For the love of MR... turn on the comments function page 1
nostrum
25th January 2012, 12:18 AM
PLEASE!
http://www.zhpmafia.com/forums/images/smilies/begging.gif
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Jerome
25th January 2012, 12:21 AM
Yes, what exactly is the holdup?
MSG
25th January 2012, 12:21 AM
The Temptations - Aint Too Proud To Beg - YouTube
oblivion
25th January 2012, 12:25 AM
results were pretty mixed in the previous thread (http://mindromp.org/forum/showthread.php?t=124).
I'd add a newfangled poll to that thread but I'm afraid someone would add a 160000000x1600000000 px goatse image and break it or something. :ohmy:
I'd add a newfangled poll to that thread but I'm afraid someone would add a 160000000x1600000000 px goatse image and break it or something. :ohmy:
Jerome
25th January 2012, 12:28 AM
Just turn them on and see how it goes, there is no outcry one way or the other, turn them off after a few days if people don't like it.
MSG
25th January 2012, 12:29 AM
tbh I think it's the not-TR people who haven't used the functionality & aren't quite sure what it's all about. not that I'm claiming everything about TR is better, [only the bits that that ravenscape person coded, perhaps,] but it is great being able to make a short, sharp response to someone that doesn't require 3 button-presses to send as a private message, and 5 more to open and read it.
man that sounds like such a first-world problem now I've typed it out :owned:
man that sounds like such a first-world problem now I've typed it out :owned:
nostrum
25th January 2012, 12:29 AM
TBH I think those that pooh-poohed the comment feature on the grounds that PMs can do the same thing, aren't actually saying no to the feature, more like they think from their POV that it is unnecessary.
And, I'm really not sure why comments are in any way being mixed up with a thanks or rep discussion, because they are not public things.
Not that I'm biased in any way http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w275/miles2cute/smiley/teddypram1.gif
And, I'm really not sure why comments are in any way being mixed up with a thanks or rep discussion, because they are not public things.
Not that I'm biased in any way http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w275/miles2cute/smiley/teddypram1.gif
nostrum
25th January 2012, 12:30 AM
results were pretty mixed in the previous thread (http://mindromp.org/forum/showthread.php?t=124).
I'd add a newfangled poll to that thread but I'm afraid someone would add a 160000000x1600000000 px goatse image and break it or something. :ohmy:
who'd do such a thing :hmmm:
I'd add a newfangled poll to that thread but I'm afraid someone would add a 160000000x1600000000 px goatse image and break it or something. :ohmy:
who'd do such a thing :hmmm:
nostrum
25th January 2012, 12:31 AM
tbh I think it's the not-TR people who haven't used the functionality & aren't quite sure what it's all about. not that I'm claiming everything about TR is better, [only the bits that that ravenscape person coded, perhaps,] but it is great being able to make a short, sharp response to someone that doesn't require 3 button-presses to send as a private message, and 5 more to open and read it.
man that sounds like such a first-world problem now I've typed it out :owned:
it's way more important than that :sadyes:
man that sounds like such a first-world problem now I've typed it out :owned:
it's way more important than that :sadyes:
oblivion
25th January 2012, 12:36 AM
TBH I think those that pooh-poohed the comment feature on the grounds that PMs can do the same thing, aren't actually saying no to the feature, more like they think from their POV that it is unnecessary.
And, I'm really not sure why comments are in any way being mixed up with a thanks or rep discussion, because they are not public things.
Not that I'm biased in any way http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w275/miles2cute/smiley/teddypram1.gif
comments are part of the rep system.
AFAIK TR was the first site to use only the comments part of the rep system. But, although it is what separates TR from the johnny-come-lately's, I feel confident that nobody's feelings would be hurt if we steal the idea.
And, I'm really not sure why comments are in any way being mixed up with a thanks or rep discussion, because they are not public things.
Not that I'm biased in any way http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w275/miles2cute/smiley/teddypram1.gif
comments are part of the rep system.
AFAIK TR was the first site to use only the comments part of the rep system. But, although it is what separates TR from the johnny-come-lately's, I feel confident that nobody's feelings would be hurt if we steal the idea.
oblivion
25th January 2012, 01:21 AM
With great trepidation, I've added a poll. It's set up to allow revotes and write-ins.
nostrum
25th January 2012, 01:23 AM
^ thanks!
first in!!
first in!!
charlou
25th January 2012, 03:39 AM
I'd vote to add it .. it's just another postcard message facility, I think.
nostrum
25th January 2012, 12:54 PM
woot... let's close this poll and get it installed already :D
divagreen
25th January 2012, 01:07 PM
I voted YES!!!!
It is easier to go through a thread and post a comment without ever actually leaving the thread plus one does not clutter up the thread with lols. Not that I would know anything about that.
eta: comments only - no rep count
It is easier to go through a thread and post a comment without ever actually leaving the thread plus one does not clutter up the thread with lols. Not that I would know anything about that.
eta: comments only - no rep count
ksen
25th January 2012, 01:09 PM
diva needs a private place to cuss me out in so I voted for comments.
divagreen
25th January 2012, 01:22 PM
diva needs a private place to cuss me out in so I voted for comments.
:yes:
:yes:
borealis
26th January 2012, 04:29 PM
I'd vote to add it .. it's just another postcard message facility, I think.
yes, but it's insanely easy and fast to use. Postcard messages require filling in title fields etc. Comments are instant - press button, write brief message, useful if you just want to privately say something that requires only a few words, especially if the post was 20 pages back in a thread and the conversation has evolved far from that point.
yes, but it's insanely easy and fast to use. Postcard messages require filling in title fields etc. Comments are instant - press button, write brief message, useful if you just want to privately say something that requires only a few words, especially if the post was 20 pages back in a thread and the conversation has evolved far from that point.
Grumps
27th January 2012, 10:53 AM
Just turn them on and see how it goes, there is no outcry one way or the other, turn them off after a few days if people don't like it.
Just leave them off, no need to see how it goes.
Just leave them off, no need to see how it goes.
Grumps
27th January 2012, 10:53 AM
I'd vote to add it .. it's just another postcard message facility, I think.
yes, but it's insanely easy and fast to use. Postcard messages require filling in title fields etc. Comments are instant - press button, write brief message, useful if you just want to privately say something that requires only a few words, especially if the post was 20 pages back in a thread and the conversation has evolved far from that point.
You just described the 'quote post in PM' button.
Why do you need two of precisely the same thing?
yes, but it's insanely easy and fast to use. Postcard messages require filling in title fields etc. Comments are instant - press button, write brief message, useful if you just want to privately say something that requires only a few words, especially if the post was 20 pages back in a thread and the conversation has evolved far from that point.
You just described the 'quote post in PM' button.
Why do you need two of precisely the same thing?
MSG
27th January 2012, 11:09 AM
it's not the same grumps. the comments feature is much quicker and easier to use to send a short response to someone. it doesn't require you to go into a new screen to type your message, nor for the recipient to open their visitor messages page and then open the message to receive it. on the flip side, you can't reply directly to a comment.
it's a feature that people who've come from TR are familiar with, and like.
it's a feature that people who've come from TR are familiar with, and like.
Grumps
27th January 2012, 11:26 AM
it's not the same grumps. the comments feature is much quicker and easier to use to send a short response to someone. it doesn't require you to go into a new screen to type your message, nor for the recipient to open their visitor messages page and then open the message to receive it. on the flip side, you can't reply directly to a comment.
it's a feature that people who've come from TR are familiar with, and like.
Oh, I know what it is.
It's a thing for impatient and lazy people who can't wait that half a second it takes to load the PM page.
Unless you're on dial up, but really that's your own fault in this day and age.
it's a feature that people who've come from TR are familiar with, and like.
Oh, I know what it is.
It's a thing for impatient and lazy people who can't wait that half a second it takes to load the PM page.
Unless you're on dial up, but really that's your own fault in this day and age.
MSG
27th January 2012, 11:33 AM
:oldmansay: :whyyou: :getoffmylawn:
divagreen
27th January 2012, 12:28 PM
it's not the same grumps. the comments feature is much quicker and easier to use to send a short response to someone. it doesn't require you to go into a new screen to type your message, nor for the recipient to open their visitor messages page and then open the message to receive it. on the flip side, you can't reply directly to a comment.
it's a feature that people who've come from TR are familiar with, and like.
Oh, I know what it is.
It's a thing for impatient and lazy intelliegent people who can't wait that half a second it takes to load the PM page believe in the concept of work smarter not harder.
fify
it's a feature that people who've come from TR are familiar with, and like.
Oh, I know what it is.
It's a thing for impatient and lazy intelliegent people who can't wait that half a second it takes to load the PM page believe in the concept of work smarter not harder.
fify
charlou
27th January 2012, 01:20 PM
They're not exactly the same, Grumps .. a couple of people have explained how they're different ... the comment thing is just a more convenient version of the postcard message ... Nothing to fear, imo. :)
charlou
27th January 2012, 01:22 PM
oh, missed half a page of posts .. heh.
borealis
27th January 2012, 03:50 PM
it's not the same grumps. the comments feature is much quicker and easier to use to send a short response to someone. it doesn't require you to go into a new screen to type your message, nor for the recipient to open their visitor messages page and then open the message to receive it. on the flip side, you can't reply directly to a comment.
it's a feature that people who've come from TR are familiar with, and like.
Oh, I know what it is.
It's a thing for impatient and lazy people who can't wait that half a second it takes to load the PM page.
Unless you're on dial up, but really that's your own fault in this day and age.
You do realise there's a sizeable minority of members who don't have as much choice in connection as you apparently have. There are lots of areas of Canada and likely the US where you are lucky to have dialup access, and even so-called high speed (best I can get) is slow and even intermittent.
You don't have to use the comment facility if you don't want to. Many of us find it convenient and extremely user friendly.
it's a feature that people who've come from TR are familiar with, and like.
Oh, I know what it is.
It's a thing for impatient and lazy people who can't wait that half a second it takes to load the PM page.
Unless you're on dial up, but really that's your own fault in this day and age.
You do realise there's a sizeable minority of members who don't have as much choice in connection as you apparently have. There are lots of areas of Canada and likely the US where you are lucky to have dialup access, and even so-called high speed (best I can get) is slow and even intermittent.
You don't have to use the comment facility if you don't want to. Many of us find it convenient and extremely user friendly.
nick
27th January 2012, 08:32 PM
Death to grumps
Amok
28th January 2012, 12:18 AM
Where would one see these messages? Would they jump up on your screen whenever someone sends one, or do you just get a notification along the lines of postcards waiting to be read?
Adenosine
28th January 2012, 12:20 AM
It's a notification.
oblivion
28th January 2012, 12:39 AM
21 people have voted so far. There are 18 votes for adding comments. I set the poll up for choosing multiple options. I thought a few more folks might vote for Book of Genesis than did. :D
nostrum
28th January 2012, 01:21 AM
soooooo... enough of a sample yet?
http://talkrational.org/images/smilies/dogstare.jpg
http://talkrational.org/images/smilies/dogstare.jpg
Grumps
28th January 2012, 11:51 AM
it's not the same grumps. the comments feature is much quicker and easier to use to send a short response to someone. it doesn't require you to go into a new screen to type your message, nor for the recipient to open their visitor messages page and then open the message to receive it. on the flip side, you can't reply directly to a comment.
it's a feature that people who've come from TR are familiar with, and like.
Oh, I know what it is.
It's a thing for impatient and lazy people who can't wait that half a second it takes to load the PM page.
Unless you're on dial up, but really that's your own fault in this day and age.
You do realise there's a sizeable minority of members who don't have as much choice in connection as you apparently have. There are lots of areas of Canada and likely the US where you are lucky to have dialup access, and even so-called high speed (best I can get) is slow and even intermittent.
You don't have to use the comment facility if you don't want to. Many of us find it convenient and extremely user friendly.
My internet is hardly admirable. I use a portable wireless USB broadband bought from an Australian phone network, one with chronic connection problems.
There's no need for a comment function, I can stand to wait the one to fifteen minutes it takes to load a page. If I think a post is important enough to comment on outside of the thread, then the wait isn't going to bother me.
it's a feature that people who've come from TR are familiar with, and like.
Oh, I know what it is.
It's a thing for impatient and lazy people who can't wait that half a second it takes to load the PM page.
Unless you're on dial up, but really that's your own fault in this day and age.
You do realise there's a sizeable minority of members who don't have as much choice in connection as you apparently have. There are lots of areas of Canada and likely the US where you are lucky to have dialup access, and even so-called high speed (best I can get) is slow and even intermittent.
You don't have to use the comment facility if you don't want to. Many of us find it convenient and extremely user friendly.
My internet is hardly admirable. I use a portable wireless USB broadband bought from an Australian phone network, one with chronic connection problems.
There's no need for a comment function, I can stand to wait the one to fifteen minutes it takes to load a page. If I think a post is important enough to comment on outside of the thread, then the wait isn't going to bother me.
Linus
28th January 2012, 02:15 PM
IMO, sometimes you want to make a trivial 1-5 word comment of the form "lol", "nice", etc. that feels too trivial to post in-thread or even as PM. The comment function is perfect for this!
charlou
28th January 2012, 02:15 PM
So don't use the comment thingo if you don't want to, Grumps. :thumbsup:
Grumps
28th January 2012, 02:17 PM
IMO, sometimes you want to make a trivial 1-5 word comment of the form "lol", "nice", etc. that feels too trivial to post in-thread or even as PM. The comment function is perfect for this!
So it's so utterly trivial as to not be said in the thread, or even via PM...
Is it really worth saying at all, then?
So it's so utterly trivial as to not be said in the thread, or even via PM...
Is it really worth saying at all, then?
Grumps
28th January 2012, 02:18 PM
So don't use the comment thingo if you don't want to, Grumps. :thumbsup:
And people are free to use the 'quote in PM' thingo if the feel it's worth commenting on.
And people are free to use the 'quote in PM' thingo if the feel it's worth commenting on.
Jerome
28th January 2012, 02:19 PM
Grumps, have you ever been in a meeting where you wanted to tell a single person something and didn't want to interrupt the flow of the meeting and you leaned over and semi-whispered a comment to them?
charlou
28th January 2012, 02:21 PM
Oh look .. we simultaneously ejaculated, Linus. :)
Hermit
28th January 2012, 02:35 PM
Grumps, have you ever been in a meeting where you wanted to tell a single person something and didn't want to interrupt the flow of the meeting and you leaned over and semi-whispered a comment to them?
You can do that already right now by clicking on this: http://mindromp.org/forum/images/buttons/sendtofriend.gif
You can do that already right now by clicking on this: http://mindromp.org/forum/images/buttons/sendtofriend.gif
Linus
28th January 2012, 02:39 PM
Oh look .. we simultaneously ejaculated, Linus. :)
We've must have become synchronized, I guess observing posting styles can do this.
We've must have become synchronized, I guess observing posting styles can do this.
Jerome
28th January 2012, 03:16 PM
Grumps, have you ever been in a meeting where you wanted to tell a single person something and didn't want to interrupt the flow of the meeting and you leaned over and semi-whispered a comment to them?
You can do that already right now by clicking on this: http://mindromp.org/forum/images/buttons/sendtofriend.gif
I just sent you a postcard.
You can do that already right now by clicking on this: http://mindromp.org/forum/images/buttons/sendtofriend.gif
I just sent you a postcard.
Jerome
28th January 2012, 03:19 PM
Seraph, what is the negative consequence of having this feature in your perspective?
Grumps
28th January 2012, 05:42 PM
Grumps, have you ever been in a meeting where you wanted to tell a single person something and didn't want to interrupt the flow of the meeting and you leaned over and semi-whispered a comment to them?
Have you ever bene on a forum where you continually ask for a function when there's another, pre-existing function, which does exactly what you're asking for?
Have you ever bene on a forum where you continually ask for a function when there's another, pre-existing function, which does exactly what you're asking for?
nostrum
28th January 2012, 05:52 PM
Will you promise never to use said function when it is switched on?
I think you might get a lot of comments :hehe: (it'll grow on you, I promise!)
Has nellikin been invited here?
I think you might get a lot of comments :hehe: (it'll grow on you, I promise!)
Has nellikin been invited here?
Jerome
28th January 2012, 06:32 PM
Have you ever bene on a forum where you continually ask for a function when there's another, pre-existing function, which does exactly what you're asking for?
Have you ever used a pen with a different diameter because it was more comfortable in the hand?
Have you ever used a pen with a different diameter because it was more comfortable in the hand?
Grumps
28th January 2012, 07:30 PM
Have you ever bene on a forum where you continually ask for a function when there's another, pre-existing function, which does exactly what you're asking for?
Have you ever used a pen with a different diameter because it was more comfortable in the hand?
Have you ever asked for a function on a forum, despite there being another function which provides the exact same service?
Have you ever used a pen with a different diameter because it was more comfortable in the hand?
Have you ever asked for a function on a forum, despite there being another function which provides the exact same service?
Grumps
28th January 2012, 07:31 PM
Will you promise never to use said function when it is switched on?
I think you might get a lot of comments :hehe: (it'll grow on you, I promise!)
Has nellikin been invited here?
Oh, I suppose I'll get the angry or indignant ones eventually. Quite frankly I don't expect a single one of them will have been worth the time it took to write them. The same has been true for indignant replies in threads or via pm.
Why a function that makes it easier to think less about what you're typing should improve them, I've no idea.
I think you might get a lot of comments :hehe: (it'll grow on you, I promise!)
Has nellikin been invited here?
Oh, I suppose I'll get the angry or indignant ones eventually. Quite frankly I don't expect a single one of them will have been worth the time it took to write them. The same has been true for indignant replies in threads or via pm.
Why a function that makes it easier to think less about what you're typing should improve them, I've no idea.
Jerome
28th January 2012, 08:20 PM
Being concise does not preclude long or difficult thought.
gib
28th January 2012, 08:39 PM
Death to grumps
:nada:
:nada:
Grumps
29th January 2012, 01:24 AM
Being concise does not preclude long or difficult thought.
It most certainly does, when the only reason you want this function is for something you don't think is either worth Sending a PM via an indentically operating system, or leave the comment in the thread itself.
It most certainly does, when the only reason you want this function is for something you don't think is either worth Sending a PM via an indentically operating system, or leave the comment in the thread itself.
nick
29th January 2012, 01:31 AM
shut the fuck up grumps
oblivion
29th January 2012, 01:46 AM
Being concise does not preclude long or difficult thought.
It most certainly does, when the only reason you want this function is for something you don't think is either worth Sending a PM via an indentically operating system, or leave the comment in the thread itself.
Not sure why one method of sending a personal note is ok or even desirable, but two methods are not.
vive la difference.
It most certainly does, when the only reason you want this function is for something you don't think is either worth Sending a PM via an indentically operating system, or leave the comment in the thread itself.
Not sure why one method of sending a personal note is ok or even desirable, but two methods are not.
vive la difference.
Jerome
29th January 2012, 01:59 AM
It most certainly does, when the only reason you want this function is for something you don't think is either worth Sending a PM via an indentically operating system, or leave the comment in the thread itself.
I will only be writing to you via pony express using quill and ink.
:p
I will only be writing to you via pony express using quill and ink.
:p
charlou
29th January 2012, 02:17 AM
Will you promise never to use said function when it is switched on?
I think you might get a lot of comments :hehe: (it'll grow on you, I promise!)
Has nellikin been invited here?
Oh, I suppose I'll get the angry or indignant ones eventually. Quite frankly I don't expect a single one of them will have been worth the time it took to write them. The same has been true for indignant replies in threads or via pm.
Why a function that makes it easier to think less about what you're typing should improve them, I've no idea.
The first comment I send you shall be :hug: .. even though I've posted it in the thread, I'll send it as a comment too. I have put a lot of thought into this and decided I really do want to send you a :hug: in lieu of a comment.
I think you might get a lot of comments :hehe: (it'll grow on you, I promise!)
Has nellikin been invited here?
Oh, I suppose I'll get the angry or indignant ones eventually. Quite frankly I don't expect a single one of them will have been worth the time it took to write them. The same has been true for indignant replies in threads or via pm.
Why a function that makes it easier to think less about what you're typing should improve them, I've no idea.
The first comment I send you shall be :hug: .. even though I've posted it in the thread, I'll send it as a comment too. I have put a lot of thought into this and decided I really do want to send you a :hug: in lieu of a comment.
Grumps
29th January 2012, 03:58 AM
shut the fuck up grumps
Waah, waah.
Waah, waah.
Grumps
29th January 2012, 04:00 AM
Being concise does not preclude long or difficult thought.
It most certainly does, when the only reason you want this function is for something you don't think is either worth Sending a PM via an indentically operating system, or leave the comment in the thread itself.
Not sure why one method of sending a personal note is ok or even desirable, but two methods are not.
vive la difference.
It's actually two ways of sending the exact same thing.
It's undesireable because there's no damn point to it. At the very best it will be a lot of 'lol' messages, at the very worst it will make it easier for people to post without considering what they're replying to, or why.
You can already send a post-specific message via a PM button. Why you need a second function that does exactly that same thing, I'm not entirely sure, and nobody has been able to explain.
It most certainly does, when the only reason you want this function is for something you don't think is either worth Sending a PM via an indentically operating system, or leave the comment in the thread itself.
Not sure why one method of sending a personal note is ok or even desirable, but two methods are not.
vive la difference.
It's actually two ways of sending the exact same thing.
It's undesireable because there's no damn point to it. At the very best it will be a lot of 'lol' messages, at the very worst it will make it easier for people to post without considering what they're replying to, or why.
You can already send a post-specific message via a PM button. Why you need a second function that does exactly that same thing, I'm not entirely sure, and nobody has been able to explain.
MSG
29th January 2012, 04:03 AM
Everyone has been able to, but you haven't been able to understand them.
Jesus Christ grumps, let it go. Why do you even care?
Jesus Christ grumps, let it go. Why do you even care?
Grumps
29th January 2012, 04:17 AM
Everyone has been able to, but you haven't been able to understand them.
Jesus Christ grumps, let it go. Why do you even care?
No, you've all just stated "I want what I already have". Nobody has yet explained why they need two identical functions.
And why do I care?
Why do you lot care enough to advocate for the function?
Jesus Christ grumps, let it go. Why do you even care?
No, you've all just stated "I want what I already have". Nobody has yet explained why they need two identical functions.
And why do I care?
Why do you lot care enough to advocate for the function?
MSG
29th January 2012, 04:21 AM
Because we want it, and having the function available won't hurt anyone who doesn't want it?
Hermit
29th January 2012, 04:24 AM
Everyone has been able to, but you haven't been able to understand them.
Not quite everyone. I too cannot see evidence that the proposed comment facility has any features that the already available message facility you get by clicking on this button (http://mindromp.org/forum/images/buttons/sendtofriend.gif) does not have.
Having said that, and keeping in mind that the vast majority of members who voted in the poll do want another comments function, I quite readily accept its introduction. After all, duplicating a feature set is not going to spell the end of the forum, is it?
Not quite everyone. I too cannot see evidence that the proposed comment facility has any features that the already available message facility you get by clicking on this button (http://mindromp.org/forum/images/buttons/sendtofriend.gif) does not have.
Having said that, and keeping in mind that the vast majority of members who voted in the poll do want another comments function, I quite readily accept its introduction. After all, duplicating a feature set is not going to spell the end of the forum, is it?
oblivion
29th January 2012, 04:24 AM
Everyone has been able to, but you haven't been able to understand them.
Jesus Christ grumps, let it go. Why do you even care?
No, you've all just stated "I want what I already have". Nobody has yet explained why they need two identical functions.
And why do I care?
Why do you lot care enough to advocate for the function?
I'm not particularly advocating it or not, though I see that there's a pretty strong interest in having it here.
I'm trying (in my small way) to have this forum offer analogues to features that people who are used to PHPBB expect in a forum. long-term vbulletin users are similar - they want links and buttons in the right place, not inconveniently buried behind 3 or 4 mouseclicks.
Jesus Christ grumps, let it go. Why do you even care?
No, you've all just stated "I want what I already have". Nobody has yet explained why they need two identical functions.
And why do I care?
Why do you lot care enough to advocate for the function?
I'm not particularly advocating it or not, though I see that there's a pretty strong interest in having it here.
I'm trying (in my small way) to have this forum offer analogues to features that people who are used to PHPBB expect in a forum. long-term vbulletin users are similar - they want links and buttons in the right place, not inconveniently buried behind 3 or 4 mouseclicks.
Grumps
29th January 2012, 04:27 AM
Because we want it, and having the function available won't hurt anyone who doesn't want it?
I don't want it, and leaving the function out won't hurt anyone who does want it.
I don't want it, and leaving the function out won't hurt anyone who does want it.
Grumps
29th January 2012, 04:28 AM
After all, duplicating a feature set is not going to spell the end of the forum, is it?
Challenge accepted.
Challenge accepted.
oblivion
29th January 2012, 04:29 AM
Because we want it, and having the function available won't hurt anyone who doesn't want it?
I don't want it, and leaving the function out won't hurt anyone who does want it.
You can configure your profile so that you won't receive (or be able to leave) comments. If you don't want it, you don't have to have it.
I don't want it, and leaving the function out won't hurt anyone who does want it.
You can configure your profile so that you won't receive (or be able to leave) comments. If you don't want it, you don't have to have it.
Grumps
29th January 2012, 04:39 AM
Because we want it, and having the function available won't hurt anyone who doesn't want it?
I don't want it, and leaving the function out won't hurt anyone who does want it.
You can configure your profile so that you won't receive (or be able to leave) comments. If you don't want it, you don't have to have it.
That's not actually my reasoning, I was pointing out how much a non-answer that post was.
"Because we want it" is not a reason, at best it's an impulse.
I explained earlier that my problem is the entire thing makes it easier for people to make nonsense comments without thinking about what they're writing. That people are advocating it expressly for the purpose of making comments that aren't worth making, and that it's an all around superfluous little function.
I propose we rename it "nonsense comments", and the submit button should read "add nothing of value". Seems pretty in line with what people are saying it is.
I don't want it, and leaving the function out won't hurt anyone who does want it.
You can configure your profile so that you won't receive (or be able to leave) comments. If you don't want it, you don't have to have it.
That's not actually my reasoning, I was pointing out how much a non-answer that post was.
"Because we want it" is not a reason, at best it's an impulse.
I explained earlier that my problem is the entire thing makes it easier for people to make nonsense comments without thinking about what they're writing. That people are advocating it expressly for the purpose of making comments that aren't worth making, and that it's an all around superfluous little function.
I propose we rename it "nonsense comments", and the submit button should read "add nothing of value". Seems pretty in line with what people are saying it is.
nick
29th January 2012, 04:40 AM
Shut the fuck up
MSG
29th January 2012, 04:40 AM
how do you measure the value of a posting on an internet forum?
Magicziggy
29th January 2012, 05:07 AM
I value nonsense
oblivion
29th January 2012, 05:10 AM
nonsense comments. I like it.
Skeeve
29th January 2012, 05:13 AM
Post comments and Postcards are NOT the same thing.
Why has everyone gone along with this fallacy?
Why has everyone gone along with this fallacy?
MSG
29th January 2012, 05:14 AM
so we can keep up the aspie thrust & parry conversation?
Skeeve
29th January 2012, 05:14 AM
Oh
divagreen
29th January 2012, 05:21 AM
lol. I think this site is bringing out MSG's darkside. :awwgee:
nostrum
29th January 2012, 05:39 AM
shit... see, there are several posts I want to send comments to the poster about... but I can't...
this is like a band-aid situation, but in reverse...
this is like a band-aid situation, but in reverse...
Hermit
29th January 2012, 07:18 AM
Post comments and Postcards are NOT the same thing.What IS the difference between them then?
Hermit
29th January 2012, 07:22 AM
shit... see, there are several posts I want to send comments to the poster about... but I can't...
You can. Just click on this ---> http://mindromp.org/forum/images/buttons/sendtofriend.gif.
You can. Just click on this ---> http://mindromp.org/forum/images/buttons/sendtofriend.gif.
MSG
29th January 2012, 07:43 AM
Post comments and Postcards are NOT the same thing.What IS the difference between them then?
... the comments feature is much quicker and easier to use to send a short response to someone. it doesn't require you to go into a new screen to type your message, nor for the recipient to open their visitor messages page and then open the message to receive it. on the flip side, you can't reply directly to a comment.
it's a feature that people who've come from TR are familiar with, and like.
IMO, sometimes you want to make a trivial 1-5 word comment of the form "lol", "nice", etc. that feels too trivial to post in-thread or even as PM. The comment function is perfect for this!
:nada:
... the comments feature is much quicker and easier to use to send a short response to someone. it doesn't require you to go into a new screen to type your message, nor for the recipient to open their visitor messages page and then open the message to receive it. on the flip side, you can't reply directly to a comment.
it's a feature that people who've come from TR are familiar with, and like.
IMO, sometimes you want to make a trivial 1-5 word comment of the form "lol", "nice", etc. that feels too trivial to post in-thread or even as PM. The comment function is perfect for this!
:nada:
Hermit
29th January 2012, 08:02 AM
Post comments and Postcards are NOT the same thing.What IS the difference between them then?
... the comments feature is much quicker and easier to use to send a short response to someone. it doesn't require you to go into a new screen to type your message, nor for the recipient to open their visitor messages page and then open the message to receive it. on the flip side, you can't reply directly to a comment.
Oh, I see. I must have missed that earlier. Thanks. In conjunction with the second "feature" it really turns out to be a must-have after all.
This is an excellent example of why polls you can change your vote in are such a good idea.
... the comments feature is much quicker and easier to use to send a short response to someone. it doesn't require you to go into a new screen to type your message, nor for the recipient to open their visitor messages page and then open the message to receive it. on the flip side, you can't reply directly to a comment.
Oh, I see. I must have missed that earlier. Thanks. In conjunction with the second "feature" it really turns out to be a must-have after all.
This is an excellent example of why polls you can change your vote in are such a good idea.
Jerome
29th January 2012, 09:02 AM
at the very worst it will make it easier for people to post without considering what they're replying to, or why.
lol
Are you new to the internets, nothing will ever stop people from not considering what they are replying to!!!
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
lol
Are you new to the internets, nothing will ever stop people from not considering what they are replying to!!!
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
gib
29th January 2012, 09:57 AM
next item on the agenda: tag clouds
MSG
29th January 2012, 09:59 AM
:hair:
nostrum
29th January 2012, 10:01 AM
Post comments and Postcards are NOT the same thing.What IS the difference between them then?
... the comments feature is much quicker and easier to use to send a short response to someone. it doesn't require you to go into a new screen to type your message, nor for the recipient to open their visitor messages page and then open the message to receive it. on the flip side, you can't reply directly to a comment.
Oh, I see. I must have missed that earlier. Thanks. In conjunction with the second "feature" it really turns out to be a must-have after all.
This is an excellent example of why polls you can change your vote in are such a good idea.
...and yet... the ayes total hasn't changed... :colbert:
... the comments feature is much quicker and easier to use to send a short response to someone. it doesn't require you to go into a new screen to type your message, nor for the recipient to open their visitor messages page and then open the message to receive it. on the flip side, you can't reply directly to a comment.
Oh, I see. I must have missed that earlier. Thanks. In conjunction with the second "feature" it really turns out to be a must-have after all.
This is an excellent example of why polls you can change your vote in are such a good idea.
...and yet... the ayes total hasn't changed... :colbert:
nostrum
29th January 2012, 10:01 AM
next item on the agenda: tag clouds
you're shitting me... we don't have those? :ohmy:
you're shitting me... we don't have those? :ohmy:
Hermit
29th January 2012, 10:13 AM
Post comments and Postcards are NOT the same thing.What IS the difference between them then?
... the comments feature is much quicker and easier to use to send a short response to someone. it doesn't require you to go into a new screen to type your message, nor for the recipient to open their visitor messages page and then open the message to receive it. on the flip side, you can't reply directly to a comment.
Oh, I see. I must have missed that earlier. Thanks. In conjunction with the second "feature" it really turns out to be a must-have after all.
This is an excellent example of why polls you can change your vote in are such a good idea.
...and yet... the ayes total hasn't changed... :colbert:That's because the change I made was to add <Book of Genesis> to the options I ticked. :p Thanks to your post, though, I feel inspired to make yet another change. See if you can spot it. (Hint: Click on any vote tally number in this poll to find out who voted for what.)
... the comments feature is much quicker and easier to use to send a short response to someone. it doesn't require you to go into a new screen to type your message, nor for the recipient to open their visitor messages page and then open the message to receive it. on the flip side, you can't reply directly to a comment.
Oh, I see. I must have missed that earlier. Thanks. In conjunction with the second "feature" it really turns out to be a must-have after all.
This is an excellent example of why polls you can change your vote in are such a good idea.
...and yet... the ayes total hasn't changed... :colbert:That's because the change I made was to add <Book of Genesis> to the options I ticked. :p Thanks to your post, though, I feel inspired to make yet another change. See if you can spot it. (Hint: Click on any vote tally number in this poll to find out who voted for what.)
Grumps
29th January 2012, 11:11 AM
Shut the fuck up
Aww. Suffering from sandy vagina syndrome?
Aww. Suffering from sandy vagina syndrome?
nick
29th January 2012, 02:22 PM
Shut the fuck up
Grumps
29th January 2012, 08:38 PM
Shut the fuck up
I am amused. Please, continue.
I am amused. Please, continue.
nick
29th January 2012, 09:28 PM
Shut the fuck up
:nada:
:nada:
Cunt
29th January 2012, 10:42 PM
I propose we rename it "nonsense comments", and the submit button should read "add nothing of value". Seems pretty in line with what people are saying it is.
I think we should go with Grumps' suggestion here, about having a comments button and naming it thusly. Thanks for the suggestion, Grumps. I am off to vote!
nonsense comments. I like it.
Me too, but I want to give Grumps a chance to offer how it might interfere with our core values/ethos. So far, it has just been his preference for not duplicating functionality. As long as it doesn't interfere, I am happy to let it happen.
I think we should go with Grumps' suggestion here, about having a comments button and naming it thusly. Thanks for the suggestion, Grumps. I am off to vote!
nonsense comments. I like it.
Me too, but I want to give Grumps a chance to offer how it might interfere with our core values/ethos. So far, it has just been his preference for not duplicating functionality. As long as it doesn't interfere, I am happy to let it happen.
gib
29th January 2012, 10:46 PM
it's not so much add nothing of value as it is Say stuff that's not worth posting
private shitpost if you prefer
private shitpost if you prefer
gib
29th January 2012, 10:49 PM
interfere with our core values/ethos
:nada:
:nada:
nostrum
29th January 2012, 10:59 PM
Post comments and Postcards are NOT the same thing.What IS the difference between them then?
... the comments feature is much quicker and easier to use to send a short response to someone. it doesn't require you to go into a new screen to type your message, nor for the recipient to open their visitor messages page and then open the message to receive it. on the flip side, you can't reply directly to a comment.
Oh, I see. I must have missed that earlier. Thanks. In conjunction with the second "feature" it really turns out to be a must-have after all.
This is an excellent example of why polls you can change your vote in are such a good idea.
...and yet... the ayes total hasn't changed... :colbert:That's because the change I made was to add <Book of Genesis> to the options I ticked. :p Thanks to your post, though, I feel inspired to make yet another change. See if you can spot it. (Hint: Click on any vote tally number in this poll to find out who voted for what.)
:hehe: well... as long as you aren't just rabble rousing :p
... the comments feature is much quicker and easier to use to send a short response to someone. it doesn't require you to go into a new screen to type your message, nor for the recipient to open their visitor messages page and then open the message to receive it. on the flip side, you can't reply directly to a comment.
Oh, I see. I must have missed that earlier. Thanks. In conjunction with the second "feature" it really turns out to be a must-have after all.
This is an excellent example of why polls you can change your vote in are such a good idea.
...and yet... the ayes total hasn't changed... :colbert:That's because the change I made was to add <Book of Genesis> to the options I ticked. :p Thanks to your post, though, I feel inspired to make yet another change. See if you can spot it. (Hint: Click on any vote tally number in this poll to find out who voted for what.)
:hehe: well... as long as you aren't just rabble rousing :p
charlou
29th January 2012, 10:59 PM
can we have a button for nonsense comments and a button for serious comments and a button for saying "ni"?
nostrum
29th January 2012, 11:01 PM
...and a GLOMP button too
charlou
29th January 2012, 11:04 PM
and a wedgie button ... for balance?
nostrum
29th January 2012, 11:06 PM
it's only fair
Jerome
29th January 2012, 11:54 PM
Can we have a button for saying "ni"?
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
oblivion
29th January 2012, 11:55 PM
don't look to me to make all the buttons. :colbert:
nostrum
30th January 2012, 12:01 AM
don't look to me to make all the buttons. :colbert:
:sadcheer:
ok... a compromise.. how about just one for comments? ;]
:sadcheer:
ok... a compromise.. how about just one for comments? ;]
oblivion
30th January 2012, 12:12 AM
:yes:
gib
30th January 2012, 12:19 AM
everyone remember to comment on all grump's posts
Fuzzy
30th January 2012, 12:21 AM
lets get as many buttons as possible so that we push them all at once
gib
30th January 2012, 12:23 AM
comment: haha
Cunt
30th January 2012, 12:36 AM
Comment: That was frivolous and a complete waste of effort. It added nothing to the value of this thread.
charlou
30th January 2012, 12:53 AM
I see we have the comment box .. can we get rid of the rep bit of it, please?
oblivion
30th January 2012, 01:00 AM
working on removing all references to rep...
Grumps
30th January 2012, 01:00 AM
I propose we rename it "nonsense comments", and the submit button should read "add nothing of value". Seems pretty in line with what people are saying it is.
I think we should go with Grumps' suggestion here, about having a comments button and naming it thusly. Thanks for the suggestion, Grumps. I am off to vote!
nonsense comments. I like it.
Me too, but I want to give Grumps a chance to offer how it might interfere with our core values/ethos. So far, it has just been his preference for not duplicating functionality. As long as it doesn't interfere, I am happy to let it happen.
Interfere? I never said it would interfere with core values or ethos. I just don't like the facebook effect.
I think we should go with Grumps' suggestion here, about having a comments button and naming it thusly. Thanks for the suggestion, Grumps. I am off to vote!
nonsense comments. I like it.
Me too, but I want to give Grumps a chance to offer how it might interfere with our core values/ethos. So far, it has just been his preference for not duplicating functionality. As long as it doesn't interfere, I am happy to let it happen.
Interfere? I never said it would interfere with core values or ethos. I just don't like the facebook effect.
Grumps
30th January 2012, 01:02 AM
everyone remember to comment on all grump's posts
The longer you do this without repetition, the more impressed I'll be.
Person who is consistently original will receive a prize.
*Prize will not be honoured.
The longer you do this without repetition, the more impressed I'll be.
Person who is consistently original will receive a prize.
*Prize will not be honoured.
oblivion
30th January 2012, 01:36 AM
ok...I think that's done...
nick
30th January 2012, 01:49 AM
I see we have the comment box .. can we get rid of the rep bit of it, please?
wtf is wrong with rep?
wtf is wrong with rep?
charlou
30th January 2012, 02:33 AM
wtf is right with rep, Nick? I voted against it because it's a popularity thing we don't need here.
It's still there, ob. I never noticed .. does the TR version have rep?
It's still there, ob. I never noticed .. does the TR version have rep?
oblivion
30th January 2012, 02:34 AM
the tr version does not have rep. where are you seeing the word rep?
charlou
30th January 2012, 02:38 AM
the tr version does not have rep. where are you seeing the word rep?
The comment winder in my UCP: "Latest Reputation Received "
Also, the little green boxes under people's avatars atm are the rep markers, aren't they?
The comment winder in my UCP: "Latest Reputation Received "
Also, the little green boxes under people's avatars atm are the rep markers, aren't they?
oblivion
30th January 2012, 02:39 AM
found some rep reference on the user control panel. removed them.
charlou
30th January 2012, 02:39 AM
I'll send you a comment so you can see for yourself ... :)
charlou
30th January 2012, 02:41 AM
And the little green squares under the avatars?
charlou
30th January 2012, 02:42 AM
Also, thank you. :)
oblivion
30th January 2012, 02:43 AM
working on that and a couple other details...
nick
30th January 2012, 02:45 AM
Aha it's just the word? Jesus, eloise you are a giant crybabby
Plus if popularity is an issue with you I may as well be permabanned now because I'm the most popular person here.
Plus if popularity is an issue with you I may as well be permabanned now because I'm the most popular person here.
charlou
30th January 2012, 02:53 AM
Aha it's just the word? Jesus, eloise you are a giant crybabby
Plus if popularity is an issue with you I may as well be permabanned now because I'm the most popular person here.
That you are .. how could I forget my friend? :hug:
Plus if popularity is an issue with you I may as well be permabanned now because I'm the most popular person here.
That you are .. how could I forget my friend? :hug:
Fuzzy
30th January 2012, 02:53 AM
nick, I am more popular than you because I have a more adorable avatar.
charlou
30th January 2012, 02:57 AM
and cookies :)
oblivion
30th January 2012, 02:58 AM
I knew configuring this was going to require bourbon. :D
charlou
30th January 2012, 03:02 AM
and, by the grace of good spirit, it is done .. huzzah.
oblivion
30th January 2012, 03:57 AM
some other things I've done...
changed out the scales icon for a little comment bubble as the comment button in the postbit.
http://mindromp.org/forum/images/buttons_grey//reputation.gif
I made this the comment button on all the style templates.
I also installed an add-on in the User Control Panel that lists the comments you've given underneath the comments you received.
changed out the scales icon for a little comment bubble as the comment button in the postbit.
http://mindromp.org/forum/images/buttons_grey//reputation.gif
I made this the comment button on all the style templates.
I also installed an add-on in the User Control Panel that lists the comments you've given underneath the comments you received.
charlou
30th January 2012, 04:05 AM
one last thing (hopefully) ... the notification says:
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oblivion
30th January 2012, 04:06 AM
:stare:
they're EVERYWHERE.
they're EVERYWHERE.
charlou
30th January 2012, 04:39 AM
yes, tis fixed. :)
charlou
30th January 2012, 04:41 AM
Jeez, eloise
Just a suggestion for future moments of poetic exasperation. :)
Just a suggestion for future moments of poetic exasperation. :)
Cunt
30th January 2012, 05:01 AM
Me too, but I want to give Grumps a chance to offer how it might interfere with our core values/ethos. So far, it has just been his preference for not duplicating functionality. As long as it doesn't interfere, I am happy to let it happen.
Interfere? I never said it would interfere with core values or ethos. I just don't like the facebook effect.
Well fucking think about it, would you?
I value your opinions (though I disagree with many of them) and wanted you to consider it. I fear the kind of freedom we are trying to share here may be fragile in unexpected ways.
For instance, I think forcing all complaints, requests for mad action and anything official is best visible to anyone. More than that, I think removing those elements could ruin a goal of freedom of typed messages for everyone. Unexpectedly.
If you are who I suppose you to be, I think you are just complaining about something that doesn't matter to me (quality of comments approximately) but I am hoping you will consider whether it could affect our wider goals. I would want to hear your opinion on that, preferably before I vote.
I think as long as it is no more private than postcards, it's fine. I don't know about the ranking thing, but don't like the sound of it so far.
Interfere? I never said it would interfere with core values or ethos. I just don't like the facebook effect.
Well fucking think about it, would you?
I value your opinions (though I disagree with many of them) and wanted you to consider it. I fear the kind of freedom we are trying to share here may be fragile in unexpected ways.
For instance, I think forcing all complaints, requests for mad action and anything official is best visible to anyone. More than that, I think removing those elements could ruin a goal of freedom of typed messages for everyone. Unexpectedly.
If you are who I suppose you to be, I think you are just complaining about something that doesn't matter to me (quality of comments approximately) but I am hoping you will consider whether it could affect our wider goals. I would want to hear your opinion on that, preferably before I vote.
I think as long as it is no more private than postcards, it's fine. I don't know about the ranking thing, but don't like the sound of it so far.
Grumps
30th January 2012, 05:27 AM
Me too, but I want to give Grumps a chance to offer how it might interfere with our core values/ethos. So far, it has just been his preference for not duplicating functionality. As long as it doesn't interfere, I am happy to let it happen.
Interfere? I never said it would interfere with core values or ethos. I just don't like the facebook effect.
Well fucking think about it, would you?
I value your opinions (though I disagree with many of them) and wanted you to consider it. I fear the kind of freedom we are trying to share here may be fragile in unexpected ways.
For instance, I think forcing all complaints, requests for mad action and anything official is best visible to anyone. More than that, I think removing those elements could ruin a goal of freedom of typed messages for everyone. Unexpectedly.
If you are who I suppose you to be, I think you are just complaining about something that doesn't matter to me (quality of comments approximately) but I am hoping you will consider whether it could affect our wider goals. I would want to hear your opinion on that, preferably before I vote.
I think as long as it is no more private than postcards, it's fine. I don't know about the ranking thing, but don't like the sound of it so far.
As I have said earlier, I don't like the idea of something that is advocated solely for the reason of making comments not worth making anywhere else.
Freedom is all nice and everything, but freedom of expression is not a relevant to this issue when advocates admit it's entirely for butt-pats. I'm not sure how lots of (or the absence of) 'lol' comments could threaten the ethos of the forum.
Either way, it's already implemented. I don't care enough about this issue to one-man army it.
If it causes any actual problems, aside from lots of triviality, then maybe I'll reconsider. If you can convince me this could reasonably upset proper discussion, then maybe I'll reconsider it. Right now, the only reason I don't agree with it is because it was built for the aforementioned reasons.
The only one issue I think ought to be considered is the way the absence of comments might dissuade someone from posting.
Interfere? I never said it would interfere with core values or ethos. I just don't like the facebook effect.
Well fucking think about it, would you?
I value your opinions (though I disagree with many of them) and wanted you to consider it. I fear the kind of freedom we are trying to share here may be fragile in unexpected ways.
For instance, I think forcing all complaints, requests for mad action and anything official is best visible to anyone. More than that, I think removing those elements could ruin a goal of freedom of typed messages for everyone. Unexpectedly.
If you are who I suppose you to be, I think you are just complaining about something that doesn't matter to me (quality of comments approximately) but I am hoping you will consider whether it could affect our wider goals. I would want to hear your opinion on that, preferably before I vote.
I think as long as it is no more private than postcards, it's fine. I don't know about the ranking thing, but don't like the sound of it so far.
As I have said earlier, I don't like the idea of something that is advocated solely for the reason of making comments not worth making anywhere else.
Freedom is all nice and everything, but freedom of expression is not a relevant to this issue when advocates admit it's entirely for butt-pats. I'm not sure how lots of (or the absence of) 'lol' comments could threaten the ethos of the forum.
Either way, it's already implemented. I don't care enough about this issue to one-man army it.
If it causes any actual problems, aside from lots of triviality, then maybe I'll reconsider. If you can convince me this could reasonably upset proper discussion, then maybe I'll reconsider it. Right now, the only reason I don't agree with it is because it was built for the aforementioned reasons.
The only one issue I think ought to be considered is the way the absence of comments might dissuade someone from posting.
Cunt
30th January 2012, 06:13 AM
I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for giving it some thought.
nick
30th January 2012, 03:00 PM
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wtf is wrong with you
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Grumps
30th January 2012, 09:00 PM
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wtf is wrong with you
You.
Welcome, Elouise.
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wtf is wrong with you
You.
nick
31st January 2012, 03:41 AM
Shut the fuck up
Grumps
31st January 2012, 04:37 AM
Shut the fuck up
Why?
Why?
nick
31st January 2012, 04:53 AM
Shut the fuck up
:nada:
:nada:
nostrum
31st January 2012, 05:06 AM
Bart, don't you have a meme to fulfil at TR? Can't you start a new one here, it'd be much more interesting for everyone.
nick
31st January 2012, 05:48 AM
I am not a jester who performs for your amusement.
Cunt
31st January 2012, 05:55 AM
I am...a jester who performs for your amusement.
I know what message I am taking away from this.
I know what message I am taking away from this.
nick
31st January 2012, 06:02 AM
You are a terrible poster.
Grumps
31st January 2012, 11:40 AM
Shut the fuck up
:nada:
Why?
:nada:
Why?
borealis
31st January 2012, 02:33 PM
Me too, but I want to give Grumps a chance to offer how it might interfere with our core values/ethos. So far, it has just been his preference for not duplicating functionality. As long as it doesn't interfere, I am happy to let it happen.
Interfere? I never said it would interfere with core values or ethos. I just don't like the facebook effect.
Well fucking think about it, would you?
I value your opinions (though I disagree with many of them) and wanted you to consider it. I fear the kind of freedom we are trying to share here may be fragile in unexpected ways.
For instance, I think forcing all complaints, requests for mad action and anything official is best visible to anyone. More than that, I think removing those elements could ruin a goal of freedom of typed messages for everyone. Unexpectedly.
If you are who I suppose you to be, I think you are just complaining about something that doesn't matter to me (quality of comments approximately) but I am hoping you will consider whether it could affect our wider goals. I would want to hear your opinion on that, preferably before I vote.
I think as long as it is no more private than postcards, it's fine. I don't know about the ranking thing, but don't like the sound of it so far.
As I have said earlier, I don't like the idea of something that is advocated solely for the reason of making comments not worth making anywhere else.
Freedom is all nice and everything, but freedom of expression is not a relevant to this issue when advocates admit it's entirely for butt-pats. I'm not sure how lots of (or the absence of) 'lol' comments could threaten the ethos of the forum.
Either way, it's already implemented. I don't care enough about this issue to one-man army it.
If it causes any actual problems, aside from lots of triviality, then maybe I'll reconsider. If you can convince me this could reasonably upset proper discussion, then maybe I'll reconsider it. Right now, the only reason I don't agree with it is because it was built for the aforementioned reasons.
The only one issue I think ought to be considered is the way the absence of comments might dissuade someone from posting.
Possibly because I'm used to using comments, I'm skeptical of the negatives you've raised actually existing.
'Butt patting', by which I assume you guys mean comments which are just 'go you!' seems pretty trivial in terms of being threatening to the integrity of the forum. How many posts in a thread, some of them days later, do you want to see that merely say 'Yay, congrats on baby/new puppy/passed your exam'?
That isn't all comments get used for, though. I have used them a lot for directly and briefly referencing posts that are far back in a thread, where addressing them in the current posts in the thread could interrupt the current conversation with irrelevancies. As for why a postcard message wouldn't be the go-to communication device, consider it the difference between a post-it note and a formal letter.
Interfere? I never said it would interfere with core values or ethos. I just don't like the facebook effect.
Well fucking think about it, would you?
I value your opinions (though I disagree with many of them) and wanted you to consider it. I fear the kind of freedom we are trying to share here may be fragile in unexpected ways.
For instance, I think forcing all complaints, requests for mad action and anything official is best visible to anyone. More than that, I think removing those elements could ruin a goal of freedom of typed messages for everyone. Unexpectedly.
If you are who I suppose you to be, I think you are just complaining about something that doesn't matter to me (quality of comments approximately) but I am hoping you will consider whether it could affect our wider goals. I would want to hear your opinion on that, preferably before I vote.
I think as long as it is no more private than postcards, it's fine. I don't know about the ranking thing, but don't like the sound of it so far.
As I have said earlier, I don't like the idea of something that is advocated solely for the reason of making comments not worth making anywhere else.
Freedom is all nice and everything, but freedom of expression is not a relevant to this issue when advocates admit it's entirely for butt-pats. I'm not sure how lots of (or the absence of) 'lol' comments could threaten the ethos of the forum.
Either way, it's already implemented. I don't care enough about this issue to one-man army it.
If it causes any actual problems, aside from lots of triviality, then maybe I'll reconsider. If you can convince me this could reasonably upset proper discussion, then maybe I'll reconsider it. Right now, the only reason I don't agree with it is because it was built for the aforementioned reasons.
The only one issue I think ought to be considered is the way the absence of comments might dissuade someone from posting.
Possibly because I'm used to using comments, I'm skeptical of the negatives you've raised actually existing.
'Butt patting', by which I assume you guys mean comments which are just 'go you!' seems pretty trivial in terms of being threatening to the integrity of the forum. How many posts in a thread, some of them days later, do you want to see that merely say 'Yay, congrats on baby/new puppy/passed your exam'?
That isn't all comments get used for, though. I have used them a lot for directly and briefly referencing posts that are far back in a thread, where addressing them in the current posts in the thread could interrupt the current conversation with irrelevancies. As for why a postcard message wouldn't be the go-to communication device, consider it the difference between a post-it note and a formal letter.
Grumps
1st February 2012, 11:00 AM
Me too, but I want to give Grumps a chance to offer how it might interfere with our core values/ethos. So far, it has just been his preference for not duplicating functionality. As long as it doesn't interfere, I am happy to let it happen.
Interfere? I never said it would interfere with core values or ethos. I just don't like the facebook effect.
Well fucking think about it, would you?
I value your opinions (though I disagree with many of them) and wanted you to consider it. I fear the kind of freedom we are trying to share here may be fragile in unexpected ways.
For instance, I think forcing all complaints, requests for mad action and anything official is best visible to anyone. More than that, I think removing those elements could ruin a goal of freedom of typed messages for everyone. Unexpectedly.
If you are who I suppose you to be, I think you are just complaining about something that doesn't matter to me (quality of comments approximately) but I am hoping you will consider whether it could affect our wider goals. I would want to hear your opinion on that, preferably before I vote.
I think as long as it is no more private than postcards, it's fine. I don't know about the ranking thing, but don't like the sound of it so far.
As I have said earlier, I don't like the idea of something that is advocated solely for the reason of making comments not worth making anywhere else.
Freedom is all nice and everything, but freedom of expression is not a relevant to this issue when advocates admit it's entirely for butt-pats. I'm not sure how lots of (or the absence of) 'lol' comments could threaten the ethos of the forum.
Either way, it's already implemented. I don't care enough about this issue to one-man army it.
If it causes any actual problems, aside from lots of triviality, then maybe I'll reconsider. If you can convince me this could reasonably upset proper discussion, then maybe I'll reconsider it. Right now, the only reason I don't agree with it is because it was built for the aforementioned reasons.
The only one issue I think ought to be considered is the way the absence of comments might dissuade someone from posting.
Possibly because I'm used to using comments, I'm skeptical of the negatives you've raised actually existing.
'Butt patting', by which I assume you guys mean comments which are just 'go you!' seems pretty trivial in terms of being threatening to the integrity of the forum. How many posts in a thread, some of them days later, do you want to see that merely say 'Yay, congrats on baby/new puppy/passed your exam'?
That isn't all comments get used for, though. I have used them a lot for directly and briefly referencing posts that are far back in a thread, where addressing them in the current posts in the thread could interrupt the current conversation with irrelevancies. As for why a postcard message wouldn't be the go-to communication device, consider it the difference between a post-it note and a formal letter.
seems pretty trivial in terms of being threatening to the integrity of the forum.
I'm fairly certain I said that.
I have no problem with people making minor, trivial comments. I don't like the idea of advocating a function specifically for making them.
As for the distinction between a comment and a 'post card' - that doesn't exist. It is a private message from one member to another, the only difference is the method of delivery: Which isn't all that different, given the 'write comment' still opens a new window. And your distinction is a fair contradiction when you then go on to say that you will use it for 'addressing earlier posts' - which would be a fairly formal use.
Interfere? I never said it would interfere with core values or ethos. I just don't like the facebook effect.
Well fucking think about it, would you?
I value your opinions (though I disagree with many of them) and wanted you to consider it. I fear the kind of freedom we are trying to share here may be fragile in unexpected ways.
For instance, I think forcing all complaints, requests for mad action and anything official is best visible to anyone. More than that, I think removing those elements could ruin a goal of freedom of typed messages for everyone. Unexpectedly.
If you are who I suppose you to be, I think you are just complaining about something that doesn't matter to me (quality of comments approximately) but I am hoping you will consider whether it could affect our wider goals. I would want to hear your opinion on that, preferably before I vote.
I think as long as it is no more private than postcards, it's fine. I don't know about the ranking thing, but don't like the sound of it so far.
As I have said earlier, I don't like the idea of something that is advocated solely for the reason of making comments not worth making anywhere else.
Freedom is all nice and everything, but freedom of expression is not a relevant to this issue when advocates admit it's entirely for butt-pats. I'm not sure how lots of (or the absence of) 'lol' comments could threaten the ethos of the forum.
Either way, it's already implemented. I don't care enough about this issue to one-man army it.
If it causes any actual problems, aside from lots of triviality, then maybe I'll reconsider. If you can convince me this could reasonably upset proper discussion, then maybe I'll reconsider it. Right now, the only reason I don't agree with it is because it was built for the aforementioned reasons.
The only one issue I think ought to be considered is the way the absence of comments might dissuade someone from posting.
Possibly because I'm used to using comments, I'm skeptical of the negatives you've raised actually existing.
'Butt patting', by which I assume you guys mean comments which are just 'go you!' seems pretty trivial in terms of being threatening to the integrity of the forum. How many posts in a thread, some of them days later, do you want to see that merely say 'Yay, congrats on baby/new puppy/passed your exam'?
That isn't all comments get used for, though. I have used them a lot for directly and briefly referencing posts that are far back in a thread, where addressing them in the current posts in the thread could interrupt the current conversation with irrelevancies. As for why a postcard message wouldn't be the go-to communication device, consider it the difference between a post-it note and a formal letter.
seems pretty trivial in terms of being threatening to the integrity of the forum.
I'm fairly certain I said that.
I have no problem with people making minor, trivial comments. I don't like the idea of advocating a function specifically for making them.
As for the distinction between a comment and a 'post card' - that doesn't exist. It is a private message from one member to another, the only difference is the method of delivery: Which isn't all that different, given the 'write comment' still opens a new window. And your distinction is a fair contradiction when you then go on to say that you will use it for 'addressing earlier posts' - which would be a fairly formal use.
charlou
1st February 2012, 02:13 PM
As for the distinction between a comment and a 'post card' - that doesn't exist. It is a private message from one member to another, the only difference is the method of delivery: Which isn't all that different, given the 'write comment' still opens a new window. And your distinction is a fair contradiction when you then go on to say that you will use it for 'addressing earlier posts' - which would be a fairly formal use.
It's not a new window, it's a box that pops up on the thread page .. you type in your comment and submit ... The fact that it's so easy does not mean that therefore the comments are insignicant, by the way, although there's nothing wrong with it if they are.
It's not a new window, it's a box that pops up on the thread page .. you type in your comment and submit ... The fact that it's so easy does not mean that therefore the comments are insignicant, by the way, although there's nothing wrong with it if they are.
Grumps
1st February 2012, 03:00 PM
As for the distinction between a comment and a 'post card' - that doesn't exist. It is a private message from one member to another, the only difference is the method of delivery: Which isn't all that different, given the 'write comment' still opens a new window. And your distinction is a fair contradiction when you then go on to say that you will use it for 'addressing earlier posts' - which would be a fairly formal use.
It's not a new window, it's a box that pops up on the thread page .. you type in your comment and submit ... The fact that it's so easy does not mean that therefore the comments are insignicant, by the way, although there's nothing wrong with it if they are.
As I said: There is nothing wrong with trivial comments. There is something wrong with making a function specifically for making trivial comments.
Also, when I clicked comment to test it out, it opened a new tab for me. Not sure why it did that, then.
It's not a new window, it's a box that pops up on the thread page .. you type in your comment and submit ... The fact that it's so easy does not mean that therefore the comments are insignicant, by the way, although there's nothing wrong with it if they are.
As I said: There is nothing wrong with trivial comments. There is something wrong with making a function specifically for making trivial comments.
Also, when I clicked comment to test it out, it opened a new tab for me. Not sure why it did that, then.
ksen
1st February 2012, 03:06 PM
Jesus christ Grumps . . . should we get off your lawn too?
Grumps
1st February 2012, 03:11 PM
Jesus christ Grumps . . . should we get off your lawn too?
I already said I didn't care now that it's been implemented, but people are either posing questions to me, or responding to me.
You could all just (to quote nick) shut the fuck up and that would be the end of it.
I already said I didn't care now that it's been implemented, but people are either posing questions to me, or responding to me.
You could all just (to quote nick) shut the fuck up and that would be the end of it.
Grumps
1st February 2012, 03:12 PM
Also, yes, get off my lawn and go back to where you came from. We don't take kindly to your kind 'round here.
charlou
1st February 2012, 03:31 PM
I take kindly to kaysenhhh :)
ksen
1st February 2012, 03:47 PM
Can someone please make a Grumps smilie?
http://talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_606.gif
http://talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_606.gif
nostrum
2nd February 2012, 12:34 PM
Can someone please make a Grumps smilie?
http://talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_606.gif
Not grumpy enough :no:
http://talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_606.gif
Not grumpy enough :no:
borealis
2nd February 2012, 03:37 PM
Possibly because I'm used to using comments, I'm skeptical of the negatives you've raised actually existing.
'Butt patting', by which I assume you guys mean comments which are just 'go you!' seems pretty trivial in terms of being threatening to the integrity of the forum. How many posts in a thread, some of them days later, do you want to see that merely say 'Yay, congrats on baby/new puppy/passed your exam'?
That isn't all comments get used for, though. I have used them a lot for directly and briefly referencing posts that are far back in a thread, where addressing them in the current posts in the thread could interrupt the current conversation with irrelevancies. As for why a postcard message wouldn't be the go-to communication device, consider it the difference between a post-it note and a formal letter.
seems pretty trivial in terms of being threatening to the integrity of the forum.
I'm fairly certain I said that.
I have no problem with people making minor, trivial comments. I don't like the idea of advocating a function specifically for making them.
As for the distinction between a comment and a 'post card' - that doesn't exist. It is a private message from one member to another, the only difference is the method of delivery: Which isn't all that different, given the 'write comment' still opens a new window. And your distinction is a fair contradiction when you then go on to say that you will use it for 'addressing earlier posts' - which would be a fairly formal use.
The distinction exists, otherwise people who like the distinction wouldn't be trying to explain to you that there is a distinction.
'Addressing earlier posts' isn't necessarily a formal use, even when it isn't butt-patting. It might be giving someone a url that would be of little interest to anyone else, for example. And that's a good example of comment use, I think. I see a post where someone might find a particular source interesting, but it is not directly related to the current conversation. I think the polite thing to do is to inform the individual without interrupting the thread. Comments are faster than pms, really, for both parties.
Also, my lawn is bigger than your lawn. :stuckup:
'Butt patting', by which I assume you guys mean comments which are just 'go you!' seems pretty trivial in terms of being threatening to the integrity of the forum. How many posts in a thread, some of them days later, do you want to see that merely say 'Yay, congrats on baby/new puppy/passed your exam'?
That isn't all comments get used for, though. I have used them a lot for directly and briefly referencing posts that are far back in a thread, where addressing them in the current posts in the thread could interrupt the current conversation with irrelevancies. As for why a postcard message wouldn't be the go-to communication device, consider it the difference between a post-it note and a formal letter.
seems pretty trivial in terms of being threatening to the integrity of the forum.
I'm fairly certain I said that.
I have no problem with people making minor, trivial comments. I don't like the idea of advocating a function specifically for making them.
As for the distinction between a comment and a 'post card' - that doesn't exist. It is a private message from one member to another, the only difference is the method of delivery: Which isn't all that different, given the 'write comment' still opens a new window. And your distinction is a fair contradiction when you then go on to say that you will use it for 'addressing earlier posts' - which would be a fairly formal use.
The distinction exists, otherwise people who like the distinction wouldn't be trying to explain to you that there is a distinction.
'Addressing earlier posts' isn't necessarily a formal use, even when it isn't butt-patting. It might be giving someone a url that would be of little interest to anyone else, for example. And that's a good example of comment use, I think. I see a post where someone might find a particular source interesting, but it is not directly related to the current conversation. I think the polite thing to do is to inform the individual without interrupting the thread. Comments are faster than pms, really, for both parties.
Also, my lawn is bigger than your lawn. :stuckup:
ksen
2nd February 2012, 03:40 PM
Can someone please make a Grumps smilie?
http://talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_606.gif
Not grumpy enough :no:
but it is david caruso-ey enough
http://talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_606.gif
Not grumpy enough :no:
but it is david caruso-ey enough
Cunt
2nd February 2012, 03:43 PM
I wondered whether Grumps was a fan of D.C., or was mocking him. His acting is not nearly up to the same standard as Grumps' posting...
Grumps
3rd February 2012, 07:26 AM
I wondered whether Grumps was a fan of D.C., or was mocking him. His acting is not nearly up to the same standard as Grumps' posting...
My avatar was randomly picked from a hosted of images titled with numbers. I can't be bothered changing it.
My avatar was randomly picked from a hosted of images titled with numbers. I can't be bothered changing it.
Cunt
3rd February 2012, 03:09 PM
plesse remember to pull yourshades off dramatically now and then
Grumps
3rd February 2012, 03:22 PM
Possibly because I'm used to using comments, I'm skeptical of the negatives you've raised actually existing.
'Butt patting', by which I assume you guys mean comments which are just 'go you!' seems pretty trivial in terms of being threatening to the integrity of the forum. How many posts in a thread, some of them days later, do you want to see that merely say 'Yay, congrats on baby/new puppy/passed your exam'?
That isn't all comments get used for, though. I have used them a lot for directly and briefly referencing posts that are far back in a thread, where addressing them in the current posts in the thread could interrupt the current conversation with irrelevancies. As for why a postcard message wouldn't be the go-to communication device, consider it the difference between a post-it note and a formal letter.
seems pretty trivial in terms of being threatening to the integrity of the forum.I'm fairly certain I said that.
I have no problem with people making minor, trivial comments. I don't like the idea of advocating a function specifically for making them.
As for the distinction between a comment and a 'post card' - that doesn't exist. It is a private message from one member to another, the only difference is the method of delivery: Which isn't all that different, given the 'write comment' still opens a new window. And your distinction is a fair contradiction when you then go on to say that you will use it for 'addressing earlier posts' - which would be a fairly formal use.
The distinction exists, otherwise people who like the distinction wouldn't be trying to explain to you that there is a distinction.
'Addressing earlier posts' isn't necessarily a formal use, even when it isn't butt-patting. It might be giving someone a url that would be of little interest to anyone else, for example. And that's a good example of comment use, I think. I see a post where someone might find a particular source interesting, but it is not directly related to the current conversation. I think the polite thing to do is to inform the individual without interrupting the thread. Comments are faster than pms, really, for both parties.
Also, my lawn is bigger than your lawn. :stuckup:
Seems rather rude to presume nobody else would have an interest in an article. Would be quite considerate to post the link for everybody to see.
Kids these days, no respect.
'Butt patting', by which I assume you guys mean comments which are just 'go you!' seems pretty trivial in terms of being threatening to the integrity of the forum. How many posts in a thread, some of them days later, do you want to see that merely say 'Yay, congrats on baby/new puppy/passed your exam'?
That isn't all comments get used for, though. I have used them a lot for directly and briefly referencing posts that are far back in a thread, where addressing them in the current posts in the thread could interrupt the current conversation with irrelevancies. As for why a postcard message wouldn't be the go-to communication device, consider it the difference between a post-it note and a formal letter.
seems pretty trivial in terms of being threatening to the integrity of the forum.I'm fairly certain I said that.
I have no problem with people making minor, trivial comments. I don't like the idea of advocating a function specifically for making them.
As for the distinction between a comment and a 'post card' - that doesn't exist. It is a private message from one member to another, the only difference is the method of delivery: Which isn't all that different, given the 'write comment' still opens a new window. And your distinction is a fair contradiction when you then go on to say that you will use it for 'addressing earlier posts' - which would be a fairly formal use.
The distinction exists, otherwise people who like the distinction wouldn't be trying to explain to you that there is a distinction.
'Addressing earlier posts' isn't necessarily a formal use, even when it isn't butt-patting. It might be giving someone a url that would be of little interest to anyone else, for example. And that's a good example of comment use, I think. I see a post where someone might find a particular source interesting, but it is not directly related to the current conversation. I think the polite thing to do is to inform the individual without interrupting the thread. Comments are faster than pms, really, for both parties.
Also, my lawn is bigger than your lawn. :stuckup:
Seems rather rude to presume nobody else would have an interest in an article. Would be quite considerate to post the link for everybody to see.
Kids these days, no respect.
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