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oblivion

17th January 2012, 07:48 PM

Wikipedia and Reddit are going dark tomorrow (Wednesday in the US) to protest this abortion of a bill.

Think it will make a difference? Do you know of any other sites who are participating?

Jerome

17th January 2012, 08:18 PM

Nope, it will not make a difference, just as protests didn't stop the wars; they expanded, and didn't stop the dramatic erosion of civil right; now US citizens can be arrested on US soil, held forever with no court hearing ever, just on suspision. They don't even need probable cause.

oblivion

17th January 2012, 08:35 PM

hey guys, this thread is about SOPA. Don't let Jerome lure you into arguing his hobbyhorses. :D

MSG

17th January 2012, 09:19 PM

don't post in politics. :D
:nada:

nostrum

17th January 2012, 09:22 PM

I won't notice :dunno:

devogue

17th January 2012, 11:17 PM

No Wikipedia for a day?

Shit, how will I ever live?

Oh I know...remember pre-January 2001...

Adenosine

17th January 2012, 11:23 PM

Whoops, my bad. Didn't see this thread.
:D

I think it will make a difference, it will bring it to more people's attention. I imagine the MSM in the US hasn't been giving it much coverage?

Fuzzy

17th January 2012, 11:48 PM

Frig I have a presentation Thursday or Friday, I need wiki :whyyou:

Hermit

18th January 2012, 01:31 AM

Frig I have a presentation Thursday or Friday, I need wiki :whyyou:
You won't be affected by the blackout if you save it to a floppy disc now.

Jerome

18th January 2012, 06:38 AM

No Wikipedia for a day?

hey, but the good news is that government can arrest you forever because they choose to and you have no recourse!

Grumps

18th January 2012, 12:15 PM

Frig I have a presentation Thursday or Friday, I need wiki :whyyou:
You won't be affected by the blackout if you save it to a floppy disc now.

Either that was intentional... or you are archaic going on ancient.

Gawdzilla

18th January 2012, 09:08 PM

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=sopa-opera-white-house&WT.mc_id=SA_DD_20120118
SOPA Opera: White House Shuts Down Online Anti-Piracy Bill

Content providers and users are still far apart on proposed Internet piracy-protection legislation as alternative bill is offered

Rather than deliver an ultimatum to those on either side of the debate, the recent White House statement (https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition-tool/response/combating-online-piracy-while-protecting-open-and-innovative-internet) related to the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and PROTECT IP Act of 2011 (PIPA) encourages the entertainment and technology industries to work together to find a solution. This call for a back-to-the-drawing-board approach to clamping down on Internet (http://www.scientificamerican.com/topic.cfm?id=internet) intellectual-property piracy while preserving free speech has many wondering whether lawmakers will simply rework SOPA (pdf) (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/t2GPO/http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr3261ih/pdf/BILLS-112hr3261ih.pdf) and PIPA (pdf) (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s968is/pdf/BILLS-112s968is.pdf) using different language or if they will take anti-SOPA and anti-PIPA concerns to heart.

The Obama administration is not backing down when it comes to shutting down foreign sites that distribute content illegally. However, the administration's position—articulated by Intellectual Property Enforcement Coordinator Victoria Espinel (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/intellectualproperty/bio_espinel), U.S. Chief Technology Officer Aneesh Chopra (http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/ostp/about/leadershipstaff/chopra) and Cyber Security (http://www.scientificamerican.com/topic.cfm?id=security) Coordinator Howard Schmidt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Schmidt)—also makes it clear that any proposed laws "must not tamper with the technical architecture of the Internet through manipulation of the domain name system (DNS) (http://www.internic.net/faqs/authoritative-dns.html), a foundation of Internet security." In addition, new legislation must target specific lawbreakers rather than broadly punishing Internet intermediaries such as online advertising networks, payment processors and search engines.

Continues...

oblivion

18th January 2012, 09:12 PM

holy shit. a web protest had an effect.

Gawdzilla

18th January 2012, 09:19 PM

holy shit. a web protest had an effect.
I feel the paradigm shift under my feet.
I feel the bill come tumbling down.
I feel my torrents start to trembling
Whenever SOPA's gone down.


Sorry, Carole. :o

Feck

18th January 2012, 10:08 PM

No Wikipedia for a day?

hey, but the good news is that government can arrest you forever because they choose to and you have no recourse!

They always could .

Hermit

19th January 2012, 01:01 PM

holy shit. a web protest had an effect.
Support among lawmakers in the US, Sopa and Pipa, two proposed anti-piracy bills, is waning. The congressmen and senators are finally becoming aware of the bills' civil rights implications.
Eight US lawmakers have withdrawn their support for anti-piracy laws, after "blackout" protests on thousands of internet sites.

Two of the bill's co-sponsors, Marco Rubio from Florida and Roy Blunt from Missouri, are among those backing away.

(Read more here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16623831).)

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57959000/jpg/_57959931_57954777.jpg

Grumps

19th January 2012, 03:47 PM

holy shit. a web protest had an effect.
Support among lawmakers in the US, Sopa and Pipa, two proposed anti-piracy bills, is waning. The congressmen and senators are finally becoming aware of the bills' civil rights implications.
Eight US lawmakers have withdrawn their support for anti-piracy laws, after "blackout" protests on thousands of internet sites.

Two of the bill's co-sponsors, Marco Rubio from Florida and Roy Blunt from Missouri, are among those backing away.

(Read more here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16623831).)

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57959000/jpg/_57959931_57954777.jpg

I think it's more likely they're realising Google is far more influential on the American public than the film industry.

Hermit

19th January 2012, 03:55 PM

holy shit. a web protest had an effect.
Support among lawmakers in the US, Sopa and Pipa, two proposed anti-piracy bills, is waning. The congressmen and senators are finally becoming aware of the bills' civil rights implications.
Eight US lawmakers have withdrawn their support for anti-piracy laws, after "blackout" protests on thousands of internet sites.

Two of the bill's co-sponsors, Marco Rubio from Florida and Roy Blunt from Missouri, are among those backing away.

(Read more here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16623831).)

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57959000/jpg/_57959931_57954777.jpg

I think it's more likely they're realising Google is far more influential on the American public than the film industry.Google has more influence on the masses than News Limited? :rofl:

Earth to Mars, Earth to Mars...

borealis

19th January 2012, 06:56 PM

holy shit. a web protest had an effect.

One stop shopping for the websites and email addresses of reps, senators, etc. was likely a useful part of that web protest. I read that some politicians' websites failed under the onslaught of indignant emails and comments. In the end, even politicans confident in the lethargy of American voters know that they do need enough votes to stay in power, and that really angry people often vote.

Grumps

20th January 2012, 05:21 AM

holy shit. a web protest had an effect.
Support among lawmakers in the US, Sopa and Pipa, two proposed anti-piracy bills, is waning. The congressmen and senators are finally becoming aware of the bills' civil rights implications.
Eight US lawmakers have withdrawn their support for anti-piracy laws, after "blackout" protests on thousands of internet sites.

Two of the bill's co-sponsors, Marco Rubio from Florida and Roy Blunt from Missouri, are among those backing away.

(Read more here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16623831).)

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57959000/jpg/_57959931_57954777.jpg

I think it's more likely they're realising Google is far more influential on the American public than the film industry.Google has more influence on the masses than News Limited? :rofl:

Earth to Mars, Earth to Mars...

Google blacking out with an information page would have a far greater influence on the ordinary person than any News Ltd. article or broadcast.

Google has more users than Ltd. has intl. readers and viewers.

Also, it being on the internet means people have a self-entitlement complex. If google blames SOPA for an inconvenience, people get angry at SOPA for inconveniencing them.

Hermit

20th January 2012, 06:36 AM

Google has more users than Ltd. has intl. readers and viewers.Google processes over two billion searches a day. So what? Murdoch's empire has more influence on people's opinion than Google.

Jerome

20th January 2012, 11:02 PM

holy shit. a web protest had an effect.

It is just a show to get the population accustom to the idea, see, the next one will not be 'as bad' and the people's outrage will be tempered.

Jerome

20th January 2012, 11:05 PM

Do you guys realize that the same corporations that are pining for this control are the one's that promoted and disseminated the tools for 'piracy'?

Jerome

20th January 2012, 11:06 PM

Problem, Reaction, Solution

Hermit

21st January 2012, 12:00 AM

Do you guys realize that the same corporations that are pining for this control are the one's that promoted and disseminated the tools for 'piracy'?
Yes. Most notably Sony, producers of both films and disc-burners. The irony was ubiquitously remarked on for years now.

oblivion

21st January 2012, 12:47 AM

Al Frankin, who supports PIPA sent an email out to supporters today.


Al Franken - U.S. Senator, Minnesota

Dear (oblivion),
As you may know, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has decided not to bring the PROTECT IP Act (the Senate’s version of SOPA) up for a vote next week. And since I’ve heard from many of you about this issue, I wanted to take a moment to share why I support copyright protection legislation – as well as why I believe holding off on this bill is the right thing to do.
As someone who has worked hard to protect net neutrality, I understand as well as anyone the importance of keeping the Internet free from undue corporate influence. There are millions of Americans who rely on a free and open Internet to learn, communicate with friends and family, and do business.
At the same time, there are millions of Americans whose livelihoods rely on strong protections for intellectual property: middle-class workers – most of them union workers – in all 50 states, thousands of them here in Minnesota, working in a variety of industries from film production to publishing to software development.
If we don’t protect our intellectual property, international criminals – as well as legitimate businesses like payment processors and ad networks – will continue to profit dishonestly from the work these Americans are doing every day. And that puts these millions of jobs at serious risk.
That’s reason enough to act. But these criminals are also putting Minnesota families in danger by flooding our nation with counterfeit products – not just bootleg movies and software, but phony medications and knockoff equipment for first responders.
We cannot simply shrug off the threat of online piracy. We cannot do nothing.
I have supported the approach Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy has taken in crafting legislation to respond to the threat of online piracy – and I appreciate his leadership on this important issue.
But I’ve also been listening carefully to the debate – and to the many Minnesotans who have told me via email, Facebook, Twitter, and good old fashioned phone calls that they are worried about what this bill would mean for the future of the Internet.
Frankly, there is a lot of misinformation floating around out there: If this bill really did some of the things people have heard it would do (like shutting down YouTube), I would never have supported it.
But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take seriously the concerns people have shared. And if holding off on this legislation gives us an opportunity to take a step back and try to bring everybody back to the table, I think it’s the right thing to do. This is a difficult issue, and also an important one. It’s worth getting this right.
I strongly believe that we need to protect intellectual property – and protect the free and open Internet. I think most people, even those who have expressed concern about this particular bill, agree. And it’s my hope that we can now build a stronger consensus around how to accomplish these two important goals.
Thanks for reading. And for those of you who have written to me about this issue (even if it was an angry letter), thanks for being honest with me. I’ll always return the favor.

Al

Jerome

21st January 2012, 01:27 AM

I wanted to take a moment to share why I support copyright protection legislation

lol that people think he is a liberal, he was a propaganda tool for the entertainment/information dissemination corporations, and now he is Senator.

:rolleyes:

Jerome

21st January 2012, 01:30 AM

protect net neutrality

this is code for corporation control of information

oblivion

22nd January 2012, 08:55 PM

anyone know how ACTA differs from SOPA/PIPA? Its a European anti-piracy/anti-copyright theft agreement. Did the protests that derailed SOPA/PIPA have much effect on ACTA?

Jerome

22nd January 2012, 09:07 PM

anyone know how ACTA differs from SOPA/PIPA?

It is already pseudo law:

Signed 1 October 2011

Signatories United States, Australia, Canada, Japan, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, and South Korea Parties

negotiating parties: Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia), Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada), the European Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union), Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan), Mexico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico), Morocco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco), New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand), the Republic of Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Korea), Singapore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore), Switzerland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland) and the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)

Grumps

22nd January 2012, 09:17 PM

Google has more users than Ltd. has intl. readers and viewers.Google processes over two billion searches a day. So what? Murdoch's empire has more influence on people's opinion than Google.

It doesn't. Murdoch's media doesn't change opinion, at least not significantly. It reinforces it more than anything.

People are far more sensitive to personal inconvenience than they are to an opinion piece. If google where to shut off for a day, and blame SOPA, the effect would by substantially greater than any Pro-piece Murdoch could make. People would feel personally affected, and think "Gee, if SOPA passes I won't be able to do things as easily".

oblivion

22nd January 2012, 09:26 PM

anyone know how ACTA differs from SOPA/PIPA?

It is already pseudo law:

Signed 1 October 2011

Signatories United States, Australia, Canada, Japan, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, and South Korea Parties

negotiating parties: Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia), Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada), the European Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union), Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan), Mexico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico), Morocco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco), New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand), the Republic of Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Korea), Singapore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore), Switzerland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland) and the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)
thanks, but that doesn't answer either of my questions.

Jerome

22nd January 2012, 09:30 PM

lol I do that sometimes.

Jerome

23rd January 2012, 04:42 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089954/Megaupload-founder-Kim-Dotcom-sprang-electronic-locks-Bond-villain-lair-police-swooped.html

When police officers attempted to arrest the man accused of being one of the world's biggest internet pirates at his multi-million pound mansion, things were a bit trickier than they might have expected.
Instead of giving himself up easily, Kim Dotcom refused to let the police in, activated a number of locking mechanisms in his sprawling home and then hid in a safe room.

Jerome

23rd January 2012, 04:47 AM

File sharing has become a major way corporations collaborate with employees and partners and interact with customers. It fuels the sharing of rich content across Internet-connected devices in the home and office and distributed to mobile devices and has emerged as a major component of cloud computing, the delivery of content and services across the Web.

"If legitimate content is housed on the same service that might have infringing content, it gets sucked into this vortex and it's gone," says Dennis Fisher, security blogger at Threatpost.com. "I don't know how much the government or these companies (advocating strict anti-piracy enforcement) have thought this through. I would guess not a lot."


http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/2012-01-20/megaupload-arrests-FBI/52697186/1

Jerome

25th January 2012, 11:28 PM

ACTA explained - Animation.flv - YouTube