MindRomp Mafia - Day 1 page 2

Nightson
17th January 2012, 09:52 PM
Diva, my concern is that fuzzy posted about his scum vs town game in the wrap-up on TR. Thus, he is very likely to try to mix things up if he is scum (or make an effort to do his towny thing.) That said, he's not standing out to me.

I'm not wanting gib as mayor. I have two votes and am happy to do it, but if anyone else is interested in athene then that is preferable to gib or fuzzy this game IMO.

I feel like I'm being mean, but I want gib as mayor so... gib

I just finished reading through the thread and it produced a lot of uncertainty, going to do a reread and take notes.
nostrum
17th January 2012, 09:56 PM
:colbert:
Jerome
17th January 2012, 10:02 PM
I'm not wanting gib as mayor. I have two votes and am happy to do it, but if anyone else is interested in athene then that is preferable to gib or fuzzy this game IMO.

What?
Magicziggy
17th January 2012, 10:12 PM
Fuzzy... A lot of talk about you being mayor... Would you do the job well or are you as unreliable as most people seem to think?

I wouldn't want athene as mayor. Or nostrum. I could go gib. I'll see.
ericv00
17th January 2012, 10:13 PM
By my calculations, we only have 5 mins before the end of the Day. If so, I am going with my suspicions, and in the process saving my own ass (not wanting to get lynched is, I hope, understandable).

gib

divagreen

If my calculations are wrong (never was good at numbers), I'll hang round and read a bit more.
12 hours more I think
Aw crap. Really?

Fuck, now that I read it properly, it says Wednesday, doesn't it? Idiot me.

Awesome. Another 12 hours to figure shit out. Back to gib, then, as I don't want to rush into a decision.

divagreen

gib

Beddy-beds time for me, now that I'm not concerned about missing the end of the Day. Have fun, folks.
^^^
What is this?

Oh, and catching up. Then going out to dinner. Hope I have enough time to read the thread.
gib
17th January 2012, 10:16 PM
I'm not wanting gib as mayor. I have two votes and am happy to do it, but if anyone else is interested in athene then that is preferable to gib or fuzzy this game IMO.

What?

indeed. Nostrum why on earth start a new mayor bw on athene who has zero votes when you could vote youself or diva?
gib
17th January 2012, 10:18 PM
diva, deep breaths. Who would be your next suspect after MZ?

Jerome or Daphne.

Add Zigmen to that list.

I was wondering why everyone's favorite lynch hadn't seen much attention~

I'm not really seeing the defensiveness in nostrums posts, care to explain?

Sure, lookie here (http://mindromp.org/forum/showpost.php?p=3159&postcount=189)

Look at the tone of the post that Nostrum is replying to. Fairly Disney, right?

Then look at the tone of Nostrum's reply. All "wtf" and "stinks" and other defensive stances that are, imho, unwarranted.

Looks to me like a classic Scum slip-up; to be a bit paranoid and seeing attacks where there aren't any.

I'm off to work. Back in about 9 hours.

like someone else said, how could that possibly be interpreted as an attack on Nostrum? oh right you've gone
gib
17th January 2012, 10:20 PM
anyone who feels comfortable about that post from eric just now please speak up
Feck
17th January 2012, 10:20 PM
Nostrum what time is it over there ? Been up all night ?

Fuzzy is just Way too chatty :hmmm:

Diva hasn't had a meltdown yet :sadcheer:

voting Jerome as policy :no:

Oh and enough with the fluff this thread is long enough :whyyou:
Fuzzy
17th January 2012, 10:20 PM
Fuzzy... A lot of talk about you being mayor... Would you do the job well or are you as unreliable as most people seem to think?

I wouldn't want athene as mayor. Or nostrum. I could go gib. I'll see.

I think gib is town so I like him as mayor. Nightfall for day 1,3,5,7,etc will be before I get up in the morning, so I will be unreliable as a consequence of sleeping at night.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
17th January 2012, 10:23 PM
almost nightfall, can we have a votecount?

i'm sticking with jerome but i may vote someone else for mayor.
Feck
17th January 2012, 10:25 PM
^ add Zigmen to the questionable pile too .

and Eric can be sorted out later if this is a typical level of contribution .
Fuzzy
17th January 2012, 10:26 PM
P.sure nightfall is 14.5 hours away
borealis
17th January 2012, 10:27 PM
almost nightfall, can we have a votecount?

i'm sticking with jerome but i may vote someone else for mayor.

Not almost nightfall at all.
Feck
17th January 2012, 10:28 PM
Nightfall is at 1 PM GMT Wednesday/8 AM US ET Wednesday.
Magicziggy
17th January 2012, 10:31 PM
fuzzy
gib
ericv00
17th January 2012, 10:32 PM
anyone who feels comfortable about that post from eric just now please speak up
bolero switched to the lynch vote to diva, but upon realizing there was still a lot of day left, switched it back to you.

Why does time in the day matter?

This tells me that these are not real votes. Not hopeful votes for scum anyway.
Bolero
17th January 2012, 10:34 PM
I have to go teach now, and I'll be in class all day, but just quickly:

I want to explain that I thought there was a lack of action in the thread because I fucked up the D1 length. Now I see how long D1 is, I feel like a complete tool for saying that.

Someone asked me if I usually random vot on D1, and I haven't in the past, but these days I think it gets things moving and people talking. I had no intention of leaving my vote on a random person if a better candidate came up. I don't think town is served well by people not voting, either. Voting helps us track better later in the game, and I have learned to be sus of people who don't want to vote on D1.

Finally, I feel Jerome's vote on Gonzo was followy (just repeated what someone else mentioned about gonzo being quiet), but I don't know enough about him as a player, so I could have misread that.

Will check back later.
Bolero
17th January 2012, 10:36 PM
anyone who feels comfortable about that post from eric just now please speak up
bolero switched to the lynch vote to diva, but upon realizing there was still a lot of day left, switched it back to you.

Why does time in the day matter?

This tells me that these are not real votes. Not hopeful votes for scum anyway.
As I explained, I was wanting to save my own arse because I thought the day was coming to an end and I had 2 votes on me. Diva already had a vote on her, and I was a bit sus of her anyway, so I switched. However, when I realised the day was NOT over, I switched back to gib because I was more sus of him.
ericv00
17th January 2012, 10:36 PM
By my calculations, we only have 5 mins before the end of the Day. If so, I am going with my suspicions, and in the process saving my own ass (not wanting to get lynched is, I hope, understandable).

gib

divagreen

If my calculations are wrong (never was good at numbers), I'll hang round and read a bit more.
12 hours more I think
Aw crap. Really?

Fuck, now that I read it properly, it says Wednesday, doesn't it? Idiot me.

Awesome. Another 12 hours to figure shit out. Back to gib, then, as I don't want to rush into a decision.

divagreen

gib

Beddy-beds time for me, now that I'm not concerned about missing the end of the Day. Have fun, folks.

If you thought there was only 5 minutes left at the time, switching then WOULD be rushing to a decision. Switching back is bizarre. What is the goal here? I can't imagine it is much because you have practically told us that your gib vote means very little to you even though you are sticking with it (as far as I have read in the thread so far).
ericv00
17th January 2012, 10:38 PM
Oh, I see. I'm missing things because *I* am rushing a bit to catch up.
Facetious
17th January 2012, 10:40 PM
the votes are fairly spread out, jerome and gonzo on 2 each, bolero, gib, nostrum and daphne on 1 each.
ericv00
17th January 2012, 10:44 PM
Okay, I'm already going to be late to my dinner date. I hope I'm back soon enough to catch up fully and have a comfortable vote.

I'm happy with my mayor vote.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
17th January 2012, 10:53 PM
oh i had the time zone settings wrong... nevermind

would still like to see an accurate mayor vote count
gib
17th January 2012, 10:57 PM
Fuzzy... A lot of talk about you being mayor... Would you do the job well or are you as unreliable as most people seem to think?

I wouldn't want athene as mayor. Or nostrum. I could go gib. I'll see.

I think gib is town so I like him as mayor. Nightfall for day 1,3,5,7,etc will be before I get up in the morning, so I will be unreliable as a consequence of sleeping at night.

nightfall day1 is 1pm tomorrow for me - that's fine, i'll be at work so can't be glued to the screen but can definitely check in every 10 mins or so for the last hour

day 2 will end fri 1AM for me, i can be around until say midnight

day 3 is sat 1pm, will be at work for that as per day 1

day4 mon 1am - no problem

day 5 tuesday 1pm - have to log off 1.5 hours b4 nightfall

day 6 thur 1am - no problem

day 7 fri 1pm - not sure yet

if i'm still in the game after that i'll probably need a sub by then anyway
gib
17th January 2012, 10:58 PM
add 5 hours for EST
gib
17th January 2012, 10:59 PM
no subtract
gib
17th January 2012, 11:02 PM
I have to go teach now, and I'll be in class all day, but just quickly:

I want to explain that I thought there was a lack of action in the thread because I fucked up the D1 length. Now I see how long D1 is, I feel like a complete tool for saying that.

Someone asked me if I usually random vot on D1, and I haven't in the past, but these days I think it gets things moving and people talking. I had no intention of leaving my vote on a random person if a better candidate came up. I don't think town is served well by people not voting, either. Voting helps us track better later in the game, and I have learned to be sus of people who don't want to vote on D1.

Finally, I feel Jerome's vote on Gonzo was followy (just repeated what someone else mentioned about gonzo being quiet), but I don't know enough about him as a player, so I could have misread that.

Will check back later.

plus jerome's vote took jerome out of the lynch lead so has that self saving element
Facetious
17th January 2012, 11:07 PM
right, I'm pretty tired so I'm going to bite the bullet and zigmen I should be around at some point before nightfall.

I'm also a bit concerned about UT, he seems a bit hedgy. Thoughts anyone?
gib
17th January 2012, 11:09 PM
oh i had the time zone settings wrong... nevermind

would still like to see an accurate mayor vote count

jerome 0 - fuzzy
elouise 1 - bolero
gib the champion 7 - eric, diva, fuzzy, zigmen, borealis, nightson, mz
nostrum 2 - UT, feck
diva 2 - amok, gonzo
fuzzy 1 - mz, CGI
athene 1 - nostrum
Adenosine
17th January 2012, 11:18 PM
Right, at work with functioning computer.

I'm not seeing gib, nostrum or Daphne as scummy. However (insert caveat), I can't pick Daphne for squat. Also, nostrum tends to trolley track on me, except for one memorable time when she was scum. So, hmmm. I don't think gib is scum. No caveats there.

I don't have a read on Jerome at the moment but I reject him as a policy vote. That's lazy, bordering on scummy, play.

Just thinking about it, I take back my town read on nostrum. gin had the right of it. Why start a new Mayor bw when there are two alternatives to gib already.

I want diva to be Mayor, I trust her instincts in the first few days.

nostrum

divagreen
gib
17th January 2012, 11:18 PM
right, I'm pretty tired so I'm going to bite the bullet and zigmen I should be around at some point before nightfall.

I'm also a bit concerned about UT, he seems a bit hedgy. Thoughts anyone?

i'm not hugely keen on the other bandwagons, although i have to wonder if jerome has been told to shut up

zigmen is looking a fair bet, and i do hate to see him ever get past me as scum again so i wouldnt oppose his lynch, may well join you on that, dunno

UT reckons only 1 of my posts has clicked for him. so far nothing he's said is even memorable, usually i get a town feel of that duck but it ain't happening this game

i think maybe i'd prefer to lynch UT, you still about Athene?
Adenosine
17th January 2012, 11:19 PM
gin=gib. :typo:
Adenosine
17th January 2012, 11:20 PM
right, I'm pretty tired so I'm going to bite the bullet and zigmen I should be around at some point before nightfall.

I'm also a bit concerned about UT, he seems a bit hedgy. Thoughts anyone?

i'm not hugely keen on the other bandwagons, although i have to wonder if jerome has been told to shut up

zigmen is looking a fair bet, and i do hate to see him ever get past me as scum again so i wouldnt oppose his lynch, may well join you on that, dunno

UT reckons only 1 of my posts has clicked for him. so far nothing he's said is even memorable, usually i get a town feel of that duck but it ain't happening this game

i think maybe i'd prefer to lynch UT, you still about Athene?

Speaking as someone who has been scum with Jerome several times I can tell you that wouldn't work. He doesn't shut up.
gib
17th January 2012, 11:21 PM
yeh i don't have a town read on nostrum either, when you said you had i was about to just go with the consensus, glad you spoke your mind there
gib
17th January 2012, 11:22 PM
Speaking as someone who has been scum with Jerome several times I can tell you that wouldn't work. He doesn't shut up.

excellent point
gib
17th January 2012, 11:27 PM
diva get in here
divagreen
17th January 2012, 11:32 PM
diva get in here

I am at the salon with my macbook waiting for my daughter to get her hair done. What do you want.
gib
17th January 2012, 11:34 PM
diva get in here

I am at the salon with my macbook waiting for my daughter to get her hair done. What do you want.

you need to look after town until athene and i get back - don't trust nostrum or CGI. and don't fuck it up
Magicziggy
17th January 2012, 11:39 PM
That is how I read MZ's play also.

This is followy as fuck.

I have played with MZ in more games than you and yet you picked this up about his play? I call bullshit.

MZ

I've played three games with Jerome in quick succession. One game with you recently where you subbed out on day 1. Other games with you are sometime ago. I call bullshit on your bullshot call.
divagreen
17th January 2012, 11:40 PM
diva get in here

I am at the salon with my macbook waiting for my daughter to get her hair done. What do you want.

you need to look after town until athene and i get back - don't trust nostrum or CGI. and don't fuck it up

Where is your vote again?
Magicziggy
17th January 2012, 11:41 PM
Corrected and updated

Mayor Vote
gib - 4
nostrum - 2
diva - 2
elouise - 1


Lynch Vote
Jerome - 2
bolero - 2
gib - 1
CGI - 1
Daphne - 1
diva - 1

Way way back to oblivions last corrected vote count.

UT and divas votes on me are missing. Diva has since unvoted.
divagreen
17th January 2012, 11:42 PM
That is how I read MZ's play also.

This is followy as fuck.

I have played with MZ in more games than you and yet you picked this up about his play? I call bullshit.

MZ

I've played three games with Jerome in quick succession. One game with you recently where you subbed out on day 1. Other games with you are sometime ago. I call bullshit on your bullshot call.

oh good grief
gib
17th January 2012, 11:42 PM
MZ let's say we give bolero another day seeing as she's kinda new

who else would you go for? broaden it a bit - whose lynches wouldn't you oppose?
gib
17th January 2012, 11:45 PM
diva get in here

I am at the salon with my macbook waiting for my daughter to get her hair done. What do you want.

you need to look after town until athene and i get back - don't trust nostrum or CGI. and don't fuck it up

Where is your vote again?

hovering over UT, occasionally veering off to nostrum and CGI, bumps up against bolero sometimes and once in a while it circles gonzo. It's forgotten feck exists and remembers something vaguely about some other people

yours?
divagreen
17th January 2012, 11:49 PM
Jerome, Daphne, Gonzo and Zigmen. I still have my eye on MZ but I can wait a day. He needs to bring something more to the table than "no u r bullshit".

I would like to hear more from Amok.
Magicziggy
17th January 2012, 11:49 PM
MZ let's say we give bolero another day seeing as she's kinda new

who else would you go for? broaden it a bit - whose lynches wouldn't you oppose?

She's not new.

I'm waiting to hear from Elouise.
But no one is standing out.

I will do a full reread before nightfall.
I will post a list of lynches I wouldn't oppose way before nf.
Nightson
17th January 2012, 11:51 PM
Hrm, okay

I continue with gib seeming town

Adding Diva to the town category

My uncertainty was not helped very much by the reread.
Nightson
17th January 2012, 11:51 PM
Adenosine why was Nostrum's mayor switch scummy? What do you think it says about Athene's alignment?

Also you included gib on your list of town reads with no caveat, but voted for Diva who you left off the town list, why don't you want gib as mayor?
Magicziggy
17th January 2012, 11:52 PM
Jerome, Daphne, Gonzo and Zigmen. I still have my eye on MZ but I can wait a day. He needs to bring something more to the table than "no u r bullshit".

I would like to hear more from Amok.

Diva... Jerome would know my recent play pretty well to get a read. That's all I mean. I know you follow the games and would also have some idea... I just don't think you get me.. I'm not always aggressive.
gib
17th January 2012, 11:53 PM
Jerome, Daphne, Gonzo and Zigmen. I still have my eye on MZ but I can wait a day. He needs to bring something more to the table than "no u r bullshit".

I would like to hear more from Amok.

agree on MZ. if it's jerome, daphne, gonzo, zigmen or amok when i check in then i won't get worked up. Try to get the votes more tightly bunched to work some kind of consensus
divagreen
17th January 2012, 11:53 PM
I have never seen CGI as scum. I thought he looked incredibly scummy all through the last TR game and he was town. What caught UT's eye caught my eye about MZ (although I guess for different reasons). I have a town read on Nostrum.
divagreen
17th January 2012, 11:56 PM
Jerome, Daphne, Gonzo and Zigmen. I still have my eye on MZ but I can wait a day. He needs to bring something more to the table than "no u r bullshit".

I would like to hear more from Amok.

agree on MZ. if it's jerome, daphne, gonzo, zigmen or amok when i check in then i won't get worked up. Try to get the votes more tightly bunched to work some kind of consensus

I am not sus of Amok (yet) I just want to hear more from her.

g/g to dinner, will be back later.
gib
17th January 2012, 11:57 PM
yeh in fairness think3r always looks scummy to me
Magicziggy
17th January 2012, 11:58 PM
Gonzo's low participation looks scummy. I don't get the greatest feeling about zigmen. Diva and gib look town. Athene pinged when she lumped three players together who seemed to have divergent views. Bolero has seemed a bit on edge.

Those are my reads... Nobody else stands out.
Nightson
18th January 2012, 12:02 AM
Gonzo's low participation looks scummy.

Why?

Athene pinged when she lumped three players together who seemed to have divergent views.


You feel her town reads are more likely to be faked because the people she named don't agree?
Adenosine
18th January 2012, 12:02 AM
Adenosine why was Nostrum's mayor switch scummy? What do you think it says about Athene's alignment?

Also you included gib on your list of town reads with no caveat, but voted for Diva who you left off the town list, why don't you want gib as mayor?

I was thinking about nostrum's new Mayor wagon in context of her play. It was a strange thing to do, especially with two other wagons available, including her own. If she didn't want gib she could have voted for herself. Who doesn't vote for themselves for Mayor when they don't like the alternative?

I only picked those three players to mention because they were sitting with one vote each and I couldn't see why. My reason for wanting diva as Mayor has nothing to do with the competition and everything to do with her play.
Nightson
18th January 2012, 12:08 AM
I was thinking about nostrum's new Mayor wagon in context of her play. It was a strange thing to do, especially with two other wagons available, including her own. If she didn't want gib she could have voted for herself. Who doesn't vote for themselves for Mayor when they don't like the alternative?

Evidently you think scum do, why do you think that?

What do you think Nostrum's mayor vote says about Athene's alignment?
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 12:28 AM
nostrums not mayor voting herself does look odd, especially since i've seen her do it before but overall i'm leaning townish on her atm.

Gib is kind of bugging me, he's being rather more abusive than i'm used to seeing.

I like nightson's last few posts, his day one posts last time i saw him as scum were empty, these aren't so i'm feeling good about him.
charlou
18th January 2012, 12:31 AM
31 pages! I've had a quick catch up read ... I don't have an impression on everyone, but got a good sense of town play from a few people, namely diva, gib, Aden

Daphne looked a bit wobbly, but regained some typical town Daphne play: unsure

MZ looks fine to me.

bolero ... nostrum ... and UT ... all more than a bit iffy ... what has their interaction been? I really would like to reread the thread but that's going to be impossible, I think. Will read their posts in isolation now.
charlou
18th January 2012, 12:34 AM
crosspost UT

There was one post of gibs that seemed a tad put on with aggression, but among all his others it looked contrived to root out scum, not to appear to be town.

I agree with you about Nightson's posts.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
18th January 2012, 12:35 AM
31 pages!
lame excuse, very short default pages, set them to 30 posts
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 12:39 AM
crosspost UT

There was one post of gibs that seemed a tad put on with aggression, but among all his others it looked contrived to root out scum, not to appear to be town.

I agree with you about Nightson's posts.

what do you think of mz and nos so far?
charlou
18th January 2012, 12:42 AM
Excuse? Excuse for what?
charlou
18th January 2012, 12:42 AM
I take your point about the length of pages. :thumbsup:
Fuzzy
18th January 2012, 12:47 AM
I like tiny pages. I feel like I've accomplished a herculean feat when I go through 30 pages and it was like nothing!
Fuzzy
18th January 2012, 12:47 AM
I get the same feeling when I bench press cats
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 01:12 AM
Depeche Mode - Enjoy The Silence (Remastered Video) - YouTube

sorry, jerome. I have schoolwork for all night. I am voting for you because you are always a good choice for a Day One lynch, period.

And I have good reason to believe divagreen is town because of information I received in my PM.
Nightson
18th January 2012, 01:21 AM
Gonzo, are you town?
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 01:32 AM
that is a really weird post gonzo. are you half outing?
charlou
18th January 2012, 01:33 AM
In reply to you, UT: MZ looks fine to me so far - no impression either way. I disagree with diva that he's always aggressive as town .. I think she's carrying that impression over because it is more notable when he is.

nostrum, seems okay with a couple of observations that I agree with, but something is a bit off - people have already pointed out why so there's no need for me to do so ... I don't include Zigmen's point there, though. I think the main thing for me is that she's not coming out as strongly day 1 as I would expect from town nostrum ...


And I have good reason to believe divagreen is town because of information I received in my PM.

What information might that be, Gonzo?
charlou
18th January 2012, 01:35 AM
diva and gib ... is that liaison contrived thingamibobulating? hmmm ... I don't intend to be too complacent about them.
charlou
18th January 2012, 01:36 AM
that is a really weird post gonzo. are you half outing?

I'm skeptical ... how likely is night 0 information (which is pretty much what he's claiming) in a flavourless beginner game designed by oblivion?
borealis
18th January 2012, 01:52 AM
Depeche Mode - Enjoy The Silence (Remastered Video) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diT3FvDHMyo)

sorry, jerome. I have schoolwork for all night. I am voting for you because you are always a good choice for a Day One lynch, period.

And I have good reason to believe divagreen is town because of information I received in my PM.

You best be a bit more forthcoming because that sounds a bit bullshitty.
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 02:01 AM
that is a really weird post gonzo. are you half outing?

I'm skeptical ... how likely is night 0 information (which is pretty much what he's claiming) in a flavourless beginner game designed by oblivion?

i'm guessing no chance, ob said this would be super vanilla, i was thinking more along the line of lovers but even thats a stretch give what ob said about the design. Didn't ob say she was going to keep it super straightforward to make for easy spectating?
Fuzzy
18th January 2012, 02:01 AM
that is a really weird post gonzo. are you half outing?

Half out, half hidden, all remarkably dumb.
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 02:11 AM
Gonzo's low participation looks scummy.

Why?

Athene pinged when she lumped three players together who seemed to have divergent views.


You feel her town reads are more likely to be faked because the people she named don't agree?

Gonzo...Why,... Because it does.

Athene... No I think they are just not as carefully thought through as a town analysis should be.
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 02:16 AM
Depeche Mode - Enjoy The Silence (Remastered Video) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diT3FvDHMyo)

sorry, jerome. I have schoolwork for all night. I am voting for you because you are always a good choice for a Day One lynch, period.

And I have good reason to believe divagreen is town because of information I received in my PM.

What happened to never ever outing anything again?????
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 02:23 AM
Is there any reason other than it's to stupid to be scum not to vote for gonzo?
divagreen
18th January 2012, 02:28 AM
Is there any reason other than it's to stupid to be scum not to vote for gonzo?

I don't know what information he might have received, if we are lovers then I do not know about it.

Adenosine, what do you think. This is smelling like his play in Nightson's game at FF (he was town), but he also tried some crazy shit in Zigmen's game at TR (he was scum).
ericv00
18th January 2012, 02:28 AM
Is there any reason other than it's to stupid to be scum not to vote for gonzo?
:nada:
Amok
18th January 2012, 02:35 AM
I've done a quick, initial read.

Before going back to pick up individual posts, I'm concerned right now about:

1) Nostrum's FOS-that-wasn't on Athene;
2) Gonzo's "information in the PM" post;
2) Gonzo's vote on Jerome.

Before I went to work, I had an uneasy feeling about MZ, Fuzzy & Bolero, but I need to re-read that early part again.

Diva or Gib need to be Mayor.
divagreen
18th January 2012, 02:43 AM
Jerome, Daphne, Gonzo and Zigmen. I still have my eye on MZ but I can wait a day. He needs to bring something more to the table than "no u r bullshit".

I would like to hear more from Amok.

Diva... Jerome would know my recent play pretty well to get a read. That's all I mean. I know you follow the games and would also have some idea... I just don't think you get me.. I'm not always aggressive.

Apparently I don't get you...nor...am I...getting these pauses. Are you outta breath? :p
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 02:44 AM
no, just confirming that I have a reason for voting diva mayor

I don't make claims anymore. Unless I am playing as scum and I am lying.
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 02:44 AM
*no, I am not claiming
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 02:45 AM
Gonzo, are you town?

:sadyes:
Nightson
18th January 2012, 02:48 AM
Gonzo, are you town?

:sadyes:

Then you're a bonehead. How on earth do you think just casually mentioning you weren't vanilla and had role information that Diva was town wouldn't turn into a huge distraction? How did you think revealing this information of day one would be the most helpful day to reveal it on?
Fuzzy
18th January 2012, 02:49 AM
Depeche Mode - Enjoy The Silence (Remastered Video) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diT3FvDHMyo)

sorry, jerome. I have schoolwork for all night. I am voting for you because you are always a good choice for a Day One lynch, period.

And I have good reason to believe divagreen is town because of information I received in my PM.

no, just confirming that I have a reason for voting diva mayor

I don't make claims anymore. Unless I am playing as scum and I am lying.

I guess you're scum and lying then.

vote Gonzo
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 02:56 AM
a role claim is different than sharing info, you arse
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 02:57 AM
*from

but whatever. I don't have time for this, so go ahead.
Daphne Girl
18th January 2012, 03:01 AM
Gonzo- how do you know Diva is town? What information do you have?
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 03:06 AM
can anyone think of a role pm that would include the name of another townie?
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 03:06 AM
:happyno:
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 03:07 AM
:yes:
divagreen
18th January 2012, 03:07 AM
Gonzo you do realise you have painted a huge target on both of our heads? If you get lynched (if you are town and really did receive this info) then I will become a cleared player and will probably be nightkilled (but I am getting used to it). If you do not get lynched then you are introducing a whole lot of wifom around us both. The longer we are both alive the more of a distraction it will be.
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 03:08 AM
but I love you. Isn't that what really matters?
divagreen
18th January 2012, 03:09 AM
In reply to you, UT: MZ looks fine to me so far - no impression either way. I disagree with diva that he's always aggressive as town .. I think she's carrying that impression over because it is more notable when he is.

nostrum, seems okay with a couple of observations that I agree with, but something is a bit off - people have already pointed out why so there's no need for me to do so ... I don't include Zigmen's point there, though. I think the main thing for me is that she's not coming out as strongly day 1 as I would expect from town nostrum ...


And I have good reason to believe divagreen is town because of information I received in my PM.

What information might that be, Gonzo?

wrt the bold. hedging.
Daphne Girl
18th January 2012, 03:10 AM
Why are you fucking around like this Gonzo? Also, it appears you "found" time to play.
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 03:11 AM
I think gonzos half info claim clears diva.
If he's telling the truth... Then she's clear.

If he's lying ... Then unlikely he's put his neck on the line to implicate a fellow scum.
borealis
18th January 2012, 03:11 AM
Would Ob throw a jester into this kind of game?
Daphne Girl
18th January 2012, 03:12 AM
can anyone think of a role pm that would include the name of another townie?
No, I can't.
My role pm was short and sweet.
So, if Gonzo had something written in his role pm about Diva, he is either a special of some sort or is lying. Am I missing something here?
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 03:13 AM
This is a sanity break from schoolwork.
divagreen
18th January 2012, 03:13 AM
but I love you. Isn't that what really matters?

Fuck me, will the seer please please please with sugar on top view Gonzo if he isn't lynched today.

Gonzo if you are scum I am going to eat your testicles.
Daphne Girl
18th January 2012, 03:13 AM
A jester in a simple mafia game with no theme?
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 03:14 AM
yeah, but Daphne you're a newb. There are a few role PMs I could think of that could include another player.
Daphne Girl
18th January 2012, 03:14 AM
This is a sanity break from schoolwork.

answer the question or get back to your school work because you really aren't helping out much here.
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 03:14 AM
but I love you. Isn't that what really matters?

Fuck me, will the seer please please please with sugar on top view Gonzo if he isn't lynched today.

Gonzo if you are scum I am going to eat your testicles.

Oh, well, I'm scum then guys. :hehe:
Daphne Girl
18th January 2012, 03:15 AM
yeah, but Daphne you're a newb. There are a few role PMs I could think of that could include another player.

like what?
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 03:15 AM
yeah I do have to finish that assignment already. Decide if you all want me or not. I have little more to add.
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 03:16 AM
Here's your homework, Daphne. (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page)
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 03:17 AM
but I love you. Isn't that what really matters?

Fuck me, will the seer please please please with sugar on top view Gonzo if he isn't lynched today.

Gonzo if you are scum I am going to eat your testicles.

Oh, well, I'm scum then guys. :hehe:

:rofl:

well to be honest the scum would have had something in their role pm that would lead them to believe diva was town, she wouldn't be on their teammate list if that were the case.
Fuzzy
18th January 2012, 03:17 AM
but I love you. Isn't that what really matters?

Fuck me, will the seer please please please with sugar on top view Gonzo if he isn't lynched today.

Gonzo if you are scum I am going to eat your testicles.

Oh, well, I'm scum then guys. :hehe:

Got it.
Daphne Girl
18th January 2012, 03:18 AM
##vote gonzo##
my vote stays unless he decides to start acting like a town player and helping out. Right now he is being evasive and causing a lot of wifom. Also, his day one vote on Jerome was shitty. He is a better player than that.
Daphne Girl
18th January 2012, 03:19 AM
Here's your homework, Daphne. (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page)

I will take a look at this.
borealis
18th January 2012, 03:19 AM
I'm goin' with jester. He wants to be lynched.
Daphne Girl
18th January 2012, 03:20 AM
but I love you. Isn't that what really matters?

Fuck me, will the seer please please please with sugar on top view Gonzo if he isn't lynched today.

Gonzo if you are scum I am going to eat your testicles.

Oh, well, I'm scum then guys. :hehe:

:rofl:

well to be honest the scum would have had something in their role pm that would lead them to believe diva was town, she wouldn't be on their teammate list if that were the case.

what UT?
Daphne Girl
18th January 2012, 03:21 AM
Here's your homework, Daphne. (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page)

I will take a look at this.

which role are you Gonzo?
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 03:21 AM
I suggest the doctor protects diva and the seer views me.
charlou
18th January 2012, 03:22 AM
In reply to you, UT: MZ looks fine to me so far - no impression either way. I disagree with diva that he's always aggressive as town .. I think she's carrying that impression over because it is more notable when he is.

nostrum, seems okay with a couple of observations that I agree with, but something is a bit off - people have already pointed out why so there's no need for me to do so ... I don't include Zigmen's point there, though. I think the main thing for me is that she's not coming out as strongly day 1 as I would expect from town nostrum ...


And I have good reason to believe divagreen is town because of information I received in my PM.

What information might that be, Gonzo?

wrt the bold. hedging.
I was answering UT there. In my previous post I had said I have only got a town impression on some people so far, with a few others I'm a bit iffy about. I am unsure about nostrum, but will say I'm not getting a strong town impression. That's not unusual for me wrt early game reading of her.
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 03:23 AM
I don't want to be lynched, I just don't care. I am not going to claim because it will only bring out more questions I really shouldn't answer.
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 03:23 AM
but I love you. Isn't that what really matters?

Fuck me, will the seer please please please with sugar on top view Gonzo if he isn't lynched today.

Gonzo if you are scum I am going to eat your testicles.

Oh, well, I'm scum then guys. :hehe:

:rofl:

well to be honest the scum would have had something in their role pm that would lead them to believe diva was town, she wouldn't be on their teammate list if that were the case.

what UT?

just pointing out that he could be telling the truth and be scum, people seem to be overlooking that possibility. but all in all it does feel like he's fishing for the lynch.
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 03:24 AM
Seriously, though, this is the strangest role I've ever had next to the odd-night half-doc by Linus. :whyyou: Bastard GMs.
borealis
18th January 2012, 03:28 AM
Ob's got some 'splainin' to do, then.

Though I suppose she might toss in a really odd role to demonstrate that such things do turn up.
divagreen
18th January 2012, 03:28 AM
I've done a quick, initial read.

Before going back to pick up individual posts, I'm concerned right now about:

1) Nostrum's FOS-that-wasn't on Athene;
2) Gonzo's "information in the PM" post;
2) Gonzo's vote on Jerome.

Before I went to work, I had an uneasy feeling about MZ, Fuzzy & Bolero, but I need to re-read that early part again.

Diva or Gib need to be Mayor.

Why do one of us need to be mayor? Why not you? Or Nostrum?

I agree with the uneasy feeling about MZ, I have posted ad nauseum about it but I think that I am trolley tracking on him. Fuzzy seems town to me and I would think that someone would be bussing Bolero right about now if she were scum.
Daphne Girl
18th January 2012, 03:31 AM
Seriously, though, this is the strangest role I've ever had next to the odd-night half-doc by Linus. :whyyou: Bastard GMs.
are you not able to say what your role is?
If so, then why did you even bring any of this up?
divagreen
18th January 2012, 03:32 AM
In reply to you, UT: MZ looks fine to me so far - no impression either way. I disagree with diva that he's always aggressive as town .. I think she's carrying that impression over because it is more notable when he is.

nostrum, seems okay with a couple of observations that I agree with, but something is a bit off - people have already pointed out why so there's no need for me to do so ... I don't include Zigmen's point there, though. I think the main thing for me is that she's not coming out as strongly day 1 as I would expect from town nostrum ...


And I have good reason to believe divagreen is town because of information I received in my PM.

What information might that be, Gonzo?

wrt the bold. hedging.
I was answering UT there. In my previous post I had said I have only got a town impression on some people so far, with a few others I'm a bit iffy about. I am unsure about nostrum, but will say I'm not getting a strong town impression. That's not unusual for me wrt early game reading of her.

What do you make of Gonzo? What about Athene?

Who is on your suspect list?
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 03:35 AM
Seriously, though, this is the strangest role I've ever had next to the odd-night half-doc by Linus. :whyyou: Bastard GMs.
are you not able to say what your role is?
If so, then why did you even bring any of this up?

that's the thing it's a half out and that always causes problems for town. but it just seems wrong to lynch him, he's to good a player to try this as a scam, something is going on.
divagreen
18th January 2012, 03:36 AM
Eric, what about you? You haven't laid down a lynch vote.
Daphne Girl
18th January 2012, 03:37 AM
Seriously, though, this is the strangest role I've ever had next to the odd-night half-doc by Linus. :whyyou: Bastard GMs.
are you not able to say what your role is?
If so, then why did you even bring any of this up?

that's the thing it's a half out and that always causes problems for town. but it just seems wrong to lynch him, he's to good a player to try this as a scam, something is going on.

I feel like I played a somewhat recent game with him when he made a fake claim as scum. Idk.
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 03:48 AM
yeah the game where he claimed roleblocker day one under very little pressure, i'd forgotten about that.
charlou
18th January 2012, 04:00 AM
yeah, but Daphne you're a newb. There are a few role PMs I could think of that could include another player.
Which one did you pick for your claim?
charlou
18th January 2012, 04:05 AM
UT, you're looking better. borealis is looking good too.

Athene .. very little substance there. I often have trouble getting an impression from her posts, in any case.
Nightson
18th January 2012, 04:07 AM
Seriously considering voting Gonzo if he doesn't shape up.
charlou
18th January 2012, 04:07 AM
Amok .. nothing of substance, but she can take a couple of days to get into her stride.

CGI .. I don't know. Fuzzy, meh. Neither are adding much. Eric, also unsure.
charlou
18th January 2012, 04:10 AM
What do you make of Gonzo? What about Athene?

Who is on your suspect list?

How about you, diva ... what do you make of everyone? Do you have a list shaping up?
oblivion
18th January 2012, 04:12 AM
Mayor Vote
gib - 7
Nostrum - 2
diva - 2
elouise - 1
Fuzzy Fungi - 1
Athene - 1

Lynch votes
gonzo - 4
Nostrum - 2
Jerome - 2
MZ - 1
gib - 1
bolero - 1
Zigmen - 1

Nightfall is in a little under 9 hours.
nostrum
18th January 2012, 04:37 AM
Fuzzy... A lot of talk about you being mayor... Would you do the job well or are you as unreliable as most people seem to think?

I wouldn't want athene as mayor. Or nostrum. I could go gib. I'll see.

A lot of talk? Exaggeration much? As for you thinking about fuzzy, either you're scum being sticky with your vote, or you are being obstinate for who-knows-why reason.

Nostrum what time is it over there ? Been up all night ?

Fuzzy is just Way too chatty :hmmm:

Diva hasn't had a meltdown yet :sadcheer:

voting Jerome as policy :no:

Oh and enough with the fluff this thread is long enough :whyyou:

Yes :sadyes: insomnia is plaguing me lately. I agree with your points, too.

Adenosine why was Nostrum's mayor switch scummy? What do you think it says about Athene's alignment?

Also you included gib on your list of town reads with no caveat, but voted for Diva who you left off the town list, why don't you want gib as mayor?

What vote switch? It was my only mayor vote. Facts straight, please. As for adenosine :rolleyes:

Jerome, Daphne, Gonzo and Zigmen. I still have my eye on MZ but I can wait a day. He needs to bring something more to the table than "no u r bullshit".

I would like to hear more from Amok.

agree on MZ. if it's jerome, daphne, gonzo, zigmen or amok when i check in then i won't get worked up. Try to get the votes more tightly bunched to work some kind of consensus

Wow and people think you're towny? This is way contrived buddy buddy let's run this game.

I've done a quick, initial read.

Before going back to pick up individual posts, I'm concerned right now about:

1) Nostrum's FOS-that-wasn't on Athene;
2) Gonzo's "information in the PM" post;
2) Gonzo's vote on Jerome.

Before I went to work, I had an uneasy feeling about MZ, Fuzzy & Bolero, but I need to re-read that early part again.

Diva or Gib need to be Mayor.

Er... what FoS from me on athene? And, why the need for one of those two to be mayor, pray tell?

In reply to you, UT: MZ looks fine to me so far - no impression either way. I disagree with diva that he's always aggressive as town .. I think she's carrying that impression over because it is more notable when he is.

nostrum, seems okay with a couple of observations that I agree with, but something is a bit off - people have already pointed out why so there's no need for me to do so ... I don't include Zigmen's point there, though. I think the main thing for me is that she's not coming out as strongly day 1 as I would expect from town nostrum ...


And I have good reason to believe divagreen is town because of information I received in my PM.

What information might that be, Gonzo?

wrt the bold. hedging.

Yup. Big time.


gonzo
Re gonzo, he's practically come out and said he's lovers with diva. What gives with the voting of him? FoS on all those that have. He can be viewed overnight, surely.

OK now I need to look at who is voting where.
nostrum
18th January 2012, 04:40 AM
Way to go, town. So vote leader is gonzo, who had tied himself to diva. Then me (yep, following zigmen is good for your cred ade) or Jerome due to policy vote which is BS and unfair.
nostrum
18th January 2012, 04:41 AM
Amok, I hope you're going to come back with more than those three points, because they seem to be a random grab bag to look like you are scum hunting.
Fuzzy
18th January 2012, 04:42 AM
going to bed in ~20 minutes
nostrum
18th January 2012, 04:42 AM
who are your suspects fuzzy?
nostrum
18th January 2012, 04:44 AM
I'm real happy to lynch zigmen unless he returns and presents with more than just a random rationale (that AFAIK no one else can see) to vote one person. And I love how he pretended to not know it was me, yet was making his case based on my reactions etc... I mean if he doesn't know me what is he basing it all on?

zigmen
Nightson
18th January 2012, 04:44 AM
Re gonzo, he's practically come out and said he's lovers with diva.

Diva's posts did not give me that impression, nor does his post saying he's got the craziest role ever.
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 04:45 AM
the problem is nos that if gonzo and diva are lovers and gonzo knew but diva didn't isn't it likely that he's scum? or am i thinking siblings not lovers?
nostrum
18th January 2012, 04:46 AM
Re gonzo, he's practically come out and said he's lovers with diva.

Diva's posts did not give me that impression, nor does his post saying he's got the craziest role ever.

he posted that he loved her... she clearly is not aware of how their roles are tied
nostrum
18th January 2012, 04:47 AM
the problem is nos that if gonzo and diva are lovers and gonzo knew but diva didn't isn't it likely that he's scum? or am i thinking siblings not lovers?

If gonzo is scum, why the hell would he put an unreasoned vote on Jerome then hit da club, only to return to point out that he has info that indicates diva is town? Surely the seer can just view him tonight?
borealis
18th January 2012, 04:52 AM
I don't much like this. Gonzo has pretty much begged to be lynched, won't explain himself, and yet people are giving him what he wants by lynch voting him. I just have a feeling this is a bad move.

So, because i have a weak suspicion and it's the only serious suspicion I have about anyone currently, since the earlier no shows have turned up and sound pretty townish now, I'm left with

bolero

who has voted weirdly and explained it as saving her own arse, not been aware of game times, and generally been not real helpful.

If i can wake up early enough and it looks like there's a better case been made or Bolero has made a better case, I'll change my vote.

I'm going to bed.
Amok
18th January 2012, 04:56 AM
I've done a quick, initial read.

Before going back to pick up individual posts, I'm concerned right now about:

1) Nostrum's FOS-that-wasn't on Athene;
2) Gonzo's "information in the PM" post;
2) Gonzo's vote on Jerome.

Before I went to work, I had an uneasy feeling about MZ, Fuzzy & Bolero, but I need to re-read that early part again.

Diva or Gib need to be Mayor.

Why do one of us need to be mayor? Why not you? Or Nostrum?

I agree with the uneasy feeling about MZ, I have posted ad nauseum about it but I think that I am trolley tracking on him. Fuzzy seems town to me and I would think that someone would be bussing Bolero right about now if she were scum.

Definitely not me for Mayor, for the same reason Fuzzy cited. Days end at 7 a.m. on alternate days for me, and I work evenings. I usually stay up until 3 or 4, but I'm rarely awake at 7 a.m.

Not Nostrum (at this point), because I have a doubt about her. Gib and Diva are (at this point) the most Townish to me, because of Scum-hunting.

I have no read on Fuzzy, but I'm ceding to Diva's previous knowledge (taking on board the outside possibility that a few have suggested about him purposefully skewing his game).

Even wasting the last hour reading the roles in the link Gonzo gave, I can't see any besides Mason and/or Lover that would make sense in light of his PM post. And I really can't make sense of revealing it at this point. Not to mention I've played one game where my Mason turned out to be Scum to my Town (Lovers on RatSkep), so I'm a bit jaded about that.

Back to Nostrum: I'm having a queasy feeling about the FOS on Athene. Athene pointed out the inaccuracy of the numbers from recent games that led to the original statement. And unless I'm missing it, Nostrum didn't react to that post, but suddenly pushes Athene for Mayor.
Zigmen
18th January 2012, 05:02 AM
I'm real happy to lynch zigmen unless he returns and presents with more than just a random rationale (that AFAIK no one else can see) to vote one person. And I love how he pretended to not know it was me, yet was making his case based on my reactions etc... I mean if he doesn't know me what is he basing it all on?

zigmen

A revenge vote. Hrmmm.

I left for work and announced I'd be back, so why try to paint me as a ghost?

As far as my rationale, I think i made a valid point. You replied to a fairly vanilla post with some odd paranoia.

Luckily, I planted proof of my Towniness in my opening post. Scum won't be able to see it, but Town will. I'm cleared.

Which leads us back to you.

I initially figured your paranoia seemed to be about the oddest thing I'd seen in this game, so I figured a vote would help flesh out your position.

And here you are, revenge voting somebody who is obviously and provably Town.

Also, if you're Town and you can't see why I'm cleared, don't worry. It's not a good time for you to admit that. However, if push comes to shove, I've read similar clues from at least one other player and can easily open the can of worms as needed to clear the air.

But right now, it's best to leave Scum guessing.
Fuzzy
18th January 2012, 05:05 AM
My only real reason for voting Gonzo was anger over him being dumb, but I guess I should vote for someone I think is actually suspicious.

vote Zigmen
nostrum
18th January 2012, 05:06 AM
I'm real happy to lynch zigmen unless he returns and presents with more than just a random rationale (that AFAIK no one else can see) to vote one person. And I love how he pretended to not know it was me, yet was making his case based on my reactions etc... I mean if he doesn't know me what is he basing it all on?

zigmen

A revenge vote. Hrmmm.

I left for work and announced I'd be back, so why try to paint me as a ghost?

As far as my rationale, I think i made a valid point. You replied to a fairly vanilla post with some odd paranoia.

Luckily, I planted proof of my Towniness in my opening post. Scum won't be able to see it, but Town will. I'm cleared.

Which leads us back to you.

I initially figured your paranoia seemed to be about the oddest thing I'd seen in this game, so I figured a vote would help flesh out your position.

And here you are, revenge voting somebody who is obviously and provably Town.

Also, if you're Town and you can't see why I'm cleared, don't worry. It's not a good time for you to admit that. However, if push comes to shove, I've read similar clues from at least one other player and can easily open the can of worms as needed to clear the air.

But right now, it's best to leave Scum guessing.

yep I'm sure everyone else but me noticed :unsure:

now I'll go look

as for revenge voting, I'm voting for you because this is something you do as scum. And... it seems no one else has agreed with your rationale, so how do you figure that?
nostrum
18th January 2012, 05:08 AM
I've done a quick, initial read.

Before going back to pick up individual posts, I'm concerned right now about:

1) Nostrum's FOS-that-wasn't on Athene;
2) Gonzo's "information in the PM" post;
2) Gonzo's vote on Jerome.

Before I went to work, I had an uneasy feeling about MZ, Fuzzy & Bolero, but I need to re-read that early part again.

Diva or Gib need to be Mayor.

Why do one of us need to be mayor? Why not you? Or Nostrum?

I agree with the uneasy feeling about MZ, I have posted ad nauseum about it but I think that I am trolley tracking on him. Fuzzy seems town to me and I would think that someone would be bussing Bolero right about now if she were scum.

Definitely not me for Mayor, for the same reason Fuzzy cited. Days end at 7 a.m. on alternate days for me, and I work evenings. I usually stay up until 3 or 4, but I'm rarely awake at 7 a.m.

Not Nostrum (at this point), because I have a doubt about her. Gib and Diva are (at this point) the most Townish to me, because of Scum-hunting.

I have no read on Fuzzy, but I'm ceding to Diva's previous knowledge (taking on board the outside possibility that a few have suggested about him purposefully skewing his game).

Even wasting the last hour reading the roles in the link Gonzo gave, I can't see any besides Mason and/or Lover that would make sense in light of his PM post. And I really can't make sense of revealing it at this point. Not to mention I've played one game where my Mason turned out to be Scum to my Town (Lovers on RatSkep), so I'm a bit jaded about that.

Back to Nostrum: I'm having a queasy feeling about the FOS on Athene. Athene pointed out the inaccuracy of the numbers from recent games that led to the original statement. And unless I'm missing it, Nostrum didn't react to that post, but suddenly pushes Athene for Mayor.

Please point me to the post you are feeling queasy over, because I don't know what you're talking about
Zigmen
18th January 2012, 05:08 AM
I'm real happy to lynch zigmen unless he returns and presents with more than just a random rationale (that AFAIK no one else can see) to vote one person. And I love how he pretended to not know it was me, yet was making his case based on my reactions etc... I mean if he doesn't know me what is he basing it all on?

zigmen

A revenge vote. Hrmmm.

I left for work and announced I'd be back, so why try to paint me as a ghost?

As far as my rationale, I think i made a valid point. You replied to a fairly vanilla post with some odd paranoia.

Luckily, I planted proof of my Towniness in my opening post. Scum won't be able to see it, but Town will. I'm cleared.

Which leads us back to you.

I initially figured your paranoia seemed to be about the oddest thing I'd seen in this game, so I figured a vote would help flesh out your position.

And here you are, revenge voting somebody who is obviously and provably Town.

Also, if you're Town and you can't see why I'm cleared, don't worry. It's not a good time for you to admit that. However, if push comes to shove, I've read similar clues from at least one other player and can easily open the can of worms as needed to clear the air.

But right now, it's best to leave Scum guessing.

yep I'm sure everyone else but me noticed :unsure:

now I'll go look

as for revenge voting, I'm voting for you because this is something you do as scum. And... it seems no one else has agreed with your rationale, so how do you figure that?

My rational was to light a fire under your ass. I did.

Then you revenge voted me.
nostrum
18th January 2012, 05:10 AM
Three words: It's been forever.

But, i'll dust off the old Mafia Hat and shoot from the hip.

Fuzzy, what's up with you?

Hmm ok, well I'm town and I call shenanigans that this proves you are town. Way to go, so now we have gonzo AND you acting weird about roles.
Fuzzy
18th January 2012, 05:10 AM
Luckily, I planted proof of my Towniness in my opening post. Scum won't be able to see it, but Town will. I'm cleared.

You're completely bonkers.
nostrum
18th January 2012, 05:11 AM
I'm real happy to lynch zigmen unless he returns and presents with more than just a random rationale (that AFAIK no one else can see) to vote one person. And I love how he pretended to not know it was me, yet was making his case based on my reactions etc... I mean if he doesn't know me what is he basing it all on?

zigmen

A revenge vote. Hrmmm.

I left for work and announced I'd be back, so why try to paint me as a ghost?

As far as my rationale, I think i made a valid point. You replied to a fairly vanilla post with some odd paranoia.

Luckily, I planted proof of my Towniness in my opening post. Scum won't be able to see it, but Town will. I'm cleared.

Which leads us back to you.

I initially figured your paranoia seemed to be about the oddest thing I'd seen in this game, so I figured a vote would help flesh out your position.

And here you are, revenge voting somebody who is obviously and provably Town.

Also, if you're Town and you can't see why I'm cleared, don't worry. It's not a good time for you to admit that. However, if push comes to shove, I've read similar clues from at least one other player and can easily open the can of worms as needed to clear the air.

But right now, it's best to leave Scum guessing.

yep I'm sure everyone else but me noticed :unsure:

now I'll go look

as for revenge voting, I'm voting for you because this is something you do as scum. And... it seems no one else has agreed with your rationale, so how do you figure that?

My rational was to light a fire under your ass. I did.

Then you revenge voted me.

Ahh.... so your rationale was BS then? You are admitting that? Interesting. How is it scummy of me to vote you (not revenge vote but you keep on with that) because I have seen you as scum in prior games come out with a single case on a single person based on a rationale that NO ONE else in the game can see. Yep happy with my vote.
nostrum
18th January 2012, 05:12 AM
Oh... and.... you admit that you knew it was me? Cos that makes you look even scummier... lynch all liars and so forth...
nostrum
18th January 2012, 05:12 AM
Luckily, I planted proof of my Towniness in my opening post. Scum won't be able to see it, but Town will. I'm cleared.

You're completely bonkers.

:nada:
Amok
18th January 2012, 05:13 AM
I've done a quick, initial read.

Before going back to pick up individual posts, I'm concerned right now about:

1) Nostrum's FOS-that-wasn't on Athene;
2) Gonzo's "information in the PM" post;
2) Gonzo's vote on Jerome.

Before I went to work, I had an uneasy feeling about MZ, Fuzzy & Bolero, but I need to re-read that early part again.

Diva or Gib need to be Mayor.

Why do one of us need to be mayor? Why not you? Or Nostrum?

I agree with the uneasy feeling about MZ, I have posted ad nauseum about it but I think that I am trolley tracking on him. Fuzzy seems town to me and I would think that someone would be bussing Bolero right about now if she were scum.

Definitely not me for Mayor, for the same reason Fuzzy cited. Days end at 7 a.m. on alternate days for me, and I work evenings. I usually stay up until 3 or 4, but I'm rarely awake at 7 a.m.

Not Nostrum (at this point), because I have a doubt about her. Gib and Diva are (at this point) the most Townish to me, because of Scum-hunting.

I have no read on Fuzzy, but I'm ceding to Diva's previous knowledge (taking on board the outside possibility that a few have suggested about him purposefully skewing his game).

Even wasting the last hour reading the roles in the link Gonzo gave, I can't see any besides Mason and/or Lover that would make sense in light of his PM post. And I really can't make sense of revealing it at this point. Not to mention I've played one game where my Mason turned out to be Scum to my Town (Lovers on RatSkep), so I'm a bit jaded about that.

Back to Nostrum: I'm having a queasy feeling about the FOS on Athene. Athene pointed out the inaccuracy of the numbers from recent games that led to the original statement. And unless I'm missing it, Nostrum didn't react to that post, but suddenly pushes Athene for Mayor.

Please point me to the post you are feeling queasy over, because I don't know what you're talking about

Oh, oh. It wasn't you. It was Borealis, on Pages 23-24. Bad mistake. I wrote it down wrong, somehow. Bugger. Apologies.
Nightson
18th January 2012, 05:17 AM
Raven's Elder Futhark game on FF, scum received the following

The vanilla town role pm is in the following format:

You are [rune], the rune indicating [a list of 2-5 attributes, with or without some additional description]. You win with town.
http://123.writeboard.com/ocxsxachqpbtijxt (pw: Loki)

And Raven's Thanksgiving Mafia
Ooh…I forgot to give you guys the vanilla town role PM.

You are {dish}. You win with town.
http://123.writeboard.com/q2exlecycpofyipk (pw: salmonella)
Zigmen
18th January 2012, 05:18 AM
Attention VT players.

Count the words in your role PM.

Now, read my First post:

"Three Words"

First thing I fucking said in the game.

Now, I warned Town players who DIDN'T see the fucking clue to keep it to themselves. So, Nostrum, if you are Town, you just fucked yourself all up and I have no fucking sympathy for you.

And why would I plant this clue? Because I'm sick as shit of being the fucking day 1 scapegoat and easy lynch.

Also, since Gonzo's BW is obviously worthless since he's probably the Jester, and since I have a habit of going to sleep (as I'm about to do) and waking up dead, I have planted this excuse to save a Townie from lynching.

Myself.
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 05:18 AM
Fuzzy... A lot of talk about you being mayor... Would you do the job well or are you as unreliable as most people seem to think?

I wouldn't want athene as mayor. Or nostrum. I could go gib. I'll see.

A lot of talk? Exaggeration much? As for you thinking about fuzzy, either you're scum being sticky with your vote, or you are being obstinate for who-knows-why reason.



I unvoted fuzzy and voted gib hours ago.
Adenosine
18th January 2012, 05:18 AM
I was thinking about nostrum's new Mayor wagon in context of her play. It was a strange thing to do, especially with two other wagons available, including her own. If she didn't want gib she could have voted for herself. Who doesn't vote for themselves for Mayor when they don't like the alternative?

Evidently you think scum do, why do you think that?

What do you think Nostrum's mayor vote says about Athene's alignment?

Part 1, scum don't want to be Mayor, that's self evident. I'm surprised you aske the question. Part 2, don't know. Wifom says either.

Is there any reason other than it's to stupid to be scum not to vote for gonzo?

I don't know what information he might have received, if we are lovers then I do not know about it.

Adenosine, what do you think. This is smelling like his play in Nightson's game at FF (he was town), but he also tried some crazy shit in Zigmen's game at TR (he was scum).

I think we should leave him alive today and check tomorrow or the day fater. We have days to play with. People will watch him.

Way to go, town. So vote leader is gonzo, who had tied himself to diva. Then me (yep, following zigmen is good for your cred ade) or Jerome due to policy vote which is BS and unfair.

:colbert:

I didn't know Zigmen had a vote on you so that's irrelevant.

Speaking of Zigmen I totally see why he did that. Nice work.

I don't much like this. Gonzo has pretty much begged to be lynched, won't explain himself, and yet people are giving him what he wants by lynch voting him. I just have a feeling this is a bad move.

So, because i have a weak suspicion and it's the only serious suspicion I have about anyone currently, since the earlier no shows have turned up and sound pretty townish now, I'm left with

bolero

who has voted weirdly and explained it as saving her own arse, not been aware of game times, and generally been not real helpful.

If i can wake up early enough and it looks like there's a better case been made or Bolero has made a better case, I'll change my vote.

I'm going to bed.

If I start liking nostrum more I'm switching to bolero.
charlou
18th January 2012, 05:24 AM
Raven's Elder Futhark game on FF, scum received the following

The vanilla town role pm is in the following format:

You are [rune], the rune indicating [a list of 2-5 attributes, with or without some additional description]. You win with town.
http://123.writeboard.com/ocxsxachqpbtijxt (pw: Loki)

And Raven's Thanksgiving Mafia
Ooh…I forgot to give you guys the vanilla town role PM.

You are {dish}. You win with town.
http://123.writeboard.com/q2exlecycpofyipk (pw: salmonella)

Aye .. I had this in mind too. Now who else was it who made a point about how brief the vanilla town PM is? Daphne? *checks*
charlou
18th January 2012, 05:26 AM
Attention VT players.

Count the words in your role PM.

Now, read my First post:

"Three Words"

First thing I fucking said in the game.

Now, I warned Town players who DIDN'T see the fucking clue to keep it to themselves. So, Nostrum, if you are Town, you just fucked yourself all up and I have no fucking sympathy for you.

And why would I plant this clue? Because I'm sick as shit of being the fucking day 1 scapegoat and easy lynch.

Also, since Gonzo's BW is obviously worthless since he's probably the Jester, and since I have a habit of going to sleep (as I'm about to do) and waking up dead, I have planted this excuse to save a Townie from lynching.

Myself.
Not a very protown post for a vanilla townie, zigmen.
nostrum
18th January 2012, 05:52 AM
Attention VT players.

Count the words in your role PM.

Now, read my First post:

"Three Words"

First thing I fucking said in the game.

Now, I warned Town players who DIDN'T see the fucking clue to keep it to themselves. So, Nostrum, if you are Town, you just fucked yourself all up and I have no fucking sympathy for you.

And why would I plant this clue? Because I'm sick as shit of being the fucking day 1 scapegoat and easy lynch.

Also, since Gonzo's BW is obviously worthless since he's probably the Jester, and since I have a habit of going to sleep (as I'm about to do) and waking up dead, I have planted this excuse to save a Townie from lynching.

Myself.

If you're being legit, cheap ploy. Cheap, cheap ploy. Not impressed.

YOU fucked things up, you goose. :noo:
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 05:58 AM
so that whole bunch of posts comes down to whether ob gave scum the vanilla pm, in other words worthless wifom since we'll never know until the game is over. idk it feels like a ploy town zigmen would use, he loves leaving traps to bait scum. but usually he expects to pull a lynch when he does this sort of thing so him claiming it's to save himself goes against that.

zigmen, whose reactions do you think are the most telling from your little stunt?
charlou
18th January 2012, 05:58 AM
can anyone think of a role pm that would include the name of another townie?
No, I can't.
My role pm was short and sweet.
So, if Gonzo had something written in his role pm about Diva, he is either a special of some sort or is lying. Am I missing something here?

Daphne's mention of a brief role PM ... it doesn't look contrived.

Zigmen's 'plant' and subsequent comments about being cleared do.
Jerome
18th January 2012, 06:02 AM
And I have good reason to believe divagreen is town because of information I received in my PM.

bookmarked
Jerome
18th January 2012, 06:04 AM
*no, I am not claiming

Then what did you mean with your claim about what you received in your PM?
nostrum
18th January 2012, 06:07 AM
UT, elouise, if you could lynch someone right now, who would it be?
Jerome
18th January 2012, 06:07 AM
Gonzo if you are scum I am going to eat your testicles.

bookmarked
Nightson
18th January 2012, 06:08 AM
Current vote count by my reckoning
Zigmen (3) - Athene, nostrum, Fuzzy Fungi
Bolero (2) - magicziggy, borealis
Gonzo (2) - Jerome, Daphne Girl
nostrum (2) - Zigmen, adenosine
Jerome (1) - CGI
gib (1) - Bolero
magicziggy (1) - Uselesstwit
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 06:09 AM
UT, elouise, if you could lynch someone right now, who would it be?

right this second, gib or aden, but i really don't feel sure about it.
Jerome
18th January 2012, 06:10 AM
Gonzo, have you shit the bed?

http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26076
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 06:11 AM
or maybe leaving the vote on mz might work, he really hasn't looked like town mz today.
Jerome
18th January 2012, 06:12 AM
Raven's Elder Futhark game on FF, scum received the following

The vanilla town role pm is in the following format:

You are [rune], the rune indicating [a list of 2-5 attributes, with or without some additional description]. You win with town.http://123.writeboard.com/ocxsxachqpbtijxt (pw: Loki)

And Raven's Thanksgiving Mafia
Ooh…I forgot to give you guys the vanilla town role PM.

You are {dish}. You win with town.http://123.writeboard.com/q2exlecycpofyipk (pw: salmonella)

FOS on pulling writeboards from the ether.
nostrum
18th January 2012, 06:15 AM
UT, elouise, if you could lynch someone right now, who would it be?

right this second, gib or aden, but i really don't feel sure about it.

I'm getting bad vibes off gib.

Do you think zigmen is a goose who played a stupid cheap ploy that helped town not one little bit and was just a me-me-me thoughtless act, or do you think he's scum who got the vanilla PM and it's a deliberate ploy to tease out non-vanilla town?

Do you think I should out?
nostrum
18th January 2012, 06:15 AM
or maybe leaving the vote on mz might work, he really hasn't looked like town mz today.

Yeah I'm thinking perhaps indie.
nostrum
18th January 2012, 06:16 AM
UT, elouise, if you could lynch someone right now, who would it be?

right this second, gib or aden, but i really don't feel sure about it.

I'm getting bad vibes off gib.

Do you think zigmen is a goose who played a stupid cheap ploy that helped town not one little bit and was just a me-me-me thoughtless act, or do you think he's scum who got the vanilla PM and it's a deliberate ploy to tease out non-vanilla town?

Do you think I should out?

OK I'm thinking this through... he's still got his vote on me, so if he really was town with any pro-town thoughts, he'd have backed his vote off me.

Man..... should it be zigmen or gib to lynch today??
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 06:19 AM
or maybe leaving the vote on mz might work, he really hasn't looked like town mz today.

I'm busy... I'll be back soon enough
Jerome
18th January 2012, 06:21 AM
Man..... should it be zigmen or gib to lynch today??

What is your case on each, this seems a bit out of the blue.
nostrum
18th January 2012, 06:23 AM
Man..... should it be zigmen or gib to lynch today??

What is your case on each, this seems a bit out of the blue.

Hardly. I'm busy with home admin/dinner right now, read my posts.
Jerome
18th January 2012, 06:26 AM
Man..... should it be zigmen or gib to lynch today??

What is your case on each, this seems a bit out of the blue.

Hardly. I'm busy with home admin/dinner right now, read my posts.

Which of the 48 would be most enlightening?
divagreen
18th January 2012, 06:27 AM
UT, elouise, if you could lynch someone right now, who would it be?

right this second, gib or aden, but i really don't feel sure about it.

I'm getting bad vibes off gib.

Do you think zigmen is a goose who played a stupid cheap ploy that helped town not one little bit and was just a me-me-me thoughtless act, or do you think he's scum who got the vanilla PM and it's a deliberate ploy to tease out non-vanilla town?

Do you think I should out?

OK I'm thinking this through... he's still got his vote on me, so if he really was town with any pro-town thoughts, he'd have backed his vote off me.

Man..... should it be zigmen or gib to lynch today??

I really don't think that scum gib would make this (http://mindromp.org/forum/showthread.php?t=166&page=24) post.
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 06:30 AM
UT, elouise, if you could lynch someone right now, who would it be?

right this second, gib or aden, but i really don't feel sure about it.

I'm getting bad vibes off gib.

Do you think zigmen is a goose who played a stupid cheap ploy that helped town not one little bit and was just a me-me-me thoughtless act, or do you think he's scum who got the vanilla PM and it's a deliberate ploy to tease out non-vanilla town?

Do you think I should out?

OK I'm thinking this through... he's still got his vote on me, so if he really was town with any pro-town thoughts, he'd have backed his vote off me.

Man..... should it be zigmen or gib to lynch today??

which he are you talking about here? and why should they back off?
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 06:30 AM
that post goes to a daphne post diva
divagreen
18th January 2012, 06:34 AM
that post goes to a daphne post diva

scroll down to where gib calls me dumb.
charlou
18th January 2012, 06:39 AM
UT, elouise, if you could lynch someone right now, who would it be?

Zigmen is tempting .. his self serving lack of pro-town rationale for his gameplay and his passive aggression ... Isn't that often town Zigmen? Fuck knows I've been spectacularly wrong about thinking he was scum before. Call that hedging if you like, I'm just interested in lynching scum.

gib .. diva .. face value says town to me, but I have niggling doubts.

Right now Bolero looks like the best option for a day one lynch.

I believe we have some hours before nightfall? I want to see more posts before voting.
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 06:42 AM
that post goes to a daphne post diva

scroll down to where gib calls me dumb.

see that's the post that screams nontown gib to me. i don't remember him ever being blatantly insulting before.
divagreen
18th January 2012, 06:49 AM
that post goes to a daphne post diva

scroll down to where gib calls me dumb.

see that's the post that screams nontown gib to me. i don't remember him ever being blatantly insulting before.

well then you have missed our TR squabbles. He tries to wind me up (he does this to Daphne too) in order to get a town read and in order to drop his town calling card. He is probably writhing in anxiety cos I have not told him to fuck off yet.
Nightson
18th January 2012, 06:50 AM
I'd really prefer to get a different bandwagon going.

Uselesstwit
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 06:50 AM
that post goes to a daphne post diva

scroll down to where gib calls me dumb.

see that's the post that screams nontown gib to me. i don't remember him ever being blatantly insulting before.

well then you have missed our TR squabbles. He tries to wind me up (he does this to Daphne too) in order to get a town read and in order to drop his town calling card. He is probably writhing in anxiety cos I have not told him to fuck off yet.

so he never does that as scum?
divagreen
18th January 2012, 06:54 AM
that post goes to a daphne post diva

scroll down to where gib calls me dumb.

see that's the post that screams nontown gib to me. i don't remember him ever being blatantly insulting before.

well then you have missed our TR squabbles. He tries to wind me up (he does this to Daphne too) in order to get a town read and in order to drop his town calling card. He is probably writhing in anxiety cos I have not told him to fuck off yet.

so he never does that as scum?

did you see him do it in the FF game? No, I have not seen him do it as scum.

I know that this is meta and I also know that I have not been on the same page as him so far in this game.

What do you think of Elouise? What about Amok? What about Feck?
Amok
18th January 2012, 06:56 AM
UT, elouise, if you could lynch someone right now, who would it be?

right this second, gib or aden, but i really don't feel sure about it.

I'm getting bad vibes off gib.

Do you think zigmen is a goose who played a stupid cheap ploy that helped town not one little bit and was just a me-me-me thoughtless act, or do you think he's scum who got the vanilla PM and it's a deliberate ploy to tease out non-vanilla town?

Do you think I should out?

One thing I always remember about a mafia tutorial I read early on is that until people start getting cleared, the only one we can only really be sure of is ourselves - and that it's the duty of Town to protect Town (with certain sacrifice type situations excepted). I don't see trying someone save themselves early in the game as being anti-Town.
charlou
18th January 2012, 06:59 AM
UT, elouise, if you could lynch someone right now, who would it be?

right this second, gib or aden, but i really don't feel sure about it.

I'm getting bad vibes off gib.

Do you think zigmen is a goose who played a stupid cheap ploy that helped town not one little bit and was just a me-me-me thoughtless act, or do you think he's scum who got the vanilla PM and it's a deliberate ploy to tease out non-vanilla town?

Do you think I should out?

OK I'm thinking this through... he's still got his vote on me, so if he really was town with any pro-town thoughts, he'd have backed his vote off me.

Man..... should it be zigmen or gib to lynch today??
Just read this. Way to go, Zigmen. :rolleyes:

Don't out, nostrum. Fark, it's day one of a twenty player game and people are making claims already.

Okay, a Zigmen lynch looks like a good prospect too.
divagreen
18th January 2012, 07:02 AM
UT, elouise, if you could lynch someone right now, who would it be?

right this second, gib or aden, but i really don't feel sure about it.

I'm getting bad vibes off gib.

Do you think zigmen is a goose who played a stupid cheap ploy that helped town not one little bit and was just a me-me-me thoughtless act, or do you think he's scum who got the vanilla PM and it's a deliberate ploy to tease out non-vanilla town?

Do you think I should out?

One thing I always remember about a mafia tutorial I read early on is that until people start getting cleared, the only one we can only really be sure of is ourselves - and that it's the duty of Town to protect Town (with certain sacrifice type situations excepted). I don't see trying someone save themselves early in the game as being anti-Town.

Ping.

He wasn't trying to save himself, he was setting up a ploy by his words in order to catch scum.

What are you talking about.
charlou
18th January 2012, 07:05 AM
that post goes to a daphne post diva

scroll down to where gib calls me dumb.

see that's the post that screams nontown gib to me. i don't remember him ever being blatantly insulting before.
Yes, it stood out to me. At the time I put it down to gib pressuring diva to get a read on her. They became pally very quickly after that.

Does anything else about gib's gameplay add to your suspicion about him, UT?
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 07:10 AM
that post goes to a daphne post diva

scroll down to where gib calls me dumb.

see that's the post that screams nontown gib to me. i don't remember him ever being blatantly insulting before.

well then you have missed our TR squabbles. He tries to wind me up (he does this to Daphne too) in order to get a town read and in order to drop his town calling card. He is probably writhing in anxiety cos I have not told him to fuck off yet.

so he never does that as scum?

did you see him do it in the FF game? No, I have not seen him do it as scum.

I know that this is meta and I also know that I have not been on the same page as him so far in this game.

What do you think of Elouise? What about Amok? What about Feck?

but why are you on the fence about him if this is such a rock solid tell? you said you didn't think gib would make a post like that as scum, not he definitely wouldn't.

Elouise is looking like town atm, analyzing and posting her thoughts(althought she does have far to many vowels in her name)

amok has been on the quiet side but hasn't done anything scummy that i've caught yet.

feck looks like feck, crap participation and no help.
charlou
18th January 2012, 07:12 AM
I'd really prefer to get a different bandwagon going.

Uselesstwit

Why UT?
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 07:15 AM
that post goes to a daphne post diva

scroll down to where gib calls me dumb.

see that's the post that screams nontown gib to me. i don't remember him ever being blatantly insulting before.
Yes, it stood out to me. At the time I put it down to gib pressuring diva to get a read on her. They became pally very quickly after that.

Does anything else about gib's gameplay add to your suspicion about him, UT?

nothing solid, that's why i haven't voted for him, just an uneasy feeling that he's going thru the motions of what's expected of him.
divagreen
18th January 2012, 07:15 AM
scroll down to where gib calls me dumb.

see that's the post that screams nontown gib to me. i don't remember him ever being blatantly insulting before.

well then you have missed our TR squabbles. He tries to wind me up (he does this to Daphne too) in order to get a town read and in order to drop his town calling card. He is probably writhing in anxiety cos I have not told him to fuck off yet.

so he never does that as scum?

did you see him do it in the FF game? No, I have not seen him do it as scum.

I know that this is meta and I also know that I have not been on the same page as him so far in this game.

What do you think of Elouise? What about Amok? What about Feck?

but why are you on the fence about him if this is such a rock solid tell? you said you didn't think gib would make a post like that as scum, not he definitely wouldn't.

Elouise is looking like town atm, analyzing and posting her thoughts(althought she does have far to many vowels in her name)

amok has been on the quiet side but hasn't done anything scummy that i've caught yet.

feck looks like feck, crap participation and no help.

First off, I never said that this was a rock solid tell. Secondly, where am I on the fence about him?

Stop fucking misrepresenting me.
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 07:17 AM
elouise whats your read on diva?
charlou
18th January 2012, 07:17 AM
What about Feck?
Need more Feck.
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 07:24 AM
but why are you on the fence about him if this is such a rock solid tell? you said you didn't think gib would make a post like that as scum, not he definitely wouldn't.

Elouise is looking like town atm, analyzing and posting her thoughts(althought she does have far to many vowels in her name)

amok has been on the quiet side but hasn't done anything scummy that i've caught yet.

feck looks like feck, crap participation and no help.

First off, I never said that this was a rock solid tell. Secondly, where am I on the fence about him?

Stop fucking misrepresenting me.

read the post, then read this



I really don't think that scum gib would make this (http://mindromp.org/forum/showthread.php?t=166&page=24) post.

and



did you see him do it in the FF game? No, I have not seen him do it as scum.




so how is what i said a misrepresentation?
charlou
18th January 2012, 07:24 AM
UT, elouise, if you could lynch someone right now, who would it be?

right this second, gib or aden, but i really don't feel sure about it.

I'm getting bad vibes off gib.

Do you think zigmen is a goose who played a stupid cheap ploy that helped town not one little bit and was just a me-me-me thoughtless act, or do you think he's scum who got the vanilla PM and it's a deliberate ploy to tease out non-vanilla town?

Do you think I should out?

One thing I always remember about a mafia tutorial I read early on is that until people start getting cleared, the only one we can only really be sure of is ourselves - and that it's the duty of Town to protect Town (with certain sacrifice type situations excepted). I don't see trying someone save themselves early in the game as being anti-Town.

Ping.

He wasn't trying to save himself, he was setting up a ploy by his words in order to catch scum.

What are you talking about.
He said it was self-preservation.
charlou
18th January 2012, 07:29 AM
feck looks like feck, crap participation and no help.

That's pretty harsh .. You make it seem typical, but I don't think it is.

I've got no impression of feck's alignment with the little he's posted so far.
divagreen
18th January 2012, 07:30 AM
but why are you on the fence about him if this is such a rock solid tell? you said you didn't think gib would make a post like that as scum, not he definitely wouldn't.

Elouise is looking like town atm, analyzing and posting her thoughts(althought she does have far to many vowels in her name)

amok has been on the quiet side but hasn't done anything scummy that i've caught yet.

feck looks like feck, crap participation and no help.

First off, I never said that this was a rock solid tell. Secondly, where am I on the fence about him?

Stop fucking misrepresenting me.

read the post, then read this



I really don't think that scum gib would make this (http://mindromp.org/forum/showthread.php?t=166&page=24) post.

and



did you see him do it in the FF game? No, I have not seen him do it as scum.




so how is what i said a misrepresentation?

Saying "I don't think" is not the same as saying I have a rock solid tell, HTH. Saying "I have not seen him do this _" is not the same as saying that he would never do it, it is just within my experience that he hasn't and I don't think that he would. You are assigning absolutes to my posts which are simply not there. That is what you are misrepresenting.
charlou
18th January 2012, 07:32 AM
elouise whats your read on diva?

town atm.
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 07:34 AM
feck looks like feck, crap participation and no help.

That's pretty harsh .. You make it seem typical, but I don't think it is.

I've got no impression of feck's alignment with the little he's posted so far.

i don't have a read on his alignment either, in fact it's very rare i can read him, he always has a low post count and often isn't very interested in helping out it seems like. but he does have his moments.
divagreen
18th January 2012, 07:36 AM
UT, elouise, if you could lynch someone right now, who would it be?

right this second, gib or aden, but i really don't feel sure about it.

I'm getting bad vibes off gib.

Do you think zigmen is a goose who played a stupid cheap ploy that helped town not one little bit and was just a me-me-me thoughtless act, or do you think he's scum who got the vanilla PM and it's a deliberate ploy to tease out non-vanilla town?

Do you think I should out?

One thing I always remember about a mafia tutorial I read early on is that until people start getting cleared, the only one we can only really be sure of is ourselves - and that it's the duty of Town to protect Town (with certain sacrifice type situations excepted). I don't see trying someone save themselves early in the game as being anti-Town.

Ping.

He wasn't trying to save himself, he was setting up a ploy by his words in order to catch scum.

What are you talking about.
He said it was self-preservation.

It starts here (http://mindromp.org/forum/showthread.php?t=166&page=41).

Maybe we just have a different interpretation.
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 07:39 AM
he says he's saving himself here diva

http://mindromp.org/forum/showthread.php?p=3545#post3545
divagreen
18th January 2012, 07:40 AM
he says he's saving himself here diva

http://mindromp.org/forum/showthread.php?p=3545#post3545

I know, did you look at the preceding posts.
divagreen
18th January 2012, 07:41 AM
I am off for a bit, will be up before daybreak.
Amok
18th January 2012, 07:43 AM
UT, elouise, if you could lynch someone right now, who would it be?

right this second, gib or aden, but i really don't feel sure about it.

I'm getting bad vibes off gib.

Do you think zigmen is a goose who played a stupid cheap ploy that helped town not one little bit and was just a me-me-me thoughtless act, or do you think he's scum who got the vanilla PM and it's a deliberate ploy to tease out non-vanilla town?

Do you think I should out?

One thing I always remember about a mafia tutorial I read early on is that until people start getting cleared, the only one we can only really be sure of is ourselves - and that it's the duty of Town to protect Town (with certain sacrifice type situations excepted). I don't see trying someone save themselves early in the game as being anti-Town.

Ping.

He wasn't trying to save himself, he was setting up a ploy by his words in order to catch scum.

What are you talking about.

This was the last Oblivion vote count:

Lynch votes
gonzo - 4
Nostrum - 2
Jerome - 2
MZ - 1
gib - 1
bolero - 1
Zigmen - 1

Then Nostrum unvoted Gonzo & voted Zigmen. Fuzzy unvoted (?) and voted Zigmen.

Zigmen was suddenly at 3 and Gonzo was at either 3 (or 2, depending on who Fuzzy had previously voted to lynch). Then Zigmen revealed his clue.
I saw it as an attempt to save himself using a ploy to catch scum. I don't have a problem with either or both of those things.
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 07:49 AM
or maybe leaving the vote on mz might work, he really hasn't looked like town mz today.

Yeah I'm thinking perhaps indie.

Nope, town... Just busy. And about to get into this game.
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 07:50 AM
UT, elouise, if you could lynch someone right now, who would it be?

right this second, gib or aden, but i really don't feel sure about it.

I'm getting bad vibes off gib.

Do you think zigmen is a goose who played a stupid cheap ploy that helped town not one little bit and was just a me-me-me thoughtless act, or do you think he's scum who got the vanilla PM and it's a deliberate ploy to tease out non-vanilla town?

Do you think I should out?

Wtf?
nostrum
18th January 2012, 07:52 AM
Zigmen, I hope if you're town you're going to apologise for being a goose. Think about it. I mean, really think about it. Cheap ploy and anti-town. Then you have the hide to tell me you've no sympathy for me.

Yes, I'm pissed. It's also BLOODY obvious to scum that I don't have a VT PM.

Jesus I'm pissed. Way to go, zigmen. Way to go.
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 07:54 AM
that post goes to a daphne post diva

scroll down to where gib calls me dumb.

see that's the post that screams nontown gib to me. i don't remember him ever being blatantly insulting before.

If that's true... I don't agree it's nontown gib. I recall being on the end of tetchy town gin insults.
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 07:55 AM
Gib... Fuck-a-talk is messing with me
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 07:58 AM
Zigmen, I hope if you're town you're going to apologise for being a goose. Think about it. I mean, really think about it. Cheap ploy and anti-town. Then you have the hide to tell me you've no sympathy for me.

Yes, I'm pissed. It's also BLOODY obvious to scum that I don't have a VT PM.

Jesus I'm pissed. Way to go, zigmen. Way to go.

yeah, i didn't want to draw attention to it, but it was also a special trap. Maybe even more so since the vanilla pm wasn't posted in the pg like it sometimes is, so scum might have had a leg up in that regard depending on what info ob gave them. I'm just not sure scum zigmen would be so absolutely blatant about special hunting.
nostrum
18th January 2012, 08:03 AM
Zigmen, I hope if you're town you're going to apologise for being a goose. Think about it. I mean, really think about it. Cheap ploy and anti-town. Then you have the hide to tell me you've no sympathy for me.

Yes, I'm pissed. It's also BLOODY obvious to scum that I don't have a VT PM.

Jesus I'm pissed. Way to go, zigmen. Way to go.

yeah, i didn't want to draw attention to it, but it was also a special trap. Maybe even more so since the vanilla pm wasn't posted in the pg like it sometimes is, so scum might have had a leg up in that regard depending on what info ob gave them. I'm just not sure scum zigmen would be so absolutely blatant about special hunting.

OK I have no choice.

I am a one-shot day vigilante. It truly sucks that I have to out today.

Basically, I can prove my towniness (and become vanilla i.e. suck on that, scum) by killing someone. But I didn't want to do that today. Today I'm not sure.

So....I either rely on being doc protected overnight, then kill someone tomorrow, or I kill someone today. Hence my question of who you'd lynch.

I'm sorely tempted to kill zigmen. Sorely tempted.

Thoughts?
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 08:06 AM
scroll down to where gib calls me dumb.

see that's the post that screams nontown gib to me. i don't remember him ever being blatantly insulting before.

well then you have missed our TR squabbles. He tries to wind me up (he does this to Daphne too) in order to get a town read and in order to drop his town calling card. He is probably writhing in anxiety cos I have not told him to fuck off yet.

so he never does that as scum?

did you see him do it in the FF game? No, I have not seen him do it as scum.

I know that this is meta and I also know that I have not been on the same page as him so far in this game.

What do you think of Elouise? What about Amok? What about Feck?

but why are you on the fence about him if this is such a rock solid tell? you said you didn't think gib would make a post like that as scum, not he definitely wouldn't.

Elouise is looking like town atm, analyzing and posting her thoughts(althought she does have far to many vowels in her name)

amok has been on the quiet side but hasn't done anything scummy that i've caught yet.

feck looks like feck, crap participation and no help.

UT ...my recollection is you usually avoid such personalisations. Fos this
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 08:06 AM
i think it sucks to be you.
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 08:07 AM
elouise whats your read on diva?

town atm.

Rock solid town diva
Nightson
18th January 2012, 08:07 AM
You should absolutely kill someone today, it clears you. If it gets town an extra kill it's even more useful.

What's your suspect list at the moment?
nostrum
18th January 2012, 08:08 AM
MZ your game is seriously weird at the moment
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 08:11 AM
i think it sucks to be you.

Is that me?
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 08:12 AM
MZ your game is seriously weird at the moment

I am distracted... But have reached the end of the thread.

Kill bolero
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 08:14 AM
that last post was for nos. mz i often say x looks like x and then explain why, pretty sure i did it to bart the last tr game.

okay nos seriously, you have a couple of choices, take out zig since you seem to think it was a scum ploy, take out someone that you think is scum, take out gonzo for his halfout bs, or save the shot for later making yourself the likely nk. but either way you're going to be the likely nk. either because you have a bullet or because you used the bullet and cleared yourself as town. or you can go the truly harsh way and drop someone that can be a handicap to town at endgame.
nostrum
18th January 2012, 08:14 AM
You should absolutely kill someone today, it clears you. If it gets town an extra kill it's even more useful.

What's your suspect list at the moment?

I did strongly suspect zigmen, but I can't decide if he's scheming scum or goose town. Cheap ploy either way that he used, IMO.

I haven't liked gib's participation... he FoS'd me, then asked diva who she'd lynch, and he seemed OK with EVERY single one she'd listed. Although, she didn't list me and then he seemed to drop it. But so many others see town in him, so I don't know.

I could actually buy that adenosine waded in with his BS vote on me (which would mean zigmen is town) because he's scum and he knows I trolley track on him and he wanted to get in first with the suspicion, but I'm not getting a real scum vibe off him.

Borealis could be a possibility.

I could kill no-one, but then I'm not cleared and scum will just want to kill me (or maybe not, if they are confident I'm going to kill a townie they might wait until I'm cleared town).

Argh, I was going to just sit back until I felt sure about someone, then just kill them in the thread, with the secondary benefit of clearing myself as town and also becoming vanilla.

I have a job interview tomorrow morning, so I'm a bit distracted. I need input. I'll accept it from those I consider town.
nostrum
18th January 2012, 08:17 AM
that last post was for nos. mz i often say x looks like x and then explain why, pretty sure i did it to bart the last tr game.

okay nos seriously, you have a couple of choices, take out zig since you seem to think it was a scum ploy, take out someone that you think is scum, take out gonzo for his halfout bs, or save the shot for later making yourself the likely nk. but either way you're going to be the likely nk. either because you have a bullet or because you used the bullet and cleared yourself as town. or you can go the truly harsh way and drop someone that can be a handicap to town at endgame.

Yeah brutal might be the answer. But crap :twitch:
nostrum
18th January 2012, 08:17 AM
MZ your game is seriously weird at the moment

I am distracted... But have reached the end of the thread.

Kill bolero

I found her vote flip-flop towny :dunno: and I liked her vote on gib
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 08:18 AM
maybe we should each put up two names, one for lynch and one to be shot. i really agree this would be so much better on day 3 or 4 when our reads had something to them.
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 08:19 AM
Nostrum, UT... It would be fair to say you don't have a clue how to read me. I don't play to look townish ... I play to have my vote on a lynched scum at the end of the day.
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 08:21 AM
what about gonzo? every single time i've seen lovers the scum part of the pair is the one that got to know the others name, so we're going to have to deal with that at some point.
charlou
18th January 2012, 08:27 AM
what about gonzo? every single time i've seen lovers the scum part of the pair is the one that got to know the others name, so we're going to have to deal with that at some point.

But we might lose diva, so no.
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 08:35 AM
what about gonzo? every single time i've seen lovers the scum part of the pair is the one that got to know the others name, so we're going to have to deal with that at some point.

But we might lose diva, so no.


so what leave him until endgame when it's most beneficial to scum? or do you really think it's a two town lover pair that only one gets the others identity? and if that is the case why in the hell would he out? to give scum clear instructions on how to take out two town?
Amok
18th January 2012, 08:36 AM
Fuzzy did switch from Gonzo, so I have the vote count as:

Lynch votes
Zigmen - 3
gonzo - 2
Nostrum - 2
Jerome - 2
MZ - 1
gib - 1
bolero - 1
UT - 1

I still think Zigmen's Town, even though I now see the folly of using his first-post hint to Scum hunt (finding a Special) rather than just using it to save himself.

Doc should protect Nostrum overnight and then we attempt a double tomorrow - one vig kill and one lynch, sort of doing a double vote thing. What are the chances there's not a Doc in a basic, pure game with 20 players?
charlou
18th January 2012, 08:36 AM
You should absolutely kill someone today, it clears you. If it gets town an extra kill it's even more useful.

What's your suspect list at the moment?

I did strongly suspect zigmen, but I can't decide if he's scheming scum or goose town. Cheap ploy either way that he used, IMO.

I haven't liked gib's participation... he FoS'd me, then asked diva who she'd lynch, and he seemed OK with EVERY single one she'd listed. Although, she didn't list me and then he seemed to drop it. But so many others see town in him, so I don't know.

I could actually buy that adenosine waded in with his BS vote on me (which would mean zigmen is town) because he's scum and he knows I trolley track on him and he wanted to get in first with the suspicion, but I'm not getting a real scum vibe off him.

Borealis could be a possibility.

I could kill no-one, but then I'm not cleared and scum will just want to kill me (or maybe not, if they are confident I'm going to kill a townie they might wait until I'm cleared town).

Argh, I was going to just sit back until I felt sure about someone, then just kill them in the thread, with the secondary benefit of clearing myself as town and also becoming vanilla.

I have a job interview tomorrow morning, so I'm a bit distracted. I need input. I'll accept it from those I consider town.
re the bit I've bolded: I think you mean bolero? :]

I think we might lynch bolero? I would not have a problem with you hitting Zigmen.
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 08:39 AM
1. elouise - town
2. adenosine - nfi
4. gib - town
5. nostrum - 1-shot day kill
6. UT- scum
7. Gonzo- weird
8. Feck- scum
9. Jerome- nfi
10. Fuzzy Fungi- town
11. CGI- nfi
12. Athene- scum
13. Daphne Girl - nfi
14. borealis- nfi
15. ericv00- scum
16. Nightson - town
17. Bolero - scum
18. Zigmen- town
19. Amok - nfi
20. diva - town

Black, white and grey
This will help if nostrum decides to kill me.

Others should do the same before she pulls the trigger.

And she must pull the trigger today

My call on Eric is based on the one game I played with him where he stuck a vote on me for many many reasons at the beginning of day 1 because he didn't know me. Eric, what's your strategy this game if you are town? Do you know every player here well enough now?
Amok
18th January 2012, 08:40 AM
I can't stay awake anymore. I'll try to get up for a few minutes close to nightfall.

Bolero
charlou
18th January 2012, 08:44 AM
Amok, I think there's a good chance we have a doc and a cop in this game. Scum may have a blocker.

what about gonzo? every single time i've seen lovers the scum part of the pair is the one that got to know the others name, so we're going to have to deal with that at some point.

But we might lose diva, so no.


so what leave him until endgame when it's most beneficial to scum? or do you really think it's a two town lover pair that only one gets the others identity? and if that is the case why in the hell would he out? to give scum clear instructions on how to take out two town?

No, I didn't say I think it's a two town lover pair .. how would I know? I'm not sure I even believe Gonzo's claim. But if diva is his lover, losing her on day one would be a real shame. Unless she's willing to go so soon, I think it can wait.
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 08:46 AM
1. elouise - town
2. adenosine - nfi
4. gib - town
5. nostrum - 1-shot day kill
6. UT- scum
7. Gonzo- weird
8. Feck- scum
9. Jerome- nfi
10. Fuzzy Fungi- town
11. CGI- nfi
12. Athene- scum
13. Daphne Girl - nfi
14. borealis- nfi
15. ericv00- scum
16. Nightson - town
17. Bolero - scum
18. Zigmen- town
19. Amok - nfi
20. diva - town

Black, white and grey
This will help if nostrum decides to kill me.

Others should do the same before she pulls the trigger.

And she must pull the trigger today

My call on Eric is based on the one game I played with him where he stuck a vote on me for many many reasons at the beginning of day 1 because he didn't know me. Eric, what's your strategy this game if you are town? Do you know every player here well enough now?


:rofl: well mz at least you're consistent in your trolley tracking. so how many games in a row have you been wrong now? Still not going to recalibrate are you?
Uselesstwit
18th January 2012, 08:47 AM
i'm going to crash also, i think i like my vote where it is. mz's vote stuck the whole day, even with all his suspicions.
Magicziggy
18th January 2012, 08:49 AM
i'm going to crash also, i think i like my vote where it is. mz's vote stuck the whole day, even with all his suspicions.

It's based on your feck put down. Thinking you two are scum.
oblivion
18th January 2012, 08:55 AM
Please read my post here (http://mindromp.org/forum/showthread.php?p=3674#post3674) in the PG thread. Thanks!
Cpt. Gender Injustice
18th January 2012, 08:55 AM
I like tiny pages. I feel like I've accomplished a herculean feat when I go through 30 pages and it was like nothing!

I get the same feeling when I bench press cats

Fuzzy you are starting to look scummy, post relevant stuff.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
18th January 2012, 09:00 AM
A jester in a simple mafia game with no theme?

there's no theme but we don't know how simple it is, it might be full of weird roles and relationships.
Cpt. Gender Injustice
18th January 2012, 09:01 AM
but I love you. Isn't that what really matters?

Fuck me, will the seer please please please with sugar on top view Gonzo if he isn't lynched today.

Gonzo if you are scum I am going to eat your testicles.

Oh, well, I'm scum then guys. :hehe:

oh god is this guy so retarded all the time?

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