape, those laws are in place by the people to protect woman.
If a woman is raped by a person she knows, maybe by a family member or a pimp, and it is reported how safe do you think she would be?
My personal preference is to see all rapists rot in jail but I can make allowances based on real world situations. PP would be invaluable in supporting those women to gain some measure of power and more importantly, to stay alive. I have known women who work in PP style clinics and they are all about protecting women. They are all hardcore feminists. And they are some of the most awesome people I know.
If a woman is raped by a person she knows, maybe by a family member or a pimp, and it is reported how safe do you think she would be?
My personal preference is to see all rapists rot in jail but I can make allowances based on real world situations. PP would be invaluable in supporting those women to gain some measure of power and more importantly, to stay alive. I have known women who work in PP style clinics and they are all about protecting women. They are all hardcore feminists. And they are some of the most awesome people I know.
Jerome
1st February 2012, 11:45 PM
Medical professionals are required by law to report rape, those laws are in place by the people to protect woman.
If a woman is raped by a person she knows, maybe by a family member or a pimp, and it is reported how safe do you think she would be?
My personal preference is to see all rapists rot in jail but I can make allowances based on real world situations. PP would be invaluable in supporting those women to gain some measure of power and more importantly, to stay alive. I have known women who work in PP style clinics and they are all about protecting women. They are all hardcore feminists. And they are some of the most awesome people I know.
I cannot envision a circumstance in which a woman is better off going back to the pimp or family member that is raping her.
If a woman is raped by a person she knows, maybe by a family member or a pimp, and it is reported how safe do you think she would be?
My personal preference is to see all rapists rot in jail but I can make allowances based on real world situations. PP would be invaluable in supporting those women to gain some measure of power and more importantly, to stay alive. I have known women who work in PP style clinics and they are all about protecting women. They are all hardcore feminists. And they are some of the most awesome people I know.
I cannot envision a circumstance in which a woman is better off going back to the pimp or family member that is raping her.
Adenosine
1st February 2012, 11:50 PM
What about when the alternative is battery leading to death?
And read the rest of my post. PP is about empowering women but it's a tricky subject. You can't tell an abused women that she is being abused and that her partner is a piece of shit and that she should leave him. You attack her partner, you're attacking her choice of partner, you're attacking her, she will get defensive and shut you out. You have to give her the tools to recognise the situation and then support her to leave that situation.
I wish everything was as black and white as you're making it out to be. Woman is raped, PP reports it, rapist disappears, woman moves into nice house in the 'burbs with a white picket fence and bakes cookies. Doesn't happen like that. And one part of that is how rape victims are treated by the courts. So you can add that to the list of things to lobby government about, fairer treatment for rape victims.
And read the rest of my post. PP is about empowering women but it's a tricky subject. You can't tell an abused women that she is being abused and that her partner is a piece of shit and that she should leave him. You attack her partner, you're attacking her choice of partner, you're attacking her, she will get defensive and shut you out. You have to give her the tools to recognise the situation and then support her to leave that situation.
I wish everything was as black and white as you're making it out to be. Woman is raped, PP reports it, rapist disappears, woman moves into nice house in the 'burbs with a white picket fence and bakes cookies. Doesn't happen like that. And one part of that is how rape victims are treated by the courts. So you can add that to the list of things to lobby government about, fairer treatment for rape victims.
Jerome
1st February 2012, 11:52 PM
What about when the alternative is battery leading to death?
Dude, what are you doing? Your argument here is to not arrest rapists to protect those that are violated...
Dude, what are you doing? Your argument here is to not arrest rapists to protect those that are violated...
Jerome
1st February 2012, 11:55 PM
You can't tell an abused women that she is being abused and that her partner is a piece of shit and that she should leave him.
Yes you fucking can and you can fucking arrest the fuck putting him nowhere he can touch her or anyone else again.
Yes you fucking can and you can fucking arrest the fuck putting him nowhere he can touch her or anyone else again.
FedUpWithFaith
1st February 2012, 11:55 PM
This isn't limited to PP.
We stopped giving to Komen years ago after a friend who worked in another charity told us about their aggressive and rather tawdry maneuvers against other charities that they felt "got in the way" or tried to share "their" spotlight. They want to be THE breast cancer charity and try to crush "competition". We later read some articles that confirmed this. I tried to find links to them but was not successful. I'm sure they do good work and I love breasts, but we decided donate elsewhere.
We stopped giving to Komen years ago after a friend who worked in another charity told us about their aggressive and rather tawdry maneuvers against other charities that they felt "got in the way" or tried to share "their" spotlight. They want to be THE breast cancer charity and try to crush "competition". We later read some articles that confirmed this. I tried to find links to them but was not successful. I'm sure they do good work and I love breasts, but we decided donate elsewhere.
Jerome
1st February 2012, 11:57 PM
They want to be THE breast cancer charity and try to crush "competition".
unsurprising, big charity is big business
unsurprising, big charity is big business
FedUpWithFaith
1st February 2012, 11:57 PM
I cannot envision a circumstance in which a woman is better off going back to the pimp or family member that is raping her.
I'll have to remember never to let you near my bitches.
I'll have to remember never to let you near my bitches.
maiforpeace
1st February 2012, 11:58 PM
surrounded by a bunch of religious nuts
Why would you care if they are funding breast cancer research?
I don't care if religious nuts fund breast cancer research - I do care that they discriminate against non religious people by integrating religious activities into the process in which they raise money for breast cancer research. Particularly if they lie about it - they claimed they weren't religiously based - I say that with authority, because I called before going to the meeting, being suspicious of the location.
It's their loss when they discriminate - not breast cancer research, since I can just go find another NP to raise money for.
And after reading what FUWF had to write, I feel even better about shining them.
Why would you care if they are funding breast cancer research?
I don't care if religious nuts fund breast cancer research - I do care that they discriminate against non religious people by integrating religious activities into the process in which they raise money for breast cancer research. Particularly if they lie about it - they claimed they weren't religiously based - I say that with authority, because I called before going to the meeting, being suspicious of the location.
It's their loss when they discriminate - not breast cancer research, since I can just go find another NP to raise money for.
And after reading what FUWF had to write, I feel even better about shining them.
Jerome
2nd February 2012, 12:01 AM
Mai, I agree religion is a well fined tool for controlling people, but don't let others' silly things get in the way of you doing good things. :blinksmile:
maiforpeace
2nd February 2012, 12:03 AM
This isn't limited to PP.
We stopped giving to Komen years ago after a friend who worked in another charity told us about their aggressive and rather tawdry maneuvers against other charities that they felt "got in the way" or tried to share "their" spotlight. They want to be THE breast cancer charity and try to crush "competition". We later read some articles that confirmed this. I tried to find links to them but was not successful. I'm sure they do good work and I love breasts, but we decided donate elsewhere.
Indeed. You have to be discriminating about where you put your donation money, there are as many good and bad charities as there are good and bad businesses.
Mai, I agree religion is a well fined tool for controlling people, but don't let others' silly things get in the way of you doing good things. :blinksmile:
As I already said, I don't, I just go elsewhere with my business.
What had appealed to me about raising money for them was the walk and the easy way you can raise a lot of money for it online...but when I realized it would include a bunch of religious nonsense that makes me uncomfortable, why subject myself to that?
We stopped giving to Komen years ago after a friend who worked in another charity told us about their aggressive and rather tawdry maneuvers against other charities that they felt "got in the way" or tried to share "their" spotlight. They want to be THE breast cancer charity and try to crush "competition". We later read some articles that confirmed this. I tried to find links to them but was not successful. I'm sure they do good work and I love breasts, but we decided donate elsewhere.
Indeed. You have to be discriminating about where you put your donation money, there are as many good and bad charities as there are good and bad businesses.
Mai, I agree religion is a well fined tool for controlling people, but don't let others' silly things get in the way of you doing good things. :blinksmile:
As I already said, I don't, I just go elsewhere with my business.
What had appealed to me about raising money for them was the walk and the easy way you can raise a lot of money for it online...but when I realized it would include a bunch of religious nonsense that makes me uncomfortable, why subject myself to that?
Adenosine
2nd February 2012, 12:08 AM
What about when the alternative is battery leading to death?
Dude, what are you doing? Your argument here is to not arrest rapists to protect those that are violated...
f you are going to cherrypick which sentences to reply to...don't.
You can't tell an abused women that she is being abused and that her partner is a piece of shit and that she should leave him.
Yes you fucking can and you can fucking arrest the fuck putting him nowhere he can touch her or anyone else again.
Black and white again. Go look at the numbers of rape reports versus the number of convictions. And look at the sentences given for rape. There are very few long sentences given out, it's all mitigating circumstance this, short skirt that.
Dude, what are you doing? Your argument here is to not arrest rapists to protect those that are violated...
f you are going to cherrypick which sentences to reply to...don't.
You can't tell an abused women that she is being abused and that her partner is a piece of shit and that she should leave him.
Yes you fucking can and you can fucking arrest the fuck putting him nowhere he can touch her or anyone else again.
Black and white again. Go look at the numbers of rape reports versus the number of convictions. And look at the sentences given for rape. There are very few long sentences given out, it's all mitigating circumstance this, short skirt that.
Jerome
2nd February 2012, 12:23 AM
I prefer rapists are jailed.
Jerome
2nd February 2012, 12:24 AM
Aden, we are of the same mind here, you are letting your team spirit get in the way of seeing this.
Adenosine
2nd February 2012, 12:36 AM
Aden, we are of the same mind here, you are letting your team spirit get in the way of seeing this.
It's nothing to do with team spirit, wherever that came from, it's to do with recognising realities.
It's nothing to do with team spirit, wherever that came from, it's to do with recognising realities.
Grumps
2nd February 2012, 12:49 AM
What about when the alternative is battery leading to death?
Dude, what are you doing? Your argument here is to not arrest rapists to protect those that are violated...
Do you know what statutory rape is?
18 year old boy, 16 year old girl.
OH GOD RAPE, CALL THE POLITICIANS! CALL FOR A CONGRESSIONAL INQUIRY IN TO OUR SCHOOLS, THEY ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.
Dude, what are you doing? Your argument here is to not arrest rapists to protect those that are violated...
Do you know what statutory rape is?
18 year old boy, 16 year old girl.
OH GOD RAPE, CALL THE POLITICIANS! CALL FOR A CONGRESSIONAL INQUIRY IN TO OUR SCHOOLS, THEY ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.
Grumps
2nd February 2012, 12:51 AM
surrounded by a bunch of religious nuts
Why would you care if they are funding breast cancer research?
For the same reason you don't vote in Ron Paul, even if he opposed the patriot act.
Why would you care if they are funding breast cancer research?
For the same reason you don't vote in Ron Paul, even if he opposed the patriot act.
Jerome
2nd February 2012, 01:07 AM
For the same reason you don't vote in Ron Paul, even if he opposed the patriot act.
No, I have written him in, in fact I had to provide state issued Identification printed on the outside of my ballot this past election.
The Peoples' Republic of Maryland checks IDs for those not Dem/Gop registered.
No, I have written him in, in fact I had to provide state issued Identification printed on the outside of my ballot this past election.
The Peoples' Republic of Maryland checks IDs for those not Dem/Gop registered.
FedUpWithFaith
2nd February 2012, 02:27 AM
For the same reason you don't vote in Ron Paul, even if he opposed the patriot act.
No, I have written him in, in fact I had to provide state issued Identification printed on the outside of my ballot this past election.
The Peoples' Republic of Maryland checks IDs for those not Dem/Gop registered.
you live in MD too?
I like and respect Ron Paul too. He's honest and principled. But I'd never vote for him in a Pres. race. His nutso Austrian economics/get back on the gold standard BS would destroy the economy. He aggressively gets money wrong whereas most politicians simply don't bother to try to understand it.
No, I have written him in, in fact I had to provide state issued Identification printed on the outside of my ballot this past election.
The Peoples' Republic of Maryland checks IDs for those not Dem/Gop registered.
you live in MD too?
I like and respect Ron Paul too. He's honest and principled. But I'd never vote for him in a Pres. race. His nutso Austrian economics/get back on the gold standard BS would destroy the economy. He aggressively gets money wrong whereas most politicians simply don't bother to try to understand it.
Jerome
2nd February 2012, 02:30 AM
But I'd never vote for him in a Pres. race.
what would it matter in that state??
what would it matter in that state??
FedUpWithFaith
2nd February 2012, 02:49 AM
But I'd never vote for him in a Pres. race.
what would it matter in that state??
;] true. What part of MD you from?
what would it matter in that state??
;] true. What part of MD you from?
Jerome
2nd February 2012, 02:51 AM
Annapolis, how about you?
FedUpWithFaith
2nd February 2012, 03:28 AM
Butler.
You'd fit in here better. I'm in that weird gerrymandered Republican area that extends from Garrett to Harford Co.s
You're in Commie hell.
You'd fit in here better. I'm in that weird gerrymandered Republican area that extends from Garrett to Harford Co.s
You're in Commie hell.
Jerome
2nd February 2012, 03:30 AM
Commie hell has the best roads.
:thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
Jerome
2nd February 2012, 03:33 AM
I once lived on York south of Towson.
FedUpWithFaith
2nd February 2012, 03:33 AM
Commie hell has the best roads.
:thumbsup:
Who needs roads when you're next to that beautiful bay?
:thumbsup:
Who needs roads when you're next to that beautiful bay?
Jerome
2nd February 2012, 03:36 AM
I grew up on the bay, still the smell encourages sweet memories. :blinksmile:
FedUpWithFaith
2nd February 2012, 03:39 AM
I grew up on the bay, still the smell encourages sweet memories. :blinksmile:
I grew up near Cleveland OH. It's smell also evokes my memories :facepalm:
I grew up near Cleveland OH. It's smell also evokes my memories :facepalm:
Jerome
2nd February 2012, 03:55 AM
:D:rofl::D
borealis
2nd February 2012, 09:38 PM
Hey, look, it was all about fundie anti-abortionists...
The decision to create a rule that would cut funding to Planned Parenthood, according to these sources, was driven by the organization's new senior vice-president for public policy, Karen Handel, a former gubernatorial candidate from Georgia who is staunchly anti-abortion and who has said that since she is "pro-life, I do not support the mission of Planned Parenthood." (The Komen grants to Planned Parenthood did not pay for abortion or contraception services, only cancer detection, according to all parties involved.)
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/02/top-susan-g-komen-official-resigned-over-planned-parenthood-cave-in/252405/?mrefid=
Article worth a read.
The decision to create a rule that would cut funding to Planned Parenthood, according to these sources, was driven by the organization's new senior vice-president for public policy, Karen Handel, a former gubernatorial candidate from Georgia who is staunchly anti-abortion and who has said that since she is "pro-life, I do not support the mission of Planned Parenthood." (The Komen grants to Planned Parenthood did not pay for abortion or contraception services, only cancer detection, according to all parties involved.)
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/02/top-susan-g-komen-official-resigned-over-planned-parenthood-cave-in/252405/?mrefid=
Article worth a read.
borealis
2nd February 2012, 09:46 PM
Another:
The skepticism is further fueled by the weirdness of a rule letting any city council member or random state legislator decide to defund a Komen grantee just by starting an "investigation." The Department of HHS rejected Stearns' invitation to look into Planned Parenthood months ago, and, even if he were dead on, Stearns isn't suggesting there's something wrong with Planned Parenthood's cancer screening. What if the IRS was looking into a hospital's tax status? Or almost any member of the Arizona legislature was worrying that an in-state facility with Komen money was harboring illegal immigrants? Would Komen have to pull their funding too?
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/the-komen-foundations-black-eye/252388/
The skepticism is further fueled by the weirdness of a rule letting any city council member or random state legislator decide to defund a Komen grantee just by starting an "investigation." The Department of HHS rejected Stearns' invitation to look into Planned Parenthood months ago, and, even if he were dead on, Stearns isn't suggesting there's something wrong with Planned Parenthood's cancer screening. What if the IRS was looking into a hospital's tax status? Or almost any member of the Arizona legislature was worrying that an in-state facility with Komen money was harboring illegal immigrants? Would Komen have to pull their funding too?
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/the-komen-foundations-black-eye/252388/
oblivion
3rd February 2012, 11:36 PM
so, the social media implosion over this appears to have gotten through to the Komen foundation. They've reversed this decision.
And it sounds like this is on its way to a text book case study in bad crisis management.
http://www.latimes.com/health/boostershots/la-heb-komen-crisis-management-20120203,0,1587848.story
And it sounds like this is on its way to a text book case study in bad crisis management.
http://www.latimes.com/health/boostershots/la-heb-komen-crisis-management-20120203,0,1587848.story
borealis
3rd February 2012, 11:54 PM
Wow. That's impressive work, social media!
And yes, I don't know how they could not have expected a huge backlash.
Also, now a lot of people have taken a hard look at Komen's connections. It won't be an easy recovery.
And yes, I don't know how they could not have expected a huge backlash.
Also, now a lot of people have taken a hard look at Komen's connections. It won't be an easy recovery.
borealis
4th February 2012, 02:45 PM
I don't often link to Reddit, but when I do...
This is the reaction comment thread after Komen retracted their decision. Some of the responses make interesting reading.
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/pa3yr/dear_susan_g_komen_you_dont_get_to_test_the/
This is the reaction comment thread after Komen retracted their decision. Some of the responses make interesting reading.
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/pa3yr/dear_susan_g_komen_you_dont_get_to_test_the/
divagreen
7th February 2012, 04:36 PM
This is kind of topic and I really wish I could see this but I don't think that it will be released where I live.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/artslife/58513-pink-ribbons-inc-asks-who-benefits-cause
http://thechronicleherald.ca/artslife/58513-pink-ribbons-inc-asks-who-benefits-cause
borealis
7th February 2012, 04:51 PM
NFB eventually puts all their films online, and it usually isn't a long wait. Here's their website and the PRI page.
http://www.nfb.ca/playlists/pink_ribbons_inc
Also, I've loved NFB Canada since I was a kid. They rock.
http://www.nfb.ca/playlists/pink_ribbons_inc
Also, I've loved NFB Canada since I was a kid. They rock.
FedUpWithFaith
7th February 2012, 04:55 PM
I read the article Diva- interesting.
I have to say, from where I stand, I feel the whole pink-ribbon - breast thing is mislabeling.
While some women have somewhat pink nipples, I don't think of breasts as pink.
When I think female-pink I think vagina. Pink ribbons should be for vaginal cancer.
Pink ribbons also implicitly disciminate against black women who certainly have no pink in their breasts. But they have pink vaginas just like white women.
There are too many different cause-ribbons anyway. You can't keep them all straight. Breasts should use something else. I suggest a small cluster of three small balloons. One could be white, another black, and another yellow, to represent women of all races.
The black balloon would be the biggest. The white one a little smaller and partially deflated, and the yellow one would be small and perky. I realize that's a little bit of over-stereotyping, but I couldn't help it.
I have to say, from where I stand, I feel the whole pink-ribbon - breast thing is mislabeling.
While some women have somewhat pink nipples, I don't think of breasts as pink.
When I think female-pink I think vagina. Pink ribbons should be for vaginal cancer.
Pink ribbons also implicitly disciminate against black women who certainly have no pink in their breasts. But they have pink vaginas just like white women.
There are too many different cause-ribbons anyway. You can't keep them all straight. Breasts should use something else. I suggest a small cluster of three small balloons. One could be white, another black, and another yellow, to represent women of all races.
The black balloon would be the biggest. The white one a little smaller and partially deflated, and the yellow one would be small and perky. I realize that's a little bit of over-stereotyping, but I couldn't help it.
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