MindRompersuit Mafia - Day 7 page 2
Jerome
26th January 2012, 11:52 PM
Thanks Friend Gib. :o
Facetious
26th January 2012, 11:56 PM
I tend to skim over your posts tbh Jerome. I read Daphne's though.
Jerome
26th January 2012, 11:57 PM
lol
:hehe:
:thumbsup:
:hehe:
:thumbsup:
borealis
27th January 2012, 12:07 AM
Mafia is a psychological game, but the best thing is still to get past personalities. Focus on actions, not attitudes. Actions tell you what someone is thinking, regardless of the attitude that comes with it.
You know that, I know that, most mafia players know that. But it is still very hard for a lot of people to get past the personalities, or at least the style or presentation.
I said the same thing in different wording and got called an arse :D
Well, stop being an arse! :whyyou:
Anyway, there's been a bit of over-reacting, I think. You aren't that much of an arse. :blinksmile:
I keep wondering if I'd been town, if I would have fallen for the 'CGI is don' theme, or been able to look at you objectively.
You know that, I know that, most mafia players know that. But it is still very hard for a lot of people to get past the personalities, or at least the style or presentation.
I said the same thing in different wording and got called an arse :D
Well, stop being an arse! :whyyou:
Anyway, there's been a bit of over-reacting, I think. You aren't that much of an arse. :blinksmile:
I keep wondering if I'd been town, if I would have fallen for the 'CGI is don' theme, or been able to look at you objectively.
ericv00
27th January 2012, 12:15 AM
I keep wondering if I'd been town, if I would have fallen for the 'CGI is don' theme, or been able to look at you objectively.
I thought about it a lot before the doc claim. But without the claim shenanigans, I still would not have gone after him until it became necessary.
I thought about it a lot before the doc claim. But without the claim shenanigans, I still would not have gone after him until it became necessary.
borealis
27th January 2012, 12:15 AM
lol
:hehe:
:thumbsup:
All very amusing for you jerome, I'm sure, but I am not at all happy that you posted stuff off the scum writeboard in a visible thread. If Ob hadn't told us about it, or we hadn't seen it, so that I was able to avoid using that material, anyone who saw your post could have identified me as scum in the game.
What were you thinking?
:hehe:
:thumbsup:
All very amusing for you jerome, I'm sure, but I am not at all happy that you posted stuff off the scum writeboard in a visible thread. If Ob hadn't told us about it, or we hadn't seen it, so that I was able to avoid using that material, anyone who saw your post could have identified me as scum in the game.
What were you thinking?
borealis
27th January 2012, 12:18 AM
I keep wondering if I'd been town, if I would have fallen for the 'CGI is don' theme, or been able to look at you objectively.
I thought about it a lot before the doc claim. But without the claim shenanigans, I still would not have gone after him until it became necessary.
I like to think I'd have thought 'outed doc, apparently seer cleared, what's not to trust'.
I thought about it a lot before the doc claim. But without the claim shenanigans, I still would not have gone after him until it became necessary.
I like to think I'd have thought 'outed doc, apparently seer cleared, what's not to trust'.
Jerome
27th January 2012, 12:18 AM
What were you thinking?
I shit the bed, sorry..
I shit the bed, sorry..
borealis
27th January 2012, 12:20 AM
What were you thinking?
I shit the bed, sorry..
I didn't ask you about your unfortunate nocturnal accidents.
I asked what you were thinking when you posted that material.
I shit the bed, sorry..
I didn't ask you about your unfortunate nocturnal accidents.
I asked what you were thinking when you posted that material.
Jerome
27th January 2012, 12:23 AM
I asked what you were thinking when you posted that material.
that nobody would read it, i posted 3 random words in an Obama thread.
that nobody would read it, i posted 3 random words in an Obama thread.
Danny
27th January 2012, 12:25 AM
because...
Jerome
27th January 2012, 12:30 AM
because community rules rule
ericv00
27th January 2012, 12:34 AM
I keep wondering if I'd been town, if I would have fallen for the 'CGI is don' theme, or been able to look at you objectively.
I thought about it a lot before the doc claim. But without the claim shenanigans, I still would not have gone after him until it became necessary.
I like to think I'd have thought 'outed doc, apparently seer cleared, what's not to trust'.
Feck counter-claimed doc, was lynched, was scum. If CGI was scum after ALL OF THAT, I'd say that was quite a piece of twine they had for their high-wire act.
I thought about it a lot before the doc claim. But without the claim shenanigans, I still would not have gone after him until it became necessary.
I like to think I'd have thought 'outed doc, apparently seer cleared, what's not to trust'.
Feck counter-claimed doc, was lynched, was scum. If CGI was scum after ALL OF THAT, I'd say that was quite a piece of twine they had for their high-wire act.
Magicziggy
27th January 2012, 12:52 AM
I had a nagging doubt all game that cgi was scum. On one night I considered killing him.. The pg gameplay made me think twice... This is the issue.. It fucks with those trying to get a read.. Same with Aden apologizing to UT. Clearly Aden was town and clearly he was sorry for lynching UT.. Made all the more clear by posting it in the pg. I'd like that kind of thing to stop.
Yes my skepticism about cgi returned when feck countered. It's unfortunate that I consider some of the possibilities that I do. But I did have a fair read on nostrum and we kind of backed each other in on testing out his claim.
Yes my skepticism about cgi returned when feck countered. It's unfortunate that I consider some of the possibilities that I do. But I did have a fair read on nostrum and we kind of backed each other in on testing out his claim.
Jerome
27th January 2012, 01:09 AM
Same with Aden apologizing to UT. Clearly Aden was town and clearly he was sorry for lynching UT.. Made all the more clear by posting it in the pg. I'd like that kind of thing to stop.
two dead teammates giving condolences is exactly what the peanut gallery is for.
:colbert:
two dead teammates giving condolences is exactly what the peanut gallery is for.
:colbert:
Magicziggy
27th January 2012, 01:11 AM
Same with Aden apologizing to UT. Clearly Aden was town and clearly he was sorry for lynching UT.. Made all the more clear by posting it in the pg. I'd like that kind of thing to stop.
two dead teammates giving condolences is exactly what the peanut gallery is for.
:colbert:
Aden wasn't dead
two dead teammates giving condolences is exactly what the peanut gallery is for.
:colbert:
Aden wasn't dead
Nightson
27th January 2012, 01:13 AM
Yeah, there was a reason I waited until I was dead to apologize to UT.
oblivion
27th January 2012, 01:14 AM
Same with Aden apologizing to UT. Clearly Aden was town and clearly he was sorry for lynching UT.. Made all the more clear by posting it in the pg. I'd like that kind of thing to stop.
two dead teammates giving condolences is exactly what the peanut gallery is for.
:colbert:
Aden wasn't dead
Yep.
With some people you can assume it's calculated and dismiss it as wifom no matter what their role. CGI falls into that group for me. With others, it's hard to say.
And it doesn't belong in a peanut gallery.
I'm leaning more and more toward not having a peanut gallery thread for my next game.
two dead teammates giving condolences is exactly what the peanut gallery is for.
:colbert:
Aden wasn't dead
Yep.
With some people you can assume it's calculated and dismiss it as wifom no matter what their role. CGI falls into that group for me. With others, it's hard to say.
And it doesn't belong in a peanut gallery.
I'm leaning more and more toward not having a peanut gallery thread for my next game.
Mantisdreamz
27th January 2012, 01:16 AM
Yea, I posted a bit in the pg during the last day, probably when i shouldn't have.
I also felt really bad when UT posted after he got lynched. I was tempted to apologize in thread to him... about saying the lack of contribution thing, which was a stupid thing to say. I ended up sending a pm.
I hope he returns to play again.
I also felt really bad when UT posted after he got lynched. I was tempted to apologize in thread to him... about saying the lack of contribution thing, which was a stupid thing to say. I ended up sending a pm.
I hope he returns to play again.
Jerome
27th January 2012, 01:20 AM
He will be back, he is a good player, we make good games, I am certain.
:blinksmile:
:blinksmile:
divagreen
27th January 2012, 01:48 AM
I asked what you were thinking when you posted that material.
that nobody would read it, i posted 3 random words in an Obama thread.
Those "random" words could have implicated Borealis if she would have used them. You fucked up our minigame. The main point though is that it is absolutely shitty to post stuff off of our scumboard while the game is still going on. It is a HUGE breach of trust. HUGE. It is because of antics like these that people don't want you in their games. If I am ever on a scum team with you again I am going to ask the GM to change the password after you get lynched so that this shit doesn't happen again.
that nobody would read it, i posted 3 random words in an Obama thread.
Those "random" words could have implicated Borealis if she would have used them. You fucked up our minigame. The main point though is that it is absolutely shitty to post stuff off of our scumboard while the game is still going on. It is a HUGE breach of trust. HUGE. It is because of antics like these that people don't want you in their games. If I am ever on a scum team with you again I am going to ask the GM to change the password after you get lynched so that this shit doesn't happen again.
divagreen
27th January 2012, 01:49 AM
I had a nagging doubt all game that cgi was scum. On one night I considered killing him.. The pg gameplay made me think twice... This is the issue.. It fucks with those trying to get a read.. Same with Aden apologizing to UT. Clearly Aden was town and clearly he was sorry for lynching UT.. Made all the more clear by posting it in the pg. I'd like that kind of thing to stop.
Yes my skepticism about cgi returned when feck countered. It's unfortunate that I consider some of the possibilities that I do. But I did have a fair read on nostrum and we kind of backed each other in on testing out his claim.
:nada:
Yes my skepticism about cgi returned when feck countered. It's unfortunate that I consider some of the possibilities that I do. But I did have a fair read on nostrum and we kind of backed each other in on testing out his claim.
:nada:
Jerome
27th January 2012, 02:03 AM
You fucked up our minigame.the minigame may have lost the game
divagreen
27th January 2012, 02:05 AM
Aden, MZ, I respect your opinions. But something you might want to consider is that scum was fucking with CGI. Hard. We were doing every single thing that we could think of to try to unbalance him. I think that might be partly why he lashed out.
CGI put a lot of effort into the game, but so did a lot of other players! I know I did and so did Borealis and Feck. I don't think that MVP award should go to Gonzo...he ended up getting lynched so that Aden could be saved. (Sorry Gonzo.) I think it should go to Borealis. Her choice in nightkills were spot on. She was fun and I loved being on the same team with her.
CGI put a lot of effort into the game, but so did a lot of other players! I know I did and so did Borealis and Feck. I don't think that MVP award should go to Gonzo...he ended up getting lynched so that Aden could be saved. (Sorry Gonzo.) I think it should go to Borealis. Her choice in nightkills were spot on. She was fun and I loved being on the same team with her.
divagreen
27th January 2012, 02:07 AM
You fucked up our minigame.the minigame may have lost the game
Fuck off, Jerome. It was not your decision and what you did was shitty.
Fuck off, Jerome. It was not your decision and what you did was shitty.
Jerome
27th January 2012, 02:08 AM
It was not your decision and what you did was shitty.
i now agree
i now agree
charlou
27th January 2012, 02:13 AM
And yet I could have stopped the game at any point after raven's last warning but kept on so i wouldn't ruin your game. I would say that counts for something.
By that standard, all the players have done the right thing and your decision to not take that into your own hands isn't remarkable at all.
Words only reflect on the person who utters them, by the way.
By that standard, all the players have done the right thing and your decision to not take that into your own hands isn't remarkable at all.
Words only reflect on the person who utters them, by the way.
oblivion
27th January 2012, 03:26 AM
I want to thank everyone for your feedback about the game design, and I'm really happy that most folks enjoyed the game. Those of you who study GM meta probably already know this - I do take feedback on board, even when I growl about it, and I take cogent criticism to heart in future game designs.
CGI's feedback over the years has definitely impacted my game designs. I'd say he and Luis Garcia have had the most influence in terms of balance considerations. Teshi's been a huge influence in terms of creative use of unusual roles.
Thanks for playing my first MindRomp game! I will remember it fondly for two reasons. One "Oh My" announcement, and one MR baby born.
CGI's feedback over the years has definitely impacted my game designs. I'd say he and Luis Garcia have had the most influence in terms of balance considerations. Teshi's been a huge influence in terms of creative use of unusual roles.
Thanks for playing my first MindRomp game! I will remember it fondly for two reasons. One "Oh My" announcement, and one MR baby born.
charlou
27th January 2012, 03:28 AM
:D yes indeedy!
nostrum
27th January 2012, 04:05 AM
CGI is not an unknown, but he doesn't play that often at TR/Ratz these days. It can be really frustrating to play in an environment where you don't have reputation or your reputation is a little meh. He was making sense IMO, but people simply didn't trust him, and the more cleared he became the less trust he got.
I think town was more at fault there than CGI was.
I experienced that kind of reverse reputation in one of the games I played at FF last year. My previous role in a game there had been scum, and most players didn't know my town game at all. I think the most effective thing I was able to do was to identify some players I thought were town and support them when I thought they were right. Actually being the one out front pushing for anything was p much useless.
That was a long game, though. Started in August and ended in November. I had time to adjust my style and figure out what worked. I also had time to lose my cool, blow up, melt down, whatever, and recover.
I know thinker as a good player. I agree that town was at fault; how could it not be given he actually was the doc??
^^ this is so true
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Otoh, too many town players did focus on attitude and familiarity with each other's styles rather than looking at whatever was factual or objectively likely. They should have been able to look beyond whether CGI was annoying them or not to decide if he was right.
...imo*.
*I'm not generally thought to be a very good player. Too panicky, for one thing.
I didn't find CGI annoying in the game at all :dunno: I just found him very determined, and early on I found that townish. He was also about the ONLY player who could recognised the bleeding obvious: that I was a day-kill vig. Unfortunately because I was unaware of ob's ( :whyyou: ) scum balancing role extravaganza, I simply could not believe there could be a doc in the game. Mea Culpa.
What I found annoying in the game was town players seriously considering I wasn't what I said I was. Of course, had diva done her thing then you'd have seen a nostrum meltdown of proportions you've never seen before.
Maybe. But it was surprisingly easy to convince people to be suspicious of CGI, and I'm not at all sure the same would be true if he had not 'quieted down', because that's kind of useless, but been more persuasive and less inclined to call people dummies etc. people resent the shit out of that stuff, even while saying it doesn't matter. And they quit listening.
You have played with teeth.
Why do people listen to him? When he is trolley-tracking. On obvious town players. Calling everyone who disagrees dummies and scum.
People pick something and don't reassess. Confirmation bias. It rules everything.
Mafia is a psychological game, but the best thing is still to get past personalities. Focus on actions, not attitudes. Actions tell you what someone is thinking, regardless of the attitude that comes with it.
Confirmation bias is THE town killer :yes:
I know there's been some stuff thrown at CGI (which perhaps is a result of him calling me and someone else a shit-for-brains) but during the game the only one taking umbrage at his attempts to control town was borealis who was... scum.. and playing him.
^^ this is so true
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Well it should be enough. If town is only made of people that want me to hold their hand and read them bedtime stories i see no point in giving a fuck about them. And yet I could have stopped the game at any point after raven's last warning but kept on so i wouldn't ruin your game. I would say that counts for something.
CGI you lose a bit of support when you say stuff like this. All town was in the same boat, so it's not like you personally should hold the decision to keep the game going or not :unsure:
it was because of the stuff you and Jerome were posting in the PG.
I thought it only fair to balance his cheating game play.
You ignored me, the GM. You continued to do stuff that was going to hurt YOUR team, not town if anyone paid attention to you.
I cannot imagine how you thought that was "balancing". That's why I do not want to play on the same scum team with you again. Not while you think you're some kind of lone ranger bringing rough justice to games.
If CGI's "cheating" could have improved his team's chances in the game I would have done something. All it did was erode his own credibility with some town players a little.
It did, yes. Dead players could apologise profusely to UT, but live ones, no. It's not on. MZ considered CGI must be town for doing so, but it raised doubt in my mind, given he seemed to want to take ob to the brink about whether the game should continue or not. I wasn't impressed.
Yes.. It was quite clear that you were looking down on other players. Your saving grace for convincing me you were town was your gameplay in the pg. collectively, scum wouldn't take the risk of sanction.
Thanks for posting this. I thought it had the opposite effect, tbh. And yet you still targeted him on Night 5.
I dunno.
I'm curious what players thought I should do about that. I am not as quick to punish teams as Zigmen is. Maybe I should be more so. But, I hate for anything I do after posting the day 1 OP to have an impact on the game. It should be about the players and their play.
Not the GM. And not the fucking zombies.
I'm still furious with myself over messing up your night kill on night 4.
The only thing I found obnoxious about CGI was his post-game rant at you. Plus his recent post that it was by 'his good graces' that he allowed the game to go on :doh:
It does come down to personal integrity of the players, and I think dick-ish behaviour from CGI which is openly gameplay in the PG [as for Jerome I wasn't paying any attention to him, so that's a good thing] and designed to taunt you, should result in some kind of consequence.
Now I'm reading about what Jerome did, I think he was a complete arse to make out like I was game playing elsewhere by joking around with aden re his user handle change. :nono:
Locking the pg thread was an option. I don't like punishing teams, I do like punishing cheating by locking the player out of the next few games.
Agree.
I considered locking the PG thread. I am considering not having a PG thread for my next game. But, I'd rather be able to trust players' integrity. mafia PG threads aren't something new. It's not like people don't understand the concept.
Yes maybe that's the answer. It seems like some people cannot restrain themselves from playing the game in there. Zombie play is the absolute worst offence IMO.
Yea, I posted a bit in the pg during the last day, probably when i shouldn't have.
I also felt really bad when UT posted after he got lynched. I was tempted to apologize in thread to him... about saying the lack of contribution thing, which was a stupid thing to say. I ended up sending a pm.
I hope he returns to play again.
I sent him a PM, too. I can't understand why other players still in the game couldn't have done the same thing if they genuinely felt bad about what he posted, rather than just used it as an excuse to gameplay.
I think town was more at fault there than CGI was.
I experienced that kind of reverse reputation in one of the games I played at FF last year. My previous role in a game there had been scum, and most players didn't know my town game at all. I think the most effective thing I was able to do was to identify some players I thought were town and support them when I thought they were right. Actually being the one out front pushing for anything was p much useless.
That was a long game, though. Started in August and ended in November. I had time to adjust my style and figure out what worked. I also had time to lose my cool, blow up, melt down, whatever, and recover.
I know thinker as a good player. I agree that town was at fault; how could it not be given he actually was the doc??
^^ this is so true
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Otoh, too many town players did focus on attitude and familiarity with each other's styles rather than looking at whatever was factual or objectively likely. They should have been able to look beyond whether CGI was annoying them or not to decide if he was right.
...imo*.
*I'm not generally thought to be a very good player. Too panicky, for one thing.
I didn't find CGI annoying in the game at all :dunno: I just found him very determined, and early on I found that townish. He was also about the ONLY player who could recognised the bleeding obvious: that I was a day-kill vig. Unfortunately because I was unaware of ob's ( :whyyou: ) scum balancing role extravaganza, I simply could not believe there could be a doc in the game. Mea Culpa.
What I found annoying in the game was town players seriously considering I wasn't what I said I was. Of course, had diva done her thing then you'd have seen a nostrum meltdown of proportions you've never seen before.
Maybe. But it was surprisingly easy to convince people to be suspicious of CGI, and I'm not at all sure the same would be true if he had not 'quieted down', because that's kind of useless, but been more persuasive and less inclined to call people dummies etc. people resent the shit out of that stuff, even while saying it doesn't matter. And they quit listening.
You have played with teeth.
Why do people listen to him? When he is trolley-tracking. On obvious town players. Calling everyone who disagrees dummies and scum.
People pick something and don't reassess. Confirmation bias. It rules everything.
Mafia is a psychological game, but the best thing is still to get past personalities. Focus on actions, not attitudes. Actions tell you what someone is thinking, regardless of the attitude that comes with it.
Confirmation bias is THE town killer :yes:
I know there's been some stuff thrown at CGI (which perhaps is a result of him calling me and someone else a shit-for-brains) but during the game the only one taking umbrage at his attempts to control town was borealis who was... scum.. and playing him.
^^ this is so true
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Well it should be enough. If town is only made of people that want me to hold their hand and read them bedtime stories i see no point in giving a fuck about them. And yet I could have stopped the game at any point after raven's last warning but kept on so i wouldn't ruin your game. I would say that counts for something.
CGI you lose a bit of support when you say stuff like this. All town was in the same boat, so it's not like you personally should hold the decision to keep the game going or not :unsure:
it was because of the stuff you and Jerome were posting in the PG.
I thought it only fair to balance his cheating game play.
You ignored me, the GM. You continued to do stuff that was going to hurt YOUR team, not town if anyone paid attention to you.
I cannot imagine how you thought that was "balancing". That's why I do not want to play on the same scum team with you again. Not while you think you're some kind of lone ranger bringing rough justice to games.
If CGI's "cheating" could have improved his team's chances in the game I would have done something. All it did was erode his own credibility with some town players a little.
It did, yes. Dead players could apologise profusely to UT, but live ones, no. It's not on. MZ considered CGI must be town for doing so, but it raised doubt in my mind, given he seemed to want to take ob to the brink about whether the game should continue or not. I wasn't impressed.
Yes.. It was quite clear that you were looking down on other players. Your saving grace for convincing me you were town was your gameplay in the pg. collectively, scum wouldn't take the risk of sanction.
Thanks for posting this. I thought it had the opposite effect, tbh. And yet you still targeted him on Night 5.
I dunno.
I'm curious what players thought I should do about that. I am not as quick to punish teams as Zigmen is. Maybe I should be more so. But, I hate for anything I do after posting the day 1 OP to have an impact on the game. It should be about the players and their play.
Not the GM. And not the fucking zombies.
I'm still furious with myself over messing up your night kill on night 4.
The only thing I found obnoxious about CGI was his post-game rant at you. Plus his recent post that it was by 'his good graces' that he allowed the game to go on :doh:
It does come down to personal integrity of the players, and I think dick-ish behaviour from CGI which is openly gameplay in the PG [as for Jerome I wasn't paying any attention to him, so that's a good thing] and designed to taunt you, should result in some kind of consequence.
Now I'm reading about what Jerome did, I think he was a complete arse to make out like I was game playing elsewhere by joking around with aden re his user handle change. :nono:
Locking the pg thread was an option. I don't like punishing teams, I do like punishing cheating by locking the player out of the next few games.
Agree.
I considered locking the PG thread. I am considering not having a PG thread for my next game. But, I'd rather be able to trust players' integrity. mafia PG threads aren't something new. It's not like people don't understand the concept.
Yes maybe that's the answer. It seems like some people cannot restrain themselves from playing the game in there. Zombie play is the absolute worst offence IMO.
Yea, I posted a bit in the pg during the last day, probably when i shouldn't have.
I also felt really bad when UT posted after he got lynched. I was tempted to apologize in thread to him... about saying the lack of contribution thing, which was a stupid thing to say. I ended up sending a pm.
I hope he returns to play again.
I sent him a PM, too. I can't understand why other players still in the game couldn't have done the same thing if they genuinely felt bad about what he posted, rather than just used it as an excuse to gameplay.
nostrum
27th January 2012, 04:08 AM
I want to thank everyone for your feedback about the game design, and I'm really happy that most folks enjoyed the game. Those of you who study GM meta probably already know this - I do take feedback on board, even when I growl about it, and I take cogent criticism to heart in future game designs.
CGI's feedback over the years has definitely impacted my game designs. I'd say he and Luis Garcia have had the most influence in terms of balance considerations. Teshi's been a huge influence in terms of creative use of unusual roles.
Thanks for playing my first MindRomp game! I will remember it fondly for two reasons. One "Oh My" announcement, and one MR baby born.
I did enjoy the game, so thank you for running it. :beercheers: I was getting a little tired of being in the centre of days' worth of speculation about me, but that relates to prior recent game history.
I think scum played superlatively. As did CGI. Town will be town, and will screw up and get confused and go after the wrong players. I don't think there's a single shit-for-brains playing mafia here, so although I understand CGI's frustration, I think it's a short-sighted thing to do, to try to kick other players and tell them they are crap. YMMV.
CGI's feedback over the years has definitely impacted my game designs. I'd say he and Luis Garcia have had the most influence in terms of balance considerations. Teshi's been a huge influence in terms of creative use of unusual roles.
Thanks for playing my first MindRomp game! I will remember it fondly for two reasons. One "Oh My" announcement, and one MR baby born.
I did enjoy the game, so thank you for running it. :beercheers: I was getting a little tired of being in the centre of days' worth of speculation about me, but that relates to prior recent game history.
I think scum played superlatively. As did CGI. Town will be town, and will screw up and get confused and go after the wrong players. I don't think there's a single shit-for-brains playing mafia here, so although I understand CGI's frustration, I think it's a short-sighted thing to do, to try to kick other players and tell them they are crap. YMMV.
Jerome
27th January 2012, 04:17 AM
well 100 posts and i get lynched for not participating enough, nice. I was hoping with a new forum i could play some relaxed mafia instead of having to dedicate hours a day to it, but i guess not.
Good luck with the forum and i'll see you guys around.
This is the purpose of the pg, get it off your chest.
Don't leave too soon UT, you are a fun game player, i would be interested on what you said on other subjects. :]
No game play here, right?
Good luck with the forum and i'll see you guys around.
This is the purpose of the pg, get it off your chest.
Don't leave too soon UT, you are a fun game player, i would be interested on what you said on other subjects. :]
No game play here, right?
nostrum
27th January 2012, 04:19 AM
well 100 posts and i get lynched for not participating enough, nice. I was hoping with a new forum i could play some relaxed mafia instead of having to dedicate hours a day to it, but i guess not.
Good luck with the forum and i'll see you guys around.
This is the purpose of the pg, get it off your chest.
Don't leave too soon UT, you are a fun game player, i would be interested on what you said on other subjects. :]
No game play here, right?
IMO no. But your crimes are far worse, Mr Gnome :thwack:
Good luck with the forum and i'll see you guys around.
This is the purpose of the pg, get it off your chest.
Don't leave too soon UT, you are a fun game player, i would be interested on what you said on other subjects. :]
No game play here, right?
IMO no. But your crimes are far worse, Mr Gnome :thwack:
Jerome
27th January 2012, 04:20 AM
the trouble started when live players started posting in the pg
Mantisdreamz
27th January 2012, 05:45 AM
What I found annoying in the game was town players seriously considering I wasn't what I said I was. Of course, had diva done her thing then you'd have seen a nostrum meltdown of proportions you've never seen before.
But with this.. is that you can't believe what everyone says in good faith. There's always going to be questioning about it. In your case.. it is more unlikely to have a scum with a day kill, but it turns out that was a role anyway. Remember the game we played at ratz.. and DP was the scum flavour cop? Scum ended up winning because they didn't question DP's claim.
But with this.. is that you can't believe what everyone says in good faith. There's always going to be questioning about it. In your case.. it is more unlikely to have a scum with a day kill, but it turns out that was a role anyway. Remember the game we played at ratz.. and DP was the scum flavour cop? Scum ended up winning because they didn't question DP's claim.
nostrum
27th January 2012, 05:59 AM
What I found annoying in the game was town players seriously considering I wasn't what I said I was. Of course, had diva done her thing then you'd have seen a nostrum meltdown of proportions you've never seen before.
But with this.. is that you can't believe what everyone says in good faith. There's always going to be questioning about it. In your case.. it is more unlikely to have a scum with a day kill, but it turns out that was a role anyway. Remember the game we played at ratz.. and DP was the scum flavour cop? Scum ended up winning because they didn't question DP's claim.
Oh, sure. I just mean that after that TR game it was such a hassle to have such a question mark over me, when occam's says that could I only be what I said I was.
But with this.. is that you can't believe what everyone says in good faith. There's always going to be questioning about it. In your case.. it is more unlikely to have a scum with a day kill, but it turns out that was a role anyway. Remember the game we played at ratz.. and DP was the scum flavour cop? Scum ended up winning because they didn't question DP's claim.
Oh, sure. I just mean that after that TR game it was such a hassle to have such a question mark over me, when occam's says that could I only be what I said I was.
MSG
27th January 2012, 06:02 AM
yeah, should just default lynch you day 1 & save everyone the trouble...
nostrum
27th January 2012, 06:11 AM
yeah, should just default lynch you day 1 & save everyone the trouble...
You'd have to play to be able to do that :stuckup:
You'd have to play to be able to do that :stuckup:
Mantisdreamz
27th January 2012, 06:34 AM
What I found annoying in the game was town players seriously considering I wasn't what I said I was. Of course, had diva done her thing then you'd have seen a nostrum meltdown of proportions you've never seen before.
But with this.. is that you can't believe what everyone says in good faith. There's always going to be questioning about it. In your case.. it is more unlikely to have a scum with a day kill, but it turns out that was a role anyway. Remember the game we played at ratz.. and DP was the scum flavour cop? Scum ended up winning because they didn't question DP's claim.
Oh, sure. I just mean that after that TR game it was such a hassle to have such a question mark over me, when occam's says that could I only be what I said I was.
I get that... it was the same shit being thrown at you again basically! But ya, occam's razor says that, though it's still not for sure. At least in my mind... i go paranoid with only a few people, and I think you happen to be one of them! :blush:
But with this.. is that you can't believe what everyone says in good faith. There's always going to be questioning about it. In your case.. it is more unlikely to have a scum with a day kill, but it turns out that was a role anyway. Remember the game we played at ratz.. and DP was the scum flavour cop? Scum ended up winning because they didn't question DP's claim.
Oh, sure. I just mean that after that TR game it was such a hassle to have such a question mark over me, when occam's says that could I only be what I said I was.
I get that... it was the same shit being thrown at you again basically! But ya, occam's razor says that, though it's still not for sure. At least in my mind... i go paranoid with only a few people, and I think you happen to be one of them! :blush:
Cpt. Gender Injustice
27th January 2012, 09:48 AM
Locking the pg thread was an option. I don't like punishing teams, I do like punishing cheating by locking the player out of the next few games.
Agree.
I considered locking the PG thread. I am considering not having a PG thread for my next game. But, I'd rather be able to trust players' integrity. mafia PG threads aren't something new. It's not like people don't understand the concept.
just allow night chat and make night moves final.
long nights are stupid with games this small, they should last 1-2 hours and nightfall should be at a time when everyone can be online.
Agree.
I considered locking the PG thread. I am considering not having a PG thread for my next game. But, I'd rather be able to trust players' integrity. mafia PG threads aren't something new. It's not like people don't understand the concept.
just allow night chat and make night moves final.
long nights are stupid with games this small, they should last 1-2 hours and nightfall should be at a time when everyone can be online.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
27th January 2012, 09:50 AM
^^ this is so true
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Well it should be enough. If town is only made of people that want me to hold their hand and read them bedtime stories i see no point in giving a fuck about them. And yet I could have stopped the game at any point after raven's last warning but kept on so i wouldn't ruin your game. I would say that counts for something.
Thank you CGI for playing on despite everyone acting like they don't give a fuck about mafia and voting for stupid reasons like taking showers
apology accepted
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Well it should be enough. If town is only made of people that want me to hold their hand and read them bedtime stories i see no point in giving a fuck about them. And yet I could have stopped the game at any point after raven's last warning but kept on so i wouldn't ruin your game. I would say that counts for something.
Thank you CGI for playing on despite everyone acting like they don't give a fuck about mafia and voting for stupid reasons like taking showers
apology accepted
Magicziggy
27th January 2012, 09:51 AM
Locking the pg thread was an option. I don't like punishing teams, I do like punishing cheating by locking the player out of the next few games.
Agree.
I considered locking the PG thread. I am considering not having a PG thread for my next game. But, I'd rather be able to trust players' integrity. mafia PG threads aren't something new. It's not like people don't understand the concept.
just allow night chat and make night moves final.
long nights are stupid with games this small, they should last 1-2 hours and nightfall should be at a time when everyone can be online.
not everyone has the same 2 hour window. That is not a practical suggestion.
12hour nights are reasonable imo
It doesn't take much discipline not to gameplay in the PG
Agree.
I considered locking the PG thread. I am considering not having a PG thread for my next game. But, I'd rather be able to trust players' integrity. mafia PG threads aren't something new. It's not like people don't understand the concept.
just allow night chat and make night moves final.
long nights are stupid with games this small, they should last 1-2 hours and nightfall should be at a time when everyone can be online.
not everyone has the same 2 hour window. That is not a practical suggestion.
12hour nights are reasonable imo
It doesn't take much discipline not to gameplay in the PG
Magicziggy
27th January 2012, 09:54 AM
I agree with night moves being final.
the only reason I changed is because I could.
that was not conducive to decisive thinking the first time around
the only reason I changed is because I could.
that was not conducive to decisive thinking the first time around
Cpt. Gender Injustice
27th January 2012, 09:55 AM
Same with Aden apologizing to UT. Clearly Aden was town and clearly he was sorry for lynching UT.. Made all the more clear by posting it in the pg. I'd like that kind of thing to stop.
two dead teammates giving condolences is exactly what the peanut gallery is for.
:colbert:
Aden wasn't dead
Yep.
With some people you can assume it's calculated and dismiss it as wifom no matter what their role. CGI falls into that group for me. With others, it's hard to say.
And it doesn't belong in a peanut gallery.
I'm leaning more and more toward not having a peanut gallery thread for my next game.
It's part of the game... let the game go on everywhere. It's not like some people are forbidden from playing in the PG, it's a level playing field. Just make sure there's no back and forth exchanges with zombies.
I remember during your long ratz game you were afraid to do some stuff at TR that would be seen by the others...
eta: it's not like people can't reply in the game thread to the posts in the PG. it's one of those rules that despite seeming just, doesn't make sense because it's unenforceable
two dead teammates giving condolences is exactly what the peanut gallery is for.
:colbert:
Aden wasn't dead
Yep.
With some people you can assume it's calculated and dismiss it as wifom no matter what their role. CGI falls into that group for me. With others, it's hard to say.
And it doesn't belong in a peanut gallery.
I'm leaning more and more toward not having a peanut gallery thread for my next game.
It's part of the game... let the game go on everywhere. It's not like some people are forbidden from playing in the PG, it's a level playing field. Just make sure there's no back and forth exchanges with zombies.
I remember during your long ratz game you were afraid to do some stuff at TR that would be seen by the others...
eta: it's not like people can't reply in the game thread to the posts in the PG. it's one of those rules that despite seeming just, doesn't make sense because it's unenforceable
Magicziggy
27th January 2012, 09:59 AM
Same with Aden apologizing to UT. Clearly Aden was town and clearly he was sorry for lynching UT.. Made all the more clear by posting it in the pg. I'd like that kind of thing to stop.
two dead teammates giving condolences is exactly what the peanut gallery is for.
:colbert:
Aden wasn't dead
Yep.
With some people you can assume it's calculated and dismiss it as wifom no matter what their role. CGI falls into that group for me. With others, it's hard to say.
And it doesn't belong in a peanut gallery.
I'm leaning more and more toward not having a peanut gallery thread for my next game.
It's part of the game... let the game go on everywhere. It's not like some people are forbidden from playing in the PG, it's a level playing field. Just make sure there's no back and forth exchanges with zombies.
I remember during your long ratz game you were afraid to do some stuff at TR that would be seen by the others...
disagree ... the rest of the forum/internet/world is where I am defintely not playing this game of mafia. there's a clear boundary for me
two dead teammates giving condolences is exactly what the peanut gallery is for.
:colbert:
Aden wasn't dead
Yep.
With some people you can assume it's calculated and dismiss it as wifom no matter what their role. CGI falls into that group for me. With others, it's hard to say.
And it doesn't belong in a peanut gallery.
I'm leaning more and more toward not having a peanut gallery thread for my next game.
It's part of the game... let the game go on everywhere. It's not like some people are forbidden from playing in the PG, it's a level playing field. Just make sure there's no back and forth exchanges with zombies.
I remember during your long ratz game you were afraid to do some stuff at TR that would be seen by the others...
disagree ... the rest of the forum/internet/world is where I am defintely not playing this game of mafia. there's a clear boundary for me
Cpt. Gender Injustice
27th January 2012, 10:03 AM
And yet I could have stopped the game at any point after raven's last warning but kept on so i wouldn't ruin your game. I would say that counts for something.
By that standard, all the players have done the right thing and your decision to not take that into your own hands isn't remarkable at all.
i was the only one who voted to stop the game. i really thought raven's mistake unbalanced it, and the moment she put up the poll i thought wow, this is bad. i know she's very rigid about these things so if she considered it an option i really thought it was worse than it looked and nobody would have minded to stop the game after we were explained how badly it had been ruined.
also playing on was agrreing to continue the toture for another few days. you can see how that might appear heroic to me. :D
By that standard, all the players have done the right thing and your decision to not take that into your own hands isn't remarkable at all.
i was the only one who voted to stop the game. i really thought raven's mistake unbalanced it, and the moment she put up the poll i thought wow, this is bad. i know she's very rigid about these things so if she considered it an option i really thought it was worse than it looked and nobody would have minded to stop the game after we were explained how badly it had been ruined.
also playing on was agrreing to continue the toture for another few days. you can see how that might appear heroic to me. :D
MSG
27th January 2012, 10:04 AM
just have a pg thread and tell people not to fuck around in it
and no night chat. I think it creates an unfair advantage to town
and no night chat. I think it creates an unfair advantage to town
Cpt. Gender Injustice
27th January 2012, 10:10 AM
CGI you lose a bit of support when you say stuff like this. All town was in the same boat, so it's not like you personally should hold the decision to keep the game going or not :unsure:
My opinion is, when there's a big GM mistake, everyone has to be convinced that the game has not been really affected to keep playing on. If even one person thinks he doesn't want to keep playing, it's his right at that point to end it.
People are often so bad on the edge that a GM mistake can send them over without hope of recovery, and that can ruin the game even more than the mistake and it would make playing on even worse an option.
My opinion is, when there's a big GM mistake, everyone has to be convinced that the game has not been really affected to keep playing on. If even one person thinks he doesn't want to keep playing, it's his right at that point to end it.
People are often so bad on the edge that a GM mistake can send them over without hope of recovery, and that can ruin the game even more than the mistake and it would make playing on even worse an option.
oblivion
27th January 2012, 10:16 AM
I started the poll because I thought that the error looked bad enough that the majority of players might want out. When I play a game, I usually want to play on even with gm mistakes, but there are always players who argue to end the game.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
27th January 2012, 10:19 AM
What I found annoying in the game was town players seriously considering I wasn't what I said I was. Of course, had diva done her thing then you'd have seen a nostrum meltdown of proportions you've never seen before.
But with this.. is that you can't believe what everyone says in good faith. There's always going to be questioning about it. In your case.. it is more unlikely to have a scum with a day kill, but it turns out that was a role anyway. Remember the game we played at ratz.. and DP was the scum flavour cop? Scum ended up winning because they didn't question DP's claim.
You guys need to stop role wifom and GM guessing. That's why i make my games crazy, nobody even tries to go there.
But with this.. is that you can't believe what everyone says in good faith. There's always going to be questioning about it. In your case.. it is more unlikely to have a scum with a day kill, but it turns out that was a role anyway. Remember the game we played at ratz.. and DP was the scum flavour cop? Scum ended up winning because they didn't question DP's claim.
You guys need to stop role wifom and GM guessing. That's why i make my games crazy, nobody even tries to go there.
Adenosine
27th January 2012, 10:19 AM
^^ this is so true
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Well it should be enough. If town is only made of people that want me to hold their hand and read them bedtime stories i see no point in giving a fuck about them. And yet I could have stopped the game at any point after raven's last warning but kept on so i wouldn't ruin your game. I would say that counts for something.
Thank you CGI for playing on despite everyone acting like they don't give a fuck about mafia and voting for stupid reasons like taking showers
apology accepted
:facepalm:
You aren't helping your weak assed cause. You could have subbed out if it was causing you that much pain.
If you are going to lead town.. town has to believe in you. It's not enough to be right.
Well it should be enough. If town is only made of people that want me to hold their hand and read them bedtime stories i see no point in giving a fuck about them. And yet I could have stopped the game at any point after raven's last warning but kept on so i wouldn't ruin your game. I would say that counts for something.
Thank you CGI for playing on despite everyone acting like they don't give a fuck about mafia and voting for stupid reasons like taking showers
apology accepted
:facepalm:
You aren't helping your weak assed cause. You could have subbed out if it was causing you that much pain.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
27th January 2012, 10:20 AM
I started the poll because I thought that the error looked bad enough that the majority of players might want out. When I play a game, I usually want to play on even with gm mistakes, but there are always players who argue to end the game.
like i said, i don't view this as a situation where you can decide by majority. everyone has to be onboard.
like i said, i don't view this as a situation where you can decide by majority. everyone has to be onboard.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
27th January 2012, 10:21 AM
You could have subbed out if it was causing you that much pain.
I hoped i could get you to stop causing me pain. I was wrong :noo:
I hoped i could get you to stop causing me pain. I was wrong :noo:
Cpt. Gender Injustice
27th January 2012, 10:23 AM
What I found annoying in the game was town players seriously considering I wasn't what I said I was. Of course, had diva done her thing then you'd have seen a nostrum meltdown of proportions you've never seen before.
But with this.. is that you can't believe what everyone says in good faith. There's always going to be questioning about it. In your case.. it is more unlikely to have a scum with a day kill, but it turns out that was a role anyway. Remember the game we played at ratz.. and DP was the scum flavour cop? Scum ended up winning because they didn't question DP's claim.
You guys need to stop role wifom and GM guessing. That's why i make my games crazy, nobody even tries to go there.
Regarding this point...
raven you should try announcing what specials are definitely in the game and what specials are possible. It is very liberating. People stop trying to get into your head.
unless you like the game being about you, in which case, you're getting really good at it
But with this.. is that you can't believe what everyone says in good faith. There's always going to be questioning about it. In your case.. it is more unlikely to have a scum with a day kill, but it turns out that was a role anyway. Remember the game we played at ratz.. and DP was the scum flavour cop? Scum ended up winning because they didn't question DP's claim.
You guys need to stop role wifom and GM guessing. That's why i make my games crazy, nobody even tries to go there.
Regarding this point...
raven you should try announcing what specials are definitely in the game and what specials are possible. It is very liberating. People stop trying to get into your head.
unless you like the game being about you, in which case, you're getting really good at it
Adenosine
27th January 2012, 10:25 AM
You could have subbed out if it was causing you that much pain.
I hoped i could get you to stop causing me pain. I was wrong :noo:
Good luck with that! :highfive:
I hoped i could get you to stop causing me pain. I was wrong :noo:
Good luck with that! :highfive:
gib
27th January 2012, 10:31 AM
i want UT to come back :(
Linus
27th January 2012, 10:50 AM
i want UT to come back
:nada:
:nada:
MSG
27th January 2012, 11:12 AM
i want UT to come back
:nada:
:nada:
:nada:
:nada:
divagreen
27th January 2012, 12:00 PM
Is he seriously not coming back?
Fuzzy
27th January 2012, 02:01 PM
Where did ut go?
Fuzzy
27th January 2012, 02:03 PM
Locking the pg thread was an option. I don't like punishing teams, I do like punishing cheating by locking the player out of the next few games.
Agree.
I considered locking the PG thread. I am considering not having a PG thread for my next game. But, I'd rather be able to trust players' integrity. mafia PG threads aren't something new. It's not like people don't understand the concept.
just allow night chat and make night moves final.
long nights are stupid with games this small, they should last 1-2 hours and nightfall should be at a time when everyone can be online.
not everyone has the same 2 hour window. That is not a practical suggestion.
12hour nights are reasonable imo
It doesn't take much discipline not to gameplay in the PG
My free time changes from day to day because, remarkably, I do things irl. Even if we could find a 2 hour window that worked, it would be a terrible idea.
Agree.
I considered locking the PG thread. I am considering not having a PG thread for my next game. But, I'd rather be able to trust players' integrity. mafia PG threads aren't something new. It's not like people don't understand the concept.
just allow night chat and make night moves final.
long nights are stupid with games this small, they should last 1-2 hours and nightfall should be at a time when everyone can be online.
not everyone has the same 2 hour window. That is not a practical suggestion.
12hour nights are reasonable imo
It doesn't take much discipline not to gameplay in the PG
My free time changes from day to day because, remarkably, I do things irl. Even if we could find a 2 hour window that worked, it would be a terrible idea.
charlou
27th January 2012, 03:35 PM
He will come back. I have tits. :tits: < see, there.
charlou
27th January 2012, 03:37 PM
CGI you lose a bit of support when you say stuff like this. All town was in the same boat, so it's not like you personally should hold the decision to keep the game going or not :unsure:
My opinion is, when there's a big GM mistake, everyone has to be convinced that the game has not been really affected to keep playing on. If even one person thinks he doesn't want to keep playing, it's his right at that point to end it.
No, that one person can sub out and leave the others to play on.
My opinion is, when there's a big GM mistake, everyone has to be convinced that the game has not been really affected to keep playing on. If even one person thinks he doesn't want to keep playing, it's his right at that point to end it.
No, that one person can sub out and leave the others to play on.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
27th January 2012, 04:38 PM
subbing after day 3 is retarded
charlou
27th January 2012, 04:43 PM
subbing after day 3 is subbing after day 3 ... no big wooptidoo.
Breaking a game for everyone is breaking a game for everyone.
Personally, I'd just roll with whatever .. it's more of a challenge .. life is interesting that way.
Breaking a game for everyone is breaking a game for everyone.
Personally, I'd just roll with whatever .. it's more of a challenge .. life is interesting that way.
charlou
27th January 2012, 04:43 PM
oh wait, that's what you did. kudos. :)
ericv00
27th January 2012, 07:09 PM
What I found annoying in the game was town players seriously considering I wasn't what I said I was. Of course, had diva done her thing then you'd have seen a nostrum meltdown of proportions you've never seen before.
But with this.. is that you can't believe what everyone says in good faith. There's always going to be questioning about it. In your case.. it is more unlikely to have a scum with a day kill, but it turns out that was a role anyway. Remember the game we played at ratz.. and DP was the scum flavour cop? Scum ended up winning because they didn't question DP's claim.
Oh, sure. I just mean that after that TR game it was such a hassle to have such a question mark over me, when occam's says that could I only be what I said I was.
Town needed to consider the special hunting (intentional or not) that ziggy did. That was anti-town and nostrum reacted exactly as I would expect a town to. In any case, there were certainly other scums out there that were better focuses than nostrum, even if nostrum had been scum. Same applies to CGI. Town got caught up in chasing after phantoms rather than productive endeavors. :dunno:
But with this.. is that you can't believe what everyone says in good faith. There's always going to be questioning about it. In your case.. it is more unlikely to have a scum with a day kill, but it turns out that was a role anyway. Remember the game we played at ratz.. and DP was the scum flavour cop? Scum ended up winning because they didn't question DP's claim.
Oh, sure. I just mean that after that TR game it was such a hassle to have such a question mark over me, when occam's says that could I only be what I said I was.
Town needed to consider the special hunting (intentional or not) that ziggy did. That was anti-town and nostrum reacted exactly as I would expect a town to. In any case, there were certainly other scums out there that were better focuses than nostrum, even if nostrum had been scum. Same applies to CGI. Town got caught up in chasing after phantoms rather than productive endeavors. :dunno:
ericv00
27th January 2012, 07:11 PM
long nights are stupid with games this small, they should last 1-2 hours and nightfall should be at a time when everyone can be online.
not everyone has the same 2 hour window. That is not a practical suggestion.
12hour nights are reasonable imo
It doesn't take much discipline not to gameplay in the PG
:nada:
not everyone has the same 2 hour window. That is not a practical suggestion.
12hour nights are reasonable imo
It doesn't take much discipline not to gameplay in the PG
:nada:
nostrum
27th January 2012, 08:13 PM
He will come back. I have tits. :tits: < see, there.
:nada:
Plus don't forget, fuzzy has floppy ones surrounded by black hair
I am hoping feck keeps playing :beg:
:nada:
Plus don't forget, fuzzy has floppy ones surrounded by black hair
I am hoping feck keeps playing :beg:
Mantisdreamz
27th January 2012, 10:08 PM
What I found annoying in the game was town players seriously considering I wasn't what I said I was. Of course, had diva done her thing then you'd have seen a nostrum meltdown of proportions you've never seen before.
But with this.. is that you can't believe what everyone says in good faith. There's always going to be questioning about it. In your case.. it is more unlikely to have a scum with a day kill, but it turns out that was a role anyway. Remember the game we played at ratz.. and DP was the scum flavour cop? Scum ended up winning because they didn't question DP's claim.
Oh, sure. I just mean that after that TR game it was such a hassle to have such a question mark over me, when occam's says that could I only be what I said I was.
Town needed to consider the special hunting (intentional or not) that ziggy did. That was anti-town and nostrum reacted exactly as I would expect a town to. In any case, there were certainly other scums out there that were better focuses than nostrum, even if nostrum had been scum. Same applies to CGI. Town got caught up in chasing after phantoms rather than productive endeavors. :dunno:
Yea but... say if it was Diva who got caught up with Zigmen in this game. And she used his shot on him. We'd have believed that she was town for a good portion of the game, at least. Basically, I think sometimes a bit of wifom or doubt is necessary..
But with this.. is that you can't believe what everyone says in good faith. There's always going to be questioning about it. In your case.. it is more unlikely to have a scum with a day kill, but it turns out that was a role anyway. Remember the game we played at ratz.. and DP was the scum flavour cop? Scum ended up winning because they didn't question DP's claim.
Oh, sure. I just mean that after that TR game it was such a hassle to have such a question mark over me, when occam's says that could I only be what I said I was.
Town needed to consider the special hunting (intentional or not) that ziggy did. That was anti-town and nostrum reacted exactly as I would expect a town to. In any case, there were certainly other scums out there that were better focuses than nostrum, even if nostrum had been scum. Same applies to CGI. Town got caught up in chasing after phantoms rather than productive endeavors. :dunno:
Yea but... say if it was Diva who got caught up with Zigmen in this game. And she used his shot on him. We'd have believed that she was town for a good portion of the game, at least. Basically, I think sometimes a bit of wifom or doubt is necessary..
ericv00
28th January 2012, 01:36 AM
Town needed to consider the special hunting (intentional or not) that ziggy did. That was anti-town and nostrum reacted exactly as I would expect a town to. In any case, there were certainly other scums out there that were better focuses than nostrum, even if nostrum had been scum. Same applies to CGI. Town got caught up in chasing after phantoms rather than productive endeavors. :dunno:
Yea but... say if it was Diva who got caught up with Zigmen in this game. And she used his shot on him. We'd have believed that she was town for a good portion of the game, at least. Basically, I think sometimes a bit of wifom or doubt is necessary..
I would have said the same thing. There are better targets to look for than to potentially be chasing phantoms with WIFOM.
Consider also that nostrum fell for the trap. A scum would be a bit more careful methinks. The whole thing smelled town.
Yea but... say if it was Diva who got caught up with Zigmen in this game. And she used his shot on him. We'd have believed that she was town for a good portion of the game, at least. Basically, I think sometimes a bit of wifom or doubt is necessary..
I would have said the same thing. There are better targets to look for than to potentially be chasing phantoms with WIFOM.
Consider also that nostrum fell for the trap. A scum would be a bit more careful methinks. The whole thing smelled town.
nostrum
28th January 2012, 01:50 AM
^ plus the real important bit: town specials NEVER SAW the vanilla town role PM wording. It's safe to say that scum did (ob is usually careful to do so)
ericv00
28th January 2012, 02:01 AM
^ plus the real important bit: town specials NEVER SAW the vanilla town role PM wording. It's safe to say that scum did (ob is usually careful to do so)
I did mention that earlier. But yeah. Exactly.
I did mention that earlier. But yeah. Exactly.
oblivion
28th January 2012, 02:18 AM
I was hoping that my role PMs this game would be a disincentive to usng role PM quizzing/hint-dropping for a few games. You never know when a GM is going to make going there a bad idea.
Mantisdreamz
28th January 2012, 09:35 AM
^ plus the real important bit: town specials NEVER SAW the vanilla town role PM wording. It's safe to say that scum did (ob is usually careful to do so)
I did mention that earlier. But yeah. Exactly.
hmm, i see the point now. Scum wouldn't have acted alarmed at Zigmen's 'trap'...
I did mention that earlier. But yeah. Exactly.
hmm, i see the point now. Scum wouldn't have acted alarmed at Zigmen's 'trap'...
Mantisdreamz
28th January 2012, 09:51 AM
I was hoping that my role PMs this game would be a disincentive to usng role PM quizzing/hint-dropping for a few games. You never know when a GM is going to make going there a bad idea.
That's true. All in all it isn't really mafia when it comes to wording of the PM's
That's true. All in all it isn't really mafia when it comes to wording of the PM's
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