Democracy page 1
Exi5tentialist
17th January 2012, 01:09 AM
Democracy is like the Titanic. It steams confidently into the darkness, certain of its invulnerability.
nostrum
17th January 2012, 03:51 AM
OK so what are the icebergs in this metaphor?
Magicziggy
17th January 2012, 04:03 AM
OK so what are the icebergs in this metaphor?
Florida?
Florida?
nostrum
17th January 2012, 04:19 AM
OK so what are the icebergs in this metaphor?
Florida?
:hehe: good one
Florida?
:hehe: good one
Exi5tentialist
17th January 2012, 07:20 AM
OK so what are the icebergs in this metaphor?
Florida?
:yes:
Florida?
:yes:
Jerome
17th January 2012, 12:54 PM
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.
Hermit
17th January 2012, 01:17 PM
Democracy is 1000 sheep deciding to let 5 wolves have anything they want because they hope to become wolves themselves one day.
Jerome
17th January 2012, 01:19 PM
So you agree that taxing the working class is wrong?
Hermit
17th January 2012, 01:41 PM
So you agree that taxing the working class is wrong?I wasn't talking about taxation.
Gawdzilla
17th January 2012, 02:16 PM
Democracy is 1000 sheep deciding to let 5 wolves have anything they want because they hope to become wolves themselves one day.
Sounds like our Republicans.
Sounds like our Republicans.
Jerome
17th January 2012, 08:22 PM
So you agree that taxing the working class is wrong?I wasn't talking about taxation.
Sure you were, the working class votes to be taxed on their labor to be redistributed to the elite (1000 sheep deciding to let 5 wolves have anything they want)
Sure you were, the working class votes to be taxed on their labor to be redistributed to the elite (1000 sheep deciding to let 5 wolves have anything they want)
nostrum
17th January 2012, 09:24 PM
Let's talk about the deck chairs
Jerome
17th January 2012, 10:06 PM
Sort of, there will be a revaluation of the currency which will in reality take from the workers who have saved and give to the elite, but everyone will cheer this as a godsend.
devogue
17th January 2012, 11:23 PM
So let me get this straight:
Democracy is like the Titanic with wolves on the bridge and sheep on the iceberg while people from Florida throw deck chairs at Republicans?
Suddenly it all makes sense.
Democracy is like the Titanic with wolves on the bridge and sheep on the iceberg while people from Florida throw deck chairs at Republicans?
Suddenly it all makes sense.
Adenosine
17th January 2012, 11:25 PM
When does Leonardo DiCaprio die?
devogue
17th January 2012, 11:29 PM
When does Leonardo DiCaprio die?
After he has screwed some other man's fiancee, then she takes up a place in a boat before jumping out, leaving a space some poor child from Third Class could have taken, then she climbs to the back and her big fat arse splits the ship in two, then she won't shift the fuck over on the big bit of wood - that's when he dies, then she chucks a big diamond that would pay for 8.7 trillion meals for starving children in to the sea before she dies in the middle of a wet dream.
After he has screwed some other man's fiancee, then she takes up a place in a boat before jumping out, leaving a space some poor child from Third Class could have taken, then she climbs to the back and her big fat arse splits the ship in two, then she won't shift the fuck over on the big bit of wood - that's when he dies, then she chucks a big diamond that would pay for 8.7 trillion meals for starving children in to the sea before she dies in the middle of a wet dream.
Adenosine
17th January 2012, 11:30 PM
When does Leonardo DiCaprio die?
After he has screwed some other man's fiancee, then she takes up a place in a boat before jumping out, leaving a space some poor child from Third Class could have taken, then she climbs to the back and her big fat arse splits the ship in two, then she won't shift the fuck over on the big bit of wood - that's when he dies, then she chucks a big diamond that would pay for 8.7 trillion meals for starving children in to the sea before she dies in the middle of a wet dream.
Jeez, thanks. You could have spoilered it!
After he has screwed some other man's fiancee, then she takes up a place in a boat before jumping out, leaving a space some poor child from Third Class could have taken, then she climbs to the back and her big fat arse splits the ship in two, then she won't shift the fuck over on the big bit of wood - that's when he dies, then she chucks a big diamond that would pay for 8.7 trillion meals for starving children in to the sea before she dies in the middle of a wet dream.
Jeez, thanks. You could have spoilered it!
devogue
17th January 2012, 11:35 PM
When does Leonardo DiCaprio die?
After he has screwed some other man's fiancee, then she takes up a place in a boat before jumping out, leaving a space some poor child from Third Class could have taken, then she climbs to the back and her big fat arse splits the ship in two, then she won't shift the fuck over on the big bit of wood - that's when he dies, then she chucks a big diamond that would pay for 8.7 trillion meals for starving children in to the sea before she dies in the middle of a wet dream.
Jeez, thanks. You could have spoilered it!
This is Mindromp.
No bannings, no spoilers, no carburetors. (ooh, good tag...)
After he has screwed some other man's fiancee, then she takes up a place in a boat before jumping out, leaving a space some poor child from Third Class could have taken, then she climbs to the back and her big fat arse splits the ship in two, then she won't shift the fuck over on the big bit of wood - that's when he dies, then she chucks a big diamond that would pay for 8.7 trillion meals for starving children in to the sea before she dies in the middle of a wet dream.
Jeez, thanks. You could have spoilered it!
This is Mindromp.
No bannings, no spoilers, no carburetors. (ooh, good tag...)
Hermit
18th January 2012, 01:19 AM
So you agree that taxing the working class is wrong?I wasn't talking about taxation.
Sure you were...
Your confidence in knowing what I'm talking about is entirely misplaced.
Sure you were...
Your confidence in knowing what I'm talking about is entirely misplaced.
Cunt
18th January 2012, 02:12 AM
I missed the movie
Jerome
18th January 2012, 06:39 AM
When does Leonardo DiCaprio die?
at the end
at the end
devogue
18th January 2012, 07:57 AM
I missed the movie
When did it leave you? :[
When did it leave you? :[
Adenosine
18th January 2012, 09:38 AM
I missed the movie
The ship hit an iceberg and sank.
The ship hit an iceberg and sank.
devogue
18th January 2012, 11:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuSdU8tbcHY
Grumps
18th January 2012, 12:11 PM
De-rail aside, democracy is the evolving system where a population attempts to give the mob the power to effect change, and the most capable of us the power to moderate it.
Cunt
18th January 2012, 04:24 PM
De-rail aside, democracy is the evolving system where a population attempts to give the mob the power to effect change, and the most capable of us the power to moderate it.
Is the maxim 'one man person, one vote' essential to democracy?
Is the maxim 'one man person, one vote' essential to democracy?
Grumps
18th January 2012, 08:41 PM
De-rail aside, democracy is the evolving system where a population attempts to give the mob the power to effect change, and the most capable of us the power to moderate it.
Is the maxim 'one man person, one vote' essential to democracy?
Essential? Who knows? I've yet to come across a flawless democratic system.
It has certainly moved towards that direction, but only as education and literacy have come to those people first.
Is the maxim 'one man person, one vote' essential to democracy?
Essential? Who knows? I've yet to come across a flawless democratic system.
It has certainly moved towards that direction, but only as education and literacy have come to those people first.
Cunt
19th January 2012, 02:02 AM
I think a vote should be earned. And not just by surviving to an arbitrary number of days, either.
Grumps
19th January 2012, 05:59 AM
I think a vote should be earned. And not just by surviving to an arbitrary number of days, either.
The problem with the idea of 'earning' a vote, is that you imply there's a proper way to think about politics.
The problem with the idea of 'earning' a vote, is that you imply there's a proper way to think about politics.
Cunt
19th January 2012, 06:06 AM
Yup - best interest of the political group.
Grumps
19th January 2012, 06:08 AM
Yup - best interest of the political group.
Assuming "best interest" is an objective, universally testable and verifiable fact, sure.
But somehow I suspect the 'best interests' of a commercially inclined political group is quite distinct from the 'best interests' of hippie commune.
Assuming "best interest" is an objective, universally testable and verifiable fact, sure.
But somehow I suspect the 'best interests' of a commercially inclined political group is quite distinct from the 'best interests' of hippie commune.
Hermit
19th January 2012, 07:55 AM
democracy is the evolving system where a population attempts to give the mob the power to effect change, and the most capable of us the power to moderate it.That reminds me of a couple of quips by Winston Churchill.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Grumps
19th January 2012, 12:17 PM
democracy is the evolving system where a population attempts to give the mob the power to effect change, and the most capable of us the power to moderate it.That reminds me of a couple of quips by Winston Churchill.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
- Oscar Wilde
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
- Oscar Wilde
Gawdzilla
19th January 2012, 12:20 PM
Yup - best interest of the political group.
Like in Starship Troopers?
Like in Starship Troopers?
Hermit
19th January 2012, 01:13 PM
democracy is the evolving system where a population attempts to give the mob the power to effect change, and the most capable of us the power to moderate it.That reminds me of a couple of quips by Winston Churchill.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Democracy Communism means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
- Oscar Wilde
FIFY
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Democracy Communism means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
- Oscar Wilde
FIFY
devogue
19th January 2012, 01:19 PM
democracy is the evolving system where a population attempts to give the mob the power to effect change, and the most capable of us the power to moderate it.That reminds me of a couple of quips by Winston Churchill.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Democracy Communism means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
- Oscar Wilde
FIFY
Theocracy fits as well! :yay:
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Democracy Communism means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
- Oscar Wilde
FIFY
Theocracy fits as well! :yay:
Hermit
19th January 2012, 01:36 PM
democracy is the evolving system where a population attempts to give the mob the power to effect change, and the most capable of us the power to moderate it.That reminds me of a couple of quips by Winston Churchill.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Democracy Communism means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
- Oscar Wilde
FIFY
Theocracy fits as well! :yay:
Yes. And libertarianism.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Democracy Communism means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
- Oscar Wilde
FIFY
Theocracy fits as well! :yay:
Yes. And libertarianism.
Cunt
19th January 2012, 03:37 PM
Yup - best interest of the political group.
Like in Starship Troopers?
It's one reasonably effective way, but the military is a big bigoted against persons with disabilities at the moment. People like Stephen Hawking and Stevie Wonder should get a chance to vote.
I vote with a shovel. Also occasionally with scraps of paper.
Like in Starship Troopers?
It's one reasonably effective way, but the military is a big bigoted against persons with disabilities at the moment. People like Stephen Hawking and Stevie Wonder should get a chance to vote.
I vote with a shovel. Also occasionally with scraps of paper.
Grumps
19th January 2012, 03:45 PM
democracy is the evolving system where a population attempts to give the mob the power to effect change, and the most capable of us the power to moderate it.That reminds me of a couple of quips by Winston Churchill.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Democracy Communism means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
- Oscar Wilde
FIFY
Communism is the illusion of bludgeoning people by the people for the people. The reality is bludgeoning by a people in uniforms of the people who get told they ought to like it. For the greater good, of course.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Democracy Communism means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
- Oscar Wilde
FIFY
Communism is the illusion of bludgeoning people by the people for the people. The reality is bludgeoning by a people in uniforms of the people who get told they ought to like it. For the greater good, of course.
Gawdzilla
19th January 2012, 03:46 PM
Yup - best interest of the political group.
Like in Starship Troopers?
It's one reasonably effective way, but the military is a big bigoted against persons with disabilities at the moment. People like Stephen Hawking and Stevie Wonder should get a chance to vote.
I vote with a shovel. Also occasionally with scraps of paper.
I find the concept of earning the franchise to be attractive. R.A.H. suggested one way, but he allowed for the disabled to have the chance to earn it, as evidenced by his line about counting ball bearing (or something) by touch if the person had no other means to contribute.
Like in Starship Troopers?
It's one reasonably effective way, but the military is a big bigoted against persons with disabilities at the moment. People like Stephen Hawking and Stevie Wonder should get a chance to vote.
I vote with a shovel. Also occasionally with scraps of paper.
I find the concept of earning the franchise to be attractive. R.A.H. suggested one way, but he allowed for the disabled to have the chance to earn it, as evidenced by his line about counting ball bearing (or something) by touch if the person had no other means to contribute.
Hermit
19th January 2012, 03:59 PM
democracy is the evolving system where a population attempts to give the mob the power to effect change, and the most capable of us the power to moderate it.That reminds me of a couple of quips by Winston Churchill.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Democracy Communism means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
- Oscar Wilde
FIFY
Communism is the illusion of bludgeoning people by the people for the people. The reality is bludgeoning by a people in uniforms of the people who get told they ought to like it. For the greater good, of course.So, the difference is? If you think of business suits as a subset of uniforms, there's none.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Democracy Communism means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
- Oscar Wilde
FIFY
Communism is the illusion of bludgeoning people by the people for the people. The reality is bludgeoning by a people in uniforms of the people who get told they ought to like it. For the greater good, of course.So, the difference is? If you think of business suits as a subset of uniforms, there's none.
Grumps
19th January 2012, 06:20 PM
democracy is the evolving system where a population attempts to give the mob the power to effect change, and the most capable of us the power to moderate it.That reminds me of a couple of quips by Winston Churchill.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Democracy Communism means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
- Oscar Wilde
FIFY
Communism is the illusion of bludgeoning people by the people for the people. The reality is bludgeoning by a people in uniforms of the people who get told they ought to like it. For the greater good, of course.So, the difference is? If you think of business suits as a subset of uniforms, there's none.
When a man in a uniform tells you it's for the better, you believe them, or you fear them.
When a man in a suit tells you it's for the better, you smile and nod and then tell him to politely fuck off.
Democracy is just honest inequality, because we choose how to fuck ourselves over in the Ballot Box. You don't get a choice in any other system.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Democracy Communism means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
- Oscar Wilde
FIFY
Communism is the illusion of bludgeoning people by the people for the people. The reality is bludgeoning by a people in uniforms of the people who get told they ought to like it. For the greater good, of course.So, the difference is? If you think of business suits as a subset of uniforms, there's none.
When a man in a uniform tells you it's for the better, you believe them, or you fear them.
When a man in a suit tells you it's for the better, you smile and nod and then tell him to politely fuck off.
Democracy is just honest inequality, because we choose how to fuck ourselves over in the Ballot Box. You don't get a choice in any other system.
Hermit
20th January 2012, 12:30 AM
Democracy is just honest inequality, because we choose how to fuck ourselves over in the Ballot Box.
I don't know about the word 'choose', so, in so far as we keep voting in the John Howards and similar fuckers of the working classes Wilde is probably right with the quote you used above.
I don't know about the word 'choose', so, in so far as we keep voting in the John Howards and similar fuckers of the working classes Wilde is probably right with the quote you used above.
Grumps
20th January 2012, 04:57 AM
Democracy is just honest inequality, because we choose how to fuck ourselves over in the Ballot Box.
I don't know about the word 'choose', so, in so far as we keep voting in the John Howards and similar fuckers of the working classes Wilde is probably right with the quote you used above.
The key words being "we keep voting".
You can blame lobby groups or banks or the tooth fairy or whatever, but in the it's the people who choose their leaders.
What I like about democracy is that as social awareness changes, the system evolves.
I don't know about the word 'choose', so, in so far as we keep voting in the John Howards and similar fuckers of the working classes Wilde is probably right with the quote you used above.
The key words being "we keep voting".
You can blame lobby groups or banks or the tooth fairy or whatever, but in the it's the people who choose their leaders.
What I like about democracy is that as social awareness changes, the system evolves.
Robert_S
20th January 2012, 09:24 AM
Democracy is just honest inequality, because we choose how to fuck ourselves over in the Ballot Box.
I don't know about the word 'choose', so, in so far as we keep voting in the John Howards and similar fuckers of the working classes Wilde is probably right with the quote you used above.
The key words being "we keep voting".
You can blame lobby groups or banks or the tooth fairy or whatever, but in the it's the people who choose their leaders.
What I like about democracy is that as social awareness changes, the system evolves.
Two Cheers for Democracy: one because it admits variety and two because it permits criticism. Two cheers are quite enough: there is no occasion to give three.
I think there's a large problem in that the pool of potential candidates is limited to the sort of people who would want to hold a public office bad enough to run for one.
Until we can vote a person into office whether they want to hold it or not, we'll be stuck with politicians.
I don't know about the word 'choose', so, in so far as we keep voting in the John Howards and similar fuckers of the working classes Wilde is probably right with the quote you used above.
The key words being "we keep voting".
You can blame lobby groups or banks or the tooth fairy or whatever, but in the it's the people who choose their leaders.
What I like about democracy is that as social awareness changes, the system evolves.
Two Cheers for Democracy: one because it admits variety and two because it permits criticism. Two cheers are quite enough: there is no occasion to give three.
I think there's a large problem in that the pool of potential candidates is limited to the sort of people who would want to hold a public office bad enough to run for one.
Until we can vote a person into office whether they want to hold it or not, we'll be stuck with politicians.
Cunt
20th January 2012, 02:13 PM
Until we can vote a person into office whether they want to hold it or not, we'll be stuck with politicians.
That is utterly fucking beautiful, Robert_S!
That is utterly fucking beautiful, Robert_S!
Grumps
20th January 2012, 02:19 PM
Until we can vote a person into office whether they want to hold it or not, we'll be stuck with politicians.
That is utterly fucking beautiful, Robert_S!
It's absurd, and it's oppressive. You're stating that somebody's position in life ought to be dictated to them.
That is utterly fucking beautiful, Robert_S!
It's absurd, and it's oppressive. You're stating that somebody's position in life ought to be dictated to them.
Cunt
20th January 2012, 02:42 PM
Isn't it that way anyway, Grumps? Did you totally create your 'position' in life? Or did you have it dictated to you?
I think we all have stuff dictated to us. There are respectful ways of forcing folks to work for the country. Economic pressure for one (which is already used widely...do you have to work?)
I think we all have stuff dictated to us. There are respectful ways of forcing folks to work for the country. Economic pressure for one (which is already used widely...do you have to work?)
Jerome
20th January 2012, 10:27 PM
I think a vote should be earned. And not just by surviving to an arbitrary number of days, either.
:nada:
:nada:
Jerome
20th January 2012, 10:31 PM
I think there's a large problem in that the pool of potential candidates is limited to the sort of people who would want to hold a public office bad enough to run for one.
The choice is limited to those that tptb allow, you can tell by how any outside of the 'acceptable' choice is marginalized thru massive and universal propaganda.
The choice is limited to those that tptb allow, you can tell by how any outside of the 'acceptable' choice is marginalized thru massive and universal propaganda.
Grumps
21st January 2012, 04:26 AM
Isn't it that way anyway, Grumps? Did you totally create your 'position' in life? Or did you have it dictated to you?
I think we all have stuff dictated to us. There are respectful ways of forcing folks to work for the country. Economic pressure for one (which is already used widely...do you have to work?)
My position in life is limited, not dictated. I decide what jobs to apply for, what houses to rent, where I shop, what food I eat, where I go to school. Limitation has nothing do with dictated roles, it simply has to do whether someone else beat me to the punch. Whether someone else put that little but more effort, arrived that little bit earlier, worked that little bit harder.
Choice isn't about being able to choose what I want, when I want, on demand. Nonsense self-entitlement.
And that still doesn't address the problem of dictating someone's life to them, and stating that someone can only vote if they think in a way you believe is right.
I think we all have stuff dictated to us. There are respectful ways of forcing folks to work for the country. Economic pressure for one (which is already used widely...do you have to work?)
My position in life is limited, not dictated. I decide what jobs to apply for, what houses to rent, where I shop, what food I eat, where I go to school. Limitation has nothing do with dictated roles, it simply has to do whether someone else beat me to the punch. Whether someone else put that little but more effort, arrived that little bit earlier, worked that little bit harder.
Choice isn't about being able to choose what I want, when I want, on demand. Nonsense self-entitlement.
And that still doesn't address the problem of dictating someone's life to them, and stating that someone can only vote if they think in a way you believe is right.
Jerome
21st January 2012, 04:29 AM
My position in life is limited,
I disagree.
I disagree.
Cunt
21st January 2012, 05:10 AM
My position in life is limited, not dictated. I decide what jobs to apply for, what houses to rent, where I shop, what food I eat, where I go to school. Limitation has nothing do with dictated roles, it simply has to do whether someone else beat me to the punch. Whether someone else put that little but more effort, arrived that little bit earlier, worked that little bit harder.
Choice isn't about being able to choose what I want, when I want, on demand. Nonsense self-entitlement.
And that still doesn't address the problem of dictating someone's life to them, and stating that someone can only vote if they think in a way you believe is right.
So here is the model. You have a giant hopper for people who want to vote. If you want to vote, you jump into the hopper knowing that the government is going to use you in the most efficient way possible for the duration (say, 5 years with the possibility of it becoming a life sentence, in extreme cases)
If you don't want to vote, no problem. Enjoy the life, but you don't get to direct the government.
Now, when someone is in that hopper earning their vote, you can direct away, fairly.
Choice isn't about being able to choose what I want, when I want, on demand. Nonsense self-entitlement.
And that still doesn't address the problem of dictating someone's life to them, and stating that someone can only vote if they think in a way you believe is right.
So here is the model. You have a giant hopper for people who want to vote. If you want to vote, you jump into the hopper knowing that the government is going to use you in the most efficient way possible for the duration (say, 5 years with the possibility of it becoming a life sentence, in extreme cases)
If you don't want to vote, no problem. Enjoy the life, but you don't get to direct the government.
Now, when someone is in that hopper earning their vote, you can direct away, fairly.
Jerome
21st January 2012, 05:13 AM
lol
Cunt is a sadist
Cunt is a sadist
Grumps
22nd January 2012, 06:05 AM
My position in life is limited, not dictated. I decide what jobs to apply for, what houses to rent, where I shop, what food I eat, where I go to school. Limitation has nothing do with dictated roles, it simply has to do whether someone else beat me to the punch. Whether someone else put that little but more effort, arrived that little bit earlier, worked that little bit harder.
Choice isn't about being able to choose what I want, when I want, on demand. Nonsense self-entitlement.
And that still doesn't address the problem of dictating someone's life to them, and stating that someone can only vote if they think in a way you believe is right.
So here is the model. You have a giant hopper for people who want to vote. If you want to vote, you jump into the hopper knowing that the government is going to use you in the most efficient way possible for the duration (say, 5 years with the possibility of it becoming a life sentence, in extreme cases)
If you don't want to vote, no problem. Enjoy the life, but you don't get to direct the government.
Now, when someone is in that hopper earning their vote, you can direct away, fairly.
That still assumes the giant hopper is anyway a reliable measure of someone's ability to vote.
Choice isn't about being able to choose what I want, when I want, on demand. Nonsense self-entitlement.
And that still doesn't address the problem of dictating someone's life to them, and stating that someone can only vote if they think in a way you believe is right.
So here is the model. You have a giant hopper for people who want to vote. If you want to vote, you jump into the hopper knowing that the government is going to use you in the most efficient way possible for the duration (say, 5 years with the possibility of it becoming a life sentence, in extreme cases)
If you don't want to vote, no problem. Enjoy the life, but you don't get to direct the government.
Now, when someone is in that hopper earning their vote, you can direct away, fairly.
That still assumes the giant hopper is anyway a reliable measure of someone's ability to vote.
Cunt
22nd January 2012, 06:32 AM
That still assumes the giant hopper is anyway a reliable measure of someone's ability to vote.
Will to jump in that hopper is what is showing an aptitude for voting. Basically if you desire the vote, grab a shovel.
Will to jump in that hopper is what is showing an aptitude for voting. Basically if you desire the vote, grab a shovel.
Grumps
22nd January 2012, 09:49 PM
That still assumes the giant hopper is anyway a reliable measure of someone's ability to vote.
Will to jump in that hopper is what is showing an aptitude for voting. Basically if you desire the vote, grab a shovel.
It doesn't show a will to vote at all. Quite the opposite. It shows susceptibility to manipulation and control, to doing what someone else expects of you. That's hardly a quality that would help democracy.
Will to jump in that hopper is what is showing an aptitude for voting. Basically if you desire the vote, grab a shovel.
It doesn't show a will to vote at all. Quite the opposite. It shows susceptibility to manipulation and control, to doing what someone else expects of you. That's hardly a quality that would help democracy.
Jerome
22nd January 2012, 10:15 PM
You two seem to be in agreement.
:thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
Cunt
22nd January 2012, 10:31 PM
If you are willing to sacrifice your personal interests for the good of your community, I would say that there is a better chance you will vote similarly. How is that a bad thing?
Grumps
22nd January 2012, 10:38 PM
If you are willing to sacrifice your personal interests for the good of your community, I would say that there is a better chance you will vote similarly. How is that a bad thing?
Since when is the 'good of the community' a good thing? I'm sure you can think of a few times in history where challenging the 'good of the community' was absolutely necessary.
Such as, for example, ending racial segregation at schools.
Since when is the 'good of the community' a good thing? I'm sure you can think of a few times in history where challenging the 'good of the community' was absolutely necessary.
Such as, for example, ending racial segregation at schools.
Jerome
22nd January 2012, 10:45 PM
If you are willing to sacrifice your personal interests for the good of your community, I would say that there is a better chance you will vote similarly. How is that a bad thing?
Without a community there are no personal interests outside of solitude.
Without a community there are no personal interests outside of solitude.
Jerome
22nd January 2012, 10:47 PM
Since when is the 'good of the community' a good thing? I'm sure you can think of a few times in history where challenging the 'good of the community' was absolutely necessary.
Such as, for example, ending racial segregation at schools.
Remember that the North/Federals still had nigger slaves after the Emancipation Proclamation.
Such as, for example, ending racial segregation at schools.
Remember that the North/Federals still had nigger slaves after the Emancipation Proclamation.
Grumps
22nd January 2012, 10:49 PM
Since when is the 'good of the community' a good thing? I'm sure you can think of a few times in history where challenging the 'good of the community' was absolutely necessary.
Such as, for example, ending racial segregation at schools.
Remember that the North/Federals still had nigger slaves after the Emancipation Proclamation.
A practice that never lasted, precisely because people challenged was accepted.
Such as, for example, ending racial segregation at schools.
Remember that the North/Federals still had nigger slaves after the Emancipation Proclamation.
A practice that never lasted, precisely because people challenged was accepted.
Cunt
22nd January 2012, 10:56 PM
So did democracy end slavery?
When voting, I would like everyone to think of the best for the planet. That won't happen, so we have what we have. I think it's called tribalism or something...
When voting, I would like everyone to think of the best for the planet. That won't happen, so we have what we have. I think it's called tribalism or something...
Grumps
22nd January 2012, 11:05 PM
So did democracy end slavery?
When voting, I would like everyone to think of the best for the planet. That won't happen, so we have what we have. I think it's called tribalism or something...
Slavery still exists, so no. What it did permit was for a few nations, along with the rise of education and literacy, to disband slavery as the people - able to vote according their individual ideas, and with the educational basis to develop and understand more complex ideas - pushed towards emancipation and equality.
When voting, I would like everyone to think of the best for the planet. That won't happen, so we have what we have. I think it's called tribalism or something...
Slavery still exists, so no. What it did permit was for a few nations, along with the rise of education and literacy, to disband slavery as the people - able to vote according their individual ideas, and with the educational basis to develop and understand more complex ideas - pushed towards emancipation and equality.
Cunt
22nd January 2012, 11:14 PM
Where do you live? The Big Rock Candy Mountain? The old money still runs things, as far as the view from here. Emancipation...it would be nice, but where is it? Equality isn't possible either (or is it?)
Grumps
22nd January 2012, 11:30 PM
Where do you live? The Big Rock Candy Mountain? The old money still runs things, as far as the view from here. Emancipation...it would be nice, but where is it? Equality isn't possible either (or is it?)
Equality isn't possible? I'm sure that's what many women were thinking before suffrage. The problem with present day society has nothing to do with big powers, it has to do with public apathy.
I'm sure a short-term solution like mandated thinking sounds marvellous, but it's a paper boat.
Equality isn't possible? I'm sure that's what many women were thinking before suffrage. The problem with present day society has nothing to do with big powers, it has to do with public apathy.
I'm sure a short-term solution like mandated thinking sounds marvellous, but it's a paper boat.
Cunt
22nd January 2012, 11:56 PM
You really think equality is happening? Or just in regards to a few gender issues?
Grumps
23rd January 2012, 12:10 AM
You really think equality is happening? Or just in regards to a few gender issues?
Equality is happening. You seem to think it ought to be instantaneous, though. Social progress takes time, and to claim that things have not improved would be quite a lie.
Equality is happening. You seem to think it ought to be instantaneous, though. Social progress takes time, and to claim that things have not improved would be quite a lie.
Jerome
23rd January 2012, 12:22 AM
So did democracy end slavery?
The English didn't have democracy when they ended slavery.
The English didn't have democracy when they ended slavery.
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