ethics ... what does this word mean to you? page 1
charlou
11th January 2012, 10:57 PM
It's a concept that makes more sense to me since I shed all vestiges of faith-based belief. I was never religious, just misinformed and uninformed. When I trusted myself with the understanding that objective reality just is, that the value of it comes from me, from you, life has taken on more meaning .. and I, and you, are responsible for what comes of it.
I like that.
I like that.
nostrum
12th January 2012, 03:51 AM
Hmm. I think of ethics as the rightness or wrongness of conduct. I've never seen a role for religion in ethics.
Magicziggy
12th January 2012, 06:41 AM
The more I try and think about this... the further I seem to move away from where I started...
I shall come back to this...
I shall come back to this...
Tardigrade
12th January 2012, 10:19 AM
I'm a tard'. What would I need with ethics?
Adenosine
12th January 2012, 11:20 AM
Ethics is one of those things that I know what it is, I just can't articulate it.
oblivion
12th January 2012, 11:37 AM
ethics are the study/discussion of why things are/were right or wrong. Morals are siimply the rules.
ethics are more interesting.
ethics are more interesting.
Floppit
13th January 2012, 11:19 AM
I see ethics as the result of information and debate where as morals govern information and debate.
Ethics 'should' be fluid depending on the best information available to result in a code of behaviour favouring compassion. (Which gives me an idea....)
Ethics 'should' be fluid depending on the best information available to result in a code of behaviour favouring compassion. (Which gives me an idea....)
Magicziggy
13th January 2012, 11:38 AM
It seems when I think of ethics I am drawn into issues around human behavior; what is acceptable in my own mind, and my justification for my stance.
Some examples with my stance outed in cold light.
Abortion: pro choice
Capitol punishment: anti
Animal experimentation: pro
Torture in war time: anti
Stem cell research: pro
Cloning: pro
Non of these issues are as black and white as I make out. Not all are important to me/ impact on my everyday thinking. One in particular has a personal story which I aim to share in due course.
Some examples with my stance outed in cold light.
Abortion: pro choice
Capitol punishment: anti
Animal experimentation: pro
Torture in war time: anti
Stem cell research: pro
Cloning: pro
Non of these issues are as black and white as I make out. Not all are important to me/ impact on my everyday thinking. One in particular has a personal story which I aim to share in due course.
Mr. Mellow
14th January 2012, 01:35 AM
I've never studied ethics, except for the obligatory seminars to keep up my professional certification. I enjoy the discussions of ethical dilemmas that are sometimes posed to get people's juices flowing, but some of them make my head spin.
I do support this form of animal torture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh4DATEKFLc
I do support this form of animal torture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh4DATEKFLc
Hermit
14th January 2012, 01:52 AM
The very word "ethics" has an unfortunate connotation for me. It evokes something out there, in the ontological sky, the sort of thing Plato, who is the only source of Socrates' thoughts. Socrates was the first western philosopher to make ethics a central topic of philosophy, but filtered through platonism we'll never know just how much of that made it so suitable to be appropriated and abused by Roman Catholicism. The subject has been a prisoner of those theologians at least until Spinoza came along.
I am happy to acknowledge that even central tenets of ethics change or 'discovered' over time. For example, who would have thought that with all this talk of 'inalienable rights' during the 17th and 18th century, democracy and suchlike, just over half the human population was excluded? The notion of women as chattel survived beyond the early 20th century suffragette movement by decades, and that is even in the 'advanced' civilisations. I see no reason why major changes in ethics will not continue in the future. In particular, the rampant individualism on which it is based on in the western world at the moment, and which finds its most radical expression in libertarianism, may eventually disappear, and of course the core values of current ethics will adapt to the changed Zeitgeist in much the same way ethics in capitalist societies finished up with very little resemblance to the set of ethics pertaining to feudal, theocratic ones.
Right now I subscribe to humanist values informed by socialist views, and yes, they keep metamorphosing over time, hopefully for the better.
I am happy to acknowledge that even central tenets of ethics change or 'discovered' over time. For example, who would have thought that with all this talk of 'inalienable rights' during the 17th and 18th century, democracy and suchlike, just over half the human population was excluded? The notion of women as chattel survived beyond the early 20th century suffragette movement by decades, and that is even in the 'advanced' civilisations. I see no reason why major changes in ethics will not continue in the future. In particular, the rampant individualism on which it is based on in the western world at the moment, and which finds its most radical expression in libertarianism, may eventually disappear, and of course the core values of current ethics will adapt to the changed Zeitgeist in much the same way ethics in capitalist societies finished up with very little resemblance to the set of ethics pertaining to feudal, theocratic ones.
Right now I subscribe to humanist values informed by socialist views, and yes, they keep metamorphosing over time, hopefully for the better.
charlou
14th January 2012, 02:02 AM
hopefully for the better.
Such a relativist.
;)
Such a relativist.
;)
Exi5tentialist
14th January 2012, 01:31 PM
It's a county in eastern England, with the largest number of people with speech impediments in the British Isles.
charlou
14th January 2012, 01:33 PM
:D
Well hello .. good to see you, Exi5.
Well hello .. good to see you, Exi5.
Exi5tentialist
14th January 2012, 02:26 PM
:D
Well hello .. good to see you, Exi5.
Hi 'lou. Great to see you again.
Well hello .. good to see you, Exi5.
Hi 'lou. Great to see you again.
nostrum
14th January 2012, 05:16 PM
It's a county in eastern England, with the largest number of people with speech impediments in the British Isles.
...you forgot 'and slappers'
...you forgot 'and slappers'
nostrum
14th January 2012, 05:17 PM
It seems when I think of ethics I am drawn into issues around human behavior; what is acceptable in my own mind, and my justification for my stance.
Some examples with my stance outed in cold light.
Abortion: pro choice
Capitol punishment: anti
Animal experimentation: pro
Torture in war time: anti
Stem cell research: pro
Cloning: pro
Non of these issues are as black and white as I make out. Not all are important to me/ impact on my everyday thinking. One in particular has a personal story which I aim to share in due course.
I look forward to hearing it :)
Some examples with my stance outed in cold light.
Abortion: pro choice
Capitol punishment: anti
Animal experimentation: pro
Torture in war time: anti
Stem cell research: pro
Cloning: pro
Non of these issues are as black and white as I make out. Not all are important to me/ impact on my everyday thinking. One in particular has a personal story which I aim to share in due course.
I look forward to hearing it :)
maiforpeace
15th January 2012, 02:42 AM
Ethics is one of those things that I know what it is, I just can't articulate it.
Yes, it's not the easiest to articulate.
Even after joining Ethical Culture Society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical_movement)and being very involved with it for several years, it would be impossible for me to cover it all in a post.
While I learned a lot about ethics through Ethical Culture and it was very interesting, I evolved into a deeper understanding of it, quite in the same way that I did with my Atheism...that it has much more fulfillment and meaning, for me, to simply live my ethics.
I feel the same way about my Atheism, I'm not nearly as hard-ass of an Atheist as I was when I first realized I was one.
Yes, it's not the easiest to articulate.
Even after joining Ethical Culture Society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical_movement)and being very involved with it for several years, it would be impossible for me to cover it all in a post.
While I learned a lot about ethics through Ethical Culture and it was very interesting, I evolved into a deeper understanding of it, quite in the same way that I did with my Atheism...that it has much more fulfillment and meaning, for me, to simply live my ethics.
I feel the same way about my Atheism, I'm not nearly as hard-ass of an Atheist as I was when I first realized I was one.
maiforpeace
15th January 2012, 03:53 AM
I've never studied ethics, except for the obligatory seminars to keep up my professional certification. I enjoy the discussions of ethical dilemmas that are sometimes posed to get people's juices flowing, but some of them make my head spin.
May I ask what your profession is?
If you like discussions of ethical dilemnas, the book Ethics For Everyone: How To Increase Your Moral Intelligence has some scenarios that pose ethical dilemnas that we might all face at some time or another (in parts three and four) that can make for interesting discussion. I already have the book. so if you were interested in buying it and discussing some scenarios with me, I'd love to read it again. This includes anyone else who is interested, we could do a little study group! It's a fairly cheap book too.
May I ask what your profession is?
If you like discussions of ethical dilemnas, the book Ethics For Everyone: How To Increase Your Moral Intelligence has some scenarios that pose ethical dilemnas that we might all face at some time or another (in parts three and four) that can make for interesting discussion. I already have the book. so if you were interested in buying it and discussing some scenarios with me, I'd love to read it again. This includes anyone else who is interested, we could do a little study group! It's a fairly cheap book too.
nostrum
15th January 2012, 05:33 AM
ooh I'll see if it's avail on kindle :thumbsup:
Magicziggy
15th January 2012, 06:03 AM
Not available in my country on kindle.
What a fucking liberty!!!
Wait .... I don't have a kindle.
What a fucking liberty!!!
Wait .... I don't have a kindle.
Magicziggy
15th January 2012, 06:06 AM
If booko can't find it, I think I'm stuffed.
http://booko.com.au/works/2059577
http://booko.com.au/works/2059577
Mr. Mellow
15th January 2012, 07:50 AM
I've never studied ethics, except for the obligatory seminars to keep up my professional certification. I enjoy the discussions of ethical dilemmas that are sometimes posed to get people's juices flowing, but some of them make my head spin.
May I ask what your profession is?
If you like discussions of ethical dilemnas, the book Ethics For Everyone: How To Increase Your Moral Intelligence has some scenarios that pose ethical dilemnas that we might all face at some time or another (in parts three and four) that can make for interesting discussion. I already have the book. so if you were interested in buying it and discussing some scenarios with me, I'd love to read it again. This includes anyone else who is interested, we could do a little study group! It's a fairly cheap book too.
I'll pick up the book, thanks for the offer and recommendation. I'm a land-use planner (growth management policy). My membership in the American Institute of Certified Planners requires courses/seminars on ethics and law (which can be non-academic) every 2 years. The last seminar I attended, in Boston, was taught by Harvard professor, Michael Sandel, which drew from his courses/books on justice. Here's a TED talk to give you an idea of what the guy's like (if you're not already familiar with him). His Harvard lectures on justice are also available on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDLOwKN4G5I
But don't let the fact that I attended a 2-hour seminar with him fool you into thinking I have a firm grasp on the subject. :no:
May I ask what your profession is?
If you like discussions of ethical dilemnas, the book Ethics For Everyone: How To Increase Your Moral Intelligence has some scenarios that pose ethical dilemnas that we might all face at some time or another (in parts three and four) that can make for interesting discussion. I already have the book. so if you were interested in buying it and discussing some scenarios with me, I'd love to read it again. This includes anyone else who is interested, we could do a little study group! It's a fairly cheap book too.
I'll pick up the book, thanks for the offer and recommendation. I'm a land-use planner (growth management policy). My membership in the American Institute of Certified Planners requires courses/seminars on ethics and law (which can be non-academic) every 2 years. The last seminar I attended, in Boston, was taught by Harvard professor, Michael Sandel, which drew from his courses/books on justice. Here's a TED talk to give you an idea of what the guy's like (if you're not already familiar with him). His Harvard lectures on justice are also available on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDLOwKN4G5I
But don't let the fact that I attended a 2-hour seminar with him fool you into thinking I have a firm grasp on the subject. :no:
divagreen
15th January 2012, 08:51 AM
An Ethics forum...:heart:
I think Oblivion nailed the definition as to what it means to me.
Fascinating stuff.
A few years ago I used to belong to a forum where a physics professor, who had a passion for ethics discussions used to start threads with interesting ethical dilemmas. The real meat of the thread would get started around page 40, when after everyone said what they would do in the particular situation being discussed, the posts moved into the why of it and the placement of values and how it progressed into action.
I think Oblivion nailed the definition as to what it means to me.
Fascinating stuff.
A few years ago I used to belong to a forum where a physics professor, who had a passion for ethics discussions used to start threads with interesting ethical dilemmas. The real meat of the thread would get started around page 40, when after everyone said what they would do in the particular situation being discussed, the posts moved into the why of it and the placement of values and how it progressed into action.
Grumps
15th January 2012, 02:25 PM
Ethics is the idea that any one action is better than any other action. It's nonsense, of course. Objectively, everything we do is useless, because the universe will wipe all trace of our existence from memory.
Of course, doing good in spite of that fact makes me warm and fuzzy and think nice things. I don't like that feeling.
Of course, doing good in spite of that fact makes me warm and fuzzy and think nice things. I don't like that feeling.
gib
15th January 2012, 08:11 PM
It's a county in eastern England, with the largest number of people with speech impediments in the British Isles.
...you forgot 'and slappers'
:colbert:
...you forgot 'and slappers'
:colbert:
nostrum
16th January 2012, 05:40 AM
It's a county in eastern England, with the largest number of people with speech impediments in the British Isles.
...you forgot 'and slappers'
:colbert:
Ooh do you hail from there?
...you forgot 'and slappers'
:colbert:
Ooh do you hail from there?
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