MindRompersuit Mafia - Day 7 page 1
oblivion
26th January 2012, 04:20 AM
You are awakened by a bone-rattling boom. You rush outside and find a bloody mess that will take blotters to clean up.
Adenosine was a bomb.
borealis was the scum don.
Nightfall is at 1 PM GMT Friday/8 AM US ET Friday.
Among the Living:
5. nostrum
13. Daphne Girl/Mantisdreamz
20. diva
Deceased:
18. Zigmen - town
9. Jerome - scum
19. Amok - town
17. Bolero - town
7. Gonzo - jester
1. elouise - town
12. Athene - town
10. Fuzzy FungI - town
4. gib - town
6. Uselesstwit - town
15. ericv00 - town
16. Nightson - town
8. Feck - scum
3. magicziggy - town
11. CGI - town
2. adenosine - town
14. borealis - town
Adenosine was a bomb.
borealis was the scum don.
Nightfall is at 1 PM GMT Friday/8 AM US ET Friday.
Among the Living:
5. nostrum
13. Daphne Girl/Mantisdreamz
20. diva
Deceased:
18. Zigmen - town
9. Jerome - scum
19. Amok - town
17. Bolero - town
7. Gonzo - jester
1. elouise - town
12. Athene - town
10. Fuzzy FungI - town
4. gib - town
6. Uselesstwit - town
15. ericv00 - town
16. Nightson - town
8. Feck - scum
3. magicziggy - town
11. CGI - town
2. adenosine - town
14. borealis - town
divagreen
26th January 2012, 04:33 AM
Mantis
divagreen
26th January 2012, 04:38 AM
Fuck it.
unvote
Nostrum
unvote
Nostrum
nostrum
26th January 2012, 04:42 AM
lol diva don't be an idiot
mantis final
mantis final
nostrum
26th January 2012, 04:43 AM
good one, ade :thumbsup:
divagreen
26th January 2012, 04:44 AM
unvote
Mantis final
Mantis final
nostrum
26th January 2012, 04:44 AM
good game borealis and mantis... I'm dying to find out why you were so confident that you could let MZ go on living so long in this game.
CGI: I know you are going to tear strips off me post game, but I do stand by my statement that you did some anti-town things :hmph: (and yes, I'm getting in early before you're allowed to post here :hehe: )
CGI: I know you are going to tear strips off me post game, but I do stand by my statement that you did some anti-town things :hmph: (and yes, I'm getting in early before you're allowed to post here :hehe: )
nostrum
26th January 2012, 04:44 AM
ob! ob! get your butt in here!
nostrum
26th January 2012, 04:45 AM
I do hope this was great theatre for the watchers-of-mafia, this game. I think perhaps it was.
oblivion
26th January 2012, 04:46 AM
You string mantis up quite abruptly. She doesn't have a chance to even say "but..."
mantis was vanilla town.
Scum win!
mantis was vanilla town.
Scum win!
Uselesstwit
26th January 2012, 04:47 AM
:munch::munch::munch:
divagreen
26th January 2012, 04:47 AM
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Fuzzy
26th January 2012, 04:47 AM
gg
nostrum
26th January 2012, 04:47 AM
:rofl:
gg diva... you do know your theatrics will never ever let anyone read you as town, don't you
gg diva... you do know your theatrics will never ever let anyone read you as town, don't you
Magicziggy
26th January 2012, 04:48 AM
Truly a great game.. Well done the scum team
Nightson
26th January 2012, 04:48 AM
What an awesome inaugural game. Scum definitely deserved to win this one.
nostrum
26th January 2012, 04:49 AM
diva's meta: DAMAGED FOREVER!!!!
Uselesstwit
26th January 2012, 04:50 AM
gg scum, you really had town twisted up.
nostrum
26th January 2012, 04:50 AM
What an awesome inaugural game. Scum definitely deserved to win this one.
:werd:
:werd:
divagreen
26th January 2012, 04:50 AM
:rofl:
gg diva... you do know your theatrics will never ever let anyone read you as town, don't you
yes, I know.
out of sheer love, I kept suggesting to kill you early.
gg diva... you do know your theatrics will never ever let anyone read you as town, don't you
yes, I know.
out of sheer love, I kept suggesting to kill you early.
nostrum
26th January 2012, 04:50 AM
oblivion: :whyyou:
borealis
26th January 2012, 04:50 AM
I only remember being this tense in one other mafia game.
great game, town!
great game, town!
Fuzzy
26th January 2012, 04:51 AM
I was pretty sure gib and CGI were scum but I guess they were both specials instead... my special-dar and scum-dar got mixed up :doom:
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 04:51 AM
good one, ade :thumbsup:
Purely accidental. I had no idea I would explode.
Purely accidental. I had no idea I would explode.
nostrum
26th January 2012, 04:51 AM
FFS two vig's .... as if I'd have thought that outing would cause game-long WIFOM. :doom:
borealis
26th January 2012, 04:52 AM
Adenosine. You blew me up! :whyyou:
divagreen
26th January 2012, 04:52 AM
What an awesome inaugural game. Scum definitely deserved to win this one.
:werd:
Did you see my post in the peanut gallery? It was supposed to be a PM, lol.
:werd:
Did you see my post in the peanut gallery? It was supposed to be a PM, lol.
nostrum
26th January 2012, 04:52 AM
good one, ade :thumbsup:
Purely accidental. I had no idea I would explode.
I wish I had :sadcheer:
Purely accidental. I had no idea I would explode.
I wish I had :sadcheer:
Fuzzy
26th January 2012, 04:52 AM
nostrum, what was your role? The day-kill was pretty funky.
Magicziggy
26th January 2012, 04:53 AM
Perhaps the bomb was the game balancer after the extra nk
oblivion
26th January 2012, 04:54 AM
yeah, ade was an un-self-aware bomb.
I remembered how well that worked in j.a.poisson's game at ratz. It stuck in my mind because I was scum and I picked the killer and killee the night we set off Durro.
I remembered how well that worked in j.a.poisson's game at ratz. It stuck in my mind because I was scum and I picked the killer and killee the night we set off Durro.
nostrum
26th January 2012, 04:54 AM
What an awesome inaugural game. Scum definitely deserved to win this one.
:werd:
Did you see my post in the peanut gallery? It was supposed to be a PM, lol.
Nope. If it had affected the game, I'm glad I didn't.
I didn't put much thought into the final vote today. Basically your game theatrics saved your scrawny butt :colbert:
gg though! :hug:
:werd:
Did you see my post in the peanut gallery? It was supposed to be a PM, lol.
Nope. If it had affected the game, I'm glad I didn't.
I didn't put much thought into the final vote today. Basically your game theatrics saved your scrawny butt :colbert:
gg though! :hug:
nostrum
26th January 2012, 04:54 AM
Borealis: you have a reputation of not playing scum well... after a few shaky days you really came into your own. Kudos to the max! :beercheers:
Magicziggy
26th January 2012, 04:55 AM
Diva and borealis.. Awesome.. Feck did his bit.. And Jerome early casualty
But gonzo is the winner :)
But gonzo is the winner :)
borealis
26th January 2012, 04:56 AM
Thanks. I've never played so hard before, except maybe in Az' Lovecraft game at rats.
oblivion
26th January 2012, 04:56 AM
I knew that the scum day kill would be a huge factor in this game, but I thought I had it balanced with some oddball town stuff. if I hadn't fucked up MZ's night kill on night 4, I think that alone would have pushed scum over the top, though. If I ever use the scum assassin role again, it will be in a MUUUUUUUUCHHHH bigger game.
borealis
26th January 2012, 04:56 AM
I feel bad about being so mean to CGI though. Felt bad, man.
divagreen
26th January 2012, 04:57 AM
Fantastic game town. We didn't think we had a chance of winning after the Nightson/Eric fiasco. After that it became a contest as to see who could make CGI's head explode. I think Feck won that one. We also had a post the word mini game going on, lol.
scumboard: http://123.writeboard.com/rbsit17h9apn2qwo2t4duhxy
password: nefarious
scumboard: http://123.writeboard.com/rbsit17h9apn2qwo2t4duhxy
password: nefarious
borealis
26th January 2012, 04:57 AM
I knew that the scum day kill would be a huge factor in this game, but I thought I had it balanced with some oddball town stuff. if I hadn't fucked up MZ's night kill on night 4, I think that alone would have pushed scum over the top, though. If I ever use the scum assassin role again, it will be in a MUUUUUUUUCHHHH bigger game.
Well, town did have a vig, a day kill, a seer, a doc and a bomb.
Well, town did have a vig, a day kill, a seer, a doc and a bomb.
nostrum
26th January 2012, 04:57 AM
nostrum, what was your role? The day-kill was pretty funky.
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
oblivion
26th January 2012, 04:59 AM
So, I had originally planned to make this a simple and straightforward game design that wouldn't throw new players for too much of a loop.
Then the player roster turned out to be all veterans who play with each other frequently. So, I threw my simple design out and went for a hall of mirrors approach instead.
I may have been too successful. :unsure:
Then the player roster turned out to be all veterans who play with each other frequently. So, I threw my simple design out and went for a hall of mirrors approach instead.
I may have been too successful. :unsure:
divagreen
26th January 2012, 04:59 AM
Thanks. I've never played so hard before, except maybe in Az' Lovecraft game at rats.
Borealis was the brains behind the nightkills, let me tell you. She deserves an award. :)
Borealis was the brains behind the nightkills, let me tell you. She deserves an award. :)
nostrum
26th January 2012, 05:00 AM
I knew that the scum day kill would be a huge factor in this game, but I thought I had it balanced with some oddball town stuff. if I hadn't fucked up MZ's night kill on night 4, I think that alone would have pushed scum over the top, though. If I ever use the scum assassin role again, it will be in a MUUUUUUUUCHHHH bigger game.
scum day kill???
scum day kill???
nostrum
26th January 2012, 05:01 AM
Thanks. I've never played so hard before, except maybe in Az' Lovecraft game at rats.
Borealis was the brains behind the nightkills, let me tell you. She deserves an award. :)
I've never ever seen a vig allowed to live so long. It was the key to really throwing my game completely off.
Borealis was the brains behind the nightkills, let me tell you. She deserves an award. :)
I've never ever seen a vig allowed to live so long. It was the key to really throwing my game completely off.
Magicziggy
26th January 2012, 05:01 AM
Future games will be measured against this one for design and tension.. And the execution of the scum second placing to gonzo the clown.
nostrum
26th January 2012, 05:01 AM
So, I had originally planned to make this a simple and straightforward game design that wouldn't throw new players for too much of a loop.
Then the player roster turned out to be all veterans who play with each other frequently. So, I threw my simple design out and went for a hall of mirrors approach instead.
I may have been too successful. :unsure:
oblivion final :colbert:
Then the player roster turned out to be all veterans who play with each other frequently. So, I threw my simple design out and went for a hall of mirrors approach instead.
I may have been too successful. :unsure:
oblivion final :colbert:
borealis
26th January 2012, 05:02 AM
I knew that the scum day kill would be a huge factor in this game, but I thought I had it balanced with some oddball town stuff. if I hadn't fucked up MZ's night kill on night 4, I think that alone would have pushed scum over the top, though. If I ever use the scum assassin role again, it will be in a MUUUUUUUUCHHHH bigger game.
scum day kill???
We had a day kill, diva's role. But we didn't get to choose because Ob had to rebalance after the mixup, so we got nightson by default.
scum day kill???
We had a day kill, diva's role. But we didn't get to choose because Ob had to rebalance after the mixup, so we got nightson by default.
borealis
26th January 2012, 05:03 AM
Future games will be measured against this one for design and tension.. And the execution of the scum second placing to gonzo the clown.
Gonzo aced the role, for sure. I could not figure out why town wanted to lynch him so badly.
Gonzo aced the role, for sure. I could not figure out why town wanted to lynch him so badly.
divagreen
26th January 2012, 05:03 AM
Perhaps the bomb was the game balancer after the extra nk
we didn't have an extra nightkill, we lost our one shot day vig kill, which I had spent all game prepping.
I am actually glad that it did not come to that showdown. I would have caved.
we didn't have an extra nightkill, we lost our one shot day vig kill, which I had spent all game prepping.
I am actually glad that it did not come to that showdown. I would have caved.
borealis
26th January 2012, 05:04 AM
So, I had originally planned to make this a simple and straightforward game design that wouldn't throw new players for too much of a loop.
Then the player roster turned out to be all veterans who play with each other frequently. So, I threw my simple design out and went for a hall of mirrors approach instead.
I may have been too successful. :unsure:
Ob, it was an excellent game, really hard to figure out. I would have enjoyed it just as much if we lost tonight. :)
Then the player roster turned out to be all veterans who play with each other frequently. So, I threw my simple design out and went for a hall of mirrors approach instead.
I may have been too successful. :unsure:
Ob, it was an excellent game, really hard to figure out. I would have enjoyed it just as much if we lost tonight. :)
Magicziggy
26th January 2012, 05:05 AM
So, I had originally planned to make this a simple and straightforward game design that wouldn't throw new players for too much of a loop.
Then the player roster turned out to be all veterans who play with each other frequently. So, I threw my simple design out and went for a hall of mirrors approach instead.
I may have been too successful. :unsure:
Ob, it was an excellent game, really hard to figure out. I would have enjoyed it just as much if we lost tonight. :)
Concur.. Loved it.. Will live long in the memory :)
Then the player roster turned out to be all veterans who play with each other frequently. So, I threw my simple design out and went for a hall of mirrors approach instead.
I may have been too successful. :unsure:
Ob, it was an excellent game, really hard to figure out. I would have enjoyed it just as much if we lost tonight. :)
Concur.. Loved it.. Will live long in the memory :)
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 05:05 AM
Mad props to diva who not only kept her cool but was will to jump and was wondering why I didn't start the Feck wagon I mentioned on the day UT was lynched.
That is why I thought she was town.
And borealis was so cool, nary a crack under pressure.
That is why I thought she was town.
And borealis was so cool, nary a crack under pressure.
divagreen
26th January 2012, 05:06 AM
So, I had originally planned to make this a simple and straightforward game design that wouldn't throw new players for too much of a loop.
Then the player roster turned out to be all veterans who play with each other frequently. So, I threw my simple design out and went for a hall of mirrors approach instead.
I may have been too successful. :unsure:
Ob, it was an excellent game, really hard to figure out. I would have enjoyed it just as much if we lost tonight. :)
:nada:
Then the player roster turned out to be all veterans who play with each other frequently. So, I threw my simple design out and went for a hall of mirrors approach instead.
I may have been too successful. :unsure:
Ob, it was an excellent game, really hard to figure out. I would have enjoyed it just as much if we lost tonight. :)
:nada:
oblivion
26th January 2012, 05:07 AM
I knew that the scum day kill would be a huge factor in this game, but I thought I had it balanced with some oddball town stuff. if I hadn't fucked up MZ's night kill on night 4, I think that alone would have pushed scum over the top, though. If I ever use the scum assassin role again, it will be in a MUUUUUUUUCHHHH bigger game.
scum day kill???
diva was originally a scum assassin with a one shot day kill. When I had to off 2 townies on day 5, I took away the day kill.
I talked with luis about how to rebalance. I knew that if I left eric out and nightson in that would clear nightson. I thought about bringing eric back with a cloud of suspicion over whether his role had changed and killing nightson. but, I didn't like how that worked out in guapo's game at TR when he brought you back after killing you when you''d been doc-protected.
We both took a break to think things over and decided that killing nightson and taking away the day kill was the most balanced solution to my fuck-up.
scum day kill???
diva was originally a scum assassin with a one shot day kill. When I had to off 2 townies on day 5, I took away the day kill.
I talked with luis about how to rebalance. I knew that if I left eric out and nightson in that would clear nightson. I thought about bringing eric back with a cloud of suspicion over whether his role had changed and killing nightson. but, I didn't like how that worked out in guapo's game at TR when he brought you back after killing you when you''d been doc-protected.
We both took a break to think things over and decided that killing nightson and taking away the day kill was the most balanced solution to my fuck-up.
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 05:07 AM
Wow, what a convoluted sentence. I'll start again. diva was willing to jump on a competing Feck wagon against UT and asked me the following day why I didn't do it. That and her cool play had me convinced that she was town.
borealis
26th January 2012, 05:08 AM
Mad props to diva who not only kept her cool but was will to jump and was wondering why I didn't start the Feck wagon I mentioned on the day UT was lynched.
That is why I thought she was town.
And borealis was so cool, nary a crack under pressure.
If you could have seen me muttering desperately over my keyboard. :hehe:
That is why I thought she was town.
And borealis was so cool, nary a crack under pressure.
If you could have seen me muttering desperately over my keyboard. :hehe:
divagreen
26th January 2012, 05:09 AM
diva's meta: DAMAGED FOREVER!!!!
:sadyes:
:sadyes:
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 05:11 AM
:hug: borealis and diva. You guys are too nice. Willing to kill me but ob has to say something nice to me. :rofl:
borealis
26th January 2012, 05:13 AM
:hug: borealis and diva. You guys are too nice. Willing to kill me but ob has to say something nice to me. :rofl:
Well, we were wringing our hands over whether you'd lynch CGI or not. It was such a relief when you did, we'd have sent you flowers if we could have. :D
Well, we were wringing our hands over whether you'd lynch CGI or not. It was such a relief when you did, we'd have sent you flowers if we could have. :D
oblivion
26th January 2012, 05:13 AM
borealis, I thought you played an excellent scum game this time out. You're really coming into your own.
When I rolled the random numbers and you came up scum, I was kinda "oh shit" because you've been scum a lot recently. I consoled myself that you have said you like playing scum.
I guess the advice I'd like to give town is this:
considering possibilities is one thing, but you really have to work the probabilities. I really couldn't believe that town lynched their doctor.
scum on the other hand, they have to work the possibilities and keep town off balance.
When I rolled the random numbers and you came up scum, I was kinda "oh shit" because you've been scum a lot recently. I consoled myself that you have said you like playing scum.
I guess the advice I'd like to give town is this:
considering possibilities is one thing, but you really have to work the probabilities. I really couldn't believe that town lynched their doctor.
scum on the other hand, they have to work the possibilities and keep town off balance.
Amok
26th January 2012, 05:17 AM
Congratulations, Scum team.
divagreen
26th January 2012, 05:17 AM
:hug: borealis and diva. You guys are too nice. Willing to kill me but ob has to say something nice to me. :rofl:
Well, we were wringing our hands over whether you'd lynch CGI or not. It was such a relief when you did, we'd have sent you flowers if we could have. :D
This is true. :yes:
Well, we were wringing our hands over whether you'd lynch CGI or not. It was such a relief when you did, we'd have sent you flowers if we could have. :D
This is true. :yes:
borealis
26th January 2012, 05:17 AM
borealis, I thought you played an excellent scum game this time out. You're really coming into your own.
When I rolled the random numbers and you came up scum, I was kinda "oh shit" because you've been scum a lot recently. I consoled myself that you have said you like playing scum.
I guess the advice I'd like to give town is this:
considering possibilities is one thing, but you really have to work the probabilities. I really couldn't believe that town lynched their doctor.
scum on the other hand, they have to work the possibilities and keep town off balance.
Thanks for that. I do like scum and indie roles, but it is weird how frequently I end up playing scum.
I was pretty amazed we were able to convince town to lynch the doc, too.
When I rolled the random numbers and you came up scum, I was kinda "oh shit" because you've been scum a lot recently. I consoled myself that you have said you like playing scum.
I guess the advice I'd like to give town is this:
considering possibilities is one thing, but you really have to work the probabilities. I really couldn't believe that town lynched their doctor.
scum on the other hand, they have to work the possibilities and keep town off balance.
Thanks for that. I do like scum and indie roles, but it is weird how frequently I end up playing scum.
I was pretty amazed we were able to convince town to lynch the doc, too.
Amok
26th January 2012, 05:18 AM
Why did I get killed on Night One, by the way? And was Jerome the other player who wanted to sub out?
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 05:19 AM
:no: Yeah, I spent a lot of time thinking about balance and how town had a vig and and a one shot and a cop and I couldn't see a doc fitting in the end. Especially since we had seen no evidence of scum power roles.
And lynching the doc is different to lynching the claimed doc. Of course to lynch the doc you have to lynch the claimed doc first.
And lynching the doc is different to lynching the claimed doc. Of course to lynch the doc you have to lynch the claimed doc first.
nostrum
26th January 2012, 05:19 AM
borealis, I thought you played an excellent scum game this time out. You're really coming into your own.
When I rolled the random numbers and you came up scum, I was kinda "oh shit" because you've been scum a lot recently. I consoled myself that you have said you like playing scum.
I guess the advice I'd like to give town is this:
considering possibilities is one thing, but you really have to work the probabilities. I really couldn't believe that town lynched their doctor.
scum on the other hand, they have to work the possibilities and keep town off balance.
yabut town couldn't know that scum had bizarre balancing roles like a day-kill...
I know I had a shocker, my game was totally thrown by zigmen, then WIFOM over me (imagine if diva had outed and killed someone http://talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_763.gif ) but I think town really was up against it for figuring this thing out. Scum's amazing play was in the NKs IMO.
When I rolled the random numbers and you came up scum, I was kinda "oh shit" because you've been scum a lot recently. I consoled myself that you have said you like playing scum.
I guess the advice I'd like to give town is this:
considering possibilities is one thing, but you really have to work the probabilities. I really couldn't believe that town lynched their doctor.
scum on the other hand, they have to work the possibilities and keep town off balance.
yabut town couldn't know that scum had bizarre balancing roles like a day-kill...
I know I had a shocker, my game was totally thrown by zigmen, then WIFOM over me (imagine if diva had outed and killed someone http://talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_763.gif ) but I think town really was up against it for figuring this thing out. Scum's amazing play was in the NKs IMO.
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 05:21 AM
borealis, I thought you played an excellent scum game this time out. You're really coming into your own.
When I rolled the random numbers and you came up scum, I was kinda "oh shit" because you've been scum a lot recently. I consoled myself that you have said you like playing scum.
I guess the advice I'd like to give town is this:
considering possibilities is one thing, but you really have to work the probabilities. I really couldn't believe that town lynched their doctor.
scum on the other hand, they have to work the possibilities and keep town off balance.
yabut town couldn't know that scum had bizarre balancing roles like a day-kill...
I know I had a shocker, my game was totally thrown by zigmen, then WIFOM over me (imagine if diva had outed and killed someone http://talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_763.gif ) but I think town really was up against it for figuring this thing out. Scum's amazing play was in the NKs IMO.
Agree with the caveat that their in thread play was really good too. They knew who to leave in to sow the greatest amount of confusion. And then they exploited the hell out of it.
When I rolled the random numbers and you came up scum, I was kinda "oh shit" because you've been scum a lot recently. I consoled myself that you have said you like playing scum.
I guess the advice I'd like to give town is this:
considering possibilities is one thing, but you really have to work the probabilities. I really couldn't believe that town lynched their doctor.
scum on the other hand, they have to work the possibilities and keep town off balance.
yabut town couldn't know that scum had bizarre balancing roles like a day-kill...
I know I had a shocker, my game was totally thrown by zigmen, then WIFOM over me (imagine if diva had outed and killed someone http://talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_763.gif ) but I think town really was up against it for figuring this thing out. Scum's amazing play was in the NKs IMO.
Agree with the caveat that their in thread play was really good too. They knew who to leave in to sow the greatest amount of confusion. And then they exploited the hell out of it.
borealis
26th January 2012, 05:24 AM
Why did I get killed on Night One, by the way? And was Jerome the other player who wanted to sub out?
It was a choice among you, Elouise and Athene, all of whom we thought might be specials. You and Elouise were not very involved in the game D1, and specials sometimes tend to hang back a bit to try to hide, ime.
I was tempted to nk Athene early because she reads me really well, and in fact knew I was scum D1.
Yes, jerome subbed out, but then he was killed anyway.
It was a choice among you, Elouise and Athene, all of whom we thought might be specials. You and Elouise were not very involved in the game D1, and specials sometimes tend to hang back a bit to try to hide, ime.
I was tempted to nk Athene early because she reads me really well, and in fact knew I was scum D1.
Yes, jerome subbed out, but then he was killed anyway.
divagreen
26th January 2012, 05:25 AM
borealis, I thought you played an excellent scum game this time out. You're really coming into your own.
When I rolled the random numbers and you came up scum, I was kinda "oh shit" because you've been scum a lot recently. I consoled myself that you have said you like playing scum.
I guess the advice I'd like to give town is this:
considering possibilities is one thing, but you really have to work the probabilities. I really couldn't believe that town lynched their doctor.
scum on the other hand, they have to work the possibilities and keep town off balance.
yabut town couldn't know that scum had bizarre balancing roles like a day-kill...
I know I had a shocker, my game was totally thrown by zigmen, then WIFOM over me (imagine if diva had outed and killed someone http://talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_763.gif ) but I think town really was up against it for figuring this thing out. Scum's amazing play was in the NKs IMO.
That would be Borealis. :cheer:
When I rolled the random numbers and you came up scum, I was kinda "oh shit" because you've been scum a lot recently. I consoled myself that you have said you like playing scum.
I guess the advice I'd like to give town is this:
considering possibilities is one thing, but you really have to work the probabilities. I really couldn't believe that town lynched their doctor.
scum on the other hand, they have to work the possibilities and keep town off balance.
yabut town couldn't know that scum had bizarre balancing roles like a day-kill...
I know I had a shocker, my game was totally thrown by zigmen, then WIFOM over me (imagine if diva had outed and killed someone http://talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_763.gif ) but I think town really was up against it for figuring this thing out. Scum's amazing play was in the NKs IMO.
That would be Borealis. :cheer:
borealis
26th January 2012, 05:27 AM
borealis, I thought you played an excellent scum game this time out. You're really coming into your own.
When I rolled the random numbers and you came up scum, I was kinda "oh shit" because you've been scum a lot recently. I consoled myself that you have said you like playing scum.
I guess the advice I'd like to give town is this:
considering possibilities is one thing, but you really have to work the probabilities. I really couldn't believe that town lynched their doctor.
scum on the other hand, they have to work the possibilities and keep town off balance.
yabut town couldn't know that scum had bizarre balancing roles like a day-kill...
I know I had a shocker, my game was totally thrown by zigmen, then WIFOM over me (imagine if diva had outed and killed someone http://talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_763.gif ) but I think town really was up against it for figuring this thing out. Scum's amazing play was in the NKs IMO.
Agree with the caveat that their in thread play was really good too. They knew who to leave in to sow the greatest amount of confusion. And then they exploited the hell out of it.
MZ worried me constantly. he had a good idea who scum were, but he kept killing town, so it was always tempting to leave him one more night.
When I rolled the random numbers and you came up scum, I was kinda "oh shit" because you've been scum a lot recently. I consoled myself that you have said you like playing scum.
I guess the advice I'd like to give town is this:
considering possibilities is one thing, but you really have to work the probabilities. I really couldn't believe that town lynched their doctor.
scum on the other hand, they have to work the possibilities and keep town off balance.
yabut town couldn't know that scum had bizarre balancing roles like a day-kill...
I know I had a shocker, my game was totally thrown by zigmen, then WIFOM over me (imagine if diva had outed and killed someone http://talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_763.gif ) but I think town really was up against it for figuring this thing out. Scum's amazing play was in the NKs IMO.
Agree with the caveat that their in thread play was really good too. They knew who to leave in to sow the greatest amount of confusion. And then they exploited the hell out of it.
MZ worried me constantly. he had a good idea who scum were, but he kept killing town, so it was always tempting to leave him one more night.
oblivion
26th January 2012, 05:30 AM
So...a couple of mysteries to resolve here.
This is the question that CGI asked me about the scum night kill.
The thread title was "nk"
scum kill last right?
This was the night that his protection of Adenosine was successful.
I thought he was trying to pump me for whether MZ's kill was a scum kill or not, so I sent him a cagey reply:
scum kill last right?
The OP is complete.
I'm not sure what he derived from that.
In this game, all kills went through. I change up my kill order algorithm occasionally. You guys spend so much time researching my GM meta that I can't use the same internal rules every game. :whyyou:
This is the question that CGI asked me about the scum night kill.
The thread title was "nk"
scum kill last right?
This was the night that his protection of Adenosine was successful.
I thought he was trying to pump me for whether MZ's kill was a scum kill or not, so I sent him a cagey reply:
scum kill last right?
The OP is complete.
I'm not sure what he derived from that.
In this game, all kills went through. I change up my kill order algorithm occasionally. You guys spend so much time researching my GM meta that I can't use the same internal rules every game. :whyyou:
oblivion
26th January 2012, 05:52 AM
So, I had originally planned to make this a simple and straightforward game design that wouldn't throw new players for too much of a loop.
Then the player roster turned out to be all veterans who play with each other frequently. So, I threw my simple design out and went for a hall of mirrors approach instead.
I may have been too successful. :unsure:
oblivion final :colbert:
by day 4, I realized that I had ventured way closer to bastard GM territory than I had intended.
When th1nk3r inevitably arrives to flay me alive, I'm going to point out that this game did not feature 3 seers, a traitor flavor cop, an un-self-aware miller and a paranoid gun owner who morphed into a serial killer. :stuckup:
Then the player roster turned out to be all veterans who play with each other frequently. So, I threw my simple design out and went for a hall of mirrors approach instead.
I may have been too successful. :unsure:
oblivion final :colbert:
by day 4, I realized that I had ventured way closer to bastard GM territory than I had intended.
When th1nk3r inevitably arrives to flay me alive, I'm going to point out that this game did not feature 3 seers, a traitor flavor cop, an un-self-aware miller and a paranoid gun owner who morphed into a serial killer. :stuckup:
divagreen
26th January 2012, 05:55 AM
It was a really good game, Ob. Thank you. :)
divagreen
26th January 2012, 05:56 AM
I wonder if CGI will accept my friend request. :hehe:
nostrum
26th January 2012, 06:00 AM
So, I had originally planned to make this a simple and straightforward game design that wouldn't throw new players for too much of a loop.
Then the player roster turned out to be all veterans who play with each other frequently. So, I threw my simple design out and went for a hall of mirrors approach instead.
I may have been too successful. :unsure:
oblivion final :colbert:
by day 4, I realized that I had ventured way closer to bastard GM territory than I had intended.
When th1nk3r inevitably arrives to flay me alive, I'm going to point out that this game did not feature 3 seers, a traitor flavor cop, an un-self-aware miller and a paranoid gun owner who morphed into a serial killer. :stuckup:
:hehe: yabut.... th1nk3r....
Thanks for the game, I'll possibly never recover. :no: :thumbsup:
Then the player roster turned out to be all veterans who play with each other frequently. So, I threw my simple design out and went for a hall of mirrors approach instead.
I may have been too successful. :unsure:
oblivion final :colbert:
by day 4, I realized that I had ventured way closer to bastard GM territory than I had intended.
When th1nk3r inevitably arrives to flay me alive, I'm going to point out that this game did not feature 3 seers, a traitor flavor cop, an un-self-aware miller and a paranoid gun owner who morphed into a serial killer. :stuckup:
:hehe: yabut.... th1nk3r....
Thanks for the game, I'll possibly never recover. :no: :thumbsup:
nostrum
26th January 2012, 06:03 AM
I wonder if CGI will accept my friend request. :hehe:
you should have got in earlier, like I did :p
you should have got in earlier, like I did :p
Mantisdreamz
26th January 2012, 06:51 AM
nostrum! Why didn't you wait for me to say something ?!
Can't believe it. Diva and Borealis. :whyyou:
Can't believe it. Diva and Borealis. :whyyou:
Mantisdreamz
26th January 2012, 06:58 AM
You guys played a really good scum game. Even the theatrics you had with Feck, diva. And borealis's stand against CGI looked very town.
Thanks ob. :)
Thanks ob. :)
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 08:08 AM
nostrum you should be the day 1 lynch for a long time
diva i still expect you to honor the bet
diva i still expect you to honor the bet
nostrum
26th January 2012, 08:12 AM
nostrum! Why didn't you wait for me to say something ?!
Can't believe it. Diva and Borealis. :whyyou:
Sorry about that, mantis! I fell for the NOW-DEFUNCT diva theatrics=town meta
Can't believe it. Diva and Borealis. :whyyou:
Sorry about that, mantis! I fell for the NOW-DEFUNCT diva theatrics=town meta
nostrum
26th January 2012, 08:13 AM
nostrum you should be the day 1 lynch for a long time
diva i still expect you to honor the bet
should not :colbert:
diva i still expect you to honor the bet
should not :colbert:
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 08:21 AM
how the hell can mantis be scum when she voted borealis instead of me yesterday?
this is worse than aden's vote, he did not have my flip.
this is worse than aden's vote, he did not have my flip.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 08:27 AM
When th1nk3r inevitably arrives to flay me alive, I'm going to point out that this game did not feature 3 seers, a traitor flavor cop, an un-self-aware miller and a paranoid gun owner who morphed into a serial killer. :stuckup:
scum day kill is a really bad idea, but except for that i got no beef with you. maybe you should have announced what you did to balance the game. i am amazed at how much people here would rather wifom themselves over what the GM did to help their lack of reading skills. the irony is that it never works. it's like playing cowboys with chess pieces and having the impression that you're any good at chess.
i suspect the un-aware bomb was added in last night but i can't fault you for that. if we won scum would say it was unfair though.
i am amazed that despite mz and nostrum killing townies exclusively, and despite wasting a lynch on gonzo, we should have won in the end if it wasn't for a couple of shit-for brains.
scum day kill is a really bad idea, but except for that i got no beef with you. maybe you should have announced what you did to balance the game. i am amazed at how much people here would rather wifom themselves over what the GM did to help their lack of reading skills. the irony is that it never works. it's like playing cowboys with chess pieces and having the impression that you're any good at chess.
i suspect the un-aware bomb was added in last night but i can't fault you for that. if we won scum would say it was unfair though.
i am amazed that despite mz and nostrum killing townies exclusively, and despite wasting a lynch on gonzo, we should have won in the end if it wasn't for a couple of shit-for brains.
Feck
26th January 2012, 09:01 AM
Thank you scum team ,Thank you Oblivion the scum Daykill matching a town Day kill was a masterstoke of game design (shame we never got to use it ) .
About the game fix ..... no scum would not complain:happyno: the difference is nothing numerically and even though we didn't get to choose which player to kill which would have helped us a LOT Diva would have had to declare her kill .
I would like to thank MZ for not killing me and Nostrum for being sure I was town .
About the game fix ..... no scum would not complain:happyno: the difference is nothing numerically and even though we didn't get to choose which player to kill which would have helped us a LOT Diva would have had to declare her kill .
I would like to thank MZ for not killing me and Nostrum for being sure I was town .
nostrum
26th January 2012, 09:05 AM
Thank you scum team ,Thank you Oblivion the scum Daykill matching a town Day kill was a masterstoke of game design (shame we never got to use it ) .
About the game fix ..... no scum would not complain:happyno: the difference is nothing numerically and even though we didn't get to choose which player to kill which would have helped us a LOT Diva would have had to declare her kill .
I would like to thank MZ for not killing me and Nostrum for being sure I was town .
:whyyou: no more meta for you either :hmph:
About the game fix ..... no scum would not complain:happyno: the difference is nothing numerically and even though we didn't get to choose which player to kill which would have helped us a LOT Diva would have had to declare her kill .
I would like to thank MZ for not killing me and Nostrum for being sure I was town .
:whyyou: no more meta for you either :hmph:
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 09:07 AM
When th1nk3r inevitably arrives to flay me alive, I'm going to point out that this game did not feature 3 seers, a traitor flavor cop, an un-self-aware miller and a paranoid gun owner who morphed into a serial killer. :stuckup:
scum day kill is a really bad idea, but except for that i got no beef with you. maybe you should have announced what you did to balance the game. i am amazed at how much people here would rather wifom themselves over what the GM did to help their lack of reading skills. the irony is that it never works. it's like playing cowboys with chess pieces and having the impression that you're any good at chess.
i suspect the un-aware bomb was added in last night but i can't fault you for that. if we won scum would say it was unfair though.
i am amazed that despite mz and nostrum killing townies exclusively, and despite wasting a lynch on gonzo, we should have won in the end if it wasn't for a couple of shit-for brains.
While vitriol is being thrown around, shall we mention your bullying tactics towards pretty much everyone which got worse when you were called on it. While I made some crap decisions, I'll point out, Captain Oblivious, that there were still two scum left in a field of six. If you were the uberplayer you're making yourself out to be you would have removed more of them before it got to that point. So quite frankly, fuck you too Captain Shit For Brains. You want to know why I lynched you? Because of your air of fucking smugness through the whole game. You never expressed any doubt, you always brushed your fuck ups away. When something was brought up that you didn't want to talk about you shut it down. You are the reason I voted for you. Because you were playing like the fucking Don that had been viewed.
:hug:
scum day kill is a really bad idea, but except for that i got no beef with you. maybe you should have announced what you did to balance the game. i am amazed at how much people here would rather wifom themselves over what the GM did to help their lack of reading skills. the irony is that it never works. it's like playing cowboys with chess pieces and having the impression that you're any good at chess.
i suspect the un-aware bomb was added in last night but i can't fault you for that. if we won scum would say it was unfair though.
i am amazed that despite mz and nostrum killing townies exclusively, and despite wasting a lynch on gonzo, we should have won in the end if it wasn't for a couple of shit-for brains.
While vitriol is being thrown around, shall we mention your bullying tactics towards pretty much everyone which got worse when you were called on it. While I made some crap decisions, I'll point out, Captain Oblivious, that there were still two scum left in a field of six. If you were the uberplayer you're making yourself out to be you would have removed more of them before it got to that point. So quite frankly, fuck you too Captain Shit For Brains. You want to know why I lynched you? Because of your air of fucking smugness through the whole game. You never expressed any doubt, you always brushed your fuck ups away. When something was brought up that you didn't want to talk about you shut it down. You are the reason I voted for you. Because you were playing like the fucking Don that had been viewed.
:hug:
Feck
26th January 2012, 09:08 AM
Thank you scum team ,Thank you Oblivion the scum Daykill matching a town Day kill was a masterstoke of game design (shame we never got to use it ) .
About the game fix ..... no scum would not complain:happyno: the difference is nothing numerically and even though we didn't get to choose which player to kill which would have helped us a LOT Diva would have had to declare her kill .
I would like to thank MZ for not killing me and Nostrum for being sure I was town .
:whyyou: no more meta for you either :hmph:
I think My Meta is unchanged :hehe:
About the game fix ..... no scum would not complain:happyno: the difference is nothing numerically and even though we didn't get to choose which player to kill which would have helped us a LOT Diva would have had to declare her kill .
I would like to thank MZ for not killing me and Nostrum for being sure I was town .
:whyyou: no more meta for you either :hmph:
I think My Meta is unchanged :hehe:
nostrum
26th January 2012, 09:09 AM
Thank you scum team ,Thank you Oblivion the scum Daykill matching a town Day kill was a masterstoke of game design (shame we never got to use it ) .
About the game fix ..... no scum would not complain:happyno: the difference is nothing numerically and even though we didn't get to choose which player to kill which would have helped us a LOT Diva would have had to declare her kill .
I would like to thank MZ for not killing me and Nostrum for being sure I was town .
:whyyou: no more meta for you either :hmph:
I think My Meta is unchanged :hehe:
you got me there :sadyes:
:owned:
About the game fix ..... no scum would not complain:happyno: the difference is nothing numerically and even though we didn't get to choose which player to kill which would have helped us a LOT Diva would have had to declare her kill .
I would like to thank MZ for not killing me and Nostrum for being sure I was town .
:whyyou: no more meta for you either :hmph:
I think My Meta is unchanged :hehe:
you got me there :sadyes:
:owned:
Mantisdreamz
26th January 2012, 09:10 AM
nostrum! Why didn't you wait for me to say something ?!
Can't believe it. Diva and Borealis. :whyyou:
Sorry about that, mantis! I fell for the NOW-DEFUNCT diva theatrics=town meta
:colbert:
Can't believe it. Diva and Borealis. :whyyou:
Sorry about that, mantis! I fell for the NOW-DEFUNCT diva theatrics=town meta
:colbert:
nostrum
26th January 2012, 09:10 AM
When th1nk3r inevitably arrives to flay me alive, I'm going to point out that this game did not feature 3 seers, a traitor flavor cop, an un-self-aware miller and a paranoid gun owner who morphed into a serial killer. :stuckup:
scum day kill is a really bad idea, but except for that i got no beef with you. maybe you should have announced what you did to balance the game. i am amazed at how much people here would rather wifom themselves over what the GM did to help their lack of reading skills. the irony is that it never works. it's like playing cowboys with chess pieces and having the impression that you're any good at chess.
i suspect the un-aware bomb was added in last night but i can't fault you for that. if we won scum would say it was unfair though.
i am amazed that despite mz and nostrum killing townies exclusively, and despite wasting a lynch on gonzo, we should have won in the end if it wasn't for a couple of shit-for brains.
While vitriol is being thrown around, shall we mention your bullying tactics towards pretty much everyone which got worse when you were called on it. While I made some crap decisions, I'll point out, Captain Oblivious, that there were still two scum left in a field of six. If you were the uberplayer you're making yourself out to be you would have removed more of them before it got to that point. So quite frankly, fuck you too Captain Shit For Brains. You want to know why I lynched you? Because of your air of fucking smugness through the whole game. You never expressed any doubt, you always brushed your fuck ups away. When something was brought up that you didn't want to talk about you shut it down. You are the reason I voted for you. Because you were playing like the fucking Don that had been viewed.
:hug:
The apoplexy was worth the price of admission IMO :p
scum day kill is a really bad idea, but except for that i got no beef with you. maybe you should have announced what you did to balance the game. i am amazed at how much people here would rather wifom themselves over what the GM did to help their lack of reading skills. the irony is that it never works. it's like playing cowboys with chess pieces and having the impression that you're any good at chess.
i suspect the un-aware bomb was added in last night but i can't fault you for that. if we won scum would say it was unfair though.
i am amazed that despite mz and nostrum killing townies exclusively, and despite wasting a lynch on gonzo, we should have won in the end if it wasn't for a couple of shit-for brains.
While vitriol is being thrown around, shall we mention your bullying tactics towards pretty much everyone which got worse when you were called on it. While I made some crap decisions, I'll point out, Captain Oblivious, that there were still two scum left in a field of six. If you were the uberplayer you're making yourself out to be you would have removed more of them before it got to that point. So quite frankly, fuck you too Captain Shit For Brains. You want to know why I lynched you? Because of your air of fucking smugness through the whole game. You never expressed any doubt, you always brushed your fuck ups away. When something was brought up that you didn't want to talk about you shut it down. You are the reason I voted for you. Because you were playing like the fucking Don that had been viewed.
:hug:
The apoplexy was worth the price of admission IMO :p
nostrum
26th January 2012, 09:11 AM
nostrum! Why didn't you wait for me to say something ?!
Can't believe it. Diva and Borealis. :whyyou:
Sorry about that, mantis! I fell for the NOW-DEFUNCT diva theatrics=town meta
:colbert:
I know, crap excuse. :hug: I'll always believe you over diva from now on, you are WAY more trustworthy :yes:
Can't believe it. Diva and Borealis. :whyyou:
Sorry about that, mantis! I fell for the NOW-DEFUNCT diva theatrics=town meta
:colbert:
I know, crap excuse. :hug: I'll always believe you over diva from now on, you are WAY more trustworthy :yes:
Mantisdreamz
26th January 2012, 09:16 AM
nostrum! Why didn't you wait for me to say something ?!
Can't believe it. Diva and Borealis. :whyyou:
Sorry about that, mantis! I fell for the NOW-DEFUNCT diva theatrics=town meta
:colbert:
I know, crap excuse. :hug: I'll always believe you over diva from now on, you are WAY more trustworthy :yes:
:whyyou:
I'll take that tho....
Can't believe it. Diva and Borealis. :whyyou:
Sorry about that, mantis! I fell for the NOW-DEFUNCT diva theatrics=town meta
:colbert:
I know, crap excuse. :hug: I'll always believe you over diva from now on, you are WAY more trustworthy :yes:
:whyyou:
I'll take that tho....
gib
26th January 2012, 09:20 AM
MR town is retarded, next time listen to the grown ups
Feck
26th January 2012, 09:22 AM
MR town is retarded, next time listen to the grown ups
Yeah listen to the grown ups when they say Feck isn't looking scummy :wave:
Yeah listen to the grown ups when they say Feck isn't looking scummy :wave:
gib
26th January 2012, 09:23 AM
MR town is retarded, next time listen to the grown ups
Yeah listen to the grown ups when they say Feck isn't looking scummy :wave:
huh
Yeah listen to the grown ups when they say Feck isn't looking scummy :wave:
huh
gib
26th January 2012, 09:26 AM
and MSG you can stfu too whatever it is you're about to say
MSG
26th January 2012, 09:27 AM
congratulations Dad :hug:
gib
26th January 2012, 09:27 AM
i'm tired go away and leave me alone
MSG
26th January 2012, 09:28 AM
no, that's mrs gib who gets to say shit like that. you go and change a nappy and cook some breakfast
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 09:29 AM
When th1nk3r inevitably arrives to flay me alive, I'm going to point out that this game did not feature 3 seers, a traitor flavor cop, an un-self-aware miller and a paranoid gun owner who morphed into a serial killer. :stuckup:
scum day kill is a really bad idea, but except for that i got no beef with you. maybe you should have announced what you did to balance the game. i am amazed at how much people here would rather wifom themselves over what the GM did to help their lack of reading skills. the irony is that it never works. it's like playing cowboys with chess pieces and having the impression that you're any good at chess.
i suspect the un-aware bomb was added in last night but i can't fault you for that. if we won scum would say it was unfair though.
i am amazed that despite mz and nostrum killing townies exclusively, and despite wasting a lynch on gonzo, we should have won in the end if it wasn't for a couple of shit-for brains.
While vitriol is being thrown around, shall we mention your bullying tactics towards pretty much everyone which got worse when you were called on it. While I made some crap decisions, I'll point out, Captain Oblivious, that there were still two scum left in a field of six. If you were the uberplayer you're making yourself out to be you would have removed more of them before it got to that point. So quite frankly, fuck you too Captain Shit For Brains. You want to know why I lynched you? Because of your air of fucking smugness through the whole game. You never expressed any doubt, you always brushed your fuck ups away. When something was brought up that you didn't want to talk about you shut it down. You are the reason I voted for you. Because you were playing like the fucking Don that had been viewed.
:hug:
The apoplexy was worth the price of admission IMO :p
:rofl: Well I feel better.
scum day kill is a really bad idea, but except for that i got no beef with you. maybe you should have announced what you did to balance the game. i am amazed at how much people here would rather wifom themselves over what the GM did to help their lack of reading skills. the irony is that it never works. it's like playing cowboys with chess pieces and having the impression that you're any good at chess.
i suspect the un-aware bomb was added in last night but i can't fault you for that. if we won scum would say it was unfair though.
i am amazed that despite mz and nostrum killing townies exclusively, and despite wasting a lynch on gonzo, we should have won in the end if it wasn't for a couple of shit-for brains.
While vitriol is being thrown around, shall we mention your bullying tactics towards pretty much everyone which got worse when you were called on it. While I made some crap decisions, I'll point out, Captain Oblivious, that there were still two scum left in a field of six. If you were the uberplayer you're making yourself out to be you would have removed more of them before it got to that point. So quite frankly, fuck you too Captain Shit For Brains. You want to know why I lynched you? Because of your air of fucking smugness through the whole game. You never expressed any doubt, you always brushed your fuck ups away. When something was brought up that you didn't want to talk about you shut it down. You are the reason I voted for you. Because you were playing like the fucking Don that had been viewed.
:hug:
The apoplexy was worth the price of admission IMO :p
:rofl: Well I feel better.
Magicziggy
26th January 2012, 09:30 AM
Thank you scum team ,Thank you Oblivion the scum Daykill matching a town Day kill was a masterstoke of game design (shame we never got to use it ) .
About the game fix ..... no scum would not complain:happyno: the difference is nothing numerically and even though we didn't get to choose which player to kill which would have helped us a LOT Diva would have had to declare her kill .
I would like to thank MZ for not killing me and Nostrum for being sure I was town .
You're welcome. I love this game ;)
About the game fix ..... no scum would not complain:happyno: the difference is nothing numerically and even though we didn't get to choose which player to kill which would have helped us a LOT Diva would have had to declare her kill .
I would like to thank MZ for not killing me and Nostrum for being sure I was town .
You're welcome. I love this game ;)
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 09:39 AM
I wonder if CGI will accept my friend request. :hehe:
i like how you played, you did what needed to be done. all is fair in love and war. i don't take scum attacks personally.
what i do have a problem with not taking personally is town who would believe the most absurd scenarios in the face of elementary logic, just because their brains can't even wrap around the thought that they could be wrong about someone.
i like how you played, you did what needed to be done. all is fair in love and war. i don't take scum attacks personally.
what i do have a problem with not taking personally is town who would believe the most absurd scenarios in the face of elementary logic, just because their brains can't even wrap around the thought that they could be wrong about someone.
oblivion
26th January 2012, 09:41 AM
actually the bomb was in the game from the start. :smug:
I went back and forth a bit over self aware vs not when I was thinking about the design, though.
Night 1 was amazing. It looked like scum would be decimated. gib put in a view of feck and mz put in a kill of borealis.
I thought it was going to be a short game.
they both changed their minds and targeted town.
I went back and forth a bit over self aware vs not when I was thinking about the design, though.
Night 1 was amazing. It looked like scum would be decimated. gib put in a view of feck and mz put in a kill of borealis.
I thought it was going to be a short game.
they both changed their minds and targeted town.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 09:41 AM
even though we didn't get to choose which player to kill which would have helped us a LOT Diva would have had to declare her kill .
that is something entirely different. this part i do have a problem with. raven :whyyou:
that is something entirely different. this part i do have a problem with. raven :whyyou:
gib
26th January 2012, 09:42 AM
no, that's mrs gib who gets to say shit like that. you go and change a nappy and cook some breakfast
thankfully i'm at work right now
thankfully i'm at work right now
oblivion
26th January 2012, 09:44 AM
even though we didn't get to choose which player to kill which would have helped us a LOT Diva would have had to declare her kill .
that is something entirely different. this part i do have a problem with. raven :whyyou:
originally she had the choice of target. killing NS and taking away the kill was equivalent to having a kill but not the choice of whom to kill.
that is something entirely different. this part i do have a problem with. raven :whyyou:
originally she had the choice of target. killing NS and taking away the kill was equivalent to having a kill but not the choice of whom to kill.
gib
26th January 2012, 09:47 AM
Fantastic game town. We didn't think we had a chance of winning after the Nightson/Eric fiasco. After that it became a contest as to see who could make CGI's head explode. I think Feck won that one. We also had a post the word mini game going on, lol.
scumboard: http://123.writeboard.com/rbsit17h9apn2qwo2t4duhxy
password: nefarious
yeah I have noted how I have been completely dumped. I am feeling less guilty about betraying Gib.
wat
scumboard: http://123.writeboard.com/rbsit17h9apn2qwo2t4duhxy
password: nefarious
yeah I have noted how I have been completely dumped. I am feeling less guilty about betraying Gib.
wat
gib
26th January 2012, 09:48 AM
I wonder if CGI will accept my friend request. :hehe:
i like how you played, you did what neded to be done. all is fair in love and war. i don't take scum attacks personally.
what i do have a problem with not taking personally is town who would believe the most absurd scenarios in the face of elementary logic, just because their brains can't even wrap around the thought that they could be wrong about someone.
i did wonder if you were the don but you have to go with the odds which is why i reported you as 90% town, which no doubt gave me away as seer and was essentially ignored anyway!
i like how you played, you did what neded to be done. all is fair in love and war. i don't take scum attacks personally.
what i do have a problem with not taking personally is town who would believe the most absurd scenarios in the face of elementary logic, just because their brains can't even wrap around the thought that they could be wrong about someone.
i did wonder if you were the don but you have to go with the odds which is why i reported you as 90% town, which no doubt gave me away as seer and was essentially ignored anyway!
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 09:53 AM
You never expressed any doubt
http://www.talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_434.gif
you sound like you got your period. yes it's all my fault you put your ego ahead of your judgement and your team. it's all my fault that you would rather believe 2 scum would claim doc than believe a seer verified townie with a solid claim would play with confidence.
http://www.talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_434.gif
you sound like you got your period. yes it's all my fault you put your ego ahead of your judgement and your team. it's all my fault that you would rather believe 2 scum would claim doc than believe a seer verified townie with a solid claim would play with confidence.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 09:55 AM
even though we didn't get to choose which player to kill which would have helped us a LOT Diva would have had to declare her kill .that is something entirely different. this part i do have a problem with. raven :whyyou:
originally she had the choice of target. killing NS and taking away the kill was equivalent to having a kill but not the choice of whom to kill.
yeah but announcing the kill is like 10x more important to the balance for the town side as choosing the kill target is for the scum side.
you made it a lot worse, next time you make a mistake just leave it like that, don't do anything.
originally she had the choice of target. killing NS and taking away the kill was equivalent to having a kill but not the choice of whom to kill.
yeah but announcing the kill is like 10x more important to the balance for the town side as choosing the kill target is for the scum side.
you made it a lot worse, next time you make a mistake just leave it like that, don't do anything.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 09:58 AM
actually the bomb was in the game from the start. :smug:
I went back and forth a bit over self aware vs not when I was thinking about the design, though.
Night 1 was amazing. It looked like scum would be decimated. gib put in a view of feck and mz put in a kill of borealis.
I thought it was going to be a short game.
they both changed their minds and targeted town.
you should never take changes, if you allow second guessing it is an open invitation to fuck up. announce that all moves are final and let them think it through before they send it in.
I went back and forth a bit over self aware vs not when I was thinking about the design, though.
Night 1 was amazing. It looked like scum would be decimated. gib put in a view of feck and mz put in a kill of borealis.
I thought it was going to be a short game.
they both changed their minds and targeted town.
you should never take changes, if you allow second guessing it is an open invitation to fuck up. announce that all moves are final and let them think it through before they send it in.
oblivion
26th January 2012, 10:05 AM
lol
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 10:11 AM
You never expressed any doubt
http://www.talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_434.gif
you sound like you got your period. yes it's all my fault you put your ego ahead of your judgement and your team. it's all my fault that you would rather believe 2 scum would claim doc than believe a seer verified townie with a solid claim would play with confidence.
Ooh, ladyburn!
I did change my mind towards you halfway through the game, remember? Except that you kept playing like an entitled dick so in the end I guessed that you were the scummy donny one.
http://www.talkrational.org/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_434.gif
you sound like you got your period. yes it's all my fault you put your ego ahead of your judgement and your team. it's all my fault that you would rather believe 2 scum would claim doc than believe a seer verified townie with a solid claim would play with confidence.
Ooh, ladyburn!
I did change my mind towards you halfway through the game, remember? Except that you kept playing like an entitled dick so in the end I guessed that you were the scummy donny one.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 10:13 AM
and we're all glad we now know that you'd rather take wild guesses than think stuff through.
charlou
26th January 2012, 10:15 AM
Thanks for the game ob, everyone. Well played scum.
gib
26th January 2012, 10:25 AM
Thanks for the game ob, everyone. Well played scum.
this is exactly the kind of post that does nothing whatsoever to promote postgame meltdowns, shame on you
this is exactly the kind of post that does nothing whatsoever to promote postgame meltdowns, shame on you
Feck
26th January 2012, 10:36 AM
even though we didn't get to choose which player to kill which would have helped us a LOT Diva would have had to declare her kill .that is something entirely different. this part i do have a problem with. raven :whyyou:
originally she had the choice of target. killing NS and taking away the kill was equivalent to having a kill but not the choice of whom to kill.
yeah but announcing the kill is like 10x more important to the balance for the town side as choosing the kill target is for the scum side.
you made it a lot worse, next time you make a mistake just leave it like that, don't do anything.
Everyone is wrong but you CGI we all know you play a better town game than everybody else , nobody can match your scum game and Gosh you are even a better a GM than Oblivion . I'm so lucky to be allowed to play and learn from you CGI :yes:
originally she had the choice of target. killing NS and taking away the kill was equivalent to having a kill but not the choice of whom to kill.
yeah but announcing the kill is like 10x more important to the balance for the town side as choosing the kill target is for the scum side.
you made it a lot worse, next time you make a mistake just leave it like that, don't do anything.
Everyone is wrong but you CGI we all know you play a better town game than everybody else , nobody can match your scum game and Gosh you are even a better a GM than Oblivion . I'm so lucky to be allowed to play and learn from you CGI :yes:
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 10:54 AM
well i never said i was great myself, it is almost impossible to be great in the niche market of extravagant GMs, too much variance.
but seriously, raven is the jerome of gm's. she still has a lot to learn and there is a sizable amount of concepts that she will never understand.
you are far from being able to make this kind of judgement calls with such a tiny sample size and microscopic worldview
but seriously, raven is the jerome of gm's. she still has a lot to learn and there is a sizable amount of concepts that she will never understand.
you are far from being able to make this kind of judgement calls with such a tiny sample size and microscopic worldview
divagreen
26th January 2012, 11:01 AM
nostrum! Why didn't you wait for me to say something ?!
Can't believe it. Diva and Borealis. :whyyou:
It is worth it every single time to play scum, to have Mantis do the shaky fist thing. :p
Can't believe it. Diva and Borealis. :whyyou:
It is worth it every single time to play scum, to have Mantis do the shaky fist thing. :p
divagreen
26th January 2012, 11:03 AM
nostrum you should be the day 1 lynch for a long time
diva i still expect you to honor the bet
I thought the agreement was if you were scum not me! :p
But I will, just send it to me and tell me which boards you want to see it on.
diva i still expect you to honor the bet
I thought the agreement was if you were scum not me! :p
But I will, just send it to me and tell me which boards you want to see it on.
divagreen
26th January 2012, 11:05 AM
how the hell can mantis be scum when she voted borealis instead of me yesterday?
this is worse than aden's vote, he did not have my flip.
I can believe it. If I had not been ready for the game to end and had been around during the evening I would have voted for Borealis too.
And Mantis is a she.
this is worse than aden's vote, he did not have my flip.
I can believe it. If I had not been ready for the game to end and had been around during the evening I would have voted for Borealis too.
And Mantis is a she.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 11:06 AM
And Mantis is a she.
isn't that what i said? :unsure:
isn't that what i said? :unsure:
divagreen
26th January 2012, 11:12 AM
Fantastic game town. We didn't think we had a chance of winning after the Nightson/Eric fiasco. After that it became a contest as to see who could make CGI's head explode. I think Feck won that one. We also had a post the word mini game going on, lol.
scumboard: http://123.writeboard.com/rbsit17h9apn2qwo2t4duhxy
password: nefarious
yeah I have noted how I have been completely dumped. I am feeling less guilty about betraying Gib.wat
You totally dumped me on d3. I thought we had a rapport going. :sadcheer:
And I totally listened to you when you said Aden and CGI were 90% town! That is how I figured out you were the seer! :p
scumboard: http://123.writeboard.com/rbsit17h9apn2qwo2t4duhxy
password: nefarious
yeah I have noted how I have been completely dumped. I am feeling less guilty about betraying Gib.wat
You totally dumped me on d3. I thought we had a rapport going. :sadcheer:
And I totally listened to you when you said Aden and CGI were 90% town! That is how I figured out you were the seer! :p
divagreen
26th January 2012, 11:18 AM
And Mantis is a she.
isn't that what i said? :unsure:
I misread it and hey, you have some foam coming out of your mouth. you should wipe your chin.
<------ is this good?
isn't that what i said? :unsure:
I misread it and hey, you have some foam coming out of your mouth. you should wipe your chin.
<------ is this good?
ericv00
26th January 2012, 11:18 AM
...Mantis was cleared yesterday, nostrum. She would have ended the game by final voting CGI if she had been scum.
Anyway, nice job, scum. Thank you Oblivion!
I have to go to work.
Anyway, nice job, scum. Thank you Oblivion!
I have to go to work.
ericv00
26th January 2012, 11:21 AM
...Mantis was cleared yesterday, nostrum. She would have ended the game by final voting CGI if she had been scum.
Without hesitiation, I should say.
Without hesitiation, I should say.
divagreen
26th January 2012, 11:39 AM
well i never said i was great myself, it is almost impossible to be great in the niche market of extravagant GMs, too much variance.
but seriously, raven is the jerome of gm's. she still has a lot to learn and there is a sizable amount of concepts that she will never understand.
you are far from being able to make this kind of judgement calls with such a tiny sample size and microscopic worldview
I think Raven is a great GM. Her and Teshi are my favourites.
I am not sure what you are crabbing about. The Nightson/Eric debacle hurt us a lot worse than it hurt you. We didn't just lose our only special power, we lost when it was to be executed, to whom it was to be executed on and all of the wifom it would have generated. So scum had no powers this game. Against a seer, a doc, a one shot vig, a vig and a bomb. With a 1:5 ratio.
You should give Nostrum a break cos she has seen the evolution (and has been one of greatest teachers) of my game. In my very first scum role (I was on her team) I struggled to even lie. Now I can manipulate players like you without batting an eye. :cheer: :p
The only reason I voted you was cos Borealis was still in the game and I knew we had a chance to end it today (I was tired of lying to Mantis and Nostrum). If it had been just me, I bet money that I would have played in a way that you still thought that I was town. I can nearly guarantee it. You were my mark and I knew I had to play to you in order to tilt the game. Go back and reread the end of d5.
You should read the scumboard. You kept helping us out so much, that I waffled between you being the doc and you being a traitor, lol. I also said that I think that you are an excellent player and I still think that. :hug:
but seriously, raven is the jerome of gm's. she still has a lot to learn and there is a sizable amount of concepts that she will never understand.
you are far from being able to make this kind of judgement calls with such a tiny sample size and microscopic worldview
I think Raven is a great GM. Her and Teshi are my favourites.
I am not sure what you are crabbing about. The Nightson/Eric debacle hurt us a lot worse than it hurt you. We didn't just lose our only special power, we lost when it was to be executed, to whom it was to be executed on and all of the wifom it would have generated. So scum had no powers this game. Against a seer, a doc, a one shot vig, a vig and a bomb. With a 1:5 ratio.
You should give Nostrum a break cos she has seen the evolution (and has been one of greatest teachers) of my game. In my very first scum role (I was on her team) I struggled to even lie. Now I can manipulate players like you without batting an eye. :cheer: :p
The only reason I voted you was cos Borealis was still in the game and I knew we had a chance to end it today (I was tired of lying to Mantis and Nostrum). If it had been just me, I bet money that I would have played in a way that you still thought that I was town. I can nearly guarantee it. You were my mark and I knew I had to play to you in order to tilt the game. Go back and reread the end of d5.
You should read the scumboard. You kept helping us out so much, that I waffled between you being the doc and you being a traitor, lol. I also said that I think that you are an excellent player and I still think that. :hug:
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 11:45 AM
I think Raven is a great GM. Her and Teshi are my favourites.well like i said, you guys have only played and seen very few games compared to most regulars at other mafia sites. and you only played with people that learned mafia from the same place pretty much. it's like an isolated redneck culture of drooling inbreds patting themselves on the back how smart they are.
charlou
26th January 2012, 11:53 AM
...Mantis was cleared yesterday, nostrum. She would have ended the game by final voting CGI if she had been scum.
This.
This.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 11:56 AM
...Mantis was cleared yesterday, nostrum. She would have ended the game by final voting CGI if she had been scum.
This.
i don't see why we need to keep pointing this out. those who haven't already understood it never will. their feelings are to precious to put aside when they make a final vote.
This.
i don't see why we need to keep pointing this out. those who haven't already understood it never will. their feelings are to precious to put aside when they make a final vote.
Facetious
26th January 2012, 11:58 AM
Fantastic game town. We didn't think we had a chance of winning after the Nightson/Eric fiasco. After that it became a contest as to see who could make CGI's head explode. I think Feck won that one. We also had a post the word mini game going on, lol.
scumboard: http://123.writeboard.com/rbsit17h9apn2qwo2t4duhxy
password: nefarious
borealis ''Correction, KILL Athene. She reads me like a book and never fails to catch me out. Lol!''
:smug:
I just wish I'd pushed for you :sadcheer:
scumboard: http://123.writeboard.com/rbsit17h9apn2qwo2t4duhxy
password: nefarious
borealis ''Correction, KILL Athene. She reads me like a book and never fails to catch me out. Lol!''
:smug:
I just wish I'd pushed for you :sadcheer:
divagreen
26th January 2012, 12:00 PM
I think Raven is a great GM. Her and Teshi are my favourites.well like i said, you guys have only played and seen very few games compared to most regulars at other mafia sites. and you only played with people that learned mafia from the same place pretty much. it's like an isolated redneck culture of drooling inbreds patting themselves on the back how smart they are.
This is where you look horribly arrogant. I have played on 5 different sites, 1 of them with completely different people and this was my 51 game.
Maybe you consider this experience unqualified, but I stand by my opinion that Oblivion is an excellent GM and I love her games.
I really think right now you need a :hug:. You played an awesome game. :)
This is where you look horribly arrogant. I have played on 5 different sites, 1 of them with completely different people and this was my 51 game.
Maybe you consider this experience unqualified, but I stand by my opinion that Oblivion is an excellent GM and I love her games.
I really think right now you need a :hug:. You played an awesome game. :)
Magicziggy
26th January 2012, 12:00 PM
Let's not forget gonzo.
He won. :cheer:
He won. :cheer:
charlou
26th January 2012, 12:01 PM
...Mantis was cleared yesterday, nostrum. She would have ended the game by final voting CGI if she had been scum.
This.
i don't see why we need to keep pointing this out. those who haven't already understood it never will. their feelings are to precious to put aside when they make a final vote.
Arse.
This.
i don't see why we need to keep pointing this out. those who haven't already understood it never will. their feelings are to precious to put aside when they make a final vote.
Arse.
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 12:02 PM
Let's not forget gonzo.
He won. :cheer:
And this. Well done G. :thumbsup:
He won. :cheer:
And this. Well done G. :thumbsup:
divagreen
26th January 2012, 12:05 PM
Let's not forget gonzo.
He won. :cheer:
And this. Well done G. :thumbsup:
:nada:
He won. :cheer:
And this. Well done G. :thumbsup:
:nada:
Facetious
26th January 2012, 12:09 PM
nostrum, do you think it's fair to say that you have a blind spot where diva is concerned?
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 12:14 PM
...Mantis was cleared yesterday, nostrum. She would have ended the game by final voting CGI if she had been scum.
This.
i don't see why we need to keep pointing this out. those who haven't already understood it never will. their feelings are to precious to put aside when they make a final vote.
Arse.
:whyyou:
This.
i don't see why we need to keep pointing this out. those who haven't already understood it never will. their feelings are to precious to put aside when they make a final vote.
Arse.
:whyyou:
charlou
26th January 2012, 12:17 PM
divafeck, your avatar is disconcerting. :eddy:
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 12:32 PM
I think Raven is a great GM. Her and Teshi are my favourites.well like i said, you guys have only played and seen very few games compared to most regulars at other mafia sites. and you only played with people that learned mafia from the same place pretty much. it's like an isolated redneck culture of drooling inbreds patting themselves on the back how smart they are.
This is where you look horribly arrogant. I have played on 5 different sites, 1 of them with completely different people and this was my 51 game.
Maybe you consider this experience unqualified, but I stand by my opinion that Oblivion is an excellent GM and I love her games.
I really think right now you need a :hug:. You played an awesome game. :)
i know you're very proud you fooled nostrum but i am trying to discourage this kind of behavior again.
i cannot think of even one of the worse players on the regular mafia sites who would have final voted without hearing both sides or reading back at least one day.
where you play, mafia is secondary, played for fun and to make friends. it is like playing poker for playmoney, you never get good like that.
This is where you look horribly arrogant. I have played on 5 different sites, 1 of them with completely different people and this was my 51 game.
Maybe you consider this experience unqualified, but I stand by my opinion that Oblivion is an excellent GM and I love her games.
I really think right now you need a :hug:. You played an awesome game. :)
i know you're very proud you fooled nostrum but i am trying to discourage this kind of behavior again.
i cannot think of even one of the worse players on the regular mafia sites who would have final voted without hearing both sides or reading back at least one day.
where you play, mafia is secondary, played for fun and to make friends. it is like playing poker for playmoney, you never get good like that.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 12:39 PM
internet mafia is serious business
:shockcorn:
:shockcorn:
divagreen
26th January 2012, 12:50 PM
I think Raven is a great GM. Her and Teshi are my favourites.well like i said, you guys have only played and seen very few games compared to most regulars at other mafia sites. and you only played with people that learned mafia from the same place pretty much. it's like an isolated redneck culture of drooling inbreds patting themselves on the back how smart they are.
This is where you look horribly arrogant. I have played on 5 different sites, 1 of them with completely different people and this was my 51 game.
Maybe you consider this experience unqualified, but I stand by my opinion that Oblivion is an excellent GM and I love her games.
I really think right now you need a :hug:. You played an awesome game. :)
i know you're very proud you fooled nostrum but i am trying to discourage this kind of behavior again.
i cannot think of even one of the worse players on the regular mafia sites who would have final voted without hearing both sides or reading back at least one day.
where you play, mafia is secondary, played for fun and to make friends. it is like playing poker for playmoney, you never get good like that.
I am not proud, stop assigning emotions to me that I do not have. I wanted to kill Nostrum every single night. We have had some epic battles and she is not lying when she says that I have fucked my meta up for life. :sadyes:
Which is why after Teeth's game I am taking a long break.
This is where you look horribly arrogant. I have played on 5 different sites, 1 of them with completely different people and this was my 51 game.
Maybe you consider this experience unqualified, but I stand by my opinion that Oblivion is an excellent GM and I love her games.
I really think right now you need a :hug:. You played an awesome game. :)
i know you're very proud you fooled nostrum but i am trying to discourage this kind of behavior again.
i cannot think of even one of the worse players on the regular mafia sites who would have final voted without hearing both sides or reading back at least one day.
where you play, mafia is secondary, played for fun and to make friends. it is like playing poker for playmoney, you never get good like that.
I am not proud, stop assigning emotions to me that I do not have. I wanted to kill Nostrum every single night. We have had some epic battles and she is not lying when she says that I have fucked my meta up for life. :sadyes:
Which is why after Teeth's game I am taking a long break.
divagreen
26th January 2012, 12:52 PM
divafeck, your avatar is disconcerting. :eddy:
It was CGI's choice. I am still waiting on the sig. It will probably be dreadful.
It was CGI's choice. I am still waiting on the sig. It will probably be dreadful.
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 12:57 PM
I think Raven is a great GM. Her and Teshi are my favourites.well like i said, you guys have only played and seen very few games compared to most regulars at other mafia sites. and you only played with people that learned mafia from the same place pretty much. it's like an isolated redneck culture of drooling inbreds patting themselves on the back how smart they are.
This is where you look horribly arrogant. I have played on 5 different sites, 1 of them with completely different people and this was my 51 game.
Maybe you consider this experience unqualified, but I stand by my opinion that Oblivion is an excellent GM and I love her games.
I really think right now you need a :hug:. You played an awesome game. :)
i know you're very proud you fooled nostrum but i am trying to discourage this kind of behavior again.
i cannot think of even one of the worse players on the regular mafia sites who would have final voted without hearing both sides or reading back at least one day.
where you play, mafia is secondary, played for fun and to make friends. it is like playing poker for playmoney, you never get good like that.
And this I think is the crux. You don't seem to play it as a game, you take it very seriously. Which means that when things don't go your way (which it frequently won't when you're playing with a bunch of amateurs) you can't help but take it personally.
Which isn't fair to the ones who are just playing it as a game. Not saying we don't take it seriously, I certainly do, but if someone fucks up and costs my team the game I'm not going to go calling them shit-for-brains.
So if you want srs Mafia, go play srs Mafia at Mafiascum.net. But if you want to play Mafia with your internet friends then play here, or TR, again. But as you have recognised, we aren't professional Mafia players and it is unfair to treat us as such.
This is where you look horribly arrogant. I have played on 5 different sites, 1 of them with completely different people and this was my 51 game.
Maybe you consider this experience unqualified, but I stand by my opinion that Oblivion is an excellent GM and I love her games.
I really think right now you need a :hug:. You played an awesome game. :)
i know you're very proud you fooled nostrum but i am trying to discourage this kind of behavior again.
i cannot think of even one of the worse players on the regular mafia sites who would have final voted without hearing both sides or reading back at least one day.
where you play, mafia is secondary, played for fun and to make friends. it is like playing poker for playmoney, you never get good like that.
And this I think is the crux. You don't seem to play it as a game, you take it very seriously. Which means that when things don't go your way (which it frequently won't when you're playing with a bunch of amateurs) you can't help but take it personally.
Which isn't fair to the ones who are just playing it as a game. Not saying we don't take it seriously, I certainly do, but if someone fucks up and costs my team the game I'm not going to go calling them shit-for-brains.
So if you want srs Mafia, go play srs Mafia at Mafiascum.net. But if you want to play Mafia with your internet friends then play here, or TR, again. But as you have recognised, we aren't professional Mafia players and it is unfair to treat us as such.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 01:01 PM
all i want is for everyone to try and play like it matters if he wins or not. because he plays for a team that worked to get to that point. you owe them that much to give a shit if you're right or not. you can be wrong, that's the game, you are wrong a lot. but at least try to be wrong for the right reasons, do stuff because it makes sense, not for giggles.
gib
26th January 2012, 01:06 PM
i play to make enemies
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 01:11 PM
all i want is for everyone to try and play like it matters if he wins or not. because he plays for a team that worked to get to that point. you owe them that much to give a shit if you're right or not. you can be wrong, that's the game, you are wrong a lot. but at least try to be wrong for the right reasons, do stuff because it makes sense, not for giggles.
Well that isn't what you were saying earlier. You were all shit-for-brains this and retards that. Yes, absolutely I was wrong but I thought I was right for the right reasons. I doubt if I top 30% right. 20% is probably closer to the mark. But I don't play flippantly, I think about what I'm doing. I don't make decisions for shits and giggles. And I'd say most of the players here are the same.
Well that isn't what you were saying earlier. You were all shit-for-brains this and retards that. Yes, absolutely I was wrong but I thought I was right for the right reasons. I doubt if I top 30% right. 20% is probably closer to the mark. But I don't play flippantly, I think about what I'm doing. I don't make decisions for shits and giggles. And I'd say most of the players here are the same.
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 01:12 PM
i play to make enemies
fail
fail
gib
26th January 2012, 01:13 PM
mafia player "divagreen" officially replaces deanm as my nemesis
divagreen
26th January 2012, 01:15 PM
I think Raven is a great GM. Her and Teshi are my favourites.well like i said, you guys have only played and seen very few games compared to most regulars at other mafia sites. and you only played with people that learned mafia from the same place pretty much. it's like an isolated redneck culture of drooling inbreds patting themselves on the back how smart they are.
This is where you look horribly arrogant. I have played on 5 different sites, 1 of them with completely different people and this was my 51 game.
Maybe you consider this experience unqualified, but I stand by my opinion that Oblivion is an excellent GM and I love her games.
I really think right now you need a :hug:. You played an awesome game. :)
i know you're very proud you fooled nostrum but i am trying to discourage this kind of behavior again.
i cannot think of even one of the worse players on the regular mafia sites who would have final voted without hearing both sides or reading back at least one day.
where you play, mafia is secondary, played for fun and to make friends. it is like playing poker for playmoney, you never get good like that.
What is your name on Mafia.scum, I will look for you. :)
This is where you look horribly arrogant. I have played on 5 different sites, 1 of them with completely different people and this was my 51 game.
Maybe you consider this experience unqualified, but I stand by my opinion that Oblivion is an excellent GM and I love her games.
I really think right now you need a :hug:. You played an awesome game. :)
i know you're very proud you fooled nostrum but i am trying to discourage this kind of behavior again.
i cannot think of even one of the worse players on the regular mafia sites who would have final voted without hearing both sides or reading back at least one day.
where you play, mafia is secondary, played for fun and to make friends. it is like playing poker for playmoney, you never get good like that.
What is your name on Mafia.scum, I will look for you. :)
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 01:15 PM
She will be pleased.
divagreen
26th January 2012, 01:17 PM
mafia player "divagreen" officially replaces deanm as my nemesis
:meltdown:
:meltdown:
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 01:17 PM
She will be pleased.
mafia player "divagreen" officially replaces deanm as my nemesis
:meltdown:
Or not. :dunno:
mafia player "divagreen" officially replaces deanm as my nemesis
:meltdown:
Or not. :dunno:
Fuzzy
26th January 2012, 01:22 PM
where you play, mafia is secondary, played for fun and to make friends. it is like playing poker for playmoney, you never get good like that.
Mafia is a game. I play games exclusively to have fun. I'm never going to change in that regard :no:
Mafia is a game. I play games exclusively to have fun. I'm never going to change in that regard :no:
nick
26th January 2012, 01:40 PM
I play to ruin everyone's fun
charlou
26th January 2012, 01:49 PM
i play to make enemies
so fucking badass grrr
so fucking badass grrr
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 01:52 PM
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Jerome
26th January 2012, 02:14 PM
GG everybody, thanks for the game Raven, that was a difficult one to run me thinks.
Gonzo is now and forever the First Winner of MR Mafia!!!
:thumbsup:
Gonzo is now and forever the First Winner of MR Mafia!!!
:thumbsup:
nick
26th January 2012, 02:23 PM
Mentally Retarded mafia
borealis
26th January 2012, 02:29 PM
Fantastic game town. We didn't think we had a chance of winning after the Nightson/Eric fiasco. After that it became a contest as to see who could make CGI's head explode. I think Feck won that one. We also had a post the word mini game going on, lol.
scumboard: http://123.writeboard.com/rbsit17h9apn2qwo2t4duhxy
password: nefarious
borealis ''Correction, KILL Athene. She reads me like a book and never fails to catch me out. Lol!''
:smug:
I just wish I'd pushed for you :sadcheer:
I'm sure you would have had your vig not killed you. Jesus Christ, D1: "borealis is scum." Ack! :doh:
scumboard: http://123.writeboard.com/rbsit17h9apn2qwo2t4duhxy
password: nefarious
borealis ''Correction, KILL Athene. She reads me like a book and never fails to catch me out. Lol!''
:smug:
I just wish I'd pushed for you :sadcheer:
I'm sure you would have had your vig not killed you. Jesus Christ, D1: "borealis is scum." Ack! :doh:
nostrum
26th January 2012, 02:39 PM
Athene: yes (but not anymore)
Thinker: get a grip, man. I said during the game I was very distracted. I should have, like, gameplayed in the PG to goad the GM into god killing me or something :owned:
Feck: LOL
Gib and ade: lol
Eric and Elouise: yup mea culpa I was tired and wanted to go have a shower
Mantis: :hug:
Gonzo: YOU WINNER, YOU :cheer:
Thinker: get a grip, man. I said during the game I was very distracted. I should have, like, gameplayed in the PG to goad the GM into god killing me or something :owned:
Feck: LOL
Gib and ade: lol
Eric and Elouise: yup mea culpa I was tired and wanted to go have a shower
Mantis: :hug:
Gonzo: YOU WINNER, YOU :cheer:
nostrum
26th January 2012, 02:41 PM
Mentally Retarded mafia
onoz Bart weighs in with his mafia opinion
onoz Bart weighs in with his mafia opinion
borealis
26th January 2012, 02:58 PM
...Mantis was cleared yesterday, nostrum. She would have ended the game by final voting CGI if she had been scum.
Without hesitiation, I should say.
Yes. I was amazed when nostrum final voted her. The information was right there.
I was expecting Nostrum to turn up traitor because of that.
Without hesitiation, I should say.
Yes. I was amazed when nostrum final voted her. The information was right there.
I was expecting Nostrum to turn up traitor because of that.
nostrum
26th January 2012, 03:03 PM
...Mantis was cleared yesterday, nostrum. She would have ended the game by final voting CGI if she had been scum.
Without hesitiation, I should say.
Yes. I was amazed when nostrum final voted her. The information was right there.
I was expecting Nostrum to turn up traitor because of that.
:o
Without hesitiation, I should say.
Yes. I was amazed when nostrum final voted her. The information was right there.
I was expecting Nostrum to turn up traitor because of that.
:o
nostrum
26th January 2012, 03:03 PM
I am a traitor to srs mafiaz
borealis
26th January 2012, 03:04 PM
You guys played a really good scum game. Even the theatrics you had with Feck, diva. And borealis's stand against CGI looked very town.
Thanks ob. :)
It was a desperate piece of theatre, which in the end didn't fool you enough for you to vote CGI. I was wary of you the whole game.
Thanks ob. :)
It was a desperate piece of theatre, which in the end didn't fool you enough for you to vote CGI. I was wary of you the whole game.
charlou
26th January 2012, 03:12 PM
I am a traitor to srs mafiaz
lynch her and when she stops kicking, lynch her again >:[
(relaxing shower trumps srs mafia any day)
lynch her and when she stops kicking, lynch her again >:[
(relaxing shower trumps srs mafia any day)
Facetious
26th January 2012, 04:35 PM
Fantastic game town. We didn't think we had a chance of winning after the Nightson/Eric fiasco. After that it became a contest as to see who could make CGI's head explode. I think Feck won that one. We also had a post the word mini game going on, lol.
scumboard: http://123.writeboard.com/rbsit17h9apn2qwo2t4duhxy
password: nefarious
borealis ''Correction, KILL Athene. She reads me like a book and never fails to catch me out. Lol!''
:smug:
I just wish I'd pushed for you :sadcheer:
I'm sure you would have had your vig not killed you. Jesus Christ, D1: "borealis is scum." Ack! :doh:
You are one of a few players that I can get a read on very quickly, the others are Mantis and gib. My reads on Mantis have been 100% accurate so far.
scumboard: http://123.writeboard.com/rbsit17h9apn2qwo2t4duhxy
password: nefarious
borealis ''Correction, KILL Athene. She reads me like a book and never fails to catch me out. Lol!''
:smug:
I just wish I'd pushed for you :sadcheer:
I'm sure you would have had your vig not killed you. Jesus Christ, D1: "borealis is scum." Ack! :doh:
You are one of a few players that I can get a read on very quickly, the others are Mantis and gib. My reads on Mantis have been 100% accurate so far.
Zigmen
26th January 2012, 05:20 PM
nostrum, what was your role? The day-kill was pretty funky.
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
Yup. Put my cat down that day and wasn't thinking so clearly.
Sorry to have let you all down.
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
Yup. Put my cat down that day and wasn't thinking so clearly.
Sorry to have let you all down.
nostrum
26th January 2012, 05:25 PM
nostrum, what was your role? The day-kill was pretty funky.
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
Yup. Put my cat down that day and wasn't thinking so clearly.
Sorry to have let you all down.
Oh Zig I'm so sorry, I saw you mention that elsewhere, I didn't realise :hug: (nah you didn't let us down, it was all CGI... or was it me... I forget already)
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
Yup. Put my cat down that day and wasn't thinking so clearly.
Sorry to have let you all down.
Oh Zig I'm so sorry, I saw you mention that elsewhere, I didn't realise :hug: (nah you didn't let us down, it was all CGI... or was it me... I forget already)
divagreen
26th January 2012, 05:42 PM
If I post one more PM on this site I am going to pull all of my hair out.
Facetious
26th January 2012, 05:48 PM
nostrum, what was your role? The day-kill was pretty funky.
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
Yup. Put my cat down that day and wasn't thinking so clearly.
Sorry to have let you all down.
i'm sorry to hear that :hug:
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
Yup. Put my cat down that day and wasn't thinking so clearly.
Sorry to have let you all down.
i'm sorry to hear that :hug:
Facetious
26th January 2012, 05:49 PM
nostrum, what was your role? The day-kill was pretty funky.
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
Yup. Put my cat down that day and wasn't thinking so clearly.
Sorry to have let you all down.
Oh Zig I'm so sorry, I saw you mention that elsewhere, I didn't realise :hug: (nah you didn't let us down, it was all CGI... or was it me... I forget already)
it was definitely you :thumbsup:
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
Yup. Put my cat down that day and wasn't thinking so clearly.
Sorry to have let you all down.
Oh Zig I'm so sorry, I saw you mention that elsewhere, I didn't realise :hug: (nah you didn't let us down, it was all CGI... or was it me... I forget already)
it was definitely you :thumbsup:
Linus
26th January 2012, 05:54 PM
Sorry to hear about the cat, Zigmen.
oblivion
26th January 2012, 06:00 PM
nostrum, what was your role? The day-kill was pretty funky.
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
Yup. Put my cat down that day and wasn't thinking so clearly.
Sorry to have let you all down.
:hug:
So sorry about your cat
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
Yup. Put my cat down that day and wasn't thinking so clearly.
Sorry to have let you all down.
:hug:
So sorry about your cat
borealis
26th January 2012, 06:01 PM
nostrum, what was your role? The day-kill was pretty funky.
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
Yup. Put my cat down that day and wasn't thinking so clearly.
Sorry to have let you all down.
Sorry to hear about your cat. I know how awful that feels.
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
Yup. Put my cat down that day and wasn't thinking so clearly.
Sorry to have let you all down.
Sorry to hear about your cat. I know how awful that feels.
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 09:20 PM
nostrum, what was your role? The day-kill was pretty funky.
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
Yup. Put my cat down that day and wasn't thinking so clearly.
Sorry to have let you all down.
I'm sorry Zigmen.:sadcheer:
I was the day-kill one-shot vig. If MZ also wasn't a vig town would never have been confused at all.
Zigmen: :whyyou: I hope you do realise that what you did was pretty dumb
Yup. Put my cat down that day and wasn't thinking so clearly.
Sorry to have let you all down.
I'm sorry Zigmen.:sadcheer:
ericv00
26th January 2012, 09:35 PM
all i want is for everyone to try and play like it matters if he wins or not. because he plays for a team that worked to get to that point. you owe them that much to give a shit if you're right or not. you can be wrong, that's the game, you are wrong a lot. but at least try to be wrong for the right reasons, do stuff because it makes sense, not for giggles.
For all of you getting your undies in a bunch over CGI getting his undies in a bunch...
You complain about the "bullying" and in general strong-hand leadership CGI employed in the game, but he did everything he could to hold town together. He worked hard for this game and it is understandably frustrating for anyone to work so hard and have people run around and do things that aren't the most logical thing to do. Especially when you are a viewed player, doc, and eventually a claimed doc WITH a scum counter claim lynched.
I would vote CGI the MVP by far in the game.
I obviously congratulate Gonzo on his win and scum with their second place. They played well, also.
For all of you getting your undies in a bunch over CGI getting his undies in a bunch...
You complain about the "bullying" and in general strong-hand leadership CGI employed in the game, but he did everything he could to hold town together. He worked hard for this game and it is understandably frustrating for anyone to work so hard and have people run around and do things that aren't the most logical thing to do. Especially when you are a viewed player, doc, and eventually a claimed doc WITH a scum counter claim lynched.
I would vote CGI the MVP by far in the game.
I obviously congratulate Gonzo on his win and scum with their second place. They played well, also.
ericv00
26th January 2012, 09:43 PM
One thing I never understood was people's uneasiness with nostrum's role. Nostrum did exactly what I would have done in that situation with zigmen too enthusiastic about special hunting.
A tip, ziggy, what you did was special hunting rather than scum hunting because scum roles could obviously have the same number of words as town roles, but specials WILL have additional info with their role. That trick was a nice trap, but not pro-town. :)
Oh and my condolences. I hope the memories of your cat are great ones.
A tip, ziggy, what you did was special hunting rather than scum hunting because scum roles could obviously have the same number of words as town roles, but specials WILL have additional info with their role. That trick was a nice trap, but not pro-town. :)
Oh and my condolences. I hope the memories of your cat are great ones.
Magicziggy
26th January 2012, 09:44 PM
MVP to a player who looked so scummy that his claim actually took on the look of a fake claim. I don't think so.
Gonzo is clear MVP. He achieved his objectives.
Gonzo is clear MVP. He achieved his objectives.
ericv00
26th January 2012, 09:54 PM
Most of town let their distaste of his attitude cloud their judgement... Seriously, Almost everything he said and tried was the best for town. Last two days he was cleared for sure, not from being viewed, but by play. :dunno:
Everyone has their opinions.
Everyone has their opinions.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 09:55 PM
Gonzo is clear MVP. He achieved his objectives.
no you achieved his objective
no you achieved his objective
Magicziggy
26th January 2012, 09:57 PM
Gonzo is clear MVP. He achieved his objectives.
no you achieved his objective
Right.
And the difference is?
no you achieved his objective
Right.
And the difference is?
borealis
26th January 2012, 10:01 PM
all i want is for everyone to try and play like it matters if he wins or not. because he plays for a team that worked to get to that point. you owe them that much to give a shit if you're right or not. you can be wrong, that's the game, you are wrong a lot. but at least try to be wrong for the right reasons, do stuff because it makes sense, not for giggles.
For all of you getting your undies in a bunch over CGI getting his undies in a bunch...
You complain about the "bullying" and in general strong-hand leadership CGI employed in the game, but he did everything he could to hold town together. He worked hard for this game and it is understandably frustrating for anyone to work so hard and have people run around and do things that aren't the most logical thing to do. Especially when you are a viewed player, doc, and eventually a claimed doc WITH a scum counter claim lynched.
I would vote CGI the MVP by far in the game.
I obviously congratulate Gonzo on his win and scum with their second place. They played well, also.
Looking at that from scum's pov, yes, CGI worked his butt off to get a town win and if everyone had listened to him every time, town would probably have won. He knows his mafia. Town didn't have the same objective knowledge of how right he mostly was.
Another aspect of leadership is being able to get people to follow your lead, and it's easy for a group to get resentful if someone basically tries to 'whip them into shape'. People start tuning out the message if there's a lot of negative stuff being thrown at them, regardless of how useful or correct it may be.
We were able to use that aspect of CGI's playing style (in this game, because I've seen him do it differently in other games) to sway town players in the wrong direction and ultimately convince a crucial number that he wasn't what he said he was. Because on some level, they wanted it to be true even though it was the most unlikely of several possibilities.
For all of you getting your undies in a bunch over CGI getting his undies in a bunch...
You complain about the "bullying" and in general strong-hand leadership CGI employed in the game, but he did everything he could to hold town together. He worked hard for this game and it is understandably frustrating for anyone to work so hard and have people run around and do things that aren't the most logical thing to do. Especially when you are a viewed player, doc, and eventually a claimed doc WITH a scum counter claim lynched.
I would vote CGI the MVP by far in the game.
I obviously congratulate Gonzo on his win and scum with their second place. They played well, also.
Looking at that from scum's pov, yes, CGI worked his butt off to get a town win and if everyone had listened to him every time, town would probably have won. He knows his mafia. Town didn't have the same objective knowledge of how right he mostly was.
Another aspect of leadership is being able to get people to follow your lead, and it's easy for a group to get resentful if someone basically tries to 'whip them into shape'. People start tuning out the message if there's a lot of negative stuff being thrown at them, regardless of how useful or correct it may be.
We were able to use that aspect of CGI's playing style (in this game, because I've seen him do it differently in other games) to sway town players in the wrong direction and ultimately convince a crucial number that he wasn't what he said he was. Because on some level, they wanted it to be true even though it was the most unlikely of several possibilities.
ericv00
26th January 2012, 10:02 PM
Gonzo is clear MVP. He achieved his objectives. no you achieved his objective
Right.
And the difference is?
A baseball player having a batting average of 300 against a top-notch pitcher.
A baseball player having a batting average of 1000 against a pitching machine.
Right.
And the difference is?
A baseball player having a batting average of 300 against a top-notch pitcher.
A baseball player having a batting average of 1000 against a pitching machine.
oblivion
26th January 2012, 10:02 PM
CGI is not an unknown, but he doesn't play that often at TR/Ratz these days. It can be really frustrating to play in an environment where you don't have reputation or your reputation is a little meh. He was making sense IMO, but people simply didn't trust him, and the more cleared he became the less trust he got.
I think town was more at fault there than CGI was.
I experienced that kind of reverse reputation in one of the games I played at FF last year. My previous role in a game there had been scum, and most players didn't know my town game at all. I think the most effective thing I was able to do was to identify some players I thought were town and support them when I thought they were right. Actually being the one out front pushing for anything was p much useless.
That was a long game, though. Started in August and ended in November. I had time to adjust my style and figure out what worked. I also had time to lose my cool, blow up, melt down, whatever, and recover.
I think town was more at fault there than CGI was.
I experienced that kind of reverse reputation in one of the games I played at FF last year. My previous role in a game there had been scum, and most players didn't know my town game at all. I think the most effective thing I was able to do was to identify some players I thought were town and support them when I thought they were right. Actually being the one out front pushing for anything was p much useless.
That was a long game, though. Started in August and ended in November. I had time to adjust my style and figure out what worked. I also had time to lose my cool, blow up, melt down, whatever, and recover.
ericv00
26th January 2012, 10:03 PM
:D
Magicziggy
26th January 2012, 10:03 PM
^^ this is so true
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Magicziggy
26th January 2012, 10:04 PM
Xpost .. That was regarding borealis post
ericv00
26th January 2012, 10:09 PM
all i want is for everyone to try and play like it matters if he wins or not. because he plays for a team that worked to get to that point. you owe them that much to give a shit if you're right or not. you can be wrong, that's the game, you are wrong a lot. but at least try to be wrong for the right reasons, do stuff because it makes sense, not for giggles.
For all of you getting your undies in a bunch over CGI getting his undies in a bunch...
You complain about the "bullying" and in general strong-hand leadership CGI employed in the game, but he did everything he could to hold town together. He worked hard for this game and it is understandably frustrating for anyone to work so hard and have people run around and do things that aren't the most logical thing to do. Especially when you are a viewed player, doc, and eventually a claimed doc WITH a scum counter claim lynched.
I would vote CGI the MVP by far in the game.
I obviously congratulate Gonzo on his win and scum with their second place. They played well, also.
Looking at that from scum's pov, yes, CGI worked his butt off to get a town win and if everyone had listened to him every time, town would probably have won. He knows his mafia. Town didn't have the same objective knowledge of how right he mostly was.
Another aspect of leadership is being able to get people to follow your lead, and it's easy for a group to get resentful if someone basically tries to 'whip them into shape'. People start tuning out the message if there's a lot of negative stuff being thrown at them, regardless of how useful or correct it may be.
We were able to use that aspect of CGI's playing style (in this game, because I've seen him do it differently in other games) to sway town players in the wrong direction and ultimately convince a crucial number that he wasn't what he said he was. Because on some level, they wanted it to be true even though it was the most unlikely of several possibilities.
The alternatives are very limited and equally unhelpful when you are trying to lead town in the right direction. When people don't want to listen, they won't listen. If he had quieted down, town would have found THAT suspicious.
One thing I have learned in the past couple of years is the saturation of confirmation bias in people, everywhere and in every subject. One thing that this game REALLY requires is that you work past confirmation bias. No matter what CGI did this game, I'm not so sure the result would have differed much.
For all of you getting your undies in a bunch over CGI getting his undies in a bunch...
You complain about the "bullying" and in general strong-hand leadership CGI employed in the game, but he did everything he could to hold town together. He worked hard for this game and it is understandably frustrating for anyone to work so hard and have people run around and do things that aren't the most logical thing to do. Especially when you are a viewed player, doc, and eventually a claimed doc WITH a scum counter claim lynched.
I would vote CGI the MVP by far in the game.
I obviously congratulate Gonzo on his win and scum with their second place. They played well, also.
Looking at that from scum's pov, yes, CGI worked his butt off to get a town win and if everyone had listened to him every time, town would probably have won. He knows his mafia. Town didn't have the same objective knowledge of how right he mostly was.
Another aspect of leadership is being able to get people to follow your lead, and it's easy for a group to get resentful if someone basically tries to 'whip them into shape'. People start tuning out the message if there's a lot of negative stuff being thrown at them, regardless of how useful or correct it may be.
We were able to use that aspect of CGI's playing style (in this game, because I've seen him do it differently in other games) to sway town players in the wrong direction and ultimately convince a crucial number that he wasn't what he said he was. Because on some level, they wanted it to be true even though it was the most unlikely of several possibilities.
The alternatives are very limited and equally unhelpful when you are trying to lead town in the right direction. When people don't want to listen, they won't listen. If he had quieted down, town would have found THAT suspicious.
One thing I have learned in the past couple of years is the saturation of confirmation bias in people, everywhere and in every subject. One thing that this game REALLY requires is that you work past confirmation bias. No matter what CGI did this game, I'm not so sure the result would have differed much.
ericv00
26th January 2012, 10:11 PM
It's not enough to be right.
That is a REALLY troubling thing for you to say, and easily takes fun out of the effort to win. :dunno:
That is a REALLY troubling thing for you to say, and easily takes fun out of the effort to win. :dunno:
borealis
26th January 2012, 10:11 PM
^^ this is so true
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Otoh, too many town players did focus on attitude and familiarity with each other's styles rather than looking at whatever was factual or objectively likely. They should have been able to look beyond whether CGI was annoying them or not to decide if he was right.
...imo*.
*I'm not generally thought to be a very good player. Too panicky, for one thing.
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Otoh, too many town players did focus on attitude and familiarity with each other's styles rather than looking at whatever was factual or objectively likely. They should have been able to look beyond whether CGI was annoying them or not to decide if he was right.
...imo*.
*I'm not generally thought to be a very good player. Too panicky, for one thing.
Magicziggy
26th January 2012, 10:13 PM
It's not enough to be right.
That is a REALLY troubling thing for you to say, and easily takes fun out of the effort to win. :dunno:
Wtf... Every town player tried and would have thought they were right.. Accepting someone else's truth is a leap of faith .. Cgi did not convince enough town that he was genuine.. Where does the fault lie?
That is a REALLY troubling thing for you to say, and easily takes fun out of the effort to win. :dunno:
Wtf... Every town player tried and would have thought they were right.. Accepting someone else's truth is a leap of faith .. Cgi did not convince enough town that he was genuine.. Where does the fault lie?
Magicziggy
26th January 2012, 10:15 PM
Incidentally.. On balance I accepted him as doc but still felt that any means to clear him as such was justified. I fucked up being able to clear him... But there you go
borealis
26th January 2012, 10:17 PM
all i want is for everyone to try and play like it matters if he wins or not. because he plays for a team that worked to get to that point. you owe them that much to give a shit if you're right or not. you can be wrong, that's the game, you are wrong a lot. but at least try to be wrong for the right reasons, do stuff because it makes sense, not for giggles.
For all of you getting your undies in a bunch over CGI getting his undies in a bunch...
You complain about the "bullying" and in general strong-hand leadership CGI employed in the game, but he did everything he could to hold town together. He worked hard for this game and it is understandably frustrating for anyone to work so hard and have people run around and do things that aren't the most logical thing to do. Especially when you are a viewed player, doc, and eventually a claimed doc WITH a scum counter claim lynched.
I would vote CGI the MVP by far in the game.
I obviously congratulate Gonzo on his win and scum with their second place. They played well, also.
Looking at that from scum's pov, yes, CGI worked his butt off to get a town win and if everyone had listened to him every time, town would probably have won. He knows his mafia. Town didn't have the same objective knowledge of how right he mostly was.
Another aspect of leadership is being able to get people to follow your lead, and it's easy for a group to get resentful if someone basically tries to 'whip them into shape'. People start tuning out the message if there's a lot of negative stuff being thrown at them, regardless of how useful or correct it may be.
We were able to use that aspect of CGI's playing style (in this game, because I've seen him do it differently in other games) to sway town players in the wrong direction and ultimately convince a crucial number that he wasn't what he said he was. Because on some level, they wanted it to be true even though it was the most unlikely of several possibilities.
The alternatives are very limited and equally unhelpful when you are trying to lead town in the right direction. When people don't want to listen, they won't listen. If he had quieted down, town would have found THAT suspicious.
One thing I have learned in the past couple of years is the saturation of confirmation bias in people, everywhere and in every subject. One thing that this game REALLY requires is that you work past confirmation bias. No matter what CGI did this game, I'm not so sure the result would have differed much.
Maybe. But it was surprisingly easy to convince people to be suspicious of CGI, and I'm not at all sure the same would be true if he had not 'quieted down', because that's kind of useless, but been more persuasive and less inclined to call people dummies etc. people resent the shit out of that stuff, even while saying it doesn't matter. And they quit listening.
For all of you getting your undies in a bunch over CGI getting his undies in a bunch...
You complain about the "bullying" and in general strong-hand leadership CGI employed in the game, but he did everything he could to hold town together. He worked hard for this game and it is understandably frustrating for anyone to work so hard and have people run around and do things that aren't the most logical thing to do. Especially when you are a viewed player, doc, and eventually a claimed doc WITH a scum counter claim lynched.
I would vote CGI the MVP by far in the game.
I obviously congratulate Gonzo on his win and scum with their second place. They played well, also.
Looking at that from scum's pov, yes, CGI worked his butt off to get a town win and if everyone had listened to him every time, town would probably have won. He knows his mafia. Town didn't have the same objective knowledge of how right he mostly was.
Another aspect of leadership is being able to get people to follow your lead, and it's easy for a group to get resentful if someone basically tries to 'whip them into shape'. People start tuning out the message if there's a lot of negative stuff being thrown at them, regardless of how useful or correct it may be.
We were able to use that aspect of CGI's playing style (in this game, because I've seen him do it differently in other games) to sway town players in the wrong direction and ultimately convince a crucial number that he wasn't what he said he was. Because on some level, they wanted it to be true even though it was the most unlikely of several possibilities.
The alternatives are very limited and equally unhelpful when you are trying to lead town in the right direction. When people don't want to listen, they won't listen. If he had quieted down, town would have found THAT suspicious.
One thing I have learned in the past couple of years is the saturation of confirmation bias in people, everywhere and in every subject. One thing that this game REALLY requires is that you work past confirmation bias. No matter what CGI did this game, I'm not so sure the result would have differed much.
Maybe. But it was surprisingly easy to convince people to be suspicious of CGI, and I'm not at all sure the same would be true if he had not 'quieted down', because that's kind of useless, but been more persuasive and less inclined to call people dummies etc. people resent the shit out of that stuff, even while saying it doesn't matter. And they quit listening.
borealis
26th January 2012, 10:22 PM
Incidentally.. On balance I accepted him as doc but still felt that any means to clear him as such was justified. I fucked up being able to clear him... But there you go
I couldn't figure out why you would do that. CGI was at that point not so important to end game that he needed to be cleared any more than he was, and it was an utter waste of a crucial nk for the vig. Not to mention a waste of the vig. :D
In fact if scum had killed CGI that night he would have been cleared, his views taken more seriously, you would likely have killed a scum (me) or Mantis, town, and been around for another nk for town. I doubt scum would have won. Town would have had the numbers in their favour.
I couldn't figure out why you would do that. CGI was at that point not so important to end game that he needed to be cleared any more than he was, and it was an utter waste of a crucial nk for the vig. Not to mention a waste of the vig. :D
In fact if scum had killed CGI that night he would have been cleared, his views taken more seriously, you would likely have killed a scum (me) or Mantis, town, and been around for another nk for town. I doubt scum would have won. Town would have had the numbers in their favour.
Magicziggy
26th January 2012, 10:24 PM
I'm not nominating for MVP... No :)
ericv00
26th January 2012, 10:24 PM
Maybe. But it was surprisingly easy to convince people to be suspicious of CGI, and I'm not at all sure the same would be true if he had not 'quieted down', because that's kind of useless, but been more persuasive and less inclined to call people dummies etc. people resent the shit out of that stuff, even while saying it doesn't matter. And they quit listening.
You have played with teeth.
Why do people listen to him? When he is trolley-tracking. On obvious town players. Calling everyone who disagrees dummies and scum.
People pick something and don't reassess. Confirmation bias. It rules everything.
Mafia is a psychological game, but the best thing is still to get past personalities. Focus on actions, not attitudes. Actions tell you what someone is thinking, regardless of the attitude that comes with it.
You have played with teeth.
Why do people listen to him? When he is trolley-tracking. On obvious town players. Calling everyone who disagrees dummies and scum.
People pick something and don't reassess. Confirmation bias. It rules everything.
Mafia is a psychological game, but the best thing is still to get past personalities. Focus on actions, not attitudes. Actions tell you what someone is thinking, regardless of the attitude that comes with it.
borealis
26th January 2012, 10:32 PM
Maybe. But it was surprisingly easy to convince people to be suspicious of CGI, and I'm not at all sure the same would be true if he had not 'quieted down', because that's kind of useless, but been more persuasive and less inclined to call people dummies etc. people resent the shit out of that stuff, even while saying it doesn't matter. And they quit listening.
You have played with teeth.
Why do people listen to him? When he is trolley-tracking. On obvious town players. Calling everyone who disagrees dummies and scum.
People pick something and don't reassess. Confirmation bias. It rules everything.
Mafia is a psychological game, but the best thing is still to get past personalities. Focus on actions, not attitudes. Actions tell you what someone is thinking, regardless of the attitude that comes with it.
You know that, I know that, most mafia players know that. But it is still very hard for a lot of people to get past the personalities, or at least the style or presentation.
As for teeth, I dunno, I never listen to him. :hmmm:
But I don't think people do listen to teeth as closely as they listen to players like Athene and Oblivion and you and gib, for examples.
ETA: It's harder to look past personalities if a particular personality is in your face yelling, metaphorically speaking.
You have played with teeth.
Why do people listen to him? When he is trolley-tracking. On obvious town players. Calling everyone who disagrees dummies and scum.
People pick something and don't reassess. Confirmation bias. It rules everything.
Mafia is a psychological game, but the best thing is still to get past personalities. Focus on actions, not attitudes. Actions tell you what someone is thinking, regardless of the attitude that comes with it.
You know that, I know that, most mafia players know that. But it is still very hard for a lot of people to get past the personalities, or at least the style or presentation.
As for teeth, I dunno, I never listen to him. :hmmm:
But I don't think people do listen to teeth as closely as they listen to players like Athene and Oblivion and you and gib, for examples.
ETA: It's harder to look past personalities if a particular personality is in your face yelling, metaphorically speaking.
ericv00
26th January 2012, 10:36 PM
I seems like he is in a leadership position in the game fairly often and when he is not being the most logical. His attitude is not altogether different from a very frustrated CGI.
You put me in that list, but it doesn't often feel like I have much sway. :)
You put me in that list, but it doesn't often feel like I have much sway. :)
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 10:38 PM
I don't think you can separate personality from the game. And I wouldn't want to either, it's the personalities that make the game fun. Otherwise we're a bunch of automatons playing clearly defined roles.
As far as MVP CGI goes I think MZ has the right of it. It's no good being right if you can't convince others of it. And MVPs usually come from the winning team, so G got MVP.
Unfortunately CGI's attitude coloured everyone's perception of his ideas. If Athene or UT had been alive instead of CGI the end game snafu wouldn't have happened. And as simple as it is to say things like "ignore the personality and just listen to the message" it's pretty difficult to do when you are being insulted by a patronising prick.
As far as MVP CGI goes I think MZ has the right of it. It's no good being right if you can't convince others of it. And MVPs usually come from the winning team, so G got MVP.
Unfortunately CGI's attitude coloured everyone's perception of his ideas. If Athene or UT had been alive instead of CGI the end game snafu wouldn't have happened. And as simple as it is to say things like "ignore the personality and just listen to the message" it's pretty difficult to do when you are being insulted by a patronising prick.
ericv00
26th January 2012, 10:38 PM
Anyway, this WAS a very entertaining game to watch. Haha! Suspenseful!
Nightson
26th January 2012, 10:44 PM
Diva and borealis should get MVP imo.
ericv00
26th January 2012, 10:45 PM
Unfortunately CGI's attitude coloured everyone's perception of his ideas. If Athene or UT had been alive instead of CGI the end game snafu wouldn't have happened. And as simple as it is to say things like "ignore the personality and just listen to the message" it's pretty difficult to do when you are being insulted by a patronising prick.
You should try to see things from the point of view of other players. His failure of attitude is also the rest of town's for not getting past it. :dunno:
All I'm trying to say is that CGI played very well, put in a lot of effort, and deserves recognition regardless of his demeanor.
You should try to see things from the point of view of other players. His failure of attitude is also the rest of town's for not getting past it. :dunno:
All I'm trying to say is that CGI played very well, put in a lot of effort, and deserves recognition regardless of his demeanor.
Mantisdreamz
26th January 2012, 10:45 PM
nostrum! Why didn't you wait for me to say something ?!
Can't believe it. Diva and Borealis. :whyyou:
It is worth it every single time to play scum, to have Mantis do the shaky fist thing. :p
:whyyou::whyyou:
I thought this was Feck at first, till i quoted and got confused.
Can't believe it. Diva and Borealis. :whyyou:
It is worth it every single time to play scum, to have Mantis do the shaky fist thing. :p
:whyyou::whyyou:
I thought this was Feck at first, till i quoted and got confused.
Mantisdreamz
26th January 2012, 10:48 PM
internet mafia is serious business
:shockcorn:
haha
:shockcorn:
haha
borealis
26th January 2012, 10:50 PM
Unfortunately CGI's attitude coloured everyone's perception of his ideas. If Athene or UT had been alive instead of CGI the end game snafu wouldn't have happened. And as simple as it is to say things like "ignore the personality and just listen to the message" it's pretty difficult to do when you are being insulted by a patronising prick.
You should try to see things from the point of view of other players. His failure of attitude is also the rest of town's for not getting past it. :dunno:
All I'm trying to say is that CGI played very well, put in a lot of effort, and deserves recognition regardless of his demeanor.
All other considerations aside, I completely agree.
Also, tearing him up in the game was not easy for me to do. felt nasty.
You should try to see things from the point of view of other players. His failure of attitude is also the rest of town's for not getting past it. :dunno:
All I'm trying to say is that CGI played very well, put in a lot of effort, and deserves recognition regardless of his demeanor.
All other considerations aside, I completely agree.
Also, tearing him up in the game was not easy for me to do. felt nasty.
Jerome
26th January 2012, 10:51 PM
I also had time to lose my cool, blow up, melt down, whatever, and recover.
Good stuff for sure. :yes:
Good stuff for sure. :yes:
Mantisdreamz
26th January 2012, 10:52 PM
where you play, mafia is secondary, played for fun and to make friends. it is like playing poker for playmoney, you never get good like that.
Mafia is a game. I play games exclusively to have fun. I'm never going to change in that regard :no:
I play for fun too.. but sometimes I get too invested in it. I think the next game I'm going to try and step back a little.
Mafia is a game. I play games exclusively to have fun. I'm never going to change in that regard :no:
I play for fun too.. but sometimes I get too invested in it. I think the next game I'm going to try and step back a little.
borealis
26th January 2012, 10:53 PM
I seems like he is in a leadership position in the game fairly often and when he is not being the most logical. His attitude is not altogether different from a very frustrated CGI.
You put me in that list, but it doesn't often feel like I have much sway. :)
I dunno. I usually pay close attention to your play in any game we're both in, and I think lots of other players do as well.
You put me in that list, but it doesn't often feel like I have much sway. :)
I dunno. I usually pay close attention to your play in any game we're both in, and I think lots of other players do as well.
Jerome
26th January 2012, 10:56 PM
It's not enough to be right.
That is a REALLY troubling thing for you to say, and easily takes fun out of the effort to win. :dunno:
The key is to be able to get others together I think, here I have little to no chance, so I have been trying as town to search for other townies and fit in when their ideas match with mine.
That is a REALLY troubling thing for you to say, and easily takes fun out of the effort to win. :dunno:
The key is to be able to get others together I think, here I have little to no chance, so I have been trying as town to search for other townies and fit in when their ideas match with mine.
Mantisdreamz
26th January 2012, 10:56 PM
You guys played a really good scum game. Even the theatrics you had with Feck, diva. And borealis's stand against CGI looked very town.
Thanks ob. :)
It was a desperate piece of theatre, which in the end didn't fool you enough for you to vote CGI. I was wary of you the whole game.
I had you as town for the whole game. Remember I kept on saying that something's not right... when there was the list of players that we had to go through (the uncleared ones).. I said out loud: "this means that it HAS to be Feck diva and borealis" .. and I was refusing to believe that. :p
Only until the last day, when I realized that you were a little over adamant about CGI.
Thanks ob. :)
It was a desperate piece of theatre, which in the end didn't fool you enough for you to vote CGI. I was wary of you the whole game.
I had you as town for the whole game. Remember I kept on saying that something's not right... when there was the list of players that we had to go through (the uncleared ones).. I said out loud: "this means that it HAS to be Feck diva and borealis" .. and I was refusing to believe that. :p
Only until the last day, when I realized that you were a little over adamant about CGI.
Mantisdreamz
26th January 2012, 10:59 PM
You are one of a few players that I can get a read on very quickly, the others are Mantis and gib. My reads on Mantis have been 100% accurate so far.
True. That's why i like when you play if i'm town. :blinksmile:
True. That's why i like when you play if i'm town. :blinksmile:
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 10:59 PM
Unfortunately CGI's attitude coloured everyone's perception of his ideas. If Athene or UT had been alive instead of CGI the end game snafu wouldn't have happened. And as simple as it is to say things like "ignore the personality and just listen to the message" it's pretty difficult to do when you are being insulted by a patronising prick.
You should try to see things from the point of view of other players. His failure of attitude is also the rest of town's for not getting past it. :dunno:
All I'm trying to say is that CGI played very well, put in a lot of effort, and deserves recognition regardless of his demeanor.
Oh yeah, completely. Town definitely bears a good share of the loss, in no small part due to their failure to get past CGI calling them retards. I tried and succeeded in getting past it mid game but he just kept going. I actually weighed it all objectively before I voted for him. The bit of his personality that made me vote for him wasn't his "Mafia God" attitude, it was his air of smugness throughout the game, especially after he was viewed. It was the air of a Don who knew he had been viewed.
I also weighed the balance of the game and decided that town couldn't have nostrum and a doc, completely unaware of scum's daykill.
So in short, I don't think he played well, he did put in a lot of effort (as though no one else did :dunno:) and I think he's getting the recognition he deserves.
You should try to see things from the point of view of other players. His failure of attitude is also the rest of town's for not getting past it. :dunno:
All I'm trying to say is that CGI played very well, put in a lot of effort, and deserves recognition regardless of his demeanor.
Oh yeah, completely. Town definitely bears a good share of the loss, in no small part due to their failure to get past CGI calling them retards. I tried and succeeded in getting past it mid game but he just kept going. I actually weighed it all objectively before I voted for him. The bit of his personality that made me vote for him wasn't his "Mafia God" attitude, it was his air of smugness throughout the game, especially after he was viewed. It was the air of a Don who knew he had been viewed.
I also weighed the balance of the game and decided that town couldn't have nostrum and a doc, completely unaware of scum's daykill.
So in short, I don't think he played well, he did put in a lot of effort (as though no one else did :dunno:) and I think he's getting the recognition he deserves.
Jerome
26th January 2012, 11:00 PM
Diva and borealis should get MVP imo.
:thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
Mantisdreamz
26th January 2012, 11:03 PM
all i want is for everyone to try and play like it matters if he wins or not. because he plays for a team that worked to get to that point. you owe them that much to give a shit if you're right or not. you can be wrong, that's the game, you are wrong a lot. but at least try to be wrong for the right reasons, do stuff because it makes sense, not for giggles.
For all of you getting your undies in a bunch over CGI getting his undies in a bunch...
You complain about the "bullying" and in general strong-hand leadership CGI employed in the game, but he did everything he could to hold town together. He worked hard for this game and it is understandably frustrating for anyone to work so hard and have people run around and do things that aren't the most logical thing to do. Especially when you are a viewed player, doc, and eventually a claimed doc WITH a scum counter claim lynched.
I would vote CGI the MVP by far in the game.
I obviously congratulate Gonzo on his win and scum with their second place. They played well, also.
Yes, CGI did work very hard. He played a really good game. I've never seen his scum game (that i can remember) and knowing he's an experienced player, you sometimes can't help but wonder if he's just this super devious player.
For all of you getting your undies in a bunch over CGI getting his undies in a bunch...
You complain about the "bullying" and in general strong-hand leadership CGI employed in the game, but he did everything he could to hold town together. He worked hard for this game and it is understandably frustrating for anyone to work so hard and have people run around and do things that aren't the most logical thing to do. Especially when you are a viewed player, doc, and eventually a claimed doc WITH a scum counter claim lynched.
I would vote CGI the MVP by far in the game.
I obviously congratulate Gonzo on his win and scum with their second place. They played well, also.
Yes, CGI did work very hard. He played a really good game. I've never seen his scum game (that i can remember) and knowing he's an experienced player, you sometimes can't help but wonder if he's just this super devious player.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 11:07 PM
^^ this is so true
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Well it should be enough. If town is only made of people that want me to hold their hand and read them bedtime stories i see no point in giving a fuck about them. And yet I could have stopped the game at any point after raven's last warning but kept on so i wouldn't ruin your game. I would say that counts for something.
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Well it should be enough. If town is only made of people that want me to hold their hand and read them bedtime stories i see no point in giving a fuck about them. And yet I could have stopped the game at any point after raven's last warning but kept on so i wouldn't ruin your game. I would say that counts for something.
oblivion
26th January 2012, 11:08 PM
I also had time to lose my cool, blow up, melt down, whatever, and recover.
Good stuff for sure. :yes:
I hope I am never, ever on another scum team with you. You are a menace to your team. I hated seeing it happen again - you posting shit that spotlighted your team mates for any player who read your posts. You have this idea that no one will see through what you are doing or something, but you have no right to take chances like that when it could impact your team.
Good stuff for sure. :yes:
I hope I am never, ever on another scum team with you. You are a menace to your team. I hated seeing it happen again - you posting shit that spotlighted your team mates for any player who read your posts. You have this idea that no one will see through what you are doing or something, but you have no right to take chances like that when it could impact your team.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 11:09 PM
It's not enough to be right.
That is a REALLY troubling thing for you to say, and easily takes fun out of the effort to win. :dunno:
Wtf... Every town player tried and would have thought they were right.. Accepting someone else's truth is a leap of faith .. Cgi did not convince enough town that he was genuine.. Where does the fault lie?
There are subjective truths and there is objective scenario probability. I tried to get people to think from a neutral POV but nobody wanted to give up being subjective.
That is a REALLY troubling thing for you to say, and easily takes fun out of the effort to win. :dunno:
Wtf... Every town player tried and would have thought they were right.. Accepting someone else's truth is a leap of faith .. Cgi did not convince enough town that he was genuine.. Where does the fault lie?
There are subjective truths and there is objective scenario probability. I tried to get people to think from a neutral POV but nobody wanted to give up being subjective.
Jerome
26th January 2012, 11:11 PM
I also had time to lose my cool, blow up, melt down, whatever, and recover.
Good stuff for sure. :yes:
I hope I am never, ever on another scum team with you. You are a menace to your team. I hated seeing it happen again - you posting shit that spotlighted your team mates for any player who read your posts. You have this idea that no one will see through what you are doing or something, but you have no right to take chances like that when it could impact your team.
Yet my scum teams keep winning.
:smug:
Good stuff for sure. :yes:
I hope I am never, ever on another scum team with you. You are a menace to your team. I hated seeing it happen again - you posting shit that spotlighted your team mates for any player who read your posts. You have this idea that no one will see through what you are doing or something, but you have no right to take chances like that when it could impact your team.
Yet my scum teams keep winning.
:smug:
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 11:11 PM
Maybe. But it was surprisingly easy to convince people to be suspicious of CGI
Something i mentioned to diva already... that was partly a mutual effort. Sometimes when i'm special what i do to stay alive longer is to make scum think i'm an easy lynch target and keep dancing on that edge.
Something i mentioned to diva already... that was partly a mutual effort. Sometimes when i'm special what i do to stay alive longer is to make scum think i'm an easy lynch target and keep dancing on that edge.
oblivion
26th January 2012, 11:13 PM
^^ this is so true
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Well it should be enough. If town is only made of people that want me to hold their hand and read them bedtime stories i see no point in giving a fuck about them. And yet I could have stopped the game at any point after raven's last warning but kept on so i wouldn't ruin your game. I would say that counts for something.
This is true. It was as much because I didn't think I could rebalance the game there at one point, as it was because of the stuff you and Jerome were posting in the PG (and in Jerome's case, elsewhere, too).
I almost stopped the game, myself on Day 5, purely based on thinking I'd completely broken it with my half-asleep goof.
I'm going to have to find a timeframe that works better for everyone -- including me. 24/24, 36/12, or 48/24 are some possibilities I am considering.
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Well it should be enough. If town is only made of people that want me to hold their hand and read them bedtime stories i see no point in giving a fuck about them. And yet I could have stopped the game at any point after raven's last warning but kept on so i wouldn't ruin your game. I would say that counts for something.
This is true. It was as much because I didn't think I could rebalance the game there at one point, as it was because of the stuff you and Jerome were posting in the PG (and in Jerome's case, elsewhere, too).
I almost stopped the game, myself on Day 5, purely based on thinking I'd completely broken it with my half-asleep goof.
I'm going to have to find a timeframe that works better for everyone -- including me. 24/24, 36/12, or 48/24 are some possibilities I am considering.
Jerome
26th January 2012, 11:13 PM
eta: the "good stuff for sure" was not a dig, it was praise.
:hug:
:hug:
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 11:13 PM
Mafia is a psychological game, but the best thing is still to get past personalities. Focus on actions, not attitudes. Actions tell you what someone is thinking, regardless of the attitude that comes with it.
You know that, I know that, most mafia players know that. But it is still very hard for a lot of people to get past the personalities, or at least the style or presentation.
I said the same thing in different wording and got called an arse :D
You know that, I know that, most mafia players know that. But it is still very hard for a lot of people to get past the personalities, or at least the style or presentation.
I said the same thing in different wording and got called an arse :D
Mantisdreamz
26th January 2012, 11:14 PM
I don't think you can separate personality from the game. And I wouldn't want to either, it's the personalities that make the game fun. Otherwise we're a bunch of automatons playing clearly defined roles.
As far as MVP CGI goes I think MZ has the right of it. It's no good being right if you can't convince others of it. And MVPs usually come from the winning team, so G got MVP.
Unfortunately CGI's attitude coloured everyone's perception of his ideas. If Athene or UT had been alive instead of CGI the end game snafu wouldn't have happened. And as simple as it is to say things like "ignore the personality and just listen to the message" it's pretty difficult to do when you are being insulted by a patronising prick.
If it was UT or Athene instead, I think there still would have been a lot of suspicion on them. At least for me... it's more about knowing that they're a good player with the ability to outwit others. You could even argue that outright frustration looks more townish that a relaxed attitude.
As far as MVP CGI goes I think MZ has the right of it. It's no good being right if you can't convince others of it. And MVPs usually come from the winning team, so G got MVP.
Unfortunately CGI's attitude coloured everyone's perception of his ideas. If Athene or UT had been alive instead of CGI the end game snafu wouldn't have happened. And as simple as it is to say things like "ignore the personality and just listen to the message" it's pretty difficult to do when you are being insulted by a patronising prick.
If it was UT or Athene instead, I think there still would have been a lot of suspicion on them. At least for me... it's more about knowing that they're a good player with the ability to outwit others. You could even argue that outright frustration looks more townish that a relaxed attitude.
oblivion
26th January 2012, 11:14 PM
I also had time to lose my cool, blow up, melt down, whatever, and recover.
Good stuff for sure. :yes:
I hope I am never, ever on another scum team with you. You are a menace to your team. I hated seeing it happen again - you posting shit that spotlighted your team mates for any player who read your posts. You have this idea that no one will see through what you are doing or something, but you have no right to take chances like that when it could impact your team.
Yet my scum teams keep winning.
:smug:
So you think your cheating is beneficial?
Good stuff for sure. :yes:
I hope I am never, ever on another scum team with you. You are a menace to your team. I hated seeing it happen again - you posting shit that spotlighted your team mates for any player who read your posts. You have this idea that no one will see through what you are doing or something, but you have no right to take chances like that when it could impact your team.
Yet my scum teams keep winning.
:smug:
So you think your cheating is beneficial?
Jerome
26th January 2012, 11:15 PM
it was because of the stuff you and Jerome were posting in the PG.
I thought it only fair to balance his cheating game play.
I thought it only fair to balance his cheating game play.
Mantisdreamz
26th January 2012, 11:16 PM
I seems like he is in a leadership position in the game fairly often and when he is not being the most logical. His attitude is not altogether different from a very frustrated CGI.
You put me in that list, but it doesn't often feel like I have much sway. :)
I dunno. I usually pay close attention to your play in any game we're both in, and I think lots of other players do as well.
Yea, I do as well.
You put me in that list, but it doesn't often feel like I have much sway. :)
I dunno. I usually pay close attention to your play in any game we're both in, and I think lots of other players do as well.
Yea, I do as well.
Magicziggy
26th January 2012, 11:16 PM
Yes.. It was quite clear that you were looking down on other players. Your saving grace for convincing me you were town was your gameplay in the pg. collectively, scum wouldn't take the risk of sanction.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 11:17 PM
OThe bit of his personality that made me vote for him wasn't his "Mafia God" attitude, it was his air of smugness throughout the game, especially after he was viewed. It was the air of a Don who knew he had been viewed.
you can't make personal tells without a playing history. my scum game is nothing like that.
you can't make personal tells without a playing history. my scum game is nothing like that.
Mantisdreamz
26th January 2012, 11:18 PM
Diva and borealis should get MVP imo.
:thumbsup:
They played an awesome game. I still can't believe how natural and relaxed they seemed. Diva voting and unvoting.. voting herself, etc.
:thumbsup:
They played an awesome game. I still can't believe how natural and relaxed they seemed. Diva voting and unvoting.. voting herself, etc.
ericv00
26th January 2012, 11:20 PM
That is an issue. CGI convinced some that he was town because he was frustrated and posting in the PG. Not because he was a viewed doc with a scum counter-claim doc lynched.
Mantisdreamz
26th January 2012, 11:22 PM
Eric and Elouise: yup mea culpa I was tired and wanted to go have a shower
Mantis: :hug:
:hug:
Mantis: :hug:
:hug:
oblivion
26th January 2012, 11:24 PM
it was because of the stuff you and Jerome were posting in the PG.
I thought it only fair to balance his cheating game play.
You ignored me, the GM. You continued to do stuff that was going to hurt YOUR team, not town if anyone paid attention to you.
I cannot imagine how you thought that was "balancing". That's why I do not want to play on the same scum team with you again. Not while you think you're some kind of lone ranger bringing rough justice to games.
If CGI's "cheating" could have improved his team's chances in the game I would have done something. All it did was erode his own credibility with some town players a little.
I thought it only fair to balance his cheating game play.
You ignored me, the GM. You continued to do stuff that was going to hurt YOUR team, not town if anyone paid attention to you.
I cannot imagine how you thought that was "balancing". That's why I do not want to play on the same scum team with you again. Not while you think you're some kind of lone ranger bringing rough justice to games.
If CGI's "cheating" could have improved his team's chances in the game I would have done something. All it did was erode his own credibility with some town players a little.
oblivion
26th January 2012, 11:28 PM
Yes.. It was quite clear that you were looking down on other players. Your saving grace for convincing me you were town was your gameplay in the pg. collectively, scum wouldn't take the risk of sanction.
Thanks for posting this. I thought it had the opposite effect, tbh. And yet you still targeted him on Night 5.
I dunno.
I'm curious what players thought I should do about that. I am not as quick to punish teams as Zigmen is. Maybe I should be more so. But, I hate for anything I do after posting the day 1 OP to have an impact on the game. It should be about the players and their play.
Not the GM. And not the fucking zombies.
I'm still furious with myself over messing up your night kill on night 4.
Thanks for posting this. I thought it had the opposite effect, tbh. And yet you still targeted him on Night 5.
I dunno.
I'm curious what players thought I should do about that. I am not as quick to punish teams as Zigmen is. Maybe I should be more so. But, I hate for anything I do after posting the day 1 OP to have an impact on the game. It should be about the players and their play.
Not the GM. And not the fucking zombies.
I'm still furious with myself over messing up your night kill on night 4.
Jerome
26th January 2012, 11:29 PM
If CGI's "cheating" could have improved his team's chances in the game I would have done something. All it did was erode his own credibility with some town players a little.
:facepalm:
That is an issue. CGI convinced some that he was town because he was frustrated and posting in the PG. Not because he was a viewed doc with a scum counter-claim doc lynched.
Yes.. It was quite clear that you were looking down on other players. Your saving grace for convincing me you were town was your gameplay in the pg. collectively, scum wouldn't take the risk of sanction.
:facepalm:
That is an issue. CGI convinced some that he was town because he was frustrated and posting in the PG. Not because he was a viewed doc with a scum counter-claim doc lynched.
Yes.. It was quite clear that you were looking down on other players. Your saving grace for convincing me you were town was your gameplay in the pg. collectively, scum wouldn't take the risk of sanction.
Jerome
26th January 2012, 11:30 PM
Not while you think you're some kind of lone ranger bringing rough justice to games.
That is a brilliant line!!!
That is a brilliant line!!!
Cpt. Gender Injustice
26th January 2012, 11:30 PM
You ignored me, the GM. http://i.imgur.com/kl3xr.gif
http://i.imgur.com/4WKOA.gif
http://i.imgur.com/4WKOA.gif
oblivion
26th January 2012, 11:32 PM
If CGI's "cheating" could have improved his team's chances in the game I would have done something. All it did was erode his own credibility with some town players a little.
:facepalm:
That is an issue. CGI convinced some that he was town because he was frustrated and posting in the PG. Not because he was a viewed doc with a scum counter-claim doc lynched.
Yes.. It was quite clear that you were looking down on other players. Your saving grace for convincing me you were town was your gameplay in the pg. collectively, scum wouldn't take the risk of sanction.
I don't care what you think about this. You cheated. You continued to cheat after I told you to stop. And you're more interested in justifying that than anything else IMO.
I will listen to other players and take their thoughts under consideration for future GMing.
:facepalm:
That is an issue. CGI convinced some that he was town because he was frustrated and posting in the PG. Not because he was a viewed doc with a scum counter-claim doc lynched.
Yes.. It was quite clear that you were looking down on other players. Your saving grace for convincing me you were town was your gameplay in the pg. collectively, scum wouldn't take the risk of sanction.
I don't care what you think about this. You cheated. You continued to cheat after I told you to stop. And you're more interested in justifying that than anything else IMO.
I will listen to other players and take their thoughts under consideration for future GMing.
Nightson
26th January 2012, 11:35 PM
Locking the pg thread was an option. I don't like punishing teams, I do like punishing cheating by locking the player out of the next few games.
Jerome
26th January 2012, 11:36 PM
Ob, you ran a game that had a couple of bumps, and guess what, everyone enjoyed the game and it was completed to everyone's satisfaction that is was run fairly.
You should be pleased with the game. :yes:
You should be pleased with the game. :yes:
oblivion
26th January 2012, 11:37 PM
You ignored me, the GM. http://i.imgur.com/kl3xr.gif
http://i.imgur.com/4WKOA.gif
You thought that your post about 15 minutes before the deadline for night actions didn't have any effect on the night actions. There were players with night actions around when you made the post. People did second-think, though not after the post you made.
Why did you think it wouldn't have an impact? Why not wait another 15 minutes?
Your posts during the game day in the peanut gallery were not technically gameplay, though they drew some dead players into replies. But the post you made just before the night action window was a potential game-changer.
I really need to trust that it won't happen again.
http://i.imgur.com/4WKOA.gif
You thought that your post about 15 minutes before the deadline for night actions didn't have any effect on the night actions. There were players with night actions around when you made the post. People did second-think, though not after the post you made.
Why did you think it wouldn't have an impact? Why not wait another 15 minutes?
Your posts during the game day in the peanut gallery were not technically gameplay, though they drew some dead players into replies. But the post you made just before the night action window was a potential game-changer.
I really need to trust that it won't happen again.
Adenosine
26th January 2012, 11:38 PM
^^ this is so true
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Well it should be enough. If town is only made of people that want me to hold their hand and read them bedtime stories i see no point in giving a fuck about them. And yet I could have stopped the game at any point after raven's last warning but kept on so i wouldn't ruin your game. I would say that counts for something.
Can you see how utterly egotistical that is? :stare:
Thank you CGI for allowing the game to continue. You are a god!
it was because of the stuff you and Jerome were posting in the PG.
I thought it only fair to balance his cheating game play.
Get out. Seriously, no one except the GM should be balancing the game. And it isn't the first time Jerome. Every time I've been scum with you you have zombie played. It's crap and unfair.
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Well it should be enough. If town is only made of people that want me to hold their hand and read them bedtime stories i see no point in giving a fuck about them. And yet I could have stopped the game at any point after raven's last warning but kept on so i wouldn't ruin your game. I would say that counts for something.
Can you see how utterly egotistical that is? :stare:
Thank you CGI for allowing the game to continue. You are a god!
it was because of the stuff you and Jerome were posting in the PG.
I thought it only fair to balance his cheating game play.
Get out. Seriously, no one except the GM should be balancing the game. And it isn't the first time Jerome. Every time I've been scum with you you have zombie played. It's crap and unfair.
Jerome
26th January 2012, 11:40 PM
OK, I get it, the line is drawn and I agree.
oblivion
26th January 2012, 11:40 PM
Locking the pg thread was an option. I don't like punishing teams, I do like punishing cheating by locking the player out of the next few games.
Agree.
I considered locking the PG thread. I am considering not having a PG thread for my next game. But, I'd rather be able to trust players' integrity. mafia PG threads aren't something new. It's not like people don't understand the concept.
Agree.
I considered locking the PG thread. I am considering not having a PG thread for my next game. But, I'd rather be able to trust players' integrity. mafia PG threads aren't something new. It's not like people don't understand the concept.
gib
26th January 2012, 11:42 PM
Ob, you ran a game that had a couple of bumps, and guess what, everyone enjoyed the game and it was completed to everyone's satisfaction that is was run fairly.
You should be pleased with the game. :yes:
this and everything eric said in the last few pages
You should be pleased with the game. :yes:
this and everything eric said in the last few pages
Danny
26th January 2012, 11:43 PM
I hope I am never, ever on another scum team with you. You are a menace to your team. I hated seeing it happen again - you posting shit that spotlighted your team mates for any player who read your posts. You have this idea that no one will see through what you are doing or something, but you have no right to take chances like that when it could impact your team.
Yet my scum teams keep winning.
:smug:
because no one reads your posts dummy
Yet my scum teams keep winning.
:smug:
because no one reads your posts dummy
gib
26th January 2012, 11:43 PM
confirmation bias is everything
Jerome
26th January 2012, 11:47 PM
because no one reads your posts dummy
I take that into account.
I take that into account.
gib
26th January 2012, 11:51 PM
jerome i read some of your posts
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