So . . . what^s your favorite porn site? page 1
ksen
10th February 2012, 07:07 AM
A friend wants to know. :shifty:
Adenosine
10th February 2012, 12:04 PM
Is your friend called ksen?
I don't use it. So :shrug:
I don't use it. So :shrug:
Jerome
10th February 2012, 01:47 PM
mindromp.org
nick
10th February 2012, 02:38 PM
http://furryyaoi.com/
charlou
10th February 2012, 09:14 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/charlou/whisper.gif tell your friend xxxbunker .com
Cpt. Gender Injustice
10th February 2012, 09:30 PM
i get all my porn from pussytorrents
also: http://www.talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=46221
also: http://www.talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=46221
Jerome
10th February 2012, 09:42 PM
also: http://www.talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=46221
I just wrote a hack for pornpros and i thought you might need it.
:werd:
I just wrote a hack for pornpros and i thought you might need it.
:werd:
Free Falling
11th February 2012, 04:31 AM
http://www.redtube.com/10147
Free Falling
11th February 2012, 04:34 AM
Jesus christ! Why in hell did I look at that, let alone post it??
I should put a bullet through my own laptop right about now. And scrub my eyeballs.
I should put a bullet through my own laptop right about now. And scrub my eyeballs.
divagreen
11th February 2012, 05:04 AM
Jesus christ! Why in hell did I look at that, let alone post it??
I should put a bullet through my own laptop right about now. And scrub my eyeballs.
:rofl:
I should put a bullet through my own laptop right about now. And scrub my eyeballs.
:rofl:
Supernaut
11th February 2012, 05:55 AM
Everything good in life is right here in this site: http://www.latinboyz.com/
Supernaut
11th February 2012, 05:55 AM
Jesus christ! Why in hell did I look at that, let alone post it??
I should put a bullet through my own laptop right about now. And scrub my eyeballs.
LMAO!
I should put a bullet through my own laptop right about now. And scrub my eyeballs.
LMAO!
Grumps
11th February 2012, 06:41 AM
www.littlelacysurprisepageant.com
ksen
11th February 2012, 02:20 PM
jesus christ, raven please program something that will not allow me to start threads after I've been drinking.
tia
tia
rudeigineile
11th February 2012, 03:08 PM
I don't imbibe myself but I've often thought they should make a laptop and more importantly a mobile phone with a separate contacts list that requires that start up thing that they want to give to drunk drivers on parole.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1352474/QinetiQ-Cars-wont-start-youre-drunk-smell-alcohol-breath.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1352474/QinetiQ-Cars-wont-start-youre-drunk-smell-alcohol-breath.html
Jerome
11th February 2012, 03:17 PM
jesus christ, raven please program something that will not allow me to start threads after I've been drinking.
tia
http://apublicdefender.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/eat_underwear_breathalyzer.gif
tia
http://apublicdefender.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/eat_underwear_breathalyzer.gif
divagreen
11th February 2012, 03:25 PM
jesus christ, raven please program something that will not allow me to start threads after I've been drinking.
tia
http://apublicdefender.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/eat_underwear_breathalyzer.gif
Yaye! Jerome finally posted a pic!!!! :hehe:
tia
http://apublicdefender.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/eat_underwear_breathalyzer.gif
Yaye! Jerome finally posted a pic!!!! :hehe:
borealis
11th February 2012, 03:51 PM
Jerome is not a Canadian.
However, that guy looks exactly like a guy I know who definitely has a different name. :stare:
Then again, I can see changing one's name after that kind of publicity.
However, that guy looks exactly like a guy I know who definitely has a different name. :stare:
Then again, I can see changing one's name after that kind of publicity.
Sierra
12th February 2012, 02:17 AM
www.eatmyshorts.com
Amok
12th February 2012, 03:07 AM
A few years ago I discovered a couple of amateur porn sites (which I've since lost track of). I liked those. I've read remarks making fun of amateur porn, because some of the people aren't always attractive in the traditional sense, but that didn't bother me at all. There was something very intense and honest about what I saw there. And some of the people were attractive (to me).
Anyway, I don't go to commercial porn sites on the web, partly because I'm cheap and partly because I'm clueless about them. I'd be pissed if I paid in advance only to discover I wasn't interested in what was offered.
The only porn I watch now are the occasional blue movies that come with my digital TV package. They're what I think are described as soft core, but I enjoy some of them. Some of the more blatant and stupid ones are my faves, to be honest. I like the nudity and sex play when it's combined with a sort of in-your-face, this is a porno movie, stupid, attitude.
Anyway, I don't go to commercial porn sites on the web, partly because I'm cheap and partly because I'm clueless about them. I'd be pissed if I paid in advance only to discover I wasn't interested in what was offered.
The only porn I watch now are the occasional blue movies that come with my digital TV package. They're what I think are described as soft core, but I enjoy some of them. Some of the more blatant and stupid ones are my faves, to be honest. I like the nudity and sex play when it's combined with a sort of in-your-face, this is a porno movie, stupid, attitude.
Amok
12th February 2012, 05:57 AM
Oops! Thread-killing, too much information?
:unsure:
:unsure:
Mr. Mellow
12th February 2012, 06:38 AM
I'll take some pressure off you, Amok. :hehe:
I wouldn't have expected this, but when I'm in between relationships, I don't watch it as much. Most of what I've seen tries to be something it can't be (like, say, a good movie), and the people look bored. Maybe I'm weird, but I don't like to see whamma jamma floppity flop sploosh, but maybe I'm missing the point (Say this in a Cockney accent: "It's all about stickin' it in, innit, mate?")
Sincerity, genuine affection and actual sex; I hate "love scenes" in mainstream movies because they're fake, and most of them aren't necessary. They even embarrass me, whereas the real thing won't. Truth in filmmaking or whatever.
Ok, here's some too-much information to ease Amok's thread-killing burden:
Porn Do's and Don'ts
Do:
Ignore the camera
Enjoy yourself
(That's it)
Don't
Don't look at the camera
Cameraman, shut up!
Cameraman, stay out of it
Don't wear platform shoes in bed
Don't suck on plastic sex toys
Don't try to act
Plots are unnecessary
Don't wear stupid costumes, like "sexy librarian with glasses"
Nurses don't wear white thigh-highs to work
(That's enough)
:o:hehe: (Not the kind of post you'll usually see from me, but wtf)
I wouldn't have expected this, but when I'm in between relationships, I don't watch it as much. Most of what I've seen tries to be something it can't be (like, say, a good movie), and the people look bored. Maybe I'm weird, but I don't like to see whamma jamma floppity flop sploosh, but maybe I'm missing the point (Say this in a Cockney accent: "It's all about stickin' it in, innit, mate?")
Sincerity, genuine affection and actual sex; I hate "love scenes" in mainstream movies because they're fake, and most of them aren't necessary. They even embarrass me, whereas the real thing won't. Truth in filmmaking or whatever.
Ok, here's some too-much information to ease Amok's thread-killing burden:
Porn Do's and Don'ts
Do:
Ignore the camera
Enjoy yourself
(That's it)
Don't
Don't look at the camera
Cameraman, shut up!
Cameraman, stay out of it
Don't wear platform shoes in bed
Don't suck on plastic sex toys
Don't try to act
Plots are unnecessary
Don't wear stupid costumes, like "sexy librarian with glasses"
Nurses don't wear white thigh-highs to work
(That's enough)
:o:hehe: (Not the kind of post you'll usually see from me, but wtf)
Skeeve
12th February 2012, 12:44 PM
Anyway, I don't go to commercial porn sites on the web, partly because I'm cheap and partly because I'm clueless about them. I'd be pissed if I paid in advance only to discover I wasn't interested in what was offered.
Internet porn is FREE!
Off the top of my head:
pornhub.com
porn8.com
spankwire.com
hardsextube.com
drtuber.com
xhamster.com
None of those are gay sites, but some do have gay sections.
Internet porn is FREE!
Off the top of my head:
pornhub.com
porn8.com
spankwire.com
hardsextube.com
drtuber.com
xhamster.com
None of those are gay sites, but some do have gay sections.
nick
12th February 2012, 01:22 PM
(Say this in a Cockney accent: "It's all about stickin' it in, innit, mate?")
Kill yourself.
Kill yourself.
Fuzzy
12th February 2012, 04:30 PM
Don't wear stupid costumes, like "sexy librarian with glasses"
Nurses don't wear white thigh-highs to work
I like costumes :sadcheer:
Nurses don't wear white thigh-highs to work
I like costumes :sadcheer:
Mr. Mellow
12th February 2012, 05:51 PM
Don't wear stupid costumes, like "sexy librarian with glasses"
Nurses don't wear white thigh-highs to work
I like costumes :sadcheer:
Well, I admit I'm a sucker for nurses and librarians. My nurse crush began with sponge baths, at age 8, by "candy stripers," universally cute nursing assistants who wore pink-striped uniforms in a time when all nurses wore white uniforms, white nylons and Nurse Rachett hats. I should have clarified that I find it rare (in my extensive experience) that such costumes go hand-in-hand with good acting. Put another way, it's distracting. In mainstream cinema, bad acting pulls me out of the movie, replacing character with actor. Jeff Goldblum comes to mind.
I confess to being interested in directing a porn film – just once – because I feel like I could make something worth watching. It's not high on my bucket list, however.
(I cracked up typing this on my phone, when I mistyped "nurses" and spellcheck changed it to "nudes.")
Nurses don't wear white thigh-highs to work
I like costumes :sadcheer:
Well, I admit I'm a sucker for nurses and librarians. My nurse crush began with sponge baths, at age 8, by "candy stripers," universally cute nursing assistants who wore pink-striped uniforms in a time when all nurses wore white uniforms, white nylons and Nurse Rachett hats. I should have clarified that I find it rare (in my extensive experience) that such costumes go hand-in-hand with good acting. Put another way, it's distracting. In mainstream cinema, bad acting pulls me out of the movie, replacing character with actor. Jeff Goldblum comes to mind.
I confess to being interested in directing a porn film – just once – because I feel like I could make something worth watching. It's not high on my bucket list, however.
(I cracked up typing this on my phone, when I mistyped "nurses" and spellcheck changed it to "nudes.")
Jerome
12th February 2012, 07:44 PM
Off the top of my head:
:stare:
:stare:
Skeeve
12th February 2012, 10:06 PM
lol, too many? Those are just the str8 sites I know.
It would take a WoT to list the gay ones.
It would take a WoT to list the gay ones.
Amok
12th February 2012, 10:22 PM
Skeeve wrote:
Internet porn is FREE!No kidding? How on earth do they make any money?
Internet porn is FREE!No kidding? How on earth do they make any money?
Gallstones
12th February 2012, 10:40 PM
None.
Once you've seen one you've seen them all.
I watched mine in real time in Amsterdam many years ago.
Once you've seen one you've seen them all.
I watched mine in real time in Amsterdam many years ago.
PermanentlyEphemeral
12th February 2012, 11:56 PM
Skeeve wrote:
Internet porn is FREE!No kidding? How on earth do they make any money?
I'm surprised that the walk buttons on street corners don't have paid logos on them yet.
How much did people pay to watch Leave it to Beaver on rabbit ears?
How did the networks make money?
Internet porn is FREE!No kidding? How on earth do they make any money?
I'm surprised that the walk buttons on street corners don't have paid logos on them yet.
How much did people pay to watch Leave it to Beaver on rabbit ears?
How did the networks make money?
Mantisdreamz
13th February 2012, 12:08 AM
Porn Do's and Don'ts
Don't
Don't look at the camera
Agreed, it's so cheesy. I doubt you're going to be focusing on a camera if you're actually into it!
Don't
Don't look at the camera
Agreed, it's so cheesy. I doubt you're going to be focusing on a camera if you're actually into it!
Amok
13th February 2012, 01:05 AM
PermanentlyEphemeral:
How much did people pay to watch Leave it to Beaver on rabbit ears?
How did the networks make money?OK, touche. I think I was just surprised that the individual porno websites could get enough advertising to allow for free distribution, considering there are so many of them, but I wasn't thinking things through.
Each site doesn't have to make a fortune, just some money. And because there are so many sites, they don't individually have to pay a huge amount for the content for the makers to get quite a bit of money.
How much did people pay to watch Leave it to Beaver on rabbit ears?
How did the networks make money?OK, touche. I think I was just surprised that the individual porno websites could get enough advertising to allow for free distribution, considering there are so many of them, but I wasn't thinking things through.
Each site doesn't have to make a fortune, just some money. And because there are so many sites, they don't individually have to pay a huge amount for the content for the makers to get quite a bit of money.
PermanentlyEphemeral
13th February 2012, 01:33 AM
PermanentlyEphemeral:
How much did people pay to watch Leave it to Beaver on rabbit ears?
How did the networks make money?OK, touche. I think I was just surprised that the individual porno websites could get enough advertising to allow for free distribution, considering there are so many of them, but I wasn't thinking things through.
Each site doesn't have to make a fortune, just some money. And because there are so many sites, they don't individually have to pay a huge amount for the content for the makers to get quite a bit of money.
and they only have to hope to make money some day.
People don't have to actually make money to do something, they only have to hope that someday they will.
How much did people pay to watch Leave it to Beaver on rabbit ears?
How did the networks make money?OK, touche. I think I was just surprised that the individual porno websites could get enough advertising to allow for free distribution, considering there are so many of them, but I wasn't thinking things through.
Each site doesn't have to make a fortune, just some money. And because there are so many sites, they don't individually have to pay a huge amount for the content for the makers to get quite a bit of money.
and they only have to hope to make money some day.
People don't have to actually make money to do something, they only have to hope that someday they will.
charlou
13th February 2012, 02:08 AM
The only porn I watch now are the occasional blue movies that come with my digital TV package. They're what I think are described as soft core, but I enjoy some of them. Some of the more blatant and stupid ones are my faves, to be honest. I like the nudity and sex play when it's combined with a sort of in-your-face, this is a porno movie, stupid, attitude.
This describes one of my favourites, Models .. it's kinda self parodying, but not in a derisory way .. just good *ahem* clean fun. :D
This describes one of my favourites, Models .. it's kinda self parodying, but not in a derisory way .. just good *ahem* clean fun. :D
happygoodguy
9th January 2014, 03:02 PM
Tell your friend he dont have to look any further, here you have all porn sites gathered in one place, from the most popular to the least popular, thank me later! http://mypornbookmarks.com/ :awesome:
MondoVman
9th January 2014, 07:47 PM
Welcome Happy, and smooth move.
OmicronPersei8
1st February 2014, 09:40 PM
Tell your friend he dont have to look any further, here you have all porn sites gathered in one place, from the most popular to the least popular, thank me later! http://mypornbookmarks.com/ :awesome:
Shemales in the top 30
Shemales in the top 30
gib
1st February 2014, 11:48 PM
if they don't have big hands and a deep voice they're ok, what's your problem
TheAtheistWhoStoleJesus
2nd February 2014, 12:58 AM
101hugebazongaz.com
ilikepizzawithsausage.com
:joy:
ilikepizzawithsausage.com
:joy:
OmicronPersei8
2nd February 2014, 01:13 AM
if they don't have big hands and a deep voice they're ok, what's your problem
Who said there was a problem :ohmy:
Who said there was a problem :ohmy:
TheAtheistWhoStoleJesus
2nd February 2014, 04:03 AM
A few years ago me and a friend (a guy) went into one of those XXX peep show places. I was really intrigued to look around in a Ripley's believe It Or Not - kind of way. But I noticed that the men became very uncomfortable about a female being there and I could feel the tension. One of the customers there even had a go at my male friend for bringing me - but it was my idea. That was an interesting experience ...
TheAtheistWhoStoleJesus
2nd February 2014, 04:57 AM
I don't go for porn either - One of my most memorable sex scenes in a movie was with Holly Hunter and Harvey Keitel in The Piano. That is my version of very hot hot stuff and you never see sex but its right there ... I have to fan myself when i watch them two that movie ...
charlou
2nd February 2014, 08:00 AM
I don't go for porn either - One of my most memorable sex scenes in a movie was with Holly Hunter and Harvey Keitel in The Piano. That is my version of very hot hot stuff and you never see sex but its right there ... I have to fan myself when i watch them two that movie ...
oh yes indeedy, very much agree. Beautiful film too.
oh yes indeedy, very much agree. Beautiful film too.
MSG
2nd February 2014, 08:58 AM
oddly enough, I came across this article this morning http://www.goldderby.com/news/5579/anna-paquin-oscars-piano-movies-news-13579086.html
Anna Paquin winning Best Supporting Actress for "The Piano" - YouTube
Paquin has been working steadily in film and television for the past 20 years, though she has yet to be nominated for another Academy Award. Even if she never is, her unexpected victory will forever be remembered as one of Oscar’s truly great moments.
Anna Paquin winning Best Supporting Actress for "The Piano" - YouTube
Paquin has been working steadily in film and television for the past 20 years, though she has yet to be nominated for another Academy Award. Even if she never is, her unexpected victory will forever be remembered as one of Oscar’s truly great moments.
TheAtheistWhoStoleJesus
2nd February 2014, 10:04 AM
Oh that was just beautiful to watch MSG - she's just gorgeous. What an amazing thing to happen to a little girl.
Michael Nyman wrote the beautiful music for that movie.
Michael Nyman wrote the beautiful music for that movie.
MSG
2nd February 2014, 12:51 PM
yeah, I did muse on whether it was appropriate in the current thread given the headline
she was great in that film though. she really stole it against a stellar cast
she was great in that film though. she really stole it against a stellar cast
OmicronPersei8
2nd February 2014, 12:53 PM
Quit derailing the porn thread
MSG
2nd February 2014, 12:55 PM
*slaps wrist*
*quite enjoys it*
bbl
*quite enjoys it*
bbl
gib
20th March 2014, 01:12 AM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/cf8e6a5befb312a8e952051dc6f5916a/tumblr_miw7lkBP7j1s71q1zo1_1280.png
borealis
20th March 2014, 01:16 AM
omg :rofl:!
charlou
20th March 2014, 01:20 AM
perv
MondoVman
20th March 2014, 02:56 AM
Seeing as how not one, but two ladies responded in less than 10 minutes, I think I'll have what gib's smoking or drinking.
borealis
20th March 2014, 02:59 AM
We both like early twentieth century British mysteries? :ohmy:
oblivion
20th March 2014, 03:59 AM
I was just thinking that MS is a site where women are as likely to bump this thread as men are.
Requiem
27th March 2014, 08:44 PM
Is it repressed to not like porn? I get turned on by turned-on attractive women, like anyone, but porn gives me the creeps. I can believe that there are women involved who enjoy sex and w/e, but there are too many alternative stories. The fact that someone can subjectivize their situation as being positive despite xyz=exploitation, doesn't mean that they aren't exploited, otherwise every Uncle Tom could be a genuine apologist for slavery.
I'm aware that there's a potential patriarchy in what I'm saying, so to be clear I have no desire to circumscribe female enjoyment, but the sex-industry is one of the few cultural things which has passed-over from the old (patriarchal) age to the modern (supposedly liberal).
Basically, yeah sure, if that's your bag to have sex on camera for money, if that's really what you enjoy, then knock yourself out. But nevertheless, I bet there's a pretty lengthy and troubled back-story all the same.
I'm aware that there's a potential patriarchy in what I'm saying, so to be clear I have no desire to circumscribe female enjoyment, but the sex-industry is one of the few cultural things which has passed-over from the old (patriarchal) age to the modern (supposedly liberal).
Basically, yeah sure, if that's your bag to have sex on camera for money, if that's really what you enjoy, then knock yourself out. But nevertheless, I bet there's a pretty lengthy and troubled back-story all the same.
gib
28th March 2014, 12:30 AM
Christopher Martin - Look On My Face (Brighter Days Riddim) Prod. by Silly Walks Discotheque - YouTube
Adenosine
28th March 2014, 12:33 AM
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gib
28th March 2014, 01:06 AM
i posted too
Adenosine
28th March 2014, 02:49 AM
I listened to 2:17 of that!
Requiem
28th March 2014, 04:36 PM
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So glad to know I'm not alone, and of the company I find myself in.
So glad to know I'm not alone, and of the company I find myself in.
Requiem
28th March 2014, 04:43 PM
Third listen on that tune. Fucking great!
gib
29th March 2014, 12:22 AM
it's a great tune. i say give Aden another 10 years and he'll be post-atheist
Requiem
29th March 2014, 12:29 AM
#postatheist #postatheism #winning #makeithappen
Adenosine
29th March 2014, 01:15 PM
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So glad to know I'm not alone, and of the company I find myself in.
I wrote a thing years ago at SC about prostitution which mentioned many of your points. Oolon and HNA hammered at me for it. Mainly for my last sentence which said that buying a prostitute was akin to rape in that it wasn't truly consensual sex.
Meh to them. I knew HNA irl but never saw him again after that.
So glad to know I'm not alone, and of the company I find myself in.
I wrote a thing years ago at SC about prostitution which mentioned many of your points. Oolon and HNA hammered at me for it. Mainly for my last sentence which said that buying a prostitute was akin to rape in that it wasn't truly consensual sex.
Meh to them. I knew HNA irl but never saw him again after that.
Adenosine
29th March 2014, 01:16 PM
it's a great tune. i say give Aden another 10 years and he'll be post-atheist
Ha. I still have bursts of angry atheist when I'm surrounded by religion. But then get post-atheist when I'm surrounded by atheists. I'm contrary.
Ha. I still have bursts of angry atheist when I'm surrounded by religion. But then get post-atheist when I'm surrounded by atheists. I'm contrary.
borealis
29th March 2014, 01:20 PM
I just occasionally get creeped out when surrounded by religion. It's mostly the ritual language, which the religious never seem to realise tends towards the bloody, insane, and abusive, and which most would never apply in real life. They don't seem to parse the meanings of the actual phrases about eating flesh and drinking blood, for example. Nothing in a typical service squicks me out more than the Eucharist.
Adenosine
29th March 2014, 01:23 PM
Haha, it's a bizarre tradition, that's for sure.
It's the wilful ignorance and complete hypocrisy that gets to me.
It's the wilful ignorance and complete hypocrisy that gets to me.
borealis
29th March 2014, 02:37 PM
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So glad to know I'm not alone, and of the company I find myself in.
I wrote a thing years ago at SC about prostitution which mentioned many of your points. Oolon and HNA hammered at me for it. Mainly for my last sentence which said that buying a prostitute was akin to rape in that it wasn't truly consensual sex.
Meh to them. I knew HNA irl but never saw him again after that.
I have mixed thoughts on both prostitution and porn. I don't think either should be illegal; that just sends it underground and makes things worse for the people involved who may be exploited/harmed.
I've known or been in contact with through work (granted, in the 70s and 80s) a number of women (and several men) who were prostitutes at some point in their lives. Some of the women had hated it, some had been coerced by a pimp at a very young age, some had been addicted to narcotics. But several, none of whom, notably, worked for a pimp, regarded it as having been a practical method of making money during a time when they were unskilled and other jobs they could get paid low wages.
One woman I knew would spend three or four months a year working for an escort service in NYC which was just a front for a call out prostitute place. She had the option of refusing any client and the pay was exceptionally high, enough that she supported her child and herself in an upper-middle class lifestyle. She claimed to like it as a profession, and said it was in her opinion no more unpleasant than 'working a job where you looked after old men cleaning up their shit' and usually much better.
Otoh, an illiterate woman who worked as a pimp-free (you'd have to know this woman - she was an amazon and known to have half-killed a pimp who tried to make her work for him) street prostitute locally hated it and was thrilled to bits when she got a job as an exotic dancer and didn't have to sell her body outright anymore. :(
So glad to know I'm not alone, and of the company I find myself in.
I wrote a thing years ago at SC about prostitution which mentioned many of your points. Oolon and HNA hammered at me for it. Mainly for my last sentence which said that buying a prostitute was akin to rape in that it wasn't truly consensual sex.
Meh to them. I knew HNA irl but never saw him again after that.
I have mixed thoughts on both prostitution and porn. I don't think either should be illegal; that just sends it underground and makes things worse for the people involved who may be exploited/harmed.
I've known or been in contact with through work (granted, in the 70s and 80s) a number of women (and several men) who were prostitutes at some point in their lives. Some of the women had hated it, some had been coerced by a pimp at a very young age, some had been addicted to narcotics. But several, none of whom, notably, worked for a pimp, regarded it as having been a practical method of making money during a time when they were unskilled and other jobs they could get paid low wages.
One woman I knew would spend three or four months a year working for an escort service in NYC which was just a front for a call out prostitute place. She had the option of refusing any client and the pay was exceptionally high, enough that she supported her child and herself in an upper-middle class lifestyle. She claimed to like it as a profession, and said it was in her opinion no more unpleasant than 'working a job where you looked after old men cleaning up their shit' and usually much better.
Otoh, an illiterate woman who worked as a pimp-free (you'd have to know this woman - she was an amazon and known to have half-killed a pimp who tried to make her work for him) street prostitute locally hated it and was thrilled to bits when she got a job as an exotic dancer and didn't have to sell her body outright anymore. :(
Adenosine
29th March 2014, 02:55 PM
It is a multifaceted issue with a broad spectrum of people working within it. And I completely agree with not making it illegal. I think it is Sweden where it is legal to sell sex but not legal to buy it. As a counterpoint though they have huge assistance for anyone wishing to leave the industry.
To me the root cause of people selling themselves is education and unequal access to resources. Address those fundamental situations and watch many people's lives improve.
To me the root cause of people selling themselves is education and unequal access to resources. Address those fundamental situations and watch many people's lives improve.
MondoVman
29th March 2014, 08:05 PM
"it is legal to sell sex but not legal to buy it" (I can not parse this into meaning due to its A = not A wording.)
Literally? If so, then how does that work? Anyone, please give an example.
Literally? If so, then how does that work? Anyone, please give an example.
ericv00
29th March 2014, 08:10 PM
"it is legal to sell sex but not legal to buy it" (I can not parse this into meaning due to its A = not A wording.)
Literally? If so, then how does that work? Anyone, please give an example.
It means when prostitution occurs, the prostitute is not charged with a crime, but the person purchasing the service is.
Literally? If so, then how does that work? Anyone, please give an example.
It means when prostitution occurs, the prostitute is not charged with a crime, but the person purchasing the service is.
Requiem
29th March 2014, 11:05 PM
I just occasionally get creeped out when surrounded by religion. It's mostly the ritual language, which the religious never seem to realise tends towards the bloody, insane, and abusive, and which most would never apply in real life.
I'm interested in what you're saying here, I'm thinking of every expression from the Mass I can think of and okay, they're not ordinary discourse by a long-shot, but I get too much reaction and not enough reason out of what you're saying to see what your actual point is.
They don't seem to parse the meanings of the actual phrases about eating flesh and drinking blood, for example. Nothing in a typical service squicks me out more than the Eucharist.
Maybe that's because of how you mistakenly parse it.
Isn't it that the real problem Christians are the literalists? IOW, the ones who are doing what you decry others for not doing, i.e. insisting that they incorporate it all as logical/empirical sense rather than, erm, a more mythic structure.
I'm interested in what you're saying here, I'm thinking of every expression from the Mass I can think of and okay, they're not ordinary discourse by a long-shot, but I get too much reaction and not enough reason out of what you're saying to see what your actual point is.
They don't seem to parse the meanings of the actual phrases about eating flesh and drinking blood, for example. Nothing in a typical service squicks me out more than the Eucharist.
Maybe that's because of how you mistakenly parse it.
Isn't it that the real problem Christians are the literalists? IOW, the ones who are doing what you decry others for not doing, i.e. insisting that they incorporate it all as logical/empirical sense rather than, erm, a more mythic structure.
Requiem
29th March 2014, 11:16 PM
It is a multifaceted issue with a broad spectrum of people working within it. And I completely agree with not making it illegal. I think it is Sweden where it is legal to sell sex but not legal to buy it. As a counterpoint though they have huge assistance for anyone wishing to leave the industry.
To me the root cause of people selling themselves is education and unequal access to resources. Address those fundamental situations and watch many people's lives improve.
Major increases in tuition fees and the wholesale worldwide privatisation of higher education has produced a bumper crop of young women with increasingly limited options for getting on in life. If I'd had to support myself through Uni, I wouldn't have been able to do it, not on bar work. I might have made a living, but I'd never have passed the course.
But hey, a few hundred quid in my hand and it's just sex, right? I like sex. Then I can take a few nights off and get some study done.
Here's a thought, something which puzzles me and it's one of the things which set Freud thinking. Why and how did the dominatrix appear? The advent of this phenomena in the 1800s, where wealthy bourgeois and establishment individuals, people with social power, began entering into contracts specifying how much pain, where, for how long etc. It's an interesting phenomenon, and I think it says a lot without saying anything if you see my point.
To me the root cause of people selling themselves is education and unequal access to resources. Address those fundamental situations and watch many people's lives improve.
Major increases in tuition fees and the wholesale worldwide privatisation of higher education has produced a bumper crop of young women with increasingly limited options for getting on in life. If I'd had to support myself through Uni, I wouldn't have been able to do it, not on bar work. I might have made a living, but I'd never have passed the course.
But hey, a few hundred quid in my hand and it's just sex, right? I like sex. Then I can take a few nights off and get some study done.
Here's a thought, something which puzzles me and it's one of the things which set Freud thinking. Why and how did the dominatrix appear? The advent of this phenomena in the 1800s, where wealthy bourgeois and establishment individuals, people with social power, began entering into contracts specifying how much pain, where, for how long etc. It's an interesting phenomenon, and I think it says a lot without saying anything if you see my point.
borealis
30th March 2014, 12:29 AM
I just occasionally get creeped out when surrounded by religion. It's mostly the ritual language, which the religious never seem to realise tends towards the bloody, insane, and abusive, and which most would never apply in real life.
I'm interested in what you're saying here, I'm thinking of every expression from the Mass I can think of and okay, they're not ordinary discourse by a long-shot, but I get too much reaction and not enough reason out of what you're saying to see what your actual point is.
They don't seem to parse the meanings of the actual phrases about eating flesh and drinking blood, for example. Nothing in a typical service squicks me out more than the Eucharist.
Maybe that's because of how you mistakenly parse it.
Isn't it that the real problem Christians are the literalists? IOW, the ones who are doing what you decry others for not doing, i.e. insisting that they incorporate it all as logical/empirical sense rather than, erm, a more mythic structure.
Oh I understand the mythic structure, but it is still as savagely bloody as mythic structures come, a mime of ritual cannibalism, ingesting the divine, the imagery is repellent to me, and I say that as a person who has nothing but kind feelings towards much of what mainstream Christians believe and practice.
I have wondered if the last supper couldn't have been interpreted differently, and come down to us as a simple feast of remembrance and solidarity with the message of redemption, instead of pews, refectory tables, jugs of wine, platters of good bread, an actual communion and loving conversation among the congregation over food and warming drink, instead of the emphasis on blood and flesh.
I'm interested in what you're saying here, I'm thinking of every expression from the Mass I can think of and okay, they're not ordinary discourse by a long-shot, but I get too much reaction and not enough reason out of what you're saying to see what your actual point is.
They don't seem to parse the meanings of the actual phrases about eating flesh and drinking blood, for example. Nothing in a typical service squicks me out more than the Eucharist.
Maybe that's because of how you mistakenly parse it.
Isn't it that the real problem Christians are the literalists? IOW, the ones who are doing what you decry others for not doing, i.e. insisting that they incorporate it all as logical/empirical sense rather than, erm, a more mythic structure.
Oh I understand the mythic structure, but it is still as savagely bloody as mythic structures come, a mime of ritual cannibalism, ingesting the divine, the imagery is repellent to me, and I say that as a person who has nothing but kind feelings towards much of what mainstream Christians believe and practice.
I have wondered if the last supper couldn't have been interpreted differently, and come down to us as a simple feast of remembrance and solidarity with the message of redemption, instead of pews, refectory tables, jugs of wine, platters of good bread, an actual communion and loving conversation among the congregation over food and warming drink, instead of the emphasis on blood and flesh.
Adenosine
30th March 2014, 12:57 AM
It is a multifaceted issue with a broad spectrum of people working within it. And I completely agree with not making it illegal. I think it is Sweden where it is legal to sell sex but not legal to buy it. As a counterpoint though they have huge assistance for anyone wishing to leave the industry.
To me the root cause of people selling themselves is education and unequal access to resources. Address those fundamental situations and watch many people's lives improve.
Major increases in tuition fees and the wholesale worldwide privatisation of higher education has produced a bumper crop of young women with increasingly limited options for getting on in life. If I'd had to support myself through Uni, I wouldn't have been able to do it, not on bar work. I might have made a living, but I'd never have passed the course.
But hey, a few hundred quid in my hand and it's just sex, right? I like sex. Then I can take a few nights off and get some study done.
Here's a thought, something which puzzles me and it's one of the things which set Freud thinking. Why and how did the dominatrix appear? The advent of this phenomena in the 1800s, where wealthy bourgeois and establishment individuals, people with social power, began entering into contracts specifying how much pain, where, for how long etc. It's an interesting phenomenon, and I think it says a lot without saying anything if you see my point.
I direct you to the font of internet wisdom from where I derive my truths.
http://www.cracked.com/article_20963_5-truths-about-sexual-fetishes-a-dominatrixs-perspective.html
Especially number 4.
To me the root cause of people selling themselves is education and unequal access to resources. Address those fundamental situations and watch many people's lives improve.
Major increases in tuition fees and the wholesale worldwide privatisation of higher education has produced a bumper crop of young women with increasingly limited options for getting on in life. If I'd had to support myself through Uni, I wouldn't have been able to do it, not on bar work. I might have made a living, but I'd never have passed the course.
But hey, a few hundred quid in my hand and it's just sex, right? I like sex. Then I can take a few nights off and get some study done.
Here's a thought, something which puzzles me and it's one of the things which set Freud thinking. Why and how did the dominatrix appear? The advent of this phenomena in the 1800s, where wealthy bourgeois and establishment individuals, people with social power, began entering into contracts specifying how much pain, where, for how long etc. It's an interesting phenomenon, and I think it says a lot without saying anything if you see my point.
I direct you to the font of internet wisdom from where I derive my truths.
http://www.cracked.com/article_20963_5-truths-about-sexual-fetishes-a-dominatrixs-perspective.html
Especially number 4.
Adenosine
30th March 2014, 12:59 AM
I just occasionally get creeped out when surrounded by religion. It's mostly the ritual language, which the religious never seem to realise tends towards the bloody, insane, and abusive, and which most would never apply in real life.
I'm interested in what you're saying here, I'm thinking of every expression from the Mass I can think of and okay, they're not ordinary discourse by a long-shot, but I get too much reaction and not enough reason out of what you're saying to see what your actual point is.
They don't seem to parse the meanings of the actual phrases about eating flesh and drinking blood, for example. Nothing in a typical service squicks me out more than the Eucharist.
Maybe that's because of how you mistakenly parse it.
Isn't it that the real problem Christians are the literalists? IOW, the ones who are doing what you decry others for not doing, i.e. insisting that they incorporate it all as logical/empirical sense rather than, erm, a more mythic structure.
Oh I understand the mythic structure, but it is still as savagely bloody as mythic structures come, a mime of ritual cannibalism, ingesting the divine, the imagery is repellent to me, and I say that as a person who has nothing but kind feelings towards much of what mainstream Christians believe and practice.
I have wondered if the last supper couldn't have been interpreted differently, and come down to us as a simple feast of remembrance and solidarity with the message of redemption, instead of pews, refectory tables, jugs of wine, platters of good bread, an actual communion and loving conversation among the congregation over food and warming drink, instead of the emphasis on blood and flesh.
And I direct you to the other font of internet wisdom.
https://www.explosm.net/comics/3292/
I'm interested in what you're saying here, I'm thinking of every expression from the Mass I can think of and okay, they're not ordinary discourse by a long-shot, but I get too much reaction and not enough reason out of what you're saying to see what your actual point is.
They don't seem to parse the meanings of the actual phrases about eating flesh and drinking blood, for example. Nothing in a typical service squicks me out more than the Eucharist.
Maybe that's because of how you mistakenly parse it.
Isn't it that the real problem Christians are the literalists? IOW, the ones who are doing what you decry others for not doing, i.e. insisting that they incorporate it all as logical/empirical sense rather than, erm, a more mythic structure.
Oh I understand the mythic structure, but it is still as savagely bloody as mythic structures come, a mime of ritual cannibalism, ingesting the divine, the imagery is repellent to me, and I say that as a person who has nothing but kind feelings towards much of what mainstream Christians believe and practice.
I have wondered if the last supper couldn't have been interpreted differently, and come down to us as a simple feast of remembrance and solidarity with the message of redemption, instead of pews, refectory tables, jugs of wine, platters of good bread, an actual communion and loving conversation among the congregation over food and warming drink, instead of the emphasis on blood and flesh.
And I direct you to the other font of internet wisdom.
https://www.explosm.net/comics/3292/
MondoVman
30th March 2014, 08:43 AM
Exhibit A?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ba7_1396066171
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ba7_1396066171
Requiem
31st March 2014, 02:24 PM
I just occasionally get creeped out when surrounded by religion. It's mostly the ritual language, which the religious never seem to realise tends towards the bloody, insane, and abusive, and which most would never apply in real life.
I'm interested in what you're saying here, I'm thinking of every expression from the Mass I can think of and okay, they're not ordinary discourse by a long-shot, but I get too much reaction and not enough reason out of what you're saying to see what your actual point is.
They don't seem to parse the meanings of the actual phrases about eating flesh and drinking blood, for example. Nothing in a typical service squicks me out more than the Eucharist.Maybe that's because of how you mistakenly parse it.
Isn't it that the real problem Christians are the literalists? IOW, the ones who are doing what you decry others for not doing, i.e. insisting that they incorporate it all as logical/empirical sense rather than, erm, a more mythic structure.
Oh I understand the mythic structure, but it is still as savagely bloody as mythic structures come, a mime of ritual cannibalism, ingesting the divine, the imagery is repellent to me, and I say that as a person who has nothing but kind feelings towards much of what mainstream Christians believe and practice.
I have wondered if the last supper couldn't have been interpreted differently, and come down to us as a simple feast of remembrance and solidarity with the message of redemption, instead of pews, refectory tables, jugs of wine, platters of good bread, an actual communion and loving conversation among the congregation over food and warming drink, instead of the emphasis on blood and flesh.
Panis angelicus (Joao Lourenco Rebelo 1610-1661):
The bread of angels has become the bread of men. The heavenly bread gives a reality beyond symbols. O marvelous thing: the poor, wretched servant feeds on his master. (From Vespers yesterday).
First off I call it subversive. The whole master and slave dialectic is rendered null. The worldy "master" reaps where he does not sow, he feeds off the work of his slaves. He accesses all enjoyment via the service provided to him.
Second off, eating blood and flesh is a cultural oddity which exists outside of christian contexts and predates it. the sacrificial tendency is still with us, we just sacrifice to the market - call it austerity - the masters still feed of the servants.
Thirdly: he's clearly referring to symbolic content and its ability to generate 'reality': the sense of the world (catholicism is a realist philosophy, words/thoughts and reality co-exist, what we call reality is what we see and what we think of it - reality is a conceptual apparatus with which we approach the Real beyond symbolization). My point is that it completely subverts the logic of cannibalism, while representing the symbolic content of sacrificial rites which are common throughout mankind's history. I'm not a Jungian, but this tendency to sacrifice and fascination with blood says a lot about the human psyche, Christian doctrine on the atonement is able to redirect that tendency to harmless directions without repressing it.
I'm interested in what you're saying here, I'm thinking of every expression from the Mass I can think of and okay, they're not ordinary discourse by a long-shot, but I get too much reaction and not enough reason out of what you're saying to see what your actual point is.
They don't seem to parse the meanings of the actual phrases about eating flesh and drinking blood, for example. Nothing in a typical service squicks me out more than the Eucharist.Maybe that's because of how you mistakenly parse it.
Isn't it that the real problem Christians are the literalists? IOW, the ones who are doing what you decry others for not doing, i.e. insisting that they incorporate it all as logical/empirical sense rather than, erm, a more mythic structure.
Oh I understand the mythic structure, but it is still as savagely bloody as mythic structures come, a mime of ritual cannibalism, ingesting the divine, the imagery is repellent to me, and I say that as a person who has nothing but kind feelings towards much of what mainstream Christians believe and practice.
I have wondered if the last supper couldn't have been interpreted differently, and come down to us as a simple feast of remembrance and solidarity with the message of redemption, instead of pews, refectory tables, jugs of wine, platters of good bread, an actual communion and loving conversation among the congregation over food and warming drink, instead of the emphasis on blood and flesh.
Panis angelicus (Joao Lourenco Rebelo 1610-1661):
The bread of angels has become the bread of men. The heavenly bread gives a reality beyond symbols. O marvelous thing: the poor, wretched servant feeds on his master. (From Vespers yesterday).
First off I call it subversive. The whole master and slave dialectic is rendered null. The worldy "master" reaps where he does not sow, he feeds off the work of his slaves. He accesses all enjoyment via the service provided to him.
Second off, eating blood and flesh is a cultural oddity which exists outside of christian contexts and predates it. the sacrificial tendency is still with us, we just sacrifice to the market - call it austerity - the masters still feed of the servants.
Thirdly: he's clearly referring to symbolic content and its ability to generate 'reality': the sense of the world (catholicism is a realist philosophy, words/thoughts and reality co-exist, what we call reality is what we see and what we think of it - reality is a conceptual apparatus with which we approach the Real beyond symbolization). My point is that it completely subverts the logic of cannibalism, while representing the symbolic content of sacrificial rites which are common throughout mankind's history. I'm not a Jungian, but this tendency to sacrifice and fascination with blood says a lot about the human psyche, Christian doctrine on the atonement is able to redirect that tendency to harmless directions without repressing it.
Requiem
31st March 2014, 02:43 PM
It is a multifaceted issue with a broad spectrum of people working within it. And I completely agree with not making it illegal. I think it is Sweden where it is legal to sell sex but not legal to buy it. As a counterpoint though they have huge assistance for anyone wishing to leave the industry.
To me the root cause of people selling themselves is education and unequal access to resources. Address those fundamental situations and watch many people's lives improve.
Major increases in tuition fees and the wholesale worldwide privatisation of higher education has produced a bumper crop of young women with increasingly limited options for getting on in life. If I'd had to support myself through Uni, I wouldn't have been able to do it, not on bar work. I might have made a living, but I'd never have passed the course.
But hey, a few hundred quid in my hand and it's just sex, right? I like sex. Then I can take a few nights off and get some study done.
Here's a thought, something which puzzles me and it's one of the things which set Freud thinking. Why and how did the dominatrix appear? The advent of this phenomena in the 1800s, where wealthy bourgeois and establishment individuals, people with social power, began entering into contracts specifying how much pain, where, for how long etc. It's an interesting phenomenon, and I think it says a lot without saying anything if you see my point.
I direct you to the font of internet wisdom from where I derive my truths.
http://www.cracked.com/article_20963_5-truths-about-sexual-fetishes-a-dominatrixs-perspective.html
Especially number 4.
Lacan was there years ago.
His concept of objet petit a is a great representative of (the idea of) fetishistic content.
Consider the cross-dresser, his attachment to the mere cloth of woman's clothing contains something which is not in the cloth, not in woman as such, there is no atom of the 'stuff' which brings the satisfaction/enjoyment within the process. The cloth contains it symbolically, to the cross-dresser objet a is the hidden extra which makes sense of the activity: what he is trying to get out of it is the content of his own fantasy formation, something projected into the thing and so appearing as though it is inherent in it.
He makes the distinction between the object of desire: the food, the sexual practice, the power; the (real) thing I want - and the object cause of desire (what causes me to want it): I desire another person for what I see in them, what is in them 'more than themselves', what it is about them which I perceive and which attracts symbolically (i.e. consciously) regardless of physical (unconscious, 'chemical') attraction. Looking at romantic poetry, note how it could have all been addressed to the same Woman, some abstract woman who embodies all these noble properties and ideals. Note how she is never wise, though she frequently symbolizes wisdom; she is never physically or emotionally strong in herself, yet she is the claimed source of the author's strength.
To me the root cause of people selling themselves is education and unequal access to resources. Address those fundamental situations and watch many people's lives improve.
Major increases in tuition fees and the wholesale worldwide privatisation of higher education has produced a bumper crop of young women with increasingly limited options for getting on in life. If I'd had to support myself through Uni, I wouldn't have been able to do it, not on bar work. I might have made a living, but I'd never have passed the course.
But hey, a few hundred quid in my hand and it's just sex, right? I like sex. Then I can take a few nights off and get some study done.
Here's a thought, something which puzzles me and it's one of the things which set Freud thinking. Why and how did the dominatrix appear? The advent of this phenomena in the 1800s, where wealthy bourgeois and establishment individuals, people with social power, began entering into contracts specifying how much pain, where, for how long etc. It's an interesting phenomenon, and I think it says a lot without saying anything if you see my point.
I direct you to the font of internet wisdom from where I derive my truths.
http://www.cracked.com/article_20963_5-truths-about-sexual-fetishes-a-dominatrixs-perspective.html
Especially number 4.
Lacan was there years ago.
His concept of objet petit a is a great representative of (the idea of) fetishistic content.
Consider the cross-dresser, his attachment to the mere cloth of woman's clothing contains something which is not in the cloth, not in woman as such, there is no atom of the 'stuff' which brings the satisfaction/enjoyment within the process. The cloth contains it symbolically, to the cross-dresser objet a is the hidden extra which makes sense of the activity: what he is trying to get out of it is the content of his own fantasy formation, something projected into the thing and so appearing as though it is inherent in it.
He makes the distinction between the object of desire: the food, the sexual practice, the power; the (real) thing I want - and the object cause of desire (what causes me to want it): I desire another person for what I see in them, what is in them 'more than themselves', what it is about them which I perceive and which attracts symbolically (i.e. consciously) regardless of physical (unconscious, 'chemical') attraction. Looking at romantic poetry, note how it could have all been addressed to the same Woman, some abstract woman who embodies all these noble properties and ideals. Note how she is never wise, though she frequently symbolizes wisdom; she is never physically or emotionally strong in herself, yet she is the claimed source of the author's strength.
Requiem
31st March 2014, 03:09 PM
I just occasionally get creeped out when surrounded by religion. It's mostly the ritual language, which the religious never seem to realise tends towards the bloody, insane, and abusive, and which most would never apply in real life.
I'm interested in what you're saying here, I'm thinking of every expression from the Mass I can think of and okay, they're not ordinary discourse by a long-shot, but I get too much reaction and not enough reason out of what you're saying to see what your actual point is.
They don't seem to parse the meanings of the actual phrases about eating flesh and drinking blood, for example. Nothing in a typical service squicks me out more than the Eucharist.Maybe that's because of how you mistakenly parse it.
Isn't it that the real problem Christians are the literalists? IOW, the ones who are doing what you decry others for not doing, i.e. insisting that they incorporate it all as logical/empirical sense rather than, erm, a more mythic structure.
Oh I understand the mythic structure, but it is still as savagely bloody as mythic structures come, a mime of ritual cannibalism, ingesting the divine, the imagery is repellent to me, and I say that as a person who has nothing but kind feelings towards much of what mainstream Christians believe and practice.
I have wondered if the last supper couldn't have been interpreted differently, and come down to us as a simple feast of remembrance and solidarity with the message of redemption, instead of pews, refectory tables, jugs of wine, platters of good bread, an actual communion and loving conversation among the congregation over food and warming drink, instead of the emphasis on blood and flesh.
Panis angelicus (Joao Lourenco Rebelo 1610-1661):
The bread of angels has become the bread of men. The heavenly bread gives a reality beyond symbols. O marvelous thing: the poor, wretched servant feeds on his master. (From Vespers yesterday).
First off I call it subversive. The whole master and slave dialectic is rendered null. The worldy "master" reaps where he does not sow, he feeds off the work of his slaves. He accesses all enjoyment via the service provided to him.
Second off, eating blood and flesh is a cultural oddity which exists outside of christian contexts and predates it. the sacrificial tendency is still with us, we just sacrifice to the market - call it austerity - the masters still feed of the servants.
Thirdly: he's clearly referring to symbolic content and its ability to generate 'reality': the sense of the world (catholicism is a realist philosophy, words/thoughts and reality co-exist, what we call reality is what we see and what we think of it - reality is a conceptual apparatus with which we approach the Real beyond symbolization). My point is that it completely subverts the logic of cannibalism, while representing the symbolic content of sacrificial rites which are common throughout mankind's history. I'm not a Jungian, but this tendency to sacrifice and fascination with blood says a lot about the human psyche, Christian doctrine on the atonement is able to redirect that tendency to harmless directions without repressing it.
eta: to support my contentions re: signification, I would have to spend ages on Aquinas and signifiers. But basically, to him God is both simple (is not divided into different substances which can be literally consumed), and literally eaten at communion. He wasn't contradicting himself, he was just cleverer than most people. If you want a justification for the Church restricting interpretation to the priestly class, this is exactly where you'll find it.
Yesterdays sermon was hilarious for hitting on some things, like this catholic woman going around spamming mailboxes of anyone and everyone, with mystical visions and sayings supposedly communicated directly from God. He made jokes about her claims like "you'll be sent to Hell for not genuflecting". My point is that they're more subtle than you, and recognize the way you are conceiving of things as the very literalism they were fighting the tendency toward for centuries prior to Luther.
I'm interested in what you're saying here, I'm thinking of every expression from the Mass I can think of and okay, they're not ordinary discourse by a long-shot, but I get too much reaction and not enough reason out of what you're saying to see what your actual point is.
They don't seem to parse the meanings of the actual phrases about eating flesh and drinking blood, for example. Nothing in a typical service squicks me out more than the Eucharist.Maybe that's because of how you mistakenly parse it.
Isn't it that the real problem Christians are the literalists? IOW, the ones who are doing what you decry others for not doing, i.e. insisting that they incorporate it all as logical/empirical sense rather than, erm, a more mythic structure.
Oh I understand the mythic structure, but it is still as savagely bloody as mythic structures come, a mime of ritual cannibalism, ingesting the divine, the imagery is repellent to me, and I say that as a person who has nothing but kind feelings towards much of what mainstream Christians believe and practice.
I have wondered if the last supper couldn't have been interpreted differently, and come down to us as a simple feast of remembrance and solidarity with the message of redemption, instead of pews, refectory tables, jugs of wine, platters of good bread, an actual communion and loving conversation among the congregation over food and warming drink, instead of the emphasis on blood and flesh.
Panis angelicus (Joao Lourenco Rebelo 1610-1661):
The bread of angels has become the bread of men. The heavenly bread gives a reality beyond symbols. O marvelous thing: the poor, wretched servant feeds on his master. (From Vespers yesterday).
First off I call it subversive. The whole master and slave dialectic is rendered null. The worldy "master" reaps where he does not sow, he feeds off the work of his slaves. He accesses all enjoyment via the service provided to him.
Second off, eating blood and flesh is a cultural oddity which exists outside of christian contexts and predates it. the sacrificial tendency is still with us, we just sacrifice to the market - call it austerity - the masters still feed of the servants.
Thirdly: he's clearly referring to symbolic content and its ability to generate 'reality': the sense of the world (catholicism is a realist philosophy, words/thoughts and reality co-exist, what we call reality is what we see and what we think of it - reality is a conceptual apparatus with which we approach the Real beyond symbolization). My point is that it completely subverts the logic of cannibalism, while representing the symbolic content of sacrificial rites which are common throughout mankind's history. I'm not a Jungian, but this tendency to sacrifice and fascination with blood says a lot about the human psyche, Christian doctrine on the atonement is able to redirect that tendency to harmless directions without repressing it.
eta: to support my contentions re: signification, I would have to spend ages on Aquinas and signifiers. But basically, to him God is both simple (is not divided into different substances which can be literally consumed), and literally eaten at communion. He wasn't contradicting himself, he was just cleverer than most people. If you want a justification for the Church restricting interpretation to the priestly class, this is exactly where you'll find it.
Yesterdays sermon was hilarious for hitting on some things, like this catholic woman going around spamming mailboxes of anyone and everyone, with mystical visions and sayings supposedly communicated directly from God. He made jokes about her claims like "you'll be sent to Hell for not genuflecting". My point is that they're more subtle than you, and recognize the way you are conceiving of things as the very literalism they were fighting the tendency toward for centuries prior to Luther.
Cunt
3rd April 2014, 02:17 AM
A few years ago me and a friend (a guy) went into one of those XXX peep show places. I was really intrigued to look around in a Ripley's believe It Or Not - kind of way. But I noticed that the men became very uncomfortable about a female being there and I could feel the tension. One of the customers there even had a go at my male friend for bringing me - but it was my idea. That was an interesting experience ...
I worked at one of those, for some years. Women were definitely welcomed, though. Even if they did occasionally misbehave.
I worked at one of those, for some years. Women were definitely welcomed, though. Even if they did occasionally misbehave.
gib
13th July 2014, 12:26 AM
http://38.media.tumblr.com/4ffd83f31503cc3153081161478ba4ae/tumblr_n4q7e5OFd11s71q1zo1_r1_1280.png
borealis
13th July 2014, 12:30 AM
Lol.
gib
13th July 2014, 12:41 AM
http://31.media.tumblr.com/7f02e5e893db2fb05bc54c8e7dbbe453/tumblr_n0wxx3kKLb1s71q1zo1_1280.png
gib
13th July 2014, 12:43 AM
http://37.media.tumblr.com/0674db305f6c9f1bf3472729ee5f5567/tumblr_n0wudobLEc1s71q1zo1_1280.png
borealis
13th July 2014, 12:49 AM
Those are... uh... hot.
gib
13th July 2014, 12:52 AM
http://38.media.tumblr.com/68dc161fbe16eb1a5da7188c121ffda4/tumblr_n0wu612DgR1s71q1zo1_1280.png
Catavenger
26th February 2015, 03:04 AM
:staregonk: Looking at some of these links makes me realize why they say you will go blind! :christyes:
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