Meyers-Briggs, Keirsey personality types page 1

oblivion
16th January 2012, 05:19 PM
I'm ENTP. This sometimes comes as a surprise to people. :??:

What are you?

Poll to come.
charlou
16th January 2012, 05:54 PM
I've seen this .. never clicked on it before. :)
Fuzzy
16th January 2012, 06:43 PM
I seem to oscillate between INTJ and INTP. Of course, this is based on internet quizzes rather than an actual evaluation by a trained psychologist so not necessarily reliable.

I answered INTJ since I get that result more frequently.
Exi5tentialist
16th January 2012, 06:56 PM
ENFP me, apparently.

Interestingly that website spells extrovert as extravert which isn't a typo - the two spellings represent different concepts, because there are two different models of extroversion and introversion in psychology. I used to be an avid reader of the psychologist Dorothy Rowe. She says that an extrovert in popular psychology is gregarious, and extravert in Jungian psychology or neurology is someone who depends on their external reality - a slightly different concept.
divagreen
16th January 2012, 08:06 PM
INFP. :)
nostrum
16th January 2012, 10:15 PM
...now all we need is a psychologist type to come in here and say it's all BS...
borealis
17th January 2012, 12:03 AM
YWIMC!

It's all BS.

/not a psychologist but I read a book once.
Mantisdreamz
17th January 2012, 02:05 AM
INFP
Fuzzy
17th March 2016, 03:22 AM
I seem to oscillate between INTJ and INTP. Of course, this is based on internet quizzes rather than an actual evaluation by a trained psychologist so not necessarily reliable.

I answered INTJ since I get that result more frequently.

I tried this again, and apparently I'm an ENFP now. Apparently, grad school, and also coming out as a transsexual, changes you a little bit.
borealis
17th March 2016, 03:57 AM
Astonishing! :)

Upcoming summer of love, too.
nostrum
17th March 2016, 04:29 AM
Hasn't Fuzzy started that early?
Fuzzy
17th March 2016, 04:48 AM
it's already summer, in my heart
oblivion
17th March 2016, 05:07 AM
That's so sweet!
Majiffy
17th March 2016, 11:45 AM
Astonishing! :)

Upcoming summer of love, too.

Tell me more, you have my interest. :flirt:
Zeluvia
17th March 2016, 03:18 PM
I seem to oscillate between INTJ and INTP. Of course, this is based on internet quizzes rather than an actual evaluation by a trained psychologist so not necessarily reliable.

I answered INTJ since I get that result more frequently.

I tried this again, and apparently I'm an ENFP now. Apparently, grad school, and also coming out as a transsexual, changes you a little bit.

Don't fret, with age you will return to your natural INTJ = )
Imp
17th March 2016, 04:46 PM
Or maybe the test is just unreliable bullshit pop psy
Fuzzy
17th March 2016, 06:52 PM
I seem to oscillate between INTJ and INTP. Of course, this is based on internet quizzes rather than an actual evaluation by a trained psychologist so not necessarily reliable.

I answered INTJ since I get that result more frequently.

I tried this again, and apparently I'm an ENFP now. Apparently, grad school, and also coming out as a transsexual, changes you a little bit.

Don't fret, with age you will return to your natural INTJ = )

Christ, I hope not. I actually like myself now.
nostrum
17th March 2016, 08:43 PM
Or maybe the test is just unreliable bullshit pop psy


Oh sure, hone in on the unreliability and let invalidity feel invalidated, why don't you
Majiffy
17th March 2016, 09:21 PM
Poor invalidity :grouphug:
OmicronPersei8
17th March 2016, 11:09 PM
I seem to oscillate between INTJ and INTP. Of course, this is based on internet quizzes rather than an actual evaluation by a trained psychologist so not necessarily reliable.

I answered INTJ since I get that result more frequently.

I tried this again, and apparently I'm an ENFP now. Apparently, grad school, and also coming out as a transsexual, changes you a little bit.

Don't fret, with age you will return to your natural INTJ = )

Christ, I hope not. I actually like myself now.

I like you better now as well.
rachmarie
29th July 2016, 07:38 PM
And here comes a psychologist :tongue:

And no it actually is not all BS, this test really can tell you a lot about yourself. Though it is annoying to me because more than half the time on the M-B test, I want to not choose but pick BOTH, it actually came up with really accurate results.


I am an ENFP or Advocate sometimes called Campaigner

However I am actually an ambivert. I can recharge either in a group setting or alone/with one other person reading a good book. My scores on the Extrovert/Introvert questions are almost even with a slightly higher E than I

I also score almost perfectly even on the Thinking/Feeling leg of the test. With F being just a bit higher than T.

On the Intuitive/Sensing leg I am extremely N (Intuitive).

On the J/P I am fairly solidly Perceiving.

Which explains why so many questions drove me nuts wanting to say BOTH having two legs so close to identical is rather unusual.

It means I am very close to being an ENTP, (Debater) an INFP, (Mediator) and an INTP (Logician) as well as ENFP.

https://www.16personalities.com/personality-types for more info about the types
Majiffy
29th July 2016, 08:31 PM
INTJ here
rachmarie
29th July 2016, 08:46 PM
Yeah that makes a lot of sense to me knowing what I know about you totally makes sense.
MSG
29th July 2016, 09:30 PM
Nope
rachmarie
29th July 2016, 09:32 PM
Nope about what?
MSG
29th July 2016, 09:40 PM
this test really can tell you a lot about yourself:nope:
rachmarie
29th July 2016, 09:47 PM
It did me but I can understand it not working for everyone :)

one thing I know a lot of people get confused on the extrovert/introvert leg. Its not about being shy or something it is about how do you recharge your batteries. Do crowds drain you or energize you? Do you find sitting by yourself or with just one maybe two people more energizing?
nostrum
29th July 2016, 10:58 PM
http://cdn.slowrobot.com/101320141951115.jpg
nostrum
29th July 2016, 11:00 PM
MBTI is a fun pop quiz. Not reliable, not valid, but fun :shrug:
rachmarie
29th July 2016, 11:23 PM
I will agree to disagree and bow out :)

(yeah I am a diplomatic person lol).
Dionysus
29th July 2016, 11:44 PM
Myers Briggs :gun:
gib
30th July 2016, 12:13 AM
typical Gemini there
rachmarie
30th July 2016, 12:19 AM
who is a Gem? My son was a Gem, one of my exes too.

I of course am a Sagi
Dionysus
30th July 2016, 12:53 AM
Hate to speak ill of the dead but if I'd ever had the misfortune to meet Isabel Briggs Myers I would have been seriously tempted to roll up a personality assessment form and bang it so far up a nostril with a large mallet that her personality would have been radically and permanently improved.
rachmarie
30th July 2016, 12:55 AM
that would be an extreme form of behavioral modification
:morningcoffee:
borealis
30th July 2016, 01:07 AM
Dio's a bit of a whatever works guy. :unsure:
Dionysus
30th July 2016, 01:16 AM
I'll rant more on that when sober ...
rachmarie
30th July 2016, 01:17 AM
Maybe I should put him in touch with a couple of my exes then so he can use his behavioral modification techniques on them :P
Majiffy
30th July 2016, 01:20 AM
It's about $250 a session but if you want to sign up for a 6 month contract the price drops to $150 a session, at two sessions a week.

Various installment plans are available for financing.
rachmarie
30th July 2016, 01:34 AM
Umm considering the ones I am thinking of, that would be a bargain, might let the first one off since he did already have a lesson behind the bleachers at a high school football game from one of my guy friends. It worked though, he stopped stalking me.
Facetious
31st July 2016, 12:23 PM
Hate to speak ill of the dead but if I'd ever had the misfortune to meet Isabel Briggs Myers I would have been seriously tempted to roll up a personality assessment form and bang it so far up a nostril with a large mallet that her personality would have been radically and permanently improved.

I've found the perfect personality test for you.

Are you a curmudgeon? (https://www.helloquizzy.com/tests/the-are-you-a-curmudgeon-test)
Carlsson
31st July 2016, 12:41 PM
Fucking lol dion
Prince Humperdinck
31st July 2016, 12:54 PM
who is a Gem? My son was a Gem, one of my exes too.

I of course am a Sagi

Us Geminis don't believe in astrology. :stuckup:
rachmarie
31st July 2016, 01:04 PM
You scored 3 on the Curmudgeon-o-meter!
That means you occasionally have a niggle. Not only are you far from being a true curmudgeon you hardly reach the status of a sour puss.

Have you tried dwelling on the everyday cruelties that life has inflicted on you? What about the mundane idiocy of day to day life? Think about it - the fire may come, but most have written you off for curmudgeon kind.

You are just too nice. Yuk!
rachmarie
31st July 2016, 01:05 PM
Thats about my usual response to the online tests measuring things like level of bitchiness too lol
borealis
31st July 2016, 01:18 PM
who is a Gem? My son was a Gem, one of my exes too.

I of course am a Sagi

Us Geminis don't believe in astrology. :stuckup:

Also Gemini, also dbia: so it's true, us geminis are unbelievers. I bet you don't believe Ouija boards connect you with ghosts and demons either. :nod:
Carlsson
31st July 2016, 01:51 PM
what a boring fucking thread
rachmarie
31st July 2016, 02:08 PM
LOL then why are you reading it :P
Carlsson
31st July 2016, 02:15 PM
mind your own bizniz :stuckup:
rachmarie
31st July 2016, 02:17 PM
♥ you too, dude
Majiffy
31st July 2016, 02:55 PM
Hate to speak ill of the dead but if I'd ever had the misfortune to meet Isabel Briggs Myers I would have been seriously tempted to roll up a personality assessment form and bang it so far up a nostril with a large mallet that her personality would have been radically and permanently improved.

I've found the perfect personality test for you.

Are you a curmudgeon? (https://www.helloquizzy.com/tests/the-are-you-a-curmudgeon-test)
You scored 11 on the Curmudgeon-o-meter!
That makes you dour and repressed, but you have yet to reach the status of the true curmudgeon. At best you are a gifted amateur, at worst simply a normal person having a bad day.

Have you tried dwelling on the everyday cruelties that life has inflicted on you? What about the mundane idiocy of day to day life? Think about it - the fire will come.

Could do better. Must try harder.
:nada:
rachmarie
31st July 2016, 03:10 PM
you are more of a curmudgeon than me Jiffy lol
Majiffy
31st July 2016, 03:12 PM
:dunno: You've been around longer than I have, why do you have faith in humanity?
rachmarie
31st July 2016, 03:15 PM
Because

Even though there is sickness, evil, and other horrible things out there.

There is still love in the world and love is stronger than any other force. Well except for gravity of course lol.

But love is there and it is strong and it shines, maybe not as clearly as the pain and misery, but it does shine.

Or maybe I am just a bit too much like PollyAnna I have been accused of that a time or two :P
Majiffy
31st July 2016, 03:19 PM
Yes but there's so many stupid people.
Imp
31st July 2016, 03:20 PM
I think I'm gonna throw up.
Imp
31st July 2016, 03:20 PM
FFS jiffy
Majiffy
31st July 2016, 03:26 PM
:smile:
rachmarie
31st July 2016, 03:28 PM
yes there are stupid people.

But not everyone is stupid and those who are not make it all worthwhile.
rachmarie
31st July 2016, 03:29 PM
(hands imp a bucket for that throwing up thing) :hmph:
MSG
31st July 2016, 09:46 PM
I also scored 5 sourpuss. The test is clearly wrong.
Facetious
31st July 2016, 09:58 PM
Hate to speak ill of the dead but if I'd ever had the misfortune to meet Isabel Briggs Myers I would have been seriously tempted to roll up a personality assessment form and bang it so far up a nostril with a large mallet that her personality would have been radically and permanently improved.

I've found the perfect personality test for you.

Are you a curmudgeon? (https://www.helloquizzy.com/tests/the-are-you-a-curmudgeon-test)
You scored 11 on the Curmudgeon-o-meter!
That makes you dour and repressed, but you have yet to reach the status of the true curmudgeon. At best you are a gifted amateur, at worst simply a normal person having a bad day.

Have you tried dwelling on the everyday cruelties that life has inflicted on you? What about the mundane idiocy of day to day life? Think about it - the fire will come.

Could do better. Must try harder.
:nada:

:fistbump:
Facetious
31st July 2016, 09:58 PM
I also scored 5 sourpuss. The test is clearly wrong.

Yes, you're at least a 10.
rachmarie
31st July 2016, 09:59 PM
i guess the 3 is pretty accurate about me eh? lol
Kami
31st July 2016, 10:55 PM
INTP

:frog:
Dionysus
1st August 2016, 12:49 PM
Hate to speak ill of the dead but if I'd ever had the misfortune to meet Isabel Briggs Myers I would have been seriously tempted to roll up a personality assessment form and bang it so far up a nostril with a large mallet that her personality would have been radically and permanently improved.

I've found the perfect personality test for you.

Are you a curmudgeon? (https://www.helloquizzy.com/tests/the-are-you-a-curmudgeon-test)
You scored 11 on the Curmudgeon-o-meter!
That makes you dour and repressed, but you have yet to reach the status of the true curmudgeon. At best you are a gifted amateur, at worst simply a normal person having a bad day.

Have you tried dwelling on the everyday cruelties that life has inflicted on you? What about the mundane idiocy of day to day life? Think about it - the fire will come.

Could do better. Must try harder.
:nada:

You gotta be fucking joking Jiffy - right? You'll be waiting a very long time for me to complete some tosser's jerkoff test.
Facetious
1st August 2016, 12:58 PM
:tiphat:
Brother Daniel
1st August 2016, 02:36 PM
Sickeningly Nice!

You scored -1 on the Curmudgeon-o-meter!
You are sickeningly nice. You forgive those who do you wrong, you are understanding to those who get things wrong.

You might think this is good. You might think this is reasonable. But remember it is your gut churningly sweet nature that is the very reason why curmudgeons curmudge.

Get out of my sight!
rachmarie
1st August 2016, 02:43 PM
Someone who is less of a curmudgeon than me wow :oooh:
Majiffy
1st August 2016, 02:49 PM
Speaking of curmudgeon'ness, I lost some fake internet points on Imgur last night arguing with people about how they should have a little personal responsibility before having children.

Seems to me there's an awful lot of angry irresponsible teen moms on the internet that can't accept they made a mistake.

:sneakup:
rachmarie
1st August 2016, 02:59 PM
uggh yeah like the couple who accosted me at Walmart a couple weeks ago eh?

SEVEN KIDS from baby in arms to maybe 12 or 13?

Sure I would give anything to have my son back, sure I wish I had had maybe one or two more kids when I had the chance. Who in their right mind would ever want SEVEN though :gun:
borealis
1st August 2016, 03:23 PM
Eh, it's easy enough. Some people shouldn't have one kid. I am not worried about good parents having half a dozen. No need to go quiverful, but I've known lots of happy large families.
Majiffy
1st August 2016, 03:25 PM
Well it was
[Complaint about working nights]
"I've worked nights. It's nice to have the days to actually get things done without having to take off work."
[What about parents]
"Don't have kids if you aren't domestically/financially stable enough to have them"
[THAT'S NOT THE ONLY TIME BABIES HAPPEN *TRIGGER*]
"Yeah there's literally only one way babies happen. Did you miss sex ed?"
[WHAT ABOUT DISEASE]
"Uh"
[RAPE]
"Unfortunate but minority case"
[SITUATIONS WHERE THE GUY THINKS HES GOING TO JAIL]
"???"
rachmarie
1st August 2016, 03:32 PM
umm yeah in the case of the family I am talking about they are full board quiverfull types.

After all they wanted to drag me to their church "for my own good".


Jiffy
Yes to some extent that is true, though I will say my son was somewhat unplanned lol. I was also 20 and a total mess about then bouncing from bf to bf, and not dealing with the trauma yet. I thought I had to have a man to be someone. Gotta love that Evangelical make women feel like crap stuff ... NOT
borealis
1st August 2016, 03:40 PM
Lol Jiffy! People are going to have kids. Not all of us have a strong biological urge to have children, but some have it so strongly that they'll endure costly and painful treatments in order to resolve fertility problems. And you're naïve if you think birth control is foolproof. The options all have flaws and so do the users. Think of all the dumb things you've done in the past seven or eight years. Now consider you were a girl/woman over that time.
borealis
1st August 2016, 03:42 PM
umm yeah in the case of the family I am talking about they are full board quiverfull types.

After all they wanted to drag me to their church "for my own good".


Jiffy
Yes to some extent that is true, though I will say my son was somewhat unplanned lol. I was also 20 and a total mess about then bouncing from bf to bf, and not dealing with the trauma yet. I thought I had to have a man to be someone. Gotta love that Evangelical make women feel like crap stuff ... NOT

You know that culture is virtually nonexistent outside the Bible Belt. Seriously, ignore that stuff, I don't understand why you give people like that the time of day. Don't even engage, smile, nod, walk away.
Majiffy
1st August 2016, 03:43 PM
Lol Jiffy! People are going to have kids. Not all of us have a strong biological urge to have children, but some have it so strongly that they'll endure costly and painful treatments in order to resolve fertility problems. And you're naïve if you think birth control is foolproof. The options all have flaws and so do the users. Think of all the dumb things you've done in the past seven or eight years. Now consider you were a girl/woman over that time.
1) If you make a poor decision then you should live with the consequences, not whine about it on the internet.

2) That's why we have multiple forms of birth control, for both men and women. Also other options if those controls fail. You don't have a child in this day and age unless you knowingly and intentfully have a child
borealis
1st August 2016, 03:53 PM
You really are naïve. Birth control and abortion aren't so cut and dried, certainly not as simple and accessible as you seem to think.

That aside, yeah, probably most parents with children wanted children, and some of them weren't super intelligent about it or perfectly prepared and it's tougher than they expected. They're still allowed to complain about it on the internet, why the hell not? They have to vent somewhere.
Dionysus
1st August 2016, 03:54 PM
You know who else made a poor decision? Isabel Briggs Myers but it's the rest of us poor saps who have to endlessly live with the consequences.
Majiffy
1st August 2016, 03:59 PM
You really are naïve. Birth control and abortion aren't so cut and dried, certainly not as simple and accessible as you seem to think.

Well then maybe this is the discussion we should be having

It's 2016, why the hell not
Brother Daniel
1st August 2016, 04:23 PM
Gotta hear more about Dio's crazy hate-on for poor Isabel.
Carlsson
1st August 2016, 04:28 PM
yeah i want a dion rant born in frustration
Facetious
1st August 2016, 04:53 PM
Well it was
[Complaint about working nights]
"I've worked nights. It's nice to have the days to actually get things done without having to take off work."
[What about parents]
"Don't have kids if you aren't domestically/financially stable enough to have them"
[THAT'S NOT THE ONLY TIME BABIES HAPPEN *TRIGGER*]
"Yeah there's literally only one way babies happen. Did you miss sex ed?"
[WHAT ABOUT DISEASE]
"Uh"
[RAPE]
"Unfortunate but minority case"
[SITUATIONS WHERE THE GUY THINKS HES GOING TO JAIL]
"???"

What's your problem?

Here is a person who is working night shift while raising a child, and complaining about working night shift. Fair enough, night shifts are tough when you have children . You're being bang out of order telling them they shouldn't have had kids if they weren't domestically/financially stable. If this is a teen mother, then she's clearly taking domestic and financial responsibility for raising her child. She's not expecting the state to support her.
Dionysus
1st August 2016, 05:05 PM
Well alright then.



Back in the past before people became properly insane, if you went for a job interview you would have an in depth talk with the person you would be working for or the department head or some such. This person had worked in the field for a considerable length of time and knew all about it and what the requisite skill sets and attitudes were. That person was likely a bit older with plenty of life experience and good reliable intuitions about people and how particular personalities were likely to fit into the existing structures and teams.

That was in the days before someone invented a handy way to deskill the interview process. Now what happens is some gormless twenty something year old in Human Resources who managed to scrape through a two week bullshit course is employing things like dopey Myers–Briggs methodology to select people who are both older and vastly more qualified and experienced than they themselves for jobs about which they know the square root of fuck all.
Carlsson
1st August 2016, 05:11 PM
:smug:
rachmarie
1st August 2016, 05:18 PM
I agree that is fairly accurate in a lot of cases.

Not that being young is always a sign of not knowing stuff. Some of my friends who are in their late 20s actually know more than some of the peeps my age.

But yes I too get annoyed at seeing people who are not psychologists use tools from psychology without more than a couple of weeks training or maybe ONE friggin psych course.

Try taking a Major in Psych and finishing all but Stats and Experimental Psych.
Try having a concentration in Exceptional Child and Youth which is a grand total of 3 courses about special ed and all the rest is Psych courses.
Try running seminars for the mental health dept. *unpaid but still
Try being in educational courses which are usually more than half psych based.
And even I do not feel like I know everything about Psychology.

someone with ONE class or a 2 week training yeah I don't think so...
nostrum
1st August 2016, 05:43 PM
Do you have a psych degree rach?
Imp
1st August 2016, 05:50 PM
Well alright then.



Back in the past before people became properly insane, if you went for a job interview you would have an in depth talk with the person you would be working for or the department head or some such. This person had worked in the field for a considerable length of time and knew all about it and what the requisite skill sets and attitudes were. That person was likely a bit older with plenty of life experience and good reliable intuitions about people and how particular personalities were likely to fit into the existing structures and teams.

That was in the days before someone invented a handy way to deskill the interview process. Now what happens is some gormless twenty something year old in Human Resources who managed to scrape through a two week bullshit course is employing things like dopey Myers–Briggs methodology to select people who are both older and vastly more qualified and experienced than they themselves for jobs about which they know the square root of fuck all.



PPA these days actually.
rachmarie
1st August 2016, 05:51 PM
I would have had a double degree including Psych had I found a tutor for the algebra part of the Statistics course. But none of the math tutors wanted anything to do with Stats they acted like it was the well red headed stepchild of math.

Took the class THREE times and finally said f it and settled for a minor even though I have more courses than most Psych majors with both a BA and a MA
Brother Daniel
1st August 2016, 06:06 PM
But none of the math tutors wanted anything to do with Stats they acted like it was the well red headed stepchild of math.
I dunno about red headed, but yeah, stats is math's psychotic stepchild who has to be kept chained in the dungeon.
nostrum
1st August 2016, 06:08 PM
stats is what makes psychology a science :stuckup:
rachmarie
1st August 2016, 06:14 PM
but math...math is hard.
rachmarie
1st August 2016, 06:18 PM
Sometimes though I kinda wished, even if it meant I had to do a LOT of math tutoring that I had taken my dad's advice and either gone full out software engineer like he did, or at least gone for web design and coding online stuffs.

I told him I wanted to do something with people not sit chained to a computer for 8 hours a day.

I sit chained to a computer for more like 12 to 16 hours a day a lot of the time, and make less money doing it atm at least LOL
Brother Daniel
1st August 2016, 07:23 PM
but math...math is hard.
math is my happy place
:nerd:
Majiffy
1st August 2016, 07:27 PM
What's your problem?

Here is a person who is working night shift while raising a child, and complaining about working night shift. Fair enough, night shifts are tough when you have children . You're being bang out of order telling them they shouldn't have had kids if they weren't domestically/financially stable. If this is a teen mother, then she's clearly taking domestic and financial responsibility for raising her child. She's not expecting the state to support her.

While it's admirable that they are trying to make ends meet without relying on state assistance let's not pretend bringing a child into an unstable financial or domestic situation is responsible or applaudable whatsoever.
rachmarie
1st August 2016, 07:32 PM
Was for my dad too. He started out in anthropology went all the way up to candidacy for PhD in it. Then the field dried up and he had trouble getting the funding he needed to do his field work in New Guinea.

So he went back to school got a second Bachelor this time in Computer Science with a double minor in math and physics. Was a double major with the math, but had to hurry up graduation and get a job since that was about the time his 2nd wife left him to marry another guy. They were still good friend just like he was with my mom. He actually did the photography for both of his ex wives 2nd weddings.

I always thought it suited him better than anthro since my dad made most introverts look extroverted. I encouraged him to do his diving trips and his shooting league so he would get some social interaction besides sitting in front of a computer screen at work writing code, and being at home alone with his cat. It was more so then because he was not online and never really did much with online other than a couple gun forums, but not anything like we all do socially online.
borealis
1st August 2016, 07:51 PM
What's your problem?

Here is a person who is working night shift while raising a child, and complaining about working night shift. Fair enough, night shifts are tough when you have children . You're being bang out of order telling them they shouldn't have had kids if they weren't domestically/financially stable. If this is a teen mother, then she's clearly taking domestic and financial responsibility for raising her child. She's not expecting the state to support her.

While it's admirable that they are trying to make ends meet without relying on state assistance let's not pretend bringing a child into an unstable financial or domestic situation is responsible or applaudable whatsoever.

Guess what? There's no such thing as a 'stable domestic/financial situation in which to have a child. I mean, you can try. But life is unpredictable, people are unpredictable, employment is unpredictable, relationships are unpredictable.
Majiffy
1st August 2016, 08:02 PM
Well I'm not exactly advocating people go popping out children in this world either so :dunno:
borealis
1st August 2016, 08:30 PM
You don't have to. It's your choice to not have children and to argue against having any if you like. However 'this world' is currently, in some large parts, experiencing one of the safer times in which to have children. And reproduction is a human drive, as it is for all other life forms.
Prince Humperdinck
1st August 2016, 09:10 PM
who is a Gem? My son was a Gem, one of my exes too.

I of course am a Sagi

Us Geminis don't believe in astrology. :stuckup:

Also Gemini, also dbia: so it's true, us geminis are unbelievers. I bet you don't believe Ouija boards connect you with ghosts and demons either. :nod:

Please define ghost, demon and connect.
Majiffy
1st August 2016, 09:14 PM
You don't have to. It's your choice to not have children and to argue against having any if you like. However 'this world' is currently, in some large parts, experiencing one of the safer times in which to have children. And reproduction is a human drive, as it is for all other life forms.

:colbert: I refuse to submit to base animalistic instincts merely because they exist.
Majiffy
1st August 2016, 09:15 PM
Now excuse me I have to go masturbate feverously.
Facetious
1st August 2016, 09:33 PM
What's your problem?

Here is a person who is working night shift while raising a child, and complaining about working night shift. Fair enough, night shifts are tough when you have children . You're being bang out of order telling them they shouldn't have had kids if they weren't domestically/financially stable. If this is a teen mother, then she's clearly taking domestic and financial responsibility for raising her child. She's not expecting the state to support her.

While it's admirable that they are trying to make ends meet without relying on state assistance let's not pretend bringing a child into an unstable financial or domestic situation is responsible or applaudable whatsoever.

Why would you tell a woman already in that situation that she shouldn't have had the child? I don't understand why you would do such a thing. Telling a young woman who is struggling ''tough shit, you should have had an abortion'' * is a horrendous thing to say. It demeans you the person saying it.

*paraphrasing
MSG
1st August 2016, 09:42 PM
Kids are great and they make you happy
Brother Daniel
1st August 2016, 10:00 PM
I'm a big believer in being allowed to whine on the internet, even when the situation you're whining about is largely self-inflicted.
Majiffy
1st August 2016, 10:11 PM
What's your problem?

Here is a person who is working night shift while raising a child, and complaining about working night shift. Fair enough, night shifts are tough when you have children . You're being bang out of order telling them they shouldn't have had kids if they weren't domestically/financially stable. If this is a teen mother, then she's clearly taking domestic and financial responsibility for raising her child. She's not expecting the state to support her.

While it's admirable that they are trying to make ends meet without relying on state assistance let's not pretend bringing a child into an unstable financial or domestic situation is responsible or applaudable whatsoever.

Why would you tell a woman already in that situation that she shouldn't have had the child? I don't understand why you would do such a thing. Telling a young woman who is struggling ''tough shit, you should have had an abortion'' * is a horrendous thing to say. It demeans you the person saying it.

*paraphrasing
Well I don't know for certain if that person has a child or if they were just arguing for the sake of arguing as people do on Imgur.

But I also don't think we should coddle people just because they're trying to defend a shit decision.
Majiffy
1st August 2016, 10:12 PM
I'm a big believer in being allowed to whine on the internet, even when the situation you're whining about is largely self-inflicted.
Let me rephrase

Whine all you want, but don't get upset when someone calls you out on your shit
Brother Daniel
2nd August 2016, 12:10 AM
We have to navigate through a million "oughts" in life. Many decision points come with an "ought": I ought to do this, I ought not to do that.

After a decision is made and acted upon, we can put these same judgements in the past tense. I ought not to have done this, I ought to have done that instead.

Nothing wrong with making such judgements as a purely academic matter. But there's something unhelpful about dwelling on them. What's done is done, so where do I go now? That's usually a better question than "what should I have done differently?".

And when the "ought to have done differently" judgement touches on reproduction, well, those thoughts can be much worse than unhelpful. They can be completely toxic. Even when they're true.

Consider: You're dealing with a poor, struggling person who happens to be a parent. The existence of the child contributes hugely to their stress. You can make a really good case for the claim that they shouldn't have reproduced. But to say that they shouldn't have reproduced is to say that the kid shouldn't exist. What happens if the parent really takes that message to heart? Mightn't it poison the relationship between the parent and the kid?

Bringing up a child isn't easy at the best of times. (Well, maybe it is easy for some people. Good for them.) But doing so when the child's very existence comes with an "ought not" attached?

I'm not doing a very good job of articulating my thoughts here. I should come back to it later.
Magicziggy
2nd August 2016, 12:15 AM
It's a pretty good job.
Majiffy
2nd August 2016, 12:23 AM
I'd just as soon assume they poison the child instead of the relationship :dunno:
Brother Daniel
2nd August 2016, 02:28 AM
Well yeah. When a parent is seriously entertaining the thought that the kid ought not to exist, it really sucks for the kid.

And that's why "you shouldn't have reproduced" is a bad message.


(I suppose my whole tl;dr could be read as THINK OF THE CHILDREN)
Majiffy
2nd August 2016, 02:33 AM
Shhh shhhh

Just go to sleep
Kami
2nd August 2016, 03:44 AM
the more i think about kids the less i want them but id want atleast one when im like 30

:awesome:
Majiffy
2nd August 2016, 04:30 AM
the more i think about kids the less i want them
:christyes:

but id want atleast one when im like 30
:noo:
rachmarie
2nd August 2016, 04:32 AM
Kids are not a possibility for me

I am spayed
Kami
2nd August 2016, 05:10 AM
the more i think about kids the less i want them
:christyes:

but id want atleast one when im like 30
:noo:

:kamigif:
Kami
2nd August 2016, 05:11 AM
Kids are not a possibility for me

I am spayed

when i was younger i always wanted to adopt considering i have a genetic disease where 3/5th of my children would get it

idk what id do now though i still have like 10 years to think about it though
rachmarie
2nd August 2016, 05:16 AM
Well I had my son Ben for 18 1/2 years, but after he passed away I made the decision to tie my tubes it was difficult, but I wanted to go back to school and my health and so on, I was not in a place to have another child.
rachmarie
2nd August 2016, 05:18 AM
My cousins have considered that too. My cousin Scot even though the odds of having a child with some of the genetic stuff with the vision and hearing losses, is fairly slim, refuses to even consider ever having a child. My cousin Rebecca still thinks about it and would like to have a child or two.
Imp
2nd August 2016, 07:56 AM
I'm with jiffy. Children should be banned. They're disgusting, irritating creatures and I don't want to have to put up with them.

If you must reproduce, at least don't take them outside where I can see and/or smell them.
nostrum
2nd August 2016, 08:14 AM
I'll send you pics of them enjoying their lives!
Carlsson
2nd August 2016, 08:18 AM
Having kids is the best thing that has happened to me, when you get home for the weekend you get them high on sugar and play all night trying to not wake evil ice queen, then when you get fed up with them you conviniently remember that project in the garage
nostrum
2nd August 2016, 08:19 AM
wait you have kids now?
Carlsson
2nd August 2016, 08:23 AM
Three daughters
Carlsson
2nd August 2016, 08:24 AM
I want an entire swan lake assembly but im facing resistance
Imp
2nd August 2016, 08:29 AM
I'll send you pics of them enjoying their lives!

Indoors?
nostrum
2nd August 2016, 08:31 AM
of course not :smug:
Facetious
2nd August 2016, 09:14 AM
I'm with jiffy. Children should be banned. They're disgusting, irritating creatures and I don't want to have to put up with them.

If you must reproduce, at least don't take them outside where I can see and/or smell them.


http://tomandlorenzo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang-Musical-Monday-Tom-Lorenzo-Site-TLO-44.jpg
Facetious
2nd August 2016, 09:18 AM
Kids are not a possibility for me

I am spayed

when i was younger i always wanted to adopt considering i have a genetic disease where 3/5th of my children would get it

idk what id do now though i still have like 10 years to think about it though

They can do things about this now, screen the embryo's etc.
MSG
2nd August 2016, 09:22 AM
relevant http://talkrational.org/archive/showthread.php?t=31306
Imp
2nd August 2016, 09:40 AM
of course not :smug:

:glare:
Majiffy
2nd August 2016, 02:57 PM
I'll send you pics of them enjoying their lives!

No!

People like Imp and I stay inside for a reason!
rachmarie
2nd August 2016, 03:14 PM
Inside can be a good thing, especially when it is 95 F and there is a thunderstorm with a ton of rain out your door.
borealis
2nd August 2016, 05:12 PM
A ton of rain in that heat sounds wonderful, like swimming without a body of water. Just stay away from tall things.
rachmarie
2nd August 2016, 05:21 PM
Actually it feels like being trapped 24/7 in a sauna

give me 105 in 20% humidity yes.... I will never complain about the heat in the Central Valley of California ever again.
Majiffy
2nd August 2016, 05:24 PM
A ton of rain in that heat sounds wonderful, like swimming without a body of water. Just stay away from tall things.

:noo:
Brother Daniel
2nd August 2016, 05:31 PM
Here, it's about 22oC today (or about 72oF). Just the way a summer day ought to be. :)

(Actually, it would be perfect if the humidity were a bit lower. But I'm not complaining.)
rachmarie
2nd August 2016, 05:34 PM
I would be happy to trade dude seriously Im walking around in soup here.
Imp
2nd August 2016, 05:52 PM
Actually it feels like being trapped 24/7 in a sauna

give me 105 in 20% humidity yes.... I will never complain about the heat in the Central Valley of California ever again.

What do you yanks think a sauna is, exactly?
rachmarie
2nd August 2016, 05:56 PM
I am not a Yank I am a Californian :P

Well around here they are usually very hot, filled with tons of steam to basically clear out your pores and such. However, you are not supposed to live in a sauna 24/7.

I am running my AC 24/7 at 80 and hoping I get enough client work to cover the electric bill. I want to drop it lower than 80 but just can't justify the cost atm.
Kami
2nd August 2016, 11:34 PM
California fucking sucks when it gets hot
i got so hot a couple weeks ago I got a nose bleed

i live in the bay area though so its not that hot unless i travel

:frog:
rachmarie
2nd August 2016, 11:40 PM
I grew up in Oakdale, CA near Modesto I LOVE the Bay Area.
Believe me though 105 with 20% humidity is NOTHING compared to 95 and like 90 or higher % humidity.
Majiffy
2nd August 2016, 11:41 PM
California fucking sucks when it gets hot
i got so hot a couple weeks ago I got a nose bleed

i live in the bay area though so its not that hot unless i travel

:frog:

You live in the bay area?

I'm gonna need you to adopt me ASAP. I can be your manchild.
rachmarie
2nd August 2016, 11:43 PM
LOL

It is wonderful to live there Jiffy I loved it during those 3 years in San Jose. I would live there again in a heartbeat even if it did mean giving up my goal to own a house uggh homes in the Bay Area are outrageous.
Kami
2nd August 2016, 11:44 PM
I live in Sonoma county and I always used to want to move but after seeing other places I'm like holy shit where I live is so much better.

I like how there is so much nature and places to hike, the beaches kinda suck though cause cold
:frog:
Kami
2nd August 2016, 11:45 PM
California fucking sucks when it gets hot
i got so hot a couple weeks ago I got a nose bleed

i live in the bay area though so its not that hot unless i travel

:frog:

You live in the bay area?

I'm gonna need you to adopt me ASAP. I can be your manchild.

:owned::owned::owned::owned::owned::owned:
Majiffy
2nd August 2016, 11:45 PM
LOL

It is wonderful to live there Jiffy I loved it during those 3 years in San Jose. I would live there again in a heartbeat even if it did mean giving up my goal to own a house uggh homes in the Bay Area are outrageous.

Visited San Fran for a week, absolutely fell in love with the city.

I could walk around and just FIND BANDS ON THE STREET
PLAYING

ANY NIGHT I WANTED

it was glorious
Kami
2nd August 2016, 11:48 PM
Would you really want to live in SF though majiffy
:staregonk:
rachmarie
2nd August 2016, 11:48 PM
I fell in love with SF when I was little. It broke my heart when my granpa Joe ended up having to sell his Great Aunt Sophie's house out on Wawona St. Right by the Irish Cultural Center, the beach, the zoo, and a nice lil Greek restaurant that was the original place they sold the Its It ice cream bars.
Kami
2nd August 2016, 11:54 PM
Ive always liked the houses they have especially near the beach but I would never want to live in the city itself I go to SF about once a week and I hate driving there its confirmed the worst
Kami
2nd August 2016, 11:54 PM
I fell in love with SF when I was little. It broke my heart when my granpa Joe ended up having to sell his Great Aunt Sophie's house out on Wawona St. Right by the Irish Cultural Center, the beach, the zoo, and a nice lil Greek restaurant that was the original place they sold the Its It ice cream bars.

omg i love its it
:honeybees:
Majiffy
2nd August 2016, 11:55 PM
Would you really want to live in SF though majiffy
:staregonk:
Why not?

I mean Soylent is HQ'ed there so

I could probably get a gig with them and then just get paid in Soylent.
Majiffy
2nd August 2016, 11:56 PM
I fell in love with SF when I was little. It broke my heart when my granpa Joe ended up having to sell his Great Aunt Sophie's house out on Wawona St. Right by the Irish Cultural Center, the beach, the zoo, and a nice lil Greek restaurant that was the original place they sold the Its It ice cream bars.
That sounds awesome

Not the selling bit, the rest of it.
Majiffy
2nd August 2016, 11:56 PM
Would you really want to live in SF though majiffy
:staregonk:
Why not?

I mean Soylent is HQ'ed there so

I could probably get a gig with them and then just get paid in Soylent.
Wait a minute we've talked about this...

:hmmm:
Kami
2nd August 2016, 11:57 PM
Would you really want to live in SF though majiffy
:staregonk:
Why not?

I mean Soylent is HQ'ed there so

I could probably get a gig with them and then just get paid in Soylent.

you soylent addict
:kamigif:
Majiffy
2nd August 2016, 11:58 PM
:scrubhands: I can stop any time I want
rachmarie
3rd August 2016, 12:11 AM
Yeah it was a small 2 br Victorian house with a tiny terraced backyard to deal with the hill issue.

I started going to SF when I was 2 to see my eye doc. He used to say he saw me since I was small enough to fit in a shoebox lol. I wrote a blog post about it. My mom when she was in high school, joined the Episcopalian church and her godfather was like 2 grades ahead of her in school. He went to SF not long after he graduated and started work as a dishwasher and eventually worked his way up to the Maitre D' of one of the fancier restaurants at the wharf (Aliotos) IIRC. Many a time he paid for a meal for my mom and I and served us himself. He treated me like I was a little princess, and thought I was totally adorable. Sometimes we stayed with Bill, sometimes not. I got to meet most of his serious bfs over the years as well.

I still miss him.
borealis
3rd August 2016, 01:42 AM
I live in Sonoma county and I always used to want to move but after seeing other places I'm like holy shit where I live is so much better.

I like how there is so much nature and places to hike, the beaches kinda suck though cause cold
:frog:

Someday you should read Always Coming Home by Ursula K LeGuin.
borealis
13th August 2016, 01:31 PM
Lol!

Donald Trump, the first human to score an OMFG on the Myers-Briggs test

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-break-from-campaign_us_57acdd68e4b007c36e4dc736?utm_source=fa rk&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

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