MindRomperSuit Mafia - Day 4 page 1
oblivion
22nd January 2012, 01:01 AM
You find gib gunned down in the street, victim of a hail of high caliber bullets.
gib was the town seer.
You can elect a new mayor.
Nightfall is at 1 AM GMT Monday/8 PM US ET Sunday.
Among the Living:
2. adenosine
3. magicziggy
5. nostrum
6. Uselesstwit
8. Feck
11. CGI
13. Daphne Girl/Mantisdreamz
14. borealis
15. ericv00
16. Nightson
20. diva
Deceased:
18. Zigmen - town
9. Jerome - scum
19. Amok - town
17. Bolero - town
7. Gonzo - jester
1. elouise - town
12. Athene - town
10. Fuzzy FungI - town
4. gib - town
gib was the town seer.
You can elect a new mayor.
Nightfall is at 1 AM GMT Monday/8 PM US ET Sunday.
Among the Living:
2. adenosine
3. magicziggy
5. nostrum
6. Uselesstwit
8. Feck
11. CGI
13. Daphne Girl/Mantisdreamz
14. borealis
15. ericv00
16. Nightson
20. diva
Deceased:
18. Zigmen - town
9. Jerome - scum
19. Amok - town
17. Bolero - town
7. Gonzo - jester
1. elouise - town
12. Athene - town
10. Fuzzy FungI - town
4. gib - town
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 01:21 AM
Typo on the day number Raven just FYI.
Having MZ pass on his nightkill was a bad, bad decision by town. It's the same seductive logic it always is "Well what if we're wrong..." but it's a trap. Both lynches and vig kills weed out the people who looks suspicious, and if the kills have no chance of hitting scum then the problem is with the scum hunting not the killing.
Passing up killing doesn't mean less people die, it just means scum control a greater portion of the deaths.
Having MZ pass on his nightkill was a bad, bad decision by town. It's the same seductive logic it always is "Well what if we're wrong..." but it's a trap. Both lynches and vig kills weed out the people who looks suspicious, and if the kills have no chance of hitting scum then the problem is with the scum hunting not the killing.
Passing up killing doesn't mean less people die, it just means scum control a greater portion of the deaths.
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 01:22 AM
Uselesstwit
Same reasons as yesterday.
Same reasons as yesterday.
borealis
22nd January 2012, 01:27 AM
I think you're right, Nightson.
Who do we trust for mayor?
I still think nostrum is pretty well cleared.
nostrum
Who do we trust for mayor?
I still think nostrum is pretty well cleared.
nostrum
Uselesstwit
22nd January 2012, 01:32 AM
yeah, nightson and it has no more logic than the lynch bw on me had last night. I still think eric and feck need to participate more of they would be nice solid lynches. we also need to go back thru gibs posts and find out his views if he left breadcrumbs.
Uselesstwit
22nd January 2012, 01:42 AM
oookkkkaaayyy, if gib did hint at his views he buried them nice and deep, at least i'm not seeing them.
Magicziggy
22nd January 2012, 01:43 AM
Typo on the day number Raven just FYI.
Having MZ pass on his nightkill was a bad, bad decision by town. It's the same seductive logic it always is "Well what if we're wrong..." but it's a trap. Both lynches and vig kills weed out the people who looks suspicious, and if the kills have no chance of hitting scum then the problem is with the scum hunting not the killing.
Passing up killing doesn't mean less people die, it just means scum control a greater portion of the deaths.
It was consensus.
Having MZ pass on his nightkill was a bad, bad decision by town. It's the same seductive logic it always is "Well what if we're wrong..." but it's a trap. Both lynches and vig kills weed out the people who looks suspicious, and if the kills have no chance of hitting scum then the problem is with the scum hunting not the killing.
Passing up killing doesn't mean less people die, it just means scum control a greater portion of the deaths.
It was consensus.
Magicziggy
22nd January 2012, 01:45 AM
eric
It's Sunday.. I can't spend too much time on this till later.
nostrum
It's Sunday.. I can't spend too much time on this till later.
nostrum
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 01:48 AM
I think he cleared CGI early. He was adamant that he was town.
borealis
22nd January 2012, 01:50 AM
Typo on the day number Raven just FYI.
Having MZ pass on his nightkill was a bad, bad decision by town. It's the same seductive logic it always is "Well what if we're wrong..." but it's a trap. Both lynches and vig kills weed out the people who looks suspicious, and if the kills have no chance of hitting scum then the problem is with the scum hunting not the killing.
Passing up killing doesn't mean less people die, it just means scum control a greater portion of the deaths.
It was consensus.
Sort of.
But it's D4, you have lots more info to work with now. If town can't decide definitely on a vig kill, you should make your own best guess.
Having MZ pass on his nightkill was a bad, bad decision by town. It's the same seductive logic it always is "Well what if we're wrong..." but it's a trap. Both lynches and vig kills weed out the people who looks suspicious, and if the kills have no chance of hitting scum then the problem is with the scum hunting not the killing.
Passing up killing doesn't mean less people die, it just means scum control a greater portion of the deaths.
It was consensus.
Sort of.
But it's D4, you have lots more info to work with now. If town can't decide definitely on a vig kill, you should make your own best guess.
borealis
22nd January 2012, 01:51 AM
I think he cleared CGI early. He was adamant that he was town.
He'd have had two views, night 1 and night 2.
Can you find where he vetted CGI?
He'd have had two views, night 1 and night 2.
Can you find where he vetted CGI?
Uselesstwit
22nd January 2012, 01:55 AM
i can kind of see cgi, i'm wondering if he wasn't so peeved with mz because he lost a view due to a nk.
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 02:02 AM
It was consensus.
Not blaming you in the least, it was just a bad consensus.
Not blaming you in the least, it was just a bad consensus.
borealis
22nd January 2012, 02:04 AM
i can kind of see cgi, i'm wondering if he wasn't so peeved with mz because he lost a view due to a nk.
Possible.
Possible.
borealis
22nd January 2012, 02:07 AM
Btw, this post:
I think you're right, Nightson.
Who do we trust for mayor?
I still think nostrum is pretty well cleared.
nostrum
was in answer to this post, not the UT lynch vote.
Typo on the day number Raven just FYI.
Having MZ pass on his nightkill was a bad, bad decision by town. It's the same seductive logic it always is "Well what if we're wrong..." but it's a trap. Both lynches and vig kills weed out the people who looks suspicious, and if the kills have no chance of hitting scum then the problem is with the scum hunting not the killing.
Passing up killing doesn't mean less people die, it just means scum control a greater portion of the deaths.
I think you're right, Nightson.
Who do we trust for mayor?
I still think nostrum is pretty well cleared.
nostrum
was in answer to this post, not the UT lynch vote.
Typo on the day number Raven just FYI.
Having MZ pass on his nightkill was a bad, bad decision by town. It's the same seductive logic it always is "Well what if we're wrong..." but it's a trap. Both lynches and vig kills weed out the people who looks suspicious, and if the kills have no chance of hitting scum then the problem is with the scum hunting not the killing.
Passing up killing doesn't mean less people die, it just means scum control a greater portion of the deaths.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 03:07 AM
I think he cleared CGI early. He was adamant that he was town.
Agreed.
In Reply to your post #5121
uhm, well you are just going to have to lower yourself and explain that bottom line cos I am not getting it.
i'm about 90% sure CGI is town, how often am i wrong when i have a strong town read on someone? Among other things he's way more involved than at TR, i totally see that as someone wanting a less retarded mafia environment as opposed to him trying to be a scum superstar when none of his TR buddies are even watching
I would say he cleared you too:
In Reply to your post #5149
uhm, well you are just going to have to lower yourself and explain that bottom line cos I am not getting it.
i'm about 90% sure CGI is town, how often am i wrong when i have a strong town read on someone? Among other things he's way more involved than at TR, i totally see that as someone wanting a less retarded mafia environment as opposed to him trying to be a scum superstar when none of his TR buddies are even watching
wtf are you even talking about, I was talking about Adenosine, you know, the person whom I voted for.
I am not in a hurry to lynch CGI, I already said that I am leaning town on him. Are you even reading this fucking thread?
i'm 90% on Ade too fwiw
Agreed.
In Reply to your post #5121
uhm, well you are just going to have to lower yourself and explain that bottom line cos I am not getting it.
i'm about 90% sure CGI is town, how often am i wrong when i have a strong town read on someone? Among other things he's way more involved than at TR, i totally see that as someone wanting a less retarded mafia environment as opposed to him trying to be a scum superstar when none of his TR buddies are even watching
I would say he cleared you too:
In Reply to your post #5149
uhm, well you are just going to have to lower yourself and explain that bottom line cos I am not getting it.
i'm about 90% sure CGI is town, how often am i wrong when i have a strong town read on someone? Among other things he's way more involved than at TR, i totally see that as someone wanting a less retarded mafia environment as opposed to him trying to be a scum superstar when none of his TR buddies are even watching
wtf are you even talking about, I was talking about Adenosine, you know, the person whom I voted for.
I am not in a hurry to lynch CGI, I already said that I am leaning town on him. Are you even reading this fucking thread?
i'm 90% on Ade too fwiw
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 03:09 AM
I want either CGI or Adenosine for mayor, I would just like to know which one will be around at nightfall.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 03:13 AM
It was consensus.
Not blaming you in the least, it was just a bad consensus.
I disagree and I don't think MZ should get flak for it.
Not blaming you in the least, it was just a bad consensus.
I disagree and I don't think MZ should get flak for it.
nostrum
22nd January 2012, 03:28 AM
Thanks diva for digging that up. I think you're right, he got two town reads.
UT
Scum are leaving me alive for WIFOM purposes (again) but perhaps after yesterday they won't be so obvious about it. I'm talking about UT and mantis specifically. And IIRC borealis.
Agreed on not me for mayor. I've been distracted this game. I still think my read on feck is solid and I don't care if MZ is a SK or a vig we need him.
With a voting bloc of CGI, ade, me and MZ we can ensure a lynch is pushed through by town and not scum, at least.
CGI
UT
Scum are leaving me alive for WIFOM purposes (again) but perhaps after yesterday they won't be so obvious about it. I'm talking about UT and mantis specifically. And IIRC borealis.
Agreed on not me for mayor. I've been distracted this game. I still think my read on feck is solid and I don't care if MZ is a SK or a vig we need him.
With a voting bloc of CGI, ade, me and MZ we can ensure a lynch is pushed through by town and not scum, at least.
CGI
Uselesstwit
22nd January 2012, 03:52 AM
great idea nos except you're pushing for a town lynch atm. something is very wrong with you this game. i don't think you've ever voted to lynch me when i was town before except when you're scum. you usually read me very well.
nostrum
22nd January 2012, 03:55 AM
UT yesterday all you wanted to say was that you were worried about me (and a followy 'yeah' after mantis' post.) I know how good you are and there is no way you could think I was anything but a one-shot vig. So you tell me why you were worried.
And while you're at it, tell me who the scum are in your opinion.
And while you're at it, tell me who the scum are in your opinion.
Uselesstwit
22nd January 2012, 04:09 AM
I was and am worried about you because you're not really scum hunting. I mean look at the votes we've had, tons of late switches that you have yet to analyze. Also you have to admit that town having 1.5 vigs sounds very unfair to scum so i'm not buying it. either you or mz are lying. also you killed zigmen for pure revenge and that was very kneejerk of you, which is also not something i associate with your normal play. so yes i'm worried about you and i think i have reason to be.
as for my scum list, it's going to have to wait until tomorrow when i have time to analyze yesterdays votes. we had two solid bw with feck and eric in my opinion so i want to look at how fuzzy got lynched.
as for my scum list, it's going to have to wait until tomorrow when i have time to analyze yesterdays votes. we had two solid bw with feck and eric in my opinion so i want to look at how fuzzy got lynched.
borealis
22nd January 2012, 04:09 AM
nostrum
CGI
CGI
nostrum
22nd January 2012, 04:18 AM
I was and am worried about you because you're not really scum hunting. I mean look at the votes we've had, tons of late switches that you have yet to analyze. Also you have to admit that town having 1.5 vigs sounds very unfair to scum so i'm not buying it. either you or mz are lying. also you killed zigmen for pure revenge and that was very kneejerk of you, which is also not something i associate with your normal play. so yes i'm worried about you and i think i have reason to be.
as for my scum list, it's going to have to wait until tomorrow when i have time to analyze yesterdays votes. we had two solid bw with feck and eric in my opinion so i want to look at how fuzzy got lynched.
It is total BS that I killed zigmen for pure revenge and you know it (in fact you even saying that is almost a confession to me that you are scum.) I took on board comments from people (e.g. CGI and gib who both think I did the right thing, firstly by using my one-shot vig kill and by taking out zigmen... note that both those players are town.)
As I said, if you were town there would be no way you wouldn't accept that I am a one-shot vig (I notice not one person could say of a role they actually knew of that could be scum with a day kill.) So any reasonable doubt is placed on MZ and NOT me. As I said the only person who could and should wonder about me is MZ if he actually is a vig. I wonder about him, but I'm not worried about him. If he's a SK town needs him.
I'm very happy with my vote on you.
as for my scum list, it's going to have to wait until tomorrow when i have time to analyze yesterdays votes. we had two solid bw with feck and eric in my opinion so i want to look at how fuzzy got lynched.
It is total BS that I killed zigmen for pure revenge and you know it (in fact you even saying that is almost a confession to me that you are scum.) I took on board comments from people (e.g. CGI and gib who both think I did the right thing, firstly by using my one-shot vig kill and by taking out zigmen... note that both those players are town.)
As I said, if you were town there would be no way you wouldn't accept that I am a one-shot vig (I notice not one person could say of a role they actually knew of that could be scum with a day kill.) So any reasonable doubt is placed on MZ and NOT me. As I said the only person who could and should wonder about me is MZ if he actually is a vig. I wonder about him, but I'm not worried about him. If he's a SK town needs him.
I'm very happy with my vote on you.
nostrum
22nd January 2012, 04:23 AM
I was hoping that zigmen had done a scum ploy to flush out town specials. I was wrong, he just played badly.
I was forced to either use my vig kill on the day it was obvious to scum that I was not VT, which thanks to zigmen was day 1. I absolutely did not want to take out someone else who was town (and possibly a special) so, on balance and with the advice that I really must use my kill, I went with zigmen. You know all this, of course. The only other advice that was offered (by you, in fact) was to take out someone not wanted around at endgame - something that I'm extremely uncomfortable with, because I find that kind of judgement to be about how good a player is, and I'm not one to kill someone because they are considered a weak player.
I was forced to either use my vig kill on the day it was obvious to scum that I was not VT, which thanks to zigmen was day 1. I absolutely did not want to take out someone else who was town (and possibly a special) so, on balance and with the advice that I really must use my kill, I went with zigmen. You know all this, of course. The only other advice that was offered (by you, in fact) was to take out someone not wanted around at endgame - something that I'm extremely uncomfortable with, because I find that kind of judgement to be about how good a player is, and I'm not one to kill someone because they are considered a weak player.
borealis
22nd January 2012, 04:38 AM
I was and am worried about you because you're not really scum hunting. I mean look at the votes we've had, tons of late switches that you have yet to analyze. Also you have to admit that town having 1.5 vigs sounds very unfair to scum so i'm not buying it. either you or mz are lying. also you killed zigmen for pure revenge and that was very kneejerk of you, which is also not something i associate with your normal play. so yes i'm worried about you and i think i have reason to be.
as for my scum list, it's going to have to wait until tomorrow when i have time to analyze yesterdays votes. we had two solid bw with feck and eric in my opinion so i want to look at how fuzzy got lynched.
Keep in mind it may not be vig plus 1 day kill, but SK plus 1 day kill. I'm not saying at all that MZ isn't working with town and a serious asset, but we only have his word that he's a vig.
as for my scum list, it's going to have to wait until tomorrow when i have time to analyze yesterdays votes. we had two solid bw with feck and eric in my opinion so i want to look at how fuzzy got lynched.
Keep in mind it may not be vig plus 1 day kill, but SK plus 1 day kill. I'm not saying at all that MZ isn't working with town and a serious asset, but we only have his word that he's a vig.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 04:47 AM
I would like to hear more from Eric.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 04:48 AM
UT, you are wrong, Nostrum's kill did not look like revenge at all.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 04:48 AM
CGI
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 04:53 AM
CGI
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 05:00 AM
I would like to hear more from Eric.
More than just a vote. :)
More than just a vote. :)
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 05:08 AM
I look scummy. And I know it. I got frustrated with town and have been too busy with other things. I'm supposed to be asleep right now.
The two people I'm most worried about is UT and Feck. Gib has not been too happy with UT this game and I know there was a time yesterday that UT and MZ had a vote on me. I consider MZ mostly 'cleared', as in not scum. I would also expect a scum to have a vote on me, considering I am not a difficult one to lynch this game. So I have to vote:
UT
The two people I'm most worried about is UT and Feck. Gib has not been too happy with UT this game and I know there was a time yesterday that UT and MZ had a vote on me. I consider MZ mostly 'cleared', as in not scum. I would also expect a scum to have a vote on me, considering I am not a difficult one to lynch this game. So I have to vote:
UT
Magicziggy
22nd January 2012, 05:34 AM
I have to believe someone.. I go with nostrum.. You have to believe me when I say i am the town not sk.. as sk no way would I have outed when I did.
If UT is town then I kill nostrum.. However.. I think it may be getting too late..
vote cgi
vote UT
If UT is town then I kill nostrum.. However.. I think it may be getting too late..
vote cgi
vote UT
Cpt. Gender Injustice
22nd January 2012, 05:37 AM
nostrum is indy at worst, we need the numbers.
i am on a trip today, i'll post more in about 8 hours
i am on a trip today, i'll post more in about 8 hours
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 05:39 AM
nostrum is indy at worst
:nada:
:nada:
borealis
22nd January 2012, 05:42 AM
It's 1:40 am here and I have to play music in the morning.
Later guys.
Later guys.
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 05:50 AM
Put mantis on my scummy list.
Reading yesterday. Mantis seems to have been seeding distrust of the more trusted players.
Reading yesterday. Mantis seems to have been seeding distrust of the more trusted players.
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 07:28 AM
Anyone interested in a Feckwagon?
Magicziggy
22nd January 2012, 07:49 AM
I just want to follow nostrum right now.. If she's scum then the weird scum role will have done us.. Her deck reads are normally ok.
Feck
22nd January 2012, 08:53 AM
@@vote CGI@@
and UT is back to trying to lynch me ..that normally happens earlier in the game . i wonder why it's late .
Nos is town .
and UT is back to trying to lynch me ..that normally happens earlier in the game . i wonder why it's late .
Nos is town .
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 09:00 AM
@@vote CGI@@
and UT is back to trying to lynch me ..that normally happens earlier in the game . i wonder why it's late .
Nos is town .
Come again?
and UT is back to trying to lynch me ..that normally happens earlier in the game . i wonder why it's late .
Nos is town .
Come again?
Mantisdreamz
22nd January 2012, 09:01 AM
Put mantis on my scummy list.
Reading yesterday. Mantis seems to have been seeding distrust of the more trusted players.
It was just CGI that i was wondering about. I've never seen his scum game, but i can imagine it to be very good, being that he's a seasoned player.
note to diva - you know how jasona kind of tutored us in some mafia stuff. One of the games he gm'd, teeth was scum. I told him that I noticed teeth seemed to be more friendly. He said anytime you see a change for the better, make sure to take note. Thinker (CGI), is usually very brief in his play. This game has been totally different.. and for the better. So ya, it occurred to me that he might be scum.
However, it does look like he's been cleared by gib.......
If feck's not scum, and eric isn't. I'm at a loss. And some of their posts looked pretty townish last night.
Reading yesterday. Mantis seems to have been seeding distrust of the more trusted players.
It was just CGI that i was wondering about. I've never seen his scum game, but i can imagine it to be very good, being that he's a seasoned player.
note to diva - you know how jasona kind of tutored us in some mafia stuff. One of the games he gm'd, teeth was scum. I told him that I noticed teeth seemed to be more friendly. He said anytime you see a change for the better, make sure to take note. Thinker (CGI), is usually very brief in his play. This game has been totally different.. and for the better. So ya, it occurred to me that he might be scum.
However, it does look like he's been cleared by gib.......
If feck's not scum, and eric isn't. I'm at a loss. And some of their posts looked pretty townish last night.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 09:17 AM
Anyone interested in a Feckwagon?
Yes.
Feck
Yes.
Feck
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 09:33 AM
Put mantis on my scummy list.
Reading yesterday. Mantis seems to have been seeding distrust of the more trusted players.
It was just CGI that i was wondering about. I've never seen his scum game, but i can imagine it to be very good, being that he's a seasoned player.
note to diva - you know how jasona kind of tutored us in some mafia stuff. One of the games he gm'd, teeth was scum. I told him that I noticed teeth seemed to be more friendly. He said anytime you see a change for the better, make sure to take note. Thinker (CGI), is usually very brief in his play. This game has been totally different.. and for the better. So ya, it occurred to me that he might be scum.
However, it does look like he's been cleared by gib.......
If feck's not scum, and eric isn't. I'm at a loss. And some of their posts looked pretty townish last night.
The thing that is standing out to me is that I have never ever ever seen him so active and engaged. Ever. Most of the time I don't even know that he is playing except in the EQ2 game where he wanted me vig killed on d2 and then way later in the game he and I started to kind of see eye to eye. I suppose we cannot rule out that he might be the don, if he is then his scum is very very good.
Mantis, truthfully I go back forth with you. There are times when I really think that you are town and there other times when I am :unsure:. This is one of those times cos Eric has a point in that you are sowing distrust.
Reading yesterday. Mantis seems to have been seeding distrust of the more trusted players.
It was just CGI that i was wondering about. I've never seen his scum game, but i can imagine it to be very good, being that he's a seasoned player.
note to diva - you know how jasona kind of tutored us in some mafia stuff. One of the games he gm'd, teeth was scum. I told him that I noticed teeth seemed to be more friendly. He said anytime you see a change for the better, make sure to take note. Thinker (CGI), is usually very brief in his play. This game has been totally different.. and for the better. So ya, it occurred to me that he might be scum.
However, it does look like he's been cleared by gib.......
If feck's not scum, and eric isn't. I'm at a loss. And some of their posts looked pretty townish last night.
The thing that is standing out to me is that I have never ever ever seen him so active and engaged. Ever. Most of the time I don't even know that he is playing except in the EQ2 game where he wanted me vig killed on d2 and then way later in the game he and I started to kind of see eye to eye. I suppose we cannot rule out that he might be the don, if he is then his scum is very very good.
Mantis, truthfully I go back forth with you. There are times when I really think that you are town and there other times when I am :unsure:. This is one of those times cos Eric has a point in that you are sowing distrust.
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 10:08 AM
I'm okay with Feck being the vig kill or tomorrows lynch. I've been a bit worried at how much support there seems to be for a Feck wagon, but then again that support hasn't translated to actually being lynched.
I'm thinking that game balance wise, if MZ is the vig, then scum probably have a don or a roleblocker. If SK then I could see all vanilla.
Nostrum Despite not really being on the same wavelength this game, I think you're more cleared then CGI and I just don't want to even risk potentially tossing the mayorship to scum at this point.
I'm ranking my lynch preferences and cringing some numbers, but it's going to wait for tomorrow when I'm not on my phone.
I'm thinking that game balance wise, if MZ is the vig, then scum probably have a don or a roleblocker. If SK then I could see all vanilla.
Nostrum Despite not really being on the same wavelength this game, I think you're more cleared then CGI and I just don't want to even risk potentially tossing the mayorship to scum at this point.
I'm ranking my lynch preferences and cringing some numbers, but it's going to wait for tomorrow when I'm not on my phone.
Mantisdreamz
22nd January 2012, 10:09 AM
Mantis, truthfully I go back forth with you. There are times when I really think that you are town and there other times when I am :unsure:. This is one of those times cos Eric has a point in that you are sowing distrust.
I'm not purposely trying to sow distrust.. i'm actually just kind of paranoid this game. I brought up the nostrum/mz thing, just saying that them being indy shouldn't be kept out of mind (not in the forefront, but on the back burner). And then later last night reading the thread and getting suspicious of CGI.
I did a reread of day 2 and 3... and at least a few times, CGI has mentioned how towny he is. He mentioned that his vote on Jerome is a clearer for him. He also mentioned that he told Fuzzy on tr to come post here, 'which is a pretty towny thing to do'.
I've never seen him say that kind of stuff.
I'm going to go with Fuzzy's distrust of him.
CGI
Question diva - what do you think of eric?
I'm not purposely trying to sow distrust.. i'm actually just kind of paranoid this game. I brought up the nostrum/mz thing, just saying that them being indy shouldn't be kept out of mind (not in the forefront, but on the back burner). And then later last night reading the thread and getting suspicious of CGI.
I did a reread of day 2 and 3... and at least a few times, CGI has mentioned how towny he is. He mentioned that his vote on Jerome is a clearer for him. He also mentioned that he told Fuzzy on tr to come post here, 'which is a pretty towny thing to do'.
I've never seen him say that kind of stuff.
I'm going to go with Fuzzy's distrust of him.
CGI
Question diva - what do you think of eric?
Mantisdreamz
22nd January 2012, 10:16 AM
Typo on the day number Raven just FYI.
Having MZ pass on his nightkill was a bad, bad decision by town. It's the same seductive logic it always is "Well what if we're wrong..." but it's a trap. Both lynches and vig kills weed out the people who looks suspicious, and if the kills have no chance of hitting scum then the problem is with the scum hunting not the killing.
Passing up killing doesn't mean less people die, it just means scum control a greater portion of the deaths.
Don't think the skipped nk is a bad thing. If there's not a lot of info... waiting a day to get more isn't as bad as taking a wild shot and getting a town.
Having MZ pass on his nightkill was a bad, bad decision by town. It's the same seductive logic it always is "Well what if we're wrong..." but it's a trap. Both lynches and vig kills weed out the people who looks suspicious, and if the kills have no chance of hitting scum then the problem is with the scum hunting not the killing.
Passing up killing doesn't mean less people die, it just means scum control a greater portion of the deaths.
Don't think the skipped nk is a bad thing. If there's not a lot of info... waiting a day to get more isn't as bad as taking a wild shot and getting a town.
Magicziggy
22nd January 2012, 10:19 AM
I didn;t want to hit the seer. I wont care about hitting any other role now.
Scum better kill me. I'm likely to hit one this time.. and I'm not listening to anybody but myself.
Scum better kill me. I'm likely to hit one this time.. and I'm not listening to anybody but myself.
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 10:30 AM
And skipping a kill is much, much worse then killing a scum. The reasoning for not killing comes up again and again and it always works on the idea that town will be killed and this simply isn't the case. A random choice would still give a non zero chance to kill scum, the quality of scum hunting or clearing people increases the chance. Since town kills are the only way to eliminate scum they need to be as numerous as possible. Like I said, skipping town kills doesn't lead to less people dead in the end, it just changes the proportion of scum to town kills.
Essentially you have the choice between say eight kills with X% chance to kill scum and four with 0% or six kills with X% chance and six with 0%
Now sometimes that X% just isn't high enough to win the game, but that isn't a problem with the amount of killing, just the problem of not scum hunting well enough.
Essentially you have the choice between say eight kills with X% chance to kill scum and four with 0% or six kills with X% chance and six with 0%
Now sometimes that X% just isn't high enough to win the game, but that isn't a problem with the amount of killing, just the problem of not scum hunting well enough.
Magicziggy
22nd January 2012, 10:34 AM
I was worried about hitting the seer.. I'm not now.
In my book ... no one is fully cleared and I will make a reasoned choice to kill someone.
mass claim might help ... i don;t know if it's worth it
In my book ... no one is fully cleared and I will make a reasoned choice to kill someone.
mass claim might help ... i don;t know if it's worth it
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 10:40 AM
Mantis, truthfully I go back forth with you. There are times when I really think that you are town and there other times when I am :unsure:. This is one of those times cos Eric has a point in that you are sowing distrust.
I'm not purposely trying to sow distrust.. i'm actually just kind of paranoid this game. I brought up the nostrum/mz thing, just saying that them being indy shouldn't be kept out of mind (not in the forefront, but on the back burner). And then later last night reading the thread and getting suspicious of CGI.
I did a reread of day 2 and 3... and at least a few times, CGI has mentioned how towny he is. He mentioned that his vote on Jerome is a clearer for him. He also mentioned that he told Fuzzy on tr to come post here, 'which is a pretty towny thing to do'.
I've never seen him say that kind of stuff.
I'm going to go with Fuzzy's distrust of him.
CGI
Question diva - what do you think of eric?
He has not endeared me to him by following my mayor vote nor the mud he is flinging your way but something gib said yesterday about him not letting his scum buddies down sort of rings true. I have seen him as scum and he is a good player and not this terrible.
I'm not purposely trying to sow distrust.. i'm actually just kind of paranoid this game. I brought up the nostrum/mz thing, just saying that them being indy shouldn't be kept out of mind (not in the forefront, but on the back burner). And then later last night reading the thread and getting suspicious of CGI.
I did a reread of day 2 and 3... and at least a few times, CGI has mentioned how towny he is. He mentioned that his vote on Jerome is a clearer for him. He also mentioned that he told Fuzzy on tr to come post here, 'which is a pretty towny thing to do'.
I've never seen him say that kind of stuff.
I'm going to go with Fuzzy's distrust of him.
CGI
Question diva - what do you think of eric?
He has not endeared me to him by following my mayor vote nor the mud he is flinging your way but something gib said yesterday about him not letting his scum buddies down sort of rings true. I have seen him as scum and he is a good player and not this terrible.
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 10:42 AM
I'm okay with Feck being the vig kill or tomorrows lynch. I've been a bit worried at how much support there seems to be for a Feck wagon, but then again that support hasn't translated to actually being lynched.
I'm thinking that game balance wise, if MZ is the vig, then scum probably have a don or a roleblocker. If SK then I could see all vanilla.
Nostrum Despite not really being on the same wavelength this game, I think you're more cleared then CGI and I just don't want to even risk potentially tossing the mayorship to scum at this point.
I'm ranking my lynch preferences and cringing some numbers, but it's going to wait for tomorrow when I'm not on my phone.
Who do you think gib viewed?
Same question to Mantis.
CGI
I'm thinking that game balance wise, if MZ is the vig, then scum probably have a don or a roleblocker. If SK then I could see all vanilla.
Nostrum Despite not really being on the same wavelength this game, I think you're more cleared then CGI and I just don't want to even risk potentially tossing the mayorship to scum at this point.
I'm ranking my lynch preferences and cringing some numbers, but it's going to wait for tomorrow when I'm not on my phone.
Who do you think gib viewed?
Same question to Mantis.
CGI
Magicziggy
22nd January 2012, 10:44 AM
gib must have viewed CGI and athene I think
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 10:45 AM
MZ.
Magicziggy
22nd January 2012, 10:47 AM
yes
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 10:48 AM
Guapo's Law.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 10:49 AM
eta: I know what you mean about CGI, I said this yesterday (you were right in the midst of triangulating with Gib and CGI) that he keeps saying he is town and giving reasons that don't necessarily clear him. But i am not sure I am willing to go down the wifom wormhole on him just yet.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 10:50 AM
And skipping a kill is much, much worse then killing a scum. The reasoning for not killing comes up again and again and it always works on the idea that town will be killed and this simply isn't the case. A random choice would still give a non zero chance to kill scum, the quality of scum hunting or clearing people increases the chance. Since town kills are the only way to eliminate scum they need to be as numerous as possible. Like I said, skipping town kills doesn't lead to less people dead in the end, it just changes the proportion of scum to town kills.
Essentially you have the choice between say eight kills with X% chance to kill scum and four with 0% or six kills with X% chance and six with 0%
Now sometimes that X% just isn't high enough to win the game, but that isn't a problem with the amount of killing, just the problem of not scum hunting well enough.
Wait, what? How is killing scum a bad thing?
Essentially you have the choice between say eight kills with X% chance to kill scum and four with 0% or six kills with X% chance and six with 0%
Now sometimes that X% just isn't high enough to win the game, but that isn't a problem with the amount of killing, just the problem of not scum hunting well enough.
Wait, what? How is killing scum a bad thing?
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 10:53 AM
I was thinking about CGI and thinking about gib not deviating from a town read on him. It took a while but the penny dropped and then I did try to triangulate. To me the only reason gib would have been that adamant is that he viewed CGI. As far as I'm concerned CGI is cleared. Now I want a third to triangulate with.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 10:54 AM
And skipping a kill is much, much worse then killing a scum. The reasoning for not killing comes up again and again and it always works on the idea that town will be killed and this simply isn't the case. A random choice would still give a non zero chance to kill scum, the quality of scum hunting or clearing people increases the chance. Since town kills are the only way to eliminate scum they need to be as numerous as possible. Like I said, skipping town kills doesn't lead to less people dead in the end, it just changes the proportion of scum to town kills.
Essentially you have the choice between say eight kills with X% chance to kill scum and four with 0% or six kills with X% chance and six with 0%
Now sometimes that X% just isn't high enough to win the game, but that isn't a problem with the amount of killing, just the problem of not scum hunting well enough.
Wait, what? How is killing scum a bad thing?
eta: also where was this reasoning in the GitS game when I fucking begged everyone not to kill the SK cos I could recruit him? You sat on the sidelines with that and let him get lynched giving Ob no vig counterclaim and town no doc. So why the change of tune?
Essentially you have the choice between say eight kills with X% chance to kill scum and four with 0% or six kills with X% chance and six with 0%
Now sometimes that X% just isn't high enough to win the game, but that isn't a problem with the amount of killing, just the problem of not scum hunting well enough.
Wait, what? How is killing scum a bad thing?
eta: also where was this reasoning in the GitS game when I fucking begged everyone not to kill the SK cos I could recruit him? You sat on the sidelines with that and let him get lynched giving Ob no vig counterclaim and town no doc. So why the change of tune?
nostrum
22nd January 2012, 11:02 AM
MZ excellent decision to do your own thing. Scum need to fear you. Taking advice in thread on who to kill is getting silly as the % of scum keeps rising.
Mantisdreamz
22nd January 2012, 11:05 AM
eta: I know what you mean about CGI, I said this yesterday (you were right in the midst of triangulating with Gib and CGI) that he keeps saying he is town and giving reasons that don't necessarily clear him. But i am not sure I am willing to go down the wifom wormhole on him just yet.
Well then who else? I read what you said about eric, and I'm finding the same thing. I've voted him and then ended up unvoting him several days. He keeps looking town.
Why not look into CGI? If Feck is lynched and is town, he should be looked at more closely at least.
Well then who else? I read what you said about eric, and I'm finding the same thing. I've voted him and then ended up unvoting him several days. He keeps looking town.
Why not look into CGI? If Feck is lynched and is town, he should be looked at more closely at least.
Feck
22nd January 2012, 11:07 AM
Gib cleared CGI and Athene as far as I see it .
Mantisdreamz
22nd January 2012, 11:08 AM
And skipping a kill is much, much worse then killing a scum. The reasoning for not killing comes up again and again and it always works on the idea that town will be killed and this simply isn't the case. A random choice would still give a non zero chance to kill scum, the quality of scum hunting or clearing people increases the chance. Since town kills are the only way to eliminate scum they need to be as numerous as possible. Like I said, skipping town kills doesn't lead to less people dead in the end, it just changes the proportion of scum to town kills.
Essentially you have the choice between say eight kills with X% chance to kill scum and four with 0% or six kills with X% chance and six with 0%
Now sometimes that X% just isn't high enough to win the game, but that isn't a problem with the amount of killing, just the problem of not scum hunting well enough.
But if you wait a day, the vig can potentially get more of a read off of someone (who is town) that they might have potentially nked... due to not having a good idea.
Essentially you have the choice between say eight kills with X% chance to kill scum and four with 0% or six kills with X% chance and six with 0%
Now sometimes that X% just isn't high enough to win the game, but that isn't a problem with the amount of killing, just the problem of not scum hunting well enough.
But if you wait a day, the vig can potentially get more of a read off of someone (who is town) that they might have potentially nked... due to not having a good idea.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 11:12 AM
gib must have viewed CGI and athene I think
Why do you think Athene? Cos of how irritated he was at the daybreak?
He put Adenosine in that 90% category too and I am not sure that he would put forth a a false breadcrumb like that cos he knew that we would be looking for it.
And that brings to mind UT's comment about him combing through Gib's posts and not finding anything cos, well at least to me it was pretty obvious that Gib was trying to telegraph his reads to me, mostly to try to get me in line with his thought proocesses.
Why do you think Athene? Cos of how irritated he was at the daybreak?
He put Adenosine in that 90% category too and I am not sure that he would put forth a a false breadcrumb like that cos he knew that we would be looking for it.
And that brings to mind UT's comment about him combing through Gib's posts and not finding anything cos, well at least to me it was pretty obvious that Gib was trying to telegraph his reads to me, mostly to try to get me in line with his thought proocesses.
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 11:12 AM
Who do you think gib viewed?
Same question to Mantis.
CGI
Probably you and CGI. I am totally not willing to lynch him until we rustle up at least two other scum for the record. But in terms of cleared I rank it Nostrum then you then CGI, and given that ranking I'd rather have Nostrum be mayor.
Same question to Mantis.
CGI
Probably you and CGI. I am totally not willing to lynch him until we rustle up at least two other scum for the record. But in terms of cleared I rank it Nostrum then you then CGI, and given that ranking I'd rather have Nostrum be mayor.
Mantisdreamz
22nd January 2012, 11:13 AM
Who do you think gib viewed?
Same question to Mantis.
It looks like he viewed you and CGI. He said he was 90% sure on CGI.. then quoted later that he was also 90% sure on you.
Same question to Mantis.
It looks like he viewed you and CGI. He said he was 90% sure on CGI.. then quoted later that he was also 90% sure on you.
Magicziggy
22nd January 2012, 11:15 AM
Guapo's Law.
that's a crap law you broke yourself in some game or other
that's a crap law you broke yourself in some game or other
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 11:16 AM
[quote=Nightson;6387]And skipping a kill is much, much worse then killing a scum.
Wait, what? How is killing scum a bad thing?
Did you just read it wrong? Skipping a kill is worse then killing a scum.
Wait, what? How is killing scum a bad thing?
Did you just read it wrong? Skipping a kill is worse then killing a scum.
nostrum
22nd January 2012, 11:20 AM
gib must have viewed CGI and athene I think
Why do you think Athene? Cos of how irritated he was at the daybreak?
He put Adenosine in that 90% category too and I am not sure that he would put forth a a false breadcrumb like that cos he knew that we would be looking for it.
And that brings to mind UT's comment about him combing through Gib's posts and not finding anything cos, well at least to me it was pretty obvious that Gib was trying to telegraph his reads to me, mostly to try to get me in line with his thought proocesses.
Yup. UT not finding anything??
UT not able to list suspects immediately??
Diva is this town UT you're seeing?
Why do you think Athene? Cos of how irritated he was at the daybreak?
He put Adenosine in that 90% category too and I am not sure that he would put forth a a false breadcrumb like that cos he knew that we would be looking for it.
And that brings to mind UT's comment about him combing through Gib's posts and not finding anything cos, well at least to me it was pretty obvious that Gib was trying to telegraph his reads to me, mostly to try to get me in line with his thought proocesses.
Yup. UT not finding anything??
UT not able to list suspects immediately??
Diva is this town UT you're seeing?
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 11:20 AM
[quote=Nightson;6387]And skipping a kill is much, much worse then killing a scum.
Wait, what? How is killing scum a bad thing?
Did you just read it wrong? Skipping a kill is worse then killing a scum.
Maybe I am just not understanding where you are coming from, cos I don't see killing scum as a bad thing and your comparison is based on one being worse than the other in light of both of them being bad. It would make sense if you said, "And skipping a kill is much, much worse than killing town".
Wait, what? How is killing scum a bad thing?
Did you just read it wrong? Skipping a kill is worse then killing a scum.
Maybe I am just not understanding where you are coming from, cos I don't see killing scum as a bad thing and your comparison is based on one being worse than the other in light of both of them being bad. It would make sense if you said, "And skipping a kill is much, much worse than killing town".
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 11:25 AM
gib must have viewed CGI and athene I think
Why do you think Athene? Cos of how irritated he was at the daybreak?
He put Adenosine in that 90% category too and I am not sure that he would put forth a a false breadcrumb like that cos he knew that we would be looking for it.
And that brings to mind UT's comment about him combing through Gib's posts and not finding anything cos, well at least to me it was pretty obvious that Gib was trying to telegraph his reads to me, mostly to try to get me in line with his thought proocesses.
Yup. UT not finding anything??
UT not able to list suspects immediately??
Diva is this town UT you're seeing?
No. I am okay with either him being lynched or vig killed.
Why do you think Athene? Cos of how irritated he was at the daybreak?
He put Adenosine in that 90% category too and I am not sure that he would put forth a a false breadcrumb like that cos he knew that we would be looking for it.
And that brings to mind UT's comment about him combing through Gib's posts and not finding anything cos, well at least to me it was pretty obvious that Gib was trying to telegraph his reads to me, mostly to try to get me in line with his thought proocesses.
Yup. UT not finding anything??
UT not able to list suspects immediately??
Diva is this town UT you're seeing?
No. I am okay with either him being lynched or vig killed.
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 11:25 AM
Guapo's Law.
that's a crap law you broke yourself in some game or other
Probably I have but it is a good law. It stops misguided townies providing a cover for scum. It forces people to engage with the game instead of being able to say ,"yeah, person x already answered that."[/derail]
that's a crap law you broke yourself in some game or other
Probably I have but it is a good law. It stops misguided townies providing a cover for scum. It forces people to engage with the game instead of being able to say ,"yeah, person x already answered that."[/derail]
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 11:26 AM
[quote=Nightson;6387]And skipping a kill is much, much worse then killing a scum.
Wait, what? How is killing scum a bad thing?
Did you just read it wrong? Skipping a kill is worse then killing a scum.
Maybe I am just not understanding where you are coming from, cos I don't see killing scum as a bad thing and your comparison is based on one being worse than the other in light of both of them being bad. It would make sense if you said, "And skipping a kill is much, much worse than killing town".
Ah, I see. I was responding to the idea "Skipping a kill is better then killing town" so "Skipping a kill is better then killing town, but it is worse then killing scum."
Wait, what? How is killing scum a bad thing?
Did you just read it wrong? Skipping a kill is worse then killing a scum.
Maybe I am just not understanding where you are coming from, cos I don't see killing scum as a bad thing and your comparison is based on one being worse than the other in light of both of them being bad. It would make sense if you said, "And skipping a kill is much, much worse than killing town".
Ah, I see. I was responding to the idea "Skipping a kill is better then killing town" so "Skipping a kill is better then killing town, but it is worse then killing scum."
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 11:28 AM
eta: also where was this reasoning in the GitS game when I fucking begged everyone not to kill the SK cos I could recruit him? You sat on the sidelines with that and let him get lynched giving Ob no vig counterclaim and town no doc. So why the change of tune?
Pretty sure that reasoning was with me when I said that town should wait one single day but Mega was too freaked out about the idea of the role jumping from player to player and convincing the town to lynch him.
Pretty sure that reasoning was with me when I said that town should wait one single day but Mega was too freaked out about the idea of the role jumping from player to player and convincing the town to lynch him.
Magicziggy
22nd January 2012, 11:32 AM
I'd like to recommend lynching UT please
I shall check back later and see what you all decided
I shall check back later and see what you all decided
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 11:33 AM
UT –Nightson, nostrum, ericv00, MZ
Eric – MZ
Feck – diva
CGI – Mantis
Not voting: Adenosine, UT, Feck, CGI, borealis
Eric – MZ
Feck – diva
CGI – Mantis
Not voting: Adenosine, UT, Feck, CGI, borealis
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 11:34 AM
Mantis, why are you willing to go on Fuzzy's reads, a vanilla town's reads, and not gib's reads?
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 11:35 AM
UT –Nightson, nostrum, ericv00, MZ
Eric – MZ
Feck – diva
CGI – Mantis
Not voting: Adenosine, UT, Feck, CGI, borealis
Fixed
Damn, the strikethrough didn't carry from Word to the board.
Eric – MZ
Feck – diva
CGI – Mantis
Not voting: Adenosine, UT, Feck, CGI, borealis
Fixed
Damn, the strikethrough didn't carry from Word to the board.
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 11:36 AM
eta: also where was this reasoning in the GitS game when I fucking begged everyone not to kill the SK cos I could recruit him? You sat on the sidelines with that and let him get lynched giving Ob no vig counterclaim and town no doc. So why the change of tune?
Pretty sure that reasoning was with me when I said that town should wait one single day but Mega was too freaked out about the idea of the role jumping from player to player and convincing the town to lynch him.
http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24895&onlybyuserid=1173&page=7
If the town picks Pan's hack and kill target then there's no real risk of him just going and killing someone else because if something is off then he gets lynched tomorrow.
Body switching is entirely speculative and wildly unlikely in my opinion.
I see it as us getting an indie kill and one chance at scum versus us getting three chances at scum (lynch and two kills) and a chance at more town. The latter to me is much more beneficial to the town.
We know there are more scum to kill, I'd really rather focus on them and use Pan as an extra town kill.
I can't believe you forgot how much I advocated for you Diva. :sadcheer:
Pretty sure that reasoning was with me when I said that town should wait one single day but Mega was too freaked out about the idea of the role jumping from player to player and convincing the town to lynch him.
http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24895&onlybyuserid=1173&page=7
If the town picks Pan's hack and kill target then there's no real risk of him just going and killing someone else because if something is off then he gets lynched tomorrow.
Body switching is entirely speculative and wildly unlikely in my opinion.
I see it as us getting an indie kill and one chance at scum versus us getting three chances at scum (lynch and two kills) and a chance at more town. The latter to me is much more beneficial to the town.
We know there are more scum to kill, I'd really rather focus on them and use Pan as an extra town kill.
I can't believe you forgot how much I advocated for you Diva. :sadcheer:
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 11:37 AM
yeah, nightson and it has no more logic than the lynch bw on me had last night. I still think eric and feck need to participate more of they would be nice solid lynches. we also need to go back thru gibs posts and find out his views if he left breadcrumbs.
oookkkkaaayyy, if gib did hint at his views he buried them nice and deep, at least i'm not seeing them.
Took you ten minutes to go through all of gib's posts from the last two days.
oookkkkaaayyy, if gib did hint at his views he buried them nice and deep, at least i'm not seeing them.
Took you ten minutes to go through all of gib's posts from the last two days.
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 11:40 AM
@@vote CGI@@
and UT is back to trying to lynch me ..that normally happens earlier in the game . i wonder why it's late .
Nos is town .
I asked before but you didn't answer. Why are you saying that nostrum is town? UT is saying almost the opposite, that nostrum isn't playing her aggressive scum hunting game that she usually plays.
and UT is back to trying to lynch me ..that normally happens earlier in the game . i wonder why it's late .
Nos is town .
I asked before but you didn't answer. Why are you saying that nostrum is town? UT is saying almost the opposite, that nostrum isn't playing her aggressive scum hunting game that she usually plays.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 11:47 AM
eta: also where was this reasoning in the GitS game when I fucking begged everyone not to kill the SK cos I could recruit him? You sat on the sidelines with that and let him get lynched giving Ob no vig counterclaim and town no doc. So why the change of tune?
Pretty sure that reasoning was with me when I said that town should wait one single day but Mega was too freaked out about the idea of the role jumping from player to player and convincing the town to lynch him.
http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24895&onlybyuserid=1173&page=7
If the town picks Pan's hack and kill target then there's no real risk of him just going and killing someone else because if something is off then he gets lynched tomorrow.
Body switching is entirely speculative and wildly unlikely in my opinion.
I see it as us getting an indie kill and one chance at scum versus us getting three chances at scum (lynch and two kills) and a chance at more town. The latter to me is much more beneficial to the town.
We know there are more scum to kill, I'd really rather focus on them and use Pan as an extra town kill.I can't believe you forgot how much I advocated for you Diva. :sadcheer:
I did not forget that you clarifyed in one post what I had spent 22 pages of trying to work around a posting restriction to convey. (That was a different post.) :hug:
I did not remember that post. I am sorry. I just remember feeling very alone against a wall of town lunacy.
Pretty sure that reasoning was with me when I said that town should wait one single day but Mega was too freaked out about the idea of the role jumping from player to player and convincing the town to lynch him.
http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24895&onlybyuserid=1173&page=7
If the town picks Pan's hack and kill target then there's no real risk of him just going and killing someone else because if something is off then he gets lynched tomorrow.
Body switching is entirely speculative and wildly unlikely in my opinion.
I see it as us getting an indie kill and one chance at scum versus us getting three chances at scum (lynch and two kills) and a chance at more town. The latter to me is much more beneficial to the town.
We know there are more scum to kill, I'd really rather focus on them and use Pan as an extra town kill.I can't believe you forgot how much I advocated for you Diva. :sadcheer:
I did not forget that you clarifyed in one post what I had spent 22 pages of trying to work around a posting restriction to convey. (That was a different post.) :hug:
I did not remember that post. I am sorry. I just remember feeling very alone against a wall of town lunacy.
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 11:54 AM
We should kill borealis. Athene said so.
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 11:55 AM
Not in a Crossing Over way, a quick flick through borealis' posts for the last three days.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 11:58 AM
I don't even know what you mean by "crossing over". And Athene backed off of Borealis and I made note of it cos I was looking to her to get a better read on Borealis.
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 12:01 PM
I don't even know what you mean by "crossing over". And Athene backed off of Borealis and I made note of it cos I was looking to her to get a better read on Borealis.
Ah, okay. I was just reading Borealis' posts and she was getting stroppy at Athene.
Crossing Over was a show about some psychic...someone...John Edwards?...someone who would get gullible people into a studio and then pretend to talk to their dead loved ones.
Ah, okay. I was just reading Borealis' posts and she was getting stroppy at Athene.
Crossing Over was a show about some psychic...someone...John Edwards?...someone who would get gullible people into a studio and then pretend to talk to their dead loved ones.
Mantisdreamz
22nd January 2012, 12:08 PM
Mantis, why are you willing to go on Fuzzy's reads, a vanilla town's reads, and not gib's reads?
Because even if gib viewed him as town, he could still be a don.
Because even if gib viewed him as town, he could still be a don.
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 12:13 PM
Mantis, why are you willing to go on Fuzzy's reads, a vanilla town's reads, and not gib's reads?
Because even if gib viewed him as town, he could still be a don.
Yes he could be, but I trust gib's reads and the possibility that CGI could have been on gib's mind as he played but he never deviated from his read. If CGI is still alive at endgame I'd encourage re-evaluation but for now I'm going to treat him as town.
Because even if gib viewed him as town, he could still be a don.
Yes he could be, but I trust gib's reads and the possibility that CGI could have been on gib's mind as he played but he never deviated from his read. If CGI is still alive at endgame I'd encourage re-evaluation but for now I'm going to treat him as town.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
22nd January 2012, 01:53 PM
And skipping a kill is much, much worse then killing a scum.
i don't know why i didn't see this last night but i guess i was convinced by the majority. skipping a kill is like voting no lynch.
we should keep voting off players that will net us info from their bandwagons, like UT and mantis, and MZ should keep taking out feck and other non participants.
my suspect list right now is UT, mantis and much lower diva.
i don't know why i didn't see this last night but i guess i was convinced by the majority. skipping a kill is like voting no lynch.
we should keep voting off players that will net us info from their bandwagons, like UT and mantis, and MZ should keep taking out feck and other non participants.
my suspect list right now is UT, mantis and much lower diva.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
22nd January 2012, 01:56 PM
Guapo's Law.
that's a crap law you broke yourself in some game or other
i don't even know what that is, i was on hiatus when it appeared, never bothered to look.
that's a crap law you broke yourself in some game or other
i don't even know what that is, i was on hiatus when it appeared, never bothered to look.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
22nd January 2012, 02:02 PM
ok some more random thoughts:
borealis is someone who needs to be closely watched too and should be forced to participate and vote every day
as soon as i read the op i expected scum to jump up and fill the power void trying to run the game, so far it seems confirmed with flying colours
if nostrum is indy she should be town compatible, a single kill cannot be last man standing... worst case she's a traitor, so at 3/7 scum will have the votes but she still counts town for the numbers
fake eta ##vote UT##
borealis is someone who needs to be closely watched too and should be forced to participate and vote every day
as soon as i read the op i expected scum to jump up and fill the power void trying to run the game, so far it seems confirmed with flying colours
if nostrum is indy she should be town compatible, a single kill cannot be last man standing... worst case she's a traitor, so at 3/7 scum will have the votes but she still counts town for the numbers
fake eta ##vote UT##
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 02:14 PM
And skipping a kill is much, much worse then killing a scum.
i don't know why i didn't see this last night but i guess i was convinced by the majority. skipping a kill is like voting no lynch.
we should keep voting off players that will net us info from their bandwagons, like UT and mantis, and MZ should keep taking out feck and other non participants.
my suspect list right now is UT, mantis and much lower diva.
:facepalm:
Care to elaborate on why you I am on your suspect list?
i don't know why i didn't see this last night but i guess i was convinced by the majority. skipping a kill is like voting no lynch.
we should keep voting off players that will net us info from their bandwagons, like UT and mantis, and MZ should keep taking out feck and other non participants.
my suspect list right now is UT, mantis and much lower diva.
:facepalm:
Care to elaborate on why you I am on your suspect list?
Cpt. Gender Injustice
22nd January 2012, 02:18 PM
because it seems to me you are really trying to get people to distrust me. on a town view by the seer the chances are 94% to 6% that i am not the don. pending any other damning evidence i should be at least semi-cleared.
also since i was viewed early, if i were the don i would have suspected gib instantly and he would have been the first scum target.
also since i was viewed early, if i were the don i would have suspected gib instantly and he would have been the first scum target.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
22nd January 2012, 02:19 PM
also i have to say scum display a very advanced target choice pattern, i am p sure at lest 2 of them are very good players
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 02:24 PM
ok some more random thoughts:
borealis is someone who needs to be closely watched too and should be forced to participate and vote every day
as soon as i read the op i expected scum to jump up and fill the power void trying to run the game, so far it seems confirmed with flying colours
if nostrum is indy she should be town compatible, a single kill cannot be last man standing... worst case she's a traitor, so at 3/7 scum will have the votes but she still counts town for the numbers
fake eta ##vote UT##
Care to explain the bold? UT didn't take a leadership role, he is in the lynch lead, HTH.
No one is listening to Mantis, she has a good amount of suspicion on her.
No one is listening to me, despite a solid town game and too much time on my hands. I would also like to add tht if I tweaked Gib's scumdar for even a second he would have viewed me.
So where is "scum" filling the void in town leadership? It seems like you are agreeing with the "leaders" on a UT lynch. I have been waiting for you to get on line all night and if this is the crap that you are going to deal out well then fuck that.
borealis is someone who needs to be closely watched too and should be forced to participate and vote every day
as soon as i read the op i expected scum to jump up and fill the power void trying to run the game, so far it seems confirmed with flying colours
if nostrum is indy she should be town compatible, a single kill cannot be last man standing... worst case she's a traitor, so at 3/7 scum will have the votes but she still counts town for the numbers
fake eta ##vote UT##
Care to explain the bold? UT didn't take a leadership role, he is in the lynch lead, HTH.
No one is listening to Mantis, she has a good amount of suspicion on her.
No one is listening to me, despite a solid town game and too much time on my hands. I would also like to add tht if I tweaked Gib's scumdar for even a second he would have viewed me.
So where is "scum" filling the void in town leadership? It seems like you are agreeing with the "leaders" on a UT lynch. I have been waiting for you to get on line all night and if this is the crap that you are going to deal out well then fuck that.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
22nd January 2012, 02:32 PM
you are not in this group, you are on the list purely on your don opinion
the UT bw gained some traction on page 2, his page 1 performance seems to me a lot different than what he posted before. of course he is very good and he has a way of making some obvious points seem useful, but it is my impression that his state of mind has changed. same for mantis later on.
they have been hunting for this seer for 3 nights now with total disregard to other distractions. now they finally got him and it looks like a relief/impatience kind of vibe, now that victory is so close.
the UT bw gained some traction on page 2, his page 1 performance seems to me a lot different than what he posted before. of course he is very good and he has a way of making some obvious points seem useful, but it is my impression that his state of mind has changed. same for mantis later on.
they have been hunting for this seer for 3 nights now with total disregard to other distractions. now they finally got him and it looks like a relief/impatience kind of vibe, now that victory is so close.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 02:42 PM
you are not in this group, you are on the list purely on your don opinion
the UT bw gained some traction on page 2, his page 1 performance seems to me a lot different than what he posted before. of course he is very good and he has a way of making some obvious points seem useful, but it is my impression that his state of mind has changed. same for mantis later on.
they have been hunting for this seer for 3 nights now with total disregard to other distractions. now they finally got him and it looks like a relief/impatience kind of vibe, now that victory is so close.
It would be stupid to ignore the possibility of you being a don, IMO. It was not high on my priorities, I was addressing what Mantis was saying directly to me and I also said that I was not going to go down the wifom wormhole about you.
So where am I casting suspicion towards you? THe stuff that I have been saying all game? You asked to set aside my paranoia and I have, sort of.
And my page keeps getting stuck on p4 so I cannot quote posts.
the UT bw gained some traction on page 2, his page 1 performance seems to me a lot different than what he posted before. of course he is very good and he has a way of making some obvious points seem useful, but it is my impression that his state of mind has changed. same for mantis later on.
they have been hunting for this seer for 3 nights now with total disregard to other distractions. now they finally got him and it looks like a relief/impatience kind of vibe, now that victory is so close.
It would be stupid to ignore the possibility of you being a don, IMO. It was not high on my priorities, I was addressing what Mantis was saying directly to me and I also said that I was not going to go down the wifom wormhole about you.
So where am I casting suspicion towards you? THe stuff that I have been saying all game? You asked to set aside my paranoia and I have, sort of.
And my page keeps getting stuck on p4 so I cannot quote posts.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 02:53 PM
I think he cleared CGI early. He was adamant that he was town.
Agreed.
In Reply to your post #5121
uhm, well you are just going to have to lower yourself and explain that bottom line cos I am not getting it.
i'm about 90% sure CGI is town, how often am i wrong when i have a strong town read on someone? Among other things he's way more involved than at TR, i totally see that as someone wanting a less retarded mafia environment as opposed to him trying to be a scum superstar when none of his TR buddies are even watching
I would say he cleared you too:
In Reply to your post #5149
uhm, well you are just going to have to lower yourself and explain that bottom line cos I am not getting it.
i'm about 90% sure CGI is town, how often am i wrong when i have a strong town read on someone? Among other things he's way more involved than at TR, i totally see that as someone wanting a less retarded mafia environment as opposed to him trying to be a scum superstar when none of his TR buddies are even watching
wtf are you even talking about, I was talking about Adenosine, you know, the person whom I voted for.
I am not in a hurry to lynch CGI, I already said that I am leaning town on him. Are you even reading this fucking thread?
i'm 90% on Ade too fwiw
eta: I know what you mean about CGI, I said this yesterday (you were right in the midst of triangulating with Gib and CGI) that he keeps saying he is town and giving reasons that don't necessarily clear him. But i am not sure I am willing to go down the wifom wormhole on him just yet.
And I am not. But your misrepresentation of what is going on, especially wrt the "leadership" is tweaking for me.
Agreed.
In Reply to your post #5121
uhm, well you are just going to have to lower yourself and explain that bottom line cos I am not getting it.
i'm about 90% sure CGI is town, how often am i wrong when i have a strong town read on someone? Among other things he's way more involved than at TR, i totally see that as someone wanting a less retarded mafia environment as opposed to him trying to be a scum superstar when none of his TR buddies are even watching
I would say he cleared you too:
In Reply to your post #5149
uhm, well you are just going to have to lower yourself and explain that bottom line cos I am not getting it.
i'm about 90% sure CGI is town, how often am i wrong when i have a strong town read on someone? Among other things he's way more involved than at TR, i totally see that as someone wanting a less retarded mafia environment as opposed to him trying to be a scum superstar when none of his TR buddies are even watching
wtf are you even talking about, I was talking about Adenosine, you know, the person whom I voted for.
I am not in a hurry to lynch CGI, I already said that I am leaning town on him. Are you even reading this fucking thread?
i'm 90% on Ade too fwiw
eta: I know what you mean about CGI, I said this yesterday (you were right in the midst of triangulating with Gib and CGI) that he keeps saying he is town and giving reasons that don't necessarily clear him. But i am not sure I am willing to go down the wifom wormhole on him just yet.
And I am not. But your misrepresentation of what is going on, especially wrt the "leadership" is tweaking for me.
Feck
22nd January 2012, 03:11 PM
I'm saying to the best of my knowledge , Adenosine that I'm convinced that NOS is playing her town game .
borealis
22nd January 2012, 04:40 PM
We have to go with the best information we have.
Gib was seer, he made the same '90%' remark about CGI and Adenosine. I don't know how much clearer he could have made it that he viewed those two. I'd say he considered there to be a 10% possibility that either of those might be a scum don, but the most likely thing is that those two are cleared town. MZ and Nostrum are only slightly less cleared than that.
Which leaves, without a lot of wifoming about possible sks and indies etc.,
UT
Feck
borealis
Mantisdreams
eric00
Diva
That's where scum is hiding, afaics.
I'm up for a UT or Feck lynch today, and MZ should do as he sees fit after Nightfall. We'll learn a lot from both those actions.
I think UT is the biggest bw right now, so to solidify it:
Useless Twit
Gib was seer, he made the same '90%' remark about CGI and Adenosine. I don't know how much clearer he could have made it that he viewed those two. I'd say he considered there to be a 10% possibility that either of those might be a scum don, but the most likely thing is that those two are cleared town. MZ and Nostrum are only slightly less cleared than that.
Which leaves, without a lot of wifoming about possible sks and indies etc.,
UT
Feck
borealis
Mantisdreams
eric00
Diva
That's where scum is hiding, afaics.
I'm up for a UT or Feck lynch today, and MZ should do as he sees fit after Nightfall. We'll learn a lot from both those actions.
I think UT is the biggest bw right now, so to solidify it:
Useless Twit
borealis
22nd January 2012, 04:43 PM
We have to go with the best information we have.
Gib was seer, he made the same '90%' remark about CGI and Adenosine. I don't know how much clearer he could have made it that he viewed those two. I'd say he considered there to be a 10% possibility that either of those might be a scum don, but the most likely thing is that those two are cleared town. MZ and Nostrum are only slightly less cleared than that.
Which leaves, without a lot of wifoming about possible sks and indies etc.,
UT
Feck
borealis
Mantisdreams
eric00
Diva
That's where scum is hiding, afaics.
I'm up for a UT or Feck lynch today, and MZ should do as he sees fit after Nightfall. We'll learn a lot from both those actions.
I think UT is the biggest bw right now, so to solidify it:
Useless Twit
Crap, I forgot Nightson. Amended list:
UT
Feck
borealis
Mantisdreams
eric00
Diva
Nightson
Gib was seer, he made the same '90%' remark about CGI and Adenosine. I don't know how much clearer he could have made it that he viewed those two. I'd say he considered there to be a 10% possibility that either of those might be a scum don, but the most likely thing is that those two are cleared town. MZ and Nostrum are only slightly less cleared than that.
Which leaves, without a lot of wifoming about possible sks and indies etc.,
UT
Feck
borealis
Mantisdreams
eric00
Diva
That's where scum is hiding, afaics.
I'm up for a UT or Feck lynch today, and MZ should do as he sees fit after Nightfall. We'll learn a lot from both those actions.
I think UT is the biggest bw right now, so to solidify it:
Useless Twit
Crap, I forgot Nightson. Amended list:
UT
Feck
borealis
Mantisdreams
eric00
Diva
Nightson
oblivion
22nd January 2012, 05:19 PM
current count (let me know if you have something different
mayor
cgi - 6
nostrum - 2
lynch
ut - 5
feck - 1
cgi - 1
ericv00 - 1
mayor
cgi - 6
nostrum - 2
lynch
ut - 5
feck - 1
cgi - 1
ericv00 - 1
oblivion
22nd January 2012, 05:20 PM
Nightfall is approx 7 hours 40 minutes from the time of this post.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
22nd January 2012, 07:08 PM
hi UT you promised your thoughts...
who are your suspects?
who are your suspects?
Uselesstwit
22nd January 2012, 07:14 PM
just got thru the reading, haven't had a chance to go thru yesterday's lynch like i wanted to.
So to clarify my position nos is either super off her game or not town. either her or mz are lying about something.
I do think gib probably viewed cgi and that he's had a pretty good town game so far, so i'm good with him.
I'm also really liking mantis and diva, i might not completely agree with them but it does look like they're trying to sort things out, and if it's a scum act, it's a very good one. especially compared to several of the people that mostly just stopped by to vote me and whitenight someone else.
Nightson i've had as town most of the game and while i think he's being misguided atm, i still think that.
same with aden, it really did look like he tried to take one for town and i always appreciate that, much like i did by switching my votes up so i was constantly in the hammer position when i thought gonzo might be taking a lynch voter with him.
so for me the final scum are most likely feck, borealis, and eric with either mz or nos being indy.
I'll go read the end of yesterday now.
So to clarify my position nos is either super off her game or not town. either her or mz are lying about something.
I do think gib probably viewed cgi and that he's had a pretty good town game so far, so i'm good with him.
I'm also really liking mantis and diva, i might not completely agree with them but it does look like they're trying to sort things out, and if it's a scum act, it's a very good one. especially compared to several of the people that mostly just stopped by to vote me and whitenight someone else.
Nightson i've had as town most of the game and while i think he's being misguided atm, i still think that.
same with aden, it really did look like he tried to take one for town and i always appreciate that, much like i did by switching my votes up so i was constantly in the hammer position when i thought gonzo might be taking a lynch voter with him.
so for me the final scum are most likely feck, borealis, and eric with either mz or nos being indy.
I'll go read the end of yesterday now.
nostrum
22nd January 2012, 07:17 PM
The CGI-diva dramaz is a distraction we don't need.
Looking like the scum team is UT mantis and Borealis. Not sure why feck keeps saying I'm town - he could be making a point to keep me being his advocate plus if I read him wrong and he flips scum it'll be a nice if altogether way overdone way of attempting to implicate me alongside him.
MZ I'm confident you will take a scum out tonight.
I'm working on a theory that scum will get around to MZ or me tonight (MZ most likely as I can't kill scum) and then duh scum will attempt to make tomorrow about me. I think it's worth saying now that ade nightson and Borealis have all said they consider I'm the day one shot vig. Any going back on that will nail them as scum (I'm looking directly at you Borealis)
CGI
Looking like the scum team is UT mantis and Borealis. Not sure why feck keeps saying I'm town - he could be making a point to keep me being his advocate plus if I read him wrong and he flips scum it'll be a nice if altogether way overdone way of attempting to implicate me alongside him.
MZ I'm confident you will take a scum out tonight.
I'm working on a theory that scum will get around to MZ or me tonight (MZ most likely as I can't kill scum) and then duh scum will attempt to make tomorrow about me. I think it's worth saying now that ade nightson and Borealis have all said they consider I'm the day one shot vig. Any going back on that will nail them as scum (I'm looking directly at you Borealis)
CGI
nostrum
22nd January 2012, 07:19 PM
Oops pressed send.
Diva included in that list above.
CGI's stance has been I count with town effectively so he's included too.
UT and mantis have been obviously playing chess and thinking ahead to the point one of me and MZ were taken out.
Diva included in that list above.
CGI's stance has been I count with town effectively so he's included too.
UT and mantis have been obviously playing chess and thinking ahead to the point one of me and MZ were taken out.
nostrum
22nd January 2012, 07:20 PM
LOL wonderful xpost with UT. Obvious scum is obvious!!
nostrum
22nd January 2012, 07:22 PM
Notice UT puts diva in the frame now. Good timing!
Uselesstwit
22nd January 2012, 07:27 PM
yeah, nos, you're scum. No way is this your town game. The problem is when i flip town, you better have your tap dancing shoes out for tomorrow. Anyone who doesn't believe me reread her from yesterday. she specifically thinks i'm scum for being followy followed by her quietly following unto first the fuzzy bw then mine. all the while protecting feck and eric.
Uselesstwit
22nd January 2012, 07:33 PM
anyway, i'm going to hit the club now, it's a beautiful day and i've expressed my current thoughts as well as I can. Let my cardflip give you the info about how much weight to give it.
eric
cgi
just in case common sense breaks out. i might be back but before nightfall but it'll be a while.
eric
cgi
just in case common sense breaks out. i might be back but before nightfall but it'll be a while.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
22nd January 2012, 07:45 PM
ok i am now very happy with my vote... tomorrow will be interresting. MZ you have work to do tonight
those who have not expressed themselves about the NK strategy should do so, i already have
thankfully the UT bandwagon is solid enough so i won't have to stay up until nightfall. i'll drop by right before going to bed to comment some more if it wil be the case
right now nostrum looks like the person scum want us to think about for a lynch so she shouldn't be in trouble
doc go ahead and protect MZ, i have protection tonight
those who have not expressed themselves about the NK strategy should do so, i already have
thankfully the UT bandwagon is solid enough so i won't have to stay up until nightfall. i'll drop by right before going to bed to comment some more if it wil be the case
right now nostrum looks like the person scum want us to think about for a lynch so she shouldn't be in trouble
doc go ahead and protect MZ, i have protection tonight
nostrum
22nd January 2012, 07:48 PM
yeah, nos, you're scum. No way is this your town game. The problem is when i flip town, you better have your tap dancing shoes out for tomorrow. Anyone who doesn't believe me reread her from yesterday. she specifically thinks i'm scum for being followy followed by her quietly following unto first the fuzzy bw then mine. all the while protecting feck and eric.
Now I'm scum lol. Oh well MZ pretty sure you're going to be the scum target tonight and scum want to make tomorrow about me. How cool that I posted that and now UT confirms it, even though his post a few up said I'm indie.
Maybe MZ consider killing me. Remember the distraction mess from the TR game involving me? Then scum have precisely nowhere to hide.
Now I'm scum lol. Oh well MZ pretty sure you're going to be the scum target tonight and scum want to make tomorrow about me. How cool that I posted that and now UT confirms it, even though his post a few up said I'm indie.
Maybe MZ consider killing me. Remember the distraction mess from the TR game involving me? Then scum have precisely nowhere to hide.
nostrum
22nd January 2012, 07:50 PM
xpost
borealis
22nd January 2012, 08:29 PM
The CGI-diva dramaz is a distraction we don't need.
Looking like the scum team is UT mantis and Borealis. Not sure why feck keeps saying I'm town - he could be making a point to keep me being his advocate plus if I read him wrong and he flips scum it'll be a nice if altogether way overdone way of attempting to implicate me alongside him.
MZ I'm confident you will take a scum out tonight.
I'm working on a theory that scum will get around to MZ or me tonight (MZ most likely as I can't kill scum) and then duh scum will attempt to make tomorrow about me. I think it's worth saying now that ade nightson and Borealis have all said they consider I'm the day one shot vig. Any going back on that will nail them as scum (I'm looking directly at you Borealis)
CGI
Aside from getting upset with Athene's D1 instant characterisation of me being scum because I've been scum in other games, what have I done or said that hasn't been directly intended to further town's win? I'm getting tired of this meme.
Looking like the scum team is UT mantis and Borealis. Not sure why feck keeps saying I'm town - he could be making a point to keep me being his advocate plus if I read him wrong and he flips scum it'll be a nice if altogether way overdone way of attempting to implicate me alongside him.
MZ I'm confident you will take a scum out tonight.
I'm working on a theory that scum will get around to MZ or me tonight (MZ most likely as I can't kill scum) and then duh scum will attempt to make tomorrow about me. I think it's worth saying now that ade nightson and Borealis have all said they consider I'm the day one shot vig. Any going back on that will nail them as scum (I'm looking directly at you Borealis)
CGI
Aside from getting upset with Athene's D1 instant characterisation of me being scum because I've been scum in other games, what have I done or said that hasn't been directly intended to further town's win? I'm getting tired of this meme.
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 08:53 PM
The CGI-diva dramaz is a distraction we don't need.
Looking like the scum team is UT mantis and Borealis. Not sure why feck keeps saying I'm town - he could be making a point to keep me being his advocate plus if I read him wrong and he flips scum it'll be a nice if altogether way overdone way of attempting to implicate me alongside him.
MZ I'm confident you will take a scum out tonight.
I'm working on a theory that scum will get around to MZ or me tonight (MZ most likely as I can't kill scum) and then duh scum will attempt to make tomorrow about me. I think it's worth saying now that ade nightson and Borealis have all said they consider I'm the day one shot vig. Any going back on that will nail them as scum (I'm looking directly at you Borealis)
CGI
Come again? I'm pretty damn sure I haven't said that, since I'm not convinced of it. I'm still harbouring suspicions, reasonable ones, since 1.5 vigilantes is too much. If you are a town one shot vig though then we need to seriously consider the possibility of a don or another scum power role.
Looking like the scum team is UT mantis and Borealis. Not sure why feck keeps saying I'm town - he could be making a point to keep me being his advocate plus if I read him wrong and he flips scum it'll be a nice if altogether way overdone way of attempting to implicate me alongside him.
MZ I'm confident you will take a scum out tonight.
I'm working on a theory that scum will get around to MZ or me tonight (MZ most likely as I can't kill scum) and then duh scum will attempt to make tomorrow about me. I think it's worth saying now that ade nightson and Borealis have all said they consider I'm the day one shot vig. Any going back on that will nail them as scum (I'm looking directly at you Borealis)
CGI
Come again? I'm pretty damn sure I haven't said that, since I'm not convinced of it. I'm still harbouring suspicions, reasonable ones, since 1.5 vigilantes is too much. If you are a town one shot vig though then we need to seriously consider the possibility of a don or another scum power role.
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 09:22 PM
yeah, nightson and it has no more logic than the lynch bw on me had last night. I still think eric and feck need to participate more of they would be nice solid lynches. we also need to go back thru gibs posts and find out his views if he left breadcrumbs.
oookkkkaaayyy, if gib did hint at his views he buried them nice and deep, at least i'm not seeing them.
Took you ten minutes to go through all of gib's posts from the last two days.
Chose to just not respond to this post eh UT?
oookkkkaaayyy, if gib did hint at his views he buried them nice and deep, at least i'm not seeing them.
Took you ten minutes to go through all of gib's posts from the last two days.
Chose to just not respond to this post eh UT?
oblivion
22nd January 2012, 09:25 PM
I think I will be back in time for nightfall, or at least be able to close the thread via phone. If not, please stop posting at 1 AM GMT/8 PM US ET and I'll post the nightfall results as soon as I can.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
22nd January 2012, 09:28 PM
Chose to just not respond to this post eh UT?
i think we're clear on UT he is the lynch regardless
scum strategy i think is to minimse losses for today so get other suspects to talk
i'm out, good night
i think we're clear on UT he is the lynch regardless
scum strategy i think is to minimse losses for today so get other suspects to talk
i'm out, good night
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 09:34 PM
Agreed.
UT
UT
Feck
22nd January 2012, 09:34 PM
How is saying - 90% sure CGI and Athene are town - burying your seer reads deeply ? .
Feck
22nd January 2012, 09:37 PM
Unless something changes dramatically I'm gonna
###vote UT ###
###vote UT ###
Mantisdreamz
22nd January 2012, 09:43 PM
UT and mantis have been obviously playing chess and thinking ahead to the point one of me and MZ were taken out.
haha.. but also :no:
And I have a feeling UT is town. But I do think there will be stuff to gain from it.
How many scum do you think we have in a 20 person game, probably 4? I'm starting to get nervous at the lack of scumminess popping out.
If eric is scum, I think he'd try harder. I said before that it just seems almost too easy to go for the lower participators.
haha.. but also :no:
And I have a feeling UT is town. But I do think there will be stuff to gain from it.
How many scum do you think we have in a 20 person game, probably 4? I'm starting to get nervous at the lack of scumminess popping out.
If eric is scum, I think he'd try harder. I said before that it just seems almost too easy to go for the lower participators.
Mantisdreamz
22nd January 2012, 09:44 PM
How is saying - 90% sure CGI and Athene are town - burying your seer reads deeply ? .
He said the 90% thing about Adenosine and CGI. It looks very consistent and probably done purposely.
He said the 90% thing about Adenosine and CGI. It looks very consistent and probably done purposely.
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 09:55 PM
I'm up for a UT or Feck lynch today, and MZ should do as he sees fit after Nightfall. We'll learn a lot from both those actions.
Assuming it was all up to you, who would you lynch after that?
You called the UT bandwagon crazy last night, what changed your mind to make him one of your top suspects today?
Assuming it was all up to you, who would you lynch after that?
You called the UT bandwagon crazy last night, what changed your mind to make him one of your top suspects today?
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 10:07 PM
Anyone interested in a Feckwagon?
Yes.
Feck
Diva is this town UT you're seeing?
No. I am okay with either him being lynched or vig killed.
Assuming Feck and UT both die, which two people would you lynch/vig tomorrow?
Yes.
Feck
Diva is this town UT you're seeing?
No. I am okay with either him being lynched or vig killed.
Assuming Feck and UT both die, which two people would you lynch/vig tomorrow?
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 10:09 PM
And I have a feeling UT is town. But I do think there will be stuff to gain from it.
What gives you the feeling UT is town?
If we assume he is town, what's gained from his lynch?
What gives you the feeling UT is town?
If we assume he is town, what's gained from his lynch?
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 10:15 PM
@Feck - Can you write out your thoughts on all the players left in the game, I'm pretty sure there's lots of people you haven't mentioned all game.
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 10:17 PM
Okay, back from work, but it looks like no one is here right now...
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 10:17 PM
Oh! Didn't see the last page.
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 10:20 PM
If eric is scum, I think he'd try harder. I said before that it just seems almost too easy to go for the lower participators.
I get easily frustrated when things don't go the way I expect them to. The Gonzo thing had me :facepalm:
I have time now, no obligations until Tuesday. It is later in the game, and I've calmed down about The Gonzo Day.
I get easily frustrated when things don't go the way I expect them to. The Gonzo thing had me :facepalm:
I have time now, no obligations until Tuesday. It is later in the game, and I've calmed down about The Gonzo Day.
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 10:22 PM
I look scummy. And I know it. I got frustrated with town and have been too busy with other things. I'm supposed to be asleep right now.
The two people I'm most worried about is UT and Feck. Gib has not been too happy with UT this game and I know there was a time yesterday that UT and MZ had a vote on me. I consider MZ mostly 'cleared', as in not scum. I would also expect a scum to have a vote on me, considering I am not a difficult one to lynch this game. So I have to vote:
UT
Do you feel this is a convincing reason to vote UT?
The two people I'm most worried about is UT and Feck. Gib has not been too happy with UT this game and I know there was a time yesterday that UT and MZ had a vote on me. I consider MZ mostly 'cleared', as in not scum. I would also expect a scum to have a vote on me, considering I am not a difficult one to lynch this game. So I have to vote:
UT
Do you feel this is a convincing reason to vote UT?
Magicziggy
22nd January 2012, 10:26 PM
If eric is scum, I think he'd try harder. I said before that it just seems almost too easy to go for the lower participators.
I get easily frustrated when things don't go the way I expect them to. The Gonzo thing had me :facepalm:
I have time now, no obligations until Tuesday. It is later in the game, and I've calmed down about The Gonzo Day.
What's not to be calm about ? Gonzo got his win. This a straight race for second.. You ate complelty different this game to the other one we played where you were fearless in town strategy about getting a read on me.
I get easily frustrated when things don't go the way I expect them to. The Gonzo thing had me :facepalm:
I have time now, no obligations until Tuesday. It is later in the game, and I've calmed down about The Gonzo Day.
What's not to be calm about ? Gonzo got his win. This a straight race for second.. You ate complelty different this game to the other one we played where you were fearless in town strategy about getting a read on me.
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 10:26 PM
As I mentioned earlier, my concerns are with UT, Feck, and Mantis. This has not changed.
I'm starting to get the feeling that MZ and nostrum are both true to their roles, but that there is a don to balance them out. However, I don't have enough experience to really know how these things should balance out.
Even so, a don should be a later worry. There are other scum out there and we can target those players. If we get to a point where we expect one more scum from a mess of 'cleared' players (or semi-cleared, if you prefer), we can do further analysis. Right now, we should be focusing on players not cleared (or not semi-cleared, if you prefer).
I'm starting to get the feeling that MZ and nostrum are both true to their roles, but that there is a don to balance them out. However, I don't have enough experience to really know how these things should balance out.
Even so, a don should be a later worry. There are other scum out there and we can target those players. If we get to a point where we expect one more scum from a mess of 'cleared' players (or semi-cleared, if you prefer), we can do further analysis. Right now, we should be focusing on players not cleared (or not semi-cleared, if you prefer).
Magicziggy
22nd January 2012, 10:27 PM
Anyone interested in a Feckwagon?
Yes.
Feck
Diva is this town UT you're seeing?
No. I am okay with either him being lynched or vig killed.
Assuming Feck and UT both die, which two people would you lynch/vig tomorrow?
I'm not being led by you or anyone wrt nk
Yes.
Feck
Diva is this town UT you're seeing?
No. I am okay with either him being lynched or vig killed.
Assuming Feck and UT both die, which two people would you lynch/vig tomorrow?
I'm not being led by you or anyone wrt nk
nostrum
22nd January 2012, 10:29 PM
The CGI-diva dramaz is a distraction we don't need.
Looking like the scum team is UT mantis and Borealis. Not sure why feck keeps saying I'm town - he could be making a point to keep me being his advocate plus if I read him wrong and he flips scum it'll be a nice if altogether way overdone way of attempting to implicate me alongside him.
MZ I'm confident you will take a scum out tonight.
I'm working on a theory that scum will get around to MZ or me tonight (MZ most likely as I can't kill scum) and then duh scum will attempt to make tomorrow about me. I think it's worth saying now that ade nightson and Borealis have all said they consider I'm the day one shot vig. Any going back on that will nail them as scum (I'm looking directly at you Borealis)
CGI
Come again? I'm pretty damn sure I haven't said that, since I'm not convinced of it. I'm still harbouring suspicions, reasonable ones, since 1.5 vigilantes is too much. If you are a town one shot vig though then we need to seriously consider the possibility of a don or another scum power role.
Sorry, I thought you'd decided to trust me. No matter, I consider you cleared by gib and there's no way you could be don due to your self-vote that very very nearly got you lynched.
My point was, scum needs to think very carefully about trying to make a whole game day revolve around me.
Looking like the scum team is UT mantis and Borealis. Not sure why feck keeps saying I'm town - he could be making a point to keep me being his advocate plus if I read him wrong and he flips scum it'll be a nice if altogether way overdone way of attempting to implicate me alongside him.
MZ I'm confident you will take a scum out tonight.
I'm working on a theory that scum will get around to MZ or me tonight (MZ most likely as I can't kill scum) and then duh scum will attempt to make tomorrow about me. I think it's worth saying now that ade nightson and Borealis have all said they consider I'm the day one shot vig. Any going back on that will nail them as scum (I'm looking directly at you Borealis)
CGI
Come again? I'm pretty damn sure I haven't said that, since I'm not convinced of it. I'm still harbouring suspicions, reasonable ones, since 1.5 vigilantes is too much. If you are a town one shot vig though then we need to seriously consider the possibility of a don or another scum power role.
Sorry, I thought you'd decided to trust me. No matter, I consider you cleared by gib and there's no way you could be don due to your self-vote that very very nearly got you lynched.
My point was, scum needs to think very carefully about trying to make a whole game day revolve around me.
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 10:32 PM
I look scummy. And I know it. I got frustrated with town and have been too busy with other things. I'm supposed to be asleep right now.
The two people I'm most worried about is UT and Feck. Gib has not been too happy with UT this game and I know there was a time yesterday that UT and MZ had a vote on me. I consider MZ mostly 'cleared', as in not scum. I would also expect a scum to have a vote on me, considering I am not a difficult one to lynch this game. So I have to vote:
UT
Do you feel this is a convincing reason to vote UT?
Considering the uneasy feelings of many other players? Yes.
You may not know that I am town, but I am, and since I am town and suspicious, I would expect scum to go for an easy mislynch. This is obviously a quality scum team, so I don't expect that many scum players to be on me at any one time. I also haven't read all of every day, but I did catch that there was a moment where MZ and UT were the ones with a vote on me. Adding up all of these things, I think UT is my best choice for a vote against a scum player.
The two people I'm most worried about is UT and Feck. Gib has not been too happy with UT this game and I know there was a time yesterday that UT and MZ had a vote on me. I consider MZ mostly 'cleared', as in not scum. I would also expect a scum to have a vote on me, considering I am not a difficult one to lynch this game. So I have to vote:
UT
Do you feel this is a convincing reason to vote UT?
Considering the uneasy feelings of many other players? Yes.
You may not know that I am town, but I am, and since I am town and suspicious, I would expect scum to go for an easy mislynch. This is obviously a quality scum team, so I don't expect that many scum players to be on me at any one time. I also haven't read all of every day, but I did catch that there was a moment where MZ and UT were the ones with a vote on me. Adding up all of these things, I think UT is my best choice for a vote against a scum player.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 10:32 PM
Anyone interested in a Feckwagon?
Yes.
Feck
Diva is this town UT you're seeing?
No. I am okay with either him being lynched or vig killed.
Assuming Feck and UT both die, which two people would you lynch/vig tomorrow?
I would be gunning for Eric, Borealis and Mantis. If MZ showed as town vig cos he was knocked off then I would be questioning Nostrum. I don't give a shit how this makes me look. I have maintained that I think that MZ is the SK and I think his lack of kill last night was protown. I know we disagree on that but oh well.
Yes.
Feck
Diva is this town UT you're seeing?
No. I am okay with either him being lynched or vig killed.
Assuming Feck and UT both die, which two people would you lynch/vig tomorrow?
I would be gunning for Eric, Borealis and Mantis. If MZ showed as town vig cos he was knocked off then I would be questioning Nostrum. I don't give a shit how this makes me look. I have maintained that I think that MZ is the SK and I think his lack of kill last night was protown. I know we disagree on that but oh well.
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 10:33 PM
I'm not being led by you or anyone wrt nk
And Diva doesn't control the lynch tomorrow. Moreover, I don't want to lead or even talk about your nightkill possibilities. I want scum to have to sweat about whether you're going to hit one of them or not.
And Diva doesn't control the lynch tomorrow. Moreover, I don't want to lead or even talk about your nightkill possibilities. I want scum to have to sweat about whether you're going to hit one of them or not.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 10:37 PM
eta: Sorry Nostrum, you can paint me in a bad light all you want. I will question you.
Mantisdreamz
22nd January 2012, 10:38 PM
And I have a feeling UT is town. But I do think there will be stuff to gain from it.
What gives you the feeling UT is town?
If we assume he is town, what's gained from his lynch?
Dunno, see who was pushing for it. Or who might have not said anything about him before, yet plopped a vote down.
I'm not sure exactly. Would he grating against nostrum as scum? Many have her as cleared. He is standing out in that sense. I think scum are taking the easy route this game and focusing on the ones that aren't as vocal.. which looks townish, because people like Feck are question marks to town. But if we keep going down that path then next thing you know scum are at parity.
What gives you the feeling UT is town?
If we assume he is town, what's gained from his lynch?
Dunno, see who was pushing for it. Or who might have not said anything about him before, yet plopped a vote down.
I'm not sure exactly. Would he grating against nostrum as scum? Many have her as cleared. He is standing out in that sense. I think scum are taking the easy route this game and focusing on the ones that aren't as vocal.. which looks townish, because people like Feck are question marks to town. But if we keep going down that path then next thing you know scum are at parity.
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 10:39 PM
I'm not being led by you or anyone wrt nk
And Diva doesn't control the lynch tomorrow. Moreover, I don't want to lead or even talk about your nightkill possibilities. I want scum to have to sweat about whether you're going to hit one of them or not.
If MZ is an SK it is also in his best interest to try to target scum right now. I'm not sure why MZ is a conversation topic at this moment. MZ will do the most pro-town action he can tonight. We do not need to worry about MZ.
And Diva doesn't control the lynch tomorrow. Moreover, I don't want to lead or even talk about your nightkill possibilities. I want scum to have to sweat about whether you're going to hit one of them or not.
If MZ is an SK it is also in his best interest to try to target scum right now. I'm not sure why MZ is a conversation topic at this moment. MZ will do the most pro-town action he can tonight. We do not need to worry about MZ.
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 10:40 PM
I would be gunning for Eric, Borealis and Mantis. If MZ showed as town vig cos he was knocked off then I would be questioning Nostrum. I don't give a shit how this makes me look. I have maintained that I think that MZ is the SK and I think his lack of kill last night was protown. I know we disagree on that but oh well.
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 10:42 PM
And I have a feeling UT is town. But I do think there will be stuff to gain from it.
What gives you the feeling UT is town?
If we assume he is town, what's gained from his lynch?
Dunno, see who was pushing for it. Or who might have not said anything about him before, yet plopped a vote down.
I'm not sure exactly. Would he grating against nostrum as scum? Many have her as cleared. He is standing out in that sense. I think scum are taking the easy route this game and focusing on the ones that aren't as vocal.. which looks townish, because people like Feck are question marks to town. But if we keep going down that path then next thing you know scum are at parity.
Mantis, I haven't liked your contributions this game. You don't really say anything to get town to a more solid position. You are not helping as I would expect. This is why I have you as suspicious.
What gives you the feeling UT is town?
If we assume he is town, what's gained from his lynch?
Dunno, see who was pushing for it. Or who might have not said anything about him before, yet plopped a vote down.
I'm not sure exactly. Would he grating against nostrum as scum? Many have her as cleared. He is standing out in that sense. I think scum are taking the easy route this game and focusing on the ones that aren't as vocal.. which looks townish, because people like Feck are question marks to town. But if we keep going down that path then next thing you know scum are at parity.
Mantis, I haven't liked your contributions this game. You don't really say anything to get town to a more solid position. You are not helping as I would expect. This is why I have you as suspicious.
nostrum
22nd January 2012, 10:43 PM
^ diva this is how you're going to be dragged into the spotlight again. And this is why I'm suggesting MZ kill me. If you are town, diva (and I think you are) then please elaborate on how the frack it will be in town's interest to focus on me if/when MZ is scum killed overnight and flips vig? Do you have any actual wiki role that is anti-town that has a single day kill that would fit? If you had my role and were forced to out day 1 and then had continued stupid WIFOM over whether you were in fact cleared town I think you'd be apoplectic. I think I'm holding it together quite well under the circumstances, but I have to say that experienced players buying into WIFOM about my role are going to be red-faced post game, 'cos I won't be letting them forget about it.
I have to say, that TR game that spent days spotlighting me and allowing scum to foment the distraction, was intensely frustrating and in the mood I'm in I'm not up for it again.
Bottom line: if you are town, you (not just diva) will be playing into scum's hands by doing this crap over me.
MZ I'm glad you're not going to be led by anyone, but do keep all this in mind.
ade, as the only cleared person (who cannot even be don) you will need to lead town and if you condone or participate in the bullshit WIFOM you will be playing into scum's hands.
I have to say, that TR game that spent days spotlighting me and allowing scum to foment the distraction, was intensely frustrating and in the mood I'm in I'm not up for it again.
Bottom line: if you are town, you (not just diva) will be playing into scum's hands by doing this crap over me.
MZ I'm glad you're not going to be led by anyone, but do keep all this in mind.
ade, as the only cleared person (who cannot even be don) you will need to lead town and if you condone or participate in the bullshit WIFOM you will be playing into scum's hands.
nostrum
22nd January 2012, 10:43 PM
xposts central, that was at diva
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 10:46 PM
Agreed, nostrum is not a topic today, anyone pushing it is being anti-town. Nostum is not a topic until we have few options and targets left. Until then, I will consider her 'cleared'.
divagreen
22nd January 2012, 10:51 PM
I would be gunning for Eric, Borealis and Mantis. If MZ showed as town vig cos he was knocked off then I would be questioning Nostrum. I don't give a shit how this makes me look. I have maintained that I think that MZ is the SK and I think his lack of kill last night was protown. I know we disagree on that but oh well.
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
I find it hard to believe that a game would be this vig heavy.
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
I find it hard to believe that a game would be this vig heavy.
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 10:53 PM
I would be gunning for Eric, Borealis and Mantis. If MZ showed as town vig cos he was knocked off then I would be questioning Nostrum. I don't give a shit how this makes me look. I have maintained that I think that MZ is the SK and I think his lack of kill last night was protown. I know we disagree on that but oh well.
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
I find it hard to believe that a game would be this vig heavy.
You really think a one shot day vig precludes a normal vig? Why?
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
I find it hard to believe that a game would be this vig heavy.
You really think a one shot day vig precludes a normal vig? Why?
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 10:55 PM
I would be gunning for Eric, Borealis and Mantis. If MZ showed as town vig cos he was knocked off then I would be questioning Nostrum. I don't give a shit how this makes me look. I have maintained that I think that MZ is the SK and I think his lack of kill last night was protown. I know we disagree on that but oh well.
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
I find it hard to believe that a game would be this vig heavy.
Okay.
Is there any reason to think an SK would risk scum reaching parity right now?
Is there any reason to fear nostrum more than the other scums that should be out there?
This is a topic for another day, when things are narrowed down enough that we have to consider them.
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
I find it hard to believe that a game would be this vig heavy.
Okay.
Is there any reason to think an SK would risk scum reaching parity right now?
Is there any reason to fear nostrum more than the other scums that should be out there?
This is a topic for another day, when things are narrowed down enough that we have to consider them.
Magicziggy
22nd January 2012, 10:59 PM
I would be gunning for Eric, Borealis and Mantis. If MZ showed as town vig cos he was knocked off then I would be questioning Nostrum. I don't give a shit how this makes me look. I have maintained that I think that MZ is the SK and I think his lack of kill last night was protown. I know we disagree on that but oh well.
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
I find it hard to believe that a game would be this vig heavy.
Okay.
Is there any reason to think an SK would risk scum reaching parity right now?
Is there any reason to fear nostrum more than the other scums that should be out there?
This is a topic for another day, when things are narrowed down enough that we have to consider them.
No we don't. We make the assumption right now that nostrum is town and if we get screwed by a weird scum role so be it. It's that simple
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
I find it hard to believe that a game would be this vig heavy.
Okay.
Is there any reason to think an SK would risk scum reaching parity right now?
Is there any reason to fear nostrum more than the other scums that should be out there?
This is a topic for another day, when things are narrowed down enough that we have to consider them.
No we don't. We make the assumption right now that nostrum is town and if we get screwed by a weird scum role so be it. It's that simple
Nightson
22nd January 2012, 11:02 PM
I'm not sure why MZ is a conversation topic at this moment.
Agreed, nostrum is not a topic today, anyone pushing it is being anti-town. Nostum is not a topic until we have few options and targets left. Until then, I will consider her 'cleared'.
This is a topic for another day, when things are narrowed down enough that we have to consider them.
We get it. Stop inserting yourself into conversations and trying to shut them down, nobody is stopping you from talking about topics you want to talk about.
Agreed, nostrum is not a topic today, anyone pushing it is being anti-town. Nostum is not a topic until we have few options and targets left. Until then, I will consider her 'cleared'.
This is a topic for another day, when things are narrowed down enough that we have to consider them.
We get it. Stop inserting yourself into conversations and trying to shut them down, nobody is stopping you from talking about topics you want to talk about.
Magicziggy
22nd January 2012, 11:02 PM
In summary.. We should make no attempt to lynch nostrum and I will rule her out of the nk.
If we lose.. We lose .. I want to avoid the wifomy crap that lets scum hide.
If we lose.. We lose .. I want to avoid the wifomy crap that lets scum hide.
Mantisdreamz
22nd January 2012, 11:08 PM
Mantis, I haven't liked your contributions this game. You don't really say anything to get town to a more solid position. You are not helping as I would expect. This is why I have you as suspicious.
This is probably due to honestly not having any scum reads. I'm getting kind of frustrated about it actually.
2. adenosine - town
3. magicziggy - vig/SK
5. nostrum - one shot, cleared for now
6. Uselesstwit - unsure to townish
8. Feck - leaning townish, except for the fact that he keeps saying that nostrum is town. Admit, that he could be scum. go back and forth with him.
11. CGI - suspicious of him. Maybe subconsciously mentioning several times that he is 'looking townish'
13. Daphne Girl/Mantisdreamz - town
14. borealis - unsure to leaning townish
15. ericv00 - leaning townish due to several reactions and the fact that i think you'd post more if scum
16. Nightson - unsure.
20. diva - town, or really good scum (really don't think the latter though)
Those are my reads so far. If I had to pick the remaining scum right now, i'd say Nightson, CGI, (Feck??). Maybe it is UT.
And I know that CGI being scum is not a popular view for many. But having a town read on so many (before him), doesn't help.
This is probably due to honestly not having any scum reads. I'm getting kind of frustrated about it actually.
2. adenosine - town
3. magicziggy - vig/SK
5. nostrum - one shot, cleared for now
6. Uselesstwit - unsure to townish
8. Feck - leaning townish, except for the fact that he keeps saying that nostrum is town. Admit, that he could be scum. go back and forth with him.
11. CGI - suspicious of him. Maybe subconsciously mentioning several times that he is 'looking townish'
13. Daphne Girl/Mantisdreamz - town
14. borealis - unsure to leaning townish
15. ericv00 - leaning townish due to several reactions and the fact that i think you'd post more if scum
16. Nightson - unsure.
20. diva - town, or really good scum (really don't think the latter though)
Those are my reads so far. If I had to pick the remaining scum right now, i'd say Nightson, CGI, (Feck??). Maybe it is UT.
And I know that CGI being scum is not a popular view for many. But having a town read on so many (before him), doesn't help.
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 11:15 PM
Okay.
Is there any reason to think an SK would risk scum reaching parity right now?
Is there any reason to fear nostrum more than the other scums that should be out there?
This is a topic for another day, when things are narrowed down enough that we have to consider them.
No we don't. We make the assumption right now that nostrum is town and if we get screwed by a weird scum role so be it. It's that simple[/QUOTE]
That's my point
Is there any reason to think an SK would risk scum reaching parity right now?
Is there any reason to fear nostrum more than the other scums that should be out there?
This is a topic for another day, when things are narrowed down enough that we have to consider them.
No we don't. We make the assumption right now that nostrum is town and if we get screwed by a weird scum role so be it. It's that simple[/QUOTE]
That's my point
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 11:15 PM
screwed up the quotes...
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 11:17 PM
I'm not sure why MZ is a conversation topic at this moment.
Agreed, nostrum is not a topic today, anyone pushing it is being anti-town. Nostum is not a topic until we have few options and targets left. Until then, I will consider her 'cleared'.
This is a topic for another day, when things are narrowed down enough that we have to consider them.
We get it. Stop inserting yourself into conversations and trying to shut them down, nobody is stopping you from talking about topics you want to talk about.
In summary.. We should make no attempt to lynch nostrum and I will rule her out of the nk.
If we lose.. We lose .. I want to avoid the wifomy crap that lets scum hide.
:nada:
Agreed, nostrum is not a topic today, anyone pushing it is being anti-town. Nostum is not a topic until we have few options and targets left. Until then, I will consider her 'cleared'.
This is a topic for another day, when things are narrowed down enough that we have to consider them.
We get it. Stop inserting yourself into conversations and trying to shut them down, nobody is stopping you from talking about topics you want to talk about.
In summary.. We should make no attempt to lynch nostrum and I will rule her out of the nk.
If we lose.. We lose .. I want to avoid the wifomy crap that lets scum hide.
:nada:
ericv00
22nd January 2012, 11:26 PM
And I know that CGI being scum is not a popular view for many. But having a town read on so many (before him), doesn't help.
Well, for now, lets stick to trying to find scum among the players that do not have voting and seer cred.
We lose by letting any scum slip by, not just CGI if he is scum.
So what about nightson, feck, and UT?
I don't like how quiet feck has seemed to me, I have already mentioned my thoughts on UT. I have no read on nightson. Mind you, I am not up to speed on the whole game. Do you have any other observations on these players that can help me right now?
Well, for now, lets stick to trying to find scum among the players that do not have voting and seer cred.
We lose by letting any scum slip by, not just CGI if he is scum.
So what about nightson, feck, and UT?
I don't like how quiet feck has seemed to me, I have already mentioned my thoughts on UT. I have no read on nightson. Mind you, I am not up to speed on the whole game. Do you have any other observations on these players that can help me right now?
Mantisdreamz
22nd January 2012, 11:42 PM
And I know that CGI being scum is not a popular view for many. But having a town read on so many (before him), doesn't help.
Well, for now, lets stick to trying to find scum among the players that do not have voting and seer cred.
We lose by letting any scum slip by, not just CGI if he is scum.
Yes... my vote is technically in a silly place right now (on him). But, he's the one I'm most suspicious of, seer read and all.
So what about nightson, feck, and UT?
I don't like how quiet feck has seemed to me, I have already mentioned my thoughts on UT. I have no read on nightson. Mind you, I am not up to speed on the whole game. Do you have any other observations on these players that can help me right now?
It's more of having a few people that look more townish to me, than them. So more of a process of elimination.
Borealis has mentioned several times that she's getting tired of the meme that she is scum because Athene mentioned it... looked sincere to me. Also, she was sort of gunning on Fuzzy. She said herself that she's not usually much of a leader, so sticking her neck out like that, to get us to focus on him... doesn't really mesh with how i've seen her as scum before.
MZ, and nostrum -- cleared for now with their visible actions.
eric - i've voted you several times, only to unvote you when you do post. Your reactions seem townish.
Adenosine and his voting himself shenanigans - has to be town.
Diva is more of a gut feel.
That leaves CGI Nightson Feck, maybe UT (though his attitude seems town).
Nightson has asked a ton of questions, getting people to talk... but there's no gut feel that he is town, other than him posting a list of players and summing them up, when he was bored.
I'm sure i've got stuff wrong .. but that's what it looks like from here.
Well, for now, lets stick to trying to find scum among the players that do not have voting and seer cred.
We lose by letting any scum slip by, not just CGI if he is scum.
Yes... my vote is technically in a silly place right now (on him). But, he's the one I'm most suspicious of, seer read and all.
So what about nightson, feck, and UT?
I don't like how quiet feck has seemed to me, I have already mentioned my thoughts on UT. I have no read on nightson. Mind you, I am not up to speed on the whole game. Do you have any other observations on these players that can help me right now?
It's more of having a few people that look more townish to me, than them. So more of a process of elimination.
Borealis has mentioned several times that she's getting tired of the meme that she is scum because Athene mentioned it... looked sincere to me. Also, she was sort of gunning on Fuzzy. She said herself that she's not usually much of a leader, so sticking her neck out like that, to get us to focus on him... doesn't really mesh with how i've seen her as scum before.
MZ, and nostrum -- cleared for now with their visible actions.
eric - i've voted you several times, only to unvote you when you do post. Your reactions seem townish.
Adenosine and his voting himself shenanigans - has to be town.
Diva is more of a gut feel.
That leaves CGI Nightson Feck, maybe UT (though his attitude seems town).
Nightson has asked a ton of questions, getting people to talk... but there's no gut feel that he is town, other than him posting a list of players and summing them up, when he was bored.
I'm sure i've got stuff wrong .. but that's what it looks like from here.
Magicziggy
22nd January 2012, 11:52 PM
Yep nightson is definitely in the mix for the bullet
Adenosine
22nd January 2012, 11:58 PM
I would be gunning for Eric, Borealis and Mantis. If MZ showed as town vig cos he was knocked off then I would be questioning Nostrum. I don't give a shit how this makes me look. I have maintained that I think that MZ is the SK and I think his lack of kill last night was protown. I know we disagree on that but oh well.
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
I find it hard to believe that a game would be this vig heavy.
I agree but I also think that if we go down the nostrum/MZ rabbit hole today we'll detract from the current discussion.
I've been one of both nostrum and CGI's biggest opponents this game. For now I'm either trusting them or leaving them alone.
I'm happy with a UT lynch today and a Feck or Nightson vig kill.
At some point either nostrum or MZ needs to go. Actually I'm surprised nostrum hasn't volunteered. She usually does when she is town just to remove the wifom.
Hmm.
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
I find it hard to believe that a game would be this vig heavy.
I agree but I also think that if we go down the nostrum/MZ rabbit hole today we'll detract from the current discussion.
I've been one of both nostrum and CGI's biggest opponents this game. For now I'm either trusting them or leaving them alone.
I'm happy with a UT lynch today and a Feck or Nightson vig kill.
At some point either nostrum or MZ needs to go. Actually I'm surprised nostrum hasn't volunteered. She usually does when she is town just to remove the wifom.
Hmm.
ericv00
23rd January 2012, 12:00 AM
Okay, well if UT is definitely going today, I guess there is not much left to do except wait for the flip. I'll check in around nightfall.
Nightson
23rd January 2012, 12:02 AM
I would be gunning for Eric, Borealis and Mantis. If MZ showed as town vig cos he was knocked off then I would be questioning Nostrum. I don't give a shit how this makes me look. I have maintained that I think that MZ is the SK and I think his lack of kill last night was protown. I know we disagree on that but oh well.
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
I find it hard to believe that a game would be this vig heavy.
I agree but I also think that if we go down the nostrum/MZ rabbit hole today we'll detract from the current discussion.
I've been one of both nostrum and CGI's biggest opponents this game. For now I'm either trusting them or leaving them alone.
I'm happy with a UT lynch today and a Feck or Nightson vig kill.
At some point either nostrum or MZ needs to go. Actually I'm surprised nostrum hasn't volunteered. She usually does when she is town just to remove the wifom.
Hmm.
http://mindromp.org/forum/showpost.php?p=6634&postcount=146
And I continue to not concur with the "one shot day vig and normal vig can't be in the same game" line of thinking.
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
I find it hard to believe that a game would be this vig heavy.
I agree but I also think that if we go down the nostrum/MZ rabbit hole today we'll detract from the current discussion.
I've been one of both nostrum and CGI's biggest opponents this game. For now I'm either trusting them or leaving them alone.
I'm happy with a UT lynch today and a Feck or Nightson vig kill.
At some point either nostrum or MZ needs to go. Actually I'm surprised nostrum hasn't volunteered. She usually does when she is town just to remove the wifom.
Hmm.
http://mindromp.org/forum/showpost.php?p=6634&postcount=146
And I continue to not concur with the "one shot day vig and normal vig can't be in the same game" line of thinking.
Feck
23rd January 2012, 12:04 AM
2. adenosine ..... town
3. magicziggy ......town,maybe indie working with town
5. nostrum ....... town (and I can normally read her well )
6. Uselesstwit......... I'm thinking scum
11. CGI ......... Town so far BUT Don ?
13. Daphne Girl/Mantisdreamz no read yet
14. borealis..... could be scum ,not a good read
15. ericv00 ........ Scum (ish)
16. Nightson ....... not sure ,looking better today
20. Diva ........ I'm tending towards town
OK that's how I FeeL about people
3. magicziggy ......town,maybe indie working with town
5. nostrum ....... town (and I can normally read her well )
6. Uselesstwit......... I'm thinking scum
11. CGI ......... Town so far BUT Don ?
13. Daphne Girl/Mantisdreamz no read yet
14. borealis..... could be scum ,not a good read
15. ericv00 ........ Scum (ish)
16. Nightson ....... not sure ,looking better today
20. Diva ........ I'm tending towards town
OK that's how I FeeL about people
Nightson
23rd January 2012, 12:04 AM
Okay, well if UT is definitely going today, I guess there is not much left to do except wait for the flip. I'll check in around nightfall.
I find this hilarious.
Leaning town on you, but still hilarious.
I find this hilarious.
Leaning town on you, but still hilarious.
borealis
23rd January 2012, 12:32 AM
I'm up for a UT or Feck lynch today, and MZ should do as he sees fit after Nightfall. We'll learn a lot from both those actions.
Assuming it was all up to you, who would you lynch after that?
You called the UT bandwagon crazy last night, what changed your mind to make him one of your top suspects today?
I'd probably focus on mantis or you, tbh, then eric. I've played a fair number of games with mantis and I've been wondering about the mixed signals I feel like I'm getting from her. But I haven't gone back and read all her posts to see if I'm just imagining something.
Yup, last night UT seemed more townish to me than, for example, CGI or Feck or Adenosine or you, so I couldn't understand why the big rush on him. I won't be the least surprised if he flips town, though I hope he doesn't and think he won't. There're fewer players who aren't cleared or semi-cleared today, courtesy of gib's breadcrumbs, and that eliminated one of the players I found pretty scummy. UT is in the uncleared pack and his flip either way will be enlightening. The same could be said of any of us in the uncleared pack, me and you included.
There are some funny dynamics going on in this game, nostrum's one shot for one thing. Bears thinking about.
Assuming it was all up to you, who would you lynch after that?
You called the UT bandwagon crazy last night, what changed your mind to make him one of your top suspects today?
I'd probably focus on mantis or you, tbh, then eric. I've played a fair number of games with mantis and I've been wondering about the mixed signals I feel like I'm getting from her. But I haven't gone back and read all her posts to see if I'm just imagining something.
Yup, last night UT seemed more townish to me than, for example, CGI or Feck or Adenosine or you, so I couldn't understand why the big rush on him. I won't be the least surprised if he flips town, though I hope he doesn't and think he won't. There're fewer players who aren't cleared or semi-cleared today, courtesy of gib's breadcrumbs, and that eliminated one of the players I found pretty scummy. UT is in the uncleared pack and his flip either way will be enlightening. The same could be said of any of us in the uncleared pack, me and you included.
There are some funny dynamics going on in this game, nostrum's one shot for one thing. Bears thinking about.
Uselesstwit
23rd January 2012, 12:34 AM
well guys the flip is going to be town, so i really think eric should be the night kill followed by a feck lynch tomorrow. just my last two cents.
Mantisdreamz
23rd January 2012, 12:44 AM
well guys the flip is going to be town, so i really think eric should be the night kill followed by a feck lynch tomorrow. just my last two cents.
what do you think of Nightson and CGI?
what do you think of Nightson and CGI?
Uselesstwit
23rd January 2012, 12:45 AM
okay, maybe a couple more.
mz, if you are town/compatible you need to find your top game tonight, otherwise it's pretty much over and you're towns best hope, these day lynches are being manipulated somehow.
also, if someone would like to point out where i was actually scumy, i'd love to see it so i can work on it.
mz, if you are town/compatible you need to find your top game tonight, otherwise it's pretty much over and you're towns best hope, these day lynches are being manipulated somehow.
also, if someone would like to point out where i was actually scumy, i'd love to see it so i can work on it.
Adenosine
23rd January 2012, 12:46 AM
I would be gunning for Eric, Borealis and Mantis. If MZ showed as town vig cos he was knocked off then I would be questioning Nostrum. I don't give a shit how this makes me look. I have maintained that I think that MZ is the SK and I think his lack of kill last night was protown. I know we disagree on that but oh well.
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
I find it hard to believe that a game would be this vig heavy.
I agree but I also think that if we go down the nostrum/MZ rabbit hole today we'll detract from the current discussion.
I've been one of both nostrum and CGI's biggest opponents this game. For now I'm either trusting them or leaving them alone.
I'm happy with a UT lynch today and a Feck or Nightson vig kill.
At some point either nostrum or MZ needs to go. Actually I'm surprised nostrum hasn't volunteered. She usually does when she is town just to remove the wifom.
Hmm.
http://mindromp.org/forum/showpost.php?p=6634&postcount=146
And I continue to not concur with the "one shot day vig and normal vig can't be in the same game" line of thinking.
Almost the same. She's usually ready to self vote. I don't think she's done it once.
What makes you think MZ is the SK as opposed to the vig? Also do you mean a real SK or one of those indie, town compatible SKs that everyone likes to use round these parts.
I find it hard to believe that a game would be this vig heavy.
I agree but I also think that if we go down the nostrum/MZ rabbit hole today we'll detract from the current discussion.
I've been one of both nostrum and CGI's biggest opponents this game. For now I'm either trusting them or leaving them alone.
I'm happy with a UT lynch today and a Feck or Nightson vig kill.
At some point either nostrum or MZ needs to go. Actually I'm surprised nostrum hasn't volunteered. She usually does when she is town just to remove the wifom.
Hmm.
http://mindromp.org/forum/showpost.php?p=6634&postcount=146
And I continue to not concur with the "one shot day vig and normal vig can't be in the same game" line of thinking.
Almost the same. She's usually ready to self vote. I don't think she's done it once.
Uselesstwit
23rd January 2012, 12:47 AM
well guys the flip is going to be town, so i really think eric should be the night kill followed by a feck lynch tomorrow. just my last two cents.
what do you think of Nightson and CGI?
getting worried, it really seems like gib had a read on cgi and he's seemed town. but the last three days lynches have been disasters so i think everyone might want to start with a blank page tomorrow. something weird is going on. Nightson i've also read as town, but i've only seen his scum game once and if he is scum this game, he's made huge improvements.
what do you think of Nightson and CGI?
getting worried, it really seems like gib had a read on cgi and he's seemed town. but the last three days lynches have been disasters so i think everyone might want to start with a blank page tomorrow. something weird is going on. Nightson i've also read as town, but i've only seen his scum game once and if he is scum this game, he's made huge improvements.
Mantisdreamz
23rd January 2012, 12:51 AM
.... these day lynches are being manipulated somehow.
That's the feeling i've been getting.
I'd also like to know exactly what Diva meant yesterday when she said a few times, that 'something is not right'
also, if someone would like to point out where i was actually scumy, i'd love to see it so i can work on it.
Maybe just contributing a bit more, is what i would say.
That's the feeling i've been getting.
I'd also like to know exactly what Diva meant yesterday when she said a few times, that 'something is not right'
also, if someone would like to point out where i was actually scumy, i'd love to see it so i can work on it.
Maybe just contributing a bit more, is what i would say.
Uselesstwit
23rd January 2012, 12:53 AM
sorry, it's been a busy weekend, but it still doesn't change the fact that if that's why i'm getting voted, eric and feck should be much higher on the list. also keep and eye on cgi, thinking back on some of his posts have seemed like they might be setups for self congratulations after a scum game. people might actually want to think for themselves tomorrow, if it's not already to late.
Mantisdreamz
23rd January 2012, 12:55 AM
he's been totally different this game (CGI).
I really think you are town now.
Anyone want to change their vote? Only 5 minutes, I know... and it is annoying. But still.
I really think you are town now.
Anyone want to change their vote? Only 5 minutes, I know... and it is annoying. But still.
ericv00
23rd January 2012, 12:56 AM
To who? Feck?
ericv00
23rd January 2012, 12:56 AM
I thought we had more time...
Magicziggy
23rd January 2012, 12:56 AM
Nope .. If he's town he hasn't demonstrated it. His flip will influence my kill
Mantisdreamz
23rd January 2012, 12:57 AM
To who? Feck?
Feck or Nightson.
UT looks for sure town to me.
Feck or Nightson.
UT looks for sure town to me.
oblivion
23rd January 2012, 01:00 AM
NIGHTFALL!
oblivion
23rd January 2012, 01:02 AM
uselesstwit was vanilla town.
scuse brevity. phoneposting. deadline for night actions is 11 hours from time of nightfall post.
scuse brevity. phoneposting. deadline for night actions is 11 hours from time of nightfall post.
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