should members^ post count be shown in their posts? page 1
oblivion
16th January 2012, 03:48 AM
The vbulletin default is to show the post count in the member profile info attached to every post.. The idea of removing the post count came up early in the discussions about a new site, and Fuzzy Fungi brought it up today.
What do you think? Are we better with or without the post count prominently displayed?
I'll attach a poll to this thread.
What do you think? Are we better with or without the post count prominently displayed?
I'll attach a poll to this thread.
Gawdzilla
16th January 2012, 03:50 AM
Date joined is good. Post count is irrelevant.
Grumps
16th January 2012, 03:56 AM
But how will I pretend to be better than everybody else if I can't have it affirmed numerically?
But in all seriousness, it doesn't really mean anything. I suppose if people are earnestly self-conscious, add a way for them to fiddle with their own display?
Giggity.
But in all seriousness, it doesn't really mean anything. I suppose if people are earnestly self-conscious, add a way for them to fiddle with their own display?
Giggity.
Gawdzilla
16th January 2012, 03:57 AM
I'm in 6 figures on three forums, and most people will tell you that bears no relation to the actual quality of my posts.
ConvolutedLogic
16th January 2012, 04:03 AM
Don't care. All forums self-destruct eventually. :]
Mr. Mellow
16th January 2012, 04:04 AM
They make me feel inadequate about the size of my... post count.
Gawdzilla
16th January 2012, 04:10 AM
They make me feel inadequate about the size of my... post count.
It's not the size, it's how you use it.
Um, you do use it, right?
It's not the size, it's how you use it.
Um, you do use it, right?
Jerome
16th January 2012, 04:15 AM
I voted to remove it.
Jerome
16th January 2012, 04:17 AM
I'm in 6 figures on three forums
weird-o
I can see why you don't want that known.
weird-o
I can see why you don't want that known.
ashley
16th January 2012, 04:18 AM
Date joined is good. Post count is irrelevant.
:this:
:this:
Mr. Mellow
16th January 2012, 04:20 AM
They make me feel inadequate about the size of my... post count.
It's not the size, it's how you use it.
Um, you do use it, right?
You can count on it.*
*Just not too high :hehe:
It's not the size, it's how you use it.
Um, you do use it, right?
You can count on it.*
*Just not too high :hehe:
nostrum
16th January 2012, 05:31 AM
I'm on tapa. My vote will be No once I get on a computer
nostrum
16th January 2012, 05:32 AM
^assuming No is no to showing post counts
Hermit
16th January 2012, 05:53 AM
No tally, thanks, and if there's a poll about joining dates I'd vote against displaying them too. If anyone really feels a need to find out either they can always check out the relevant profile.
Oh, and on a tangent: Can polls be configured to allow revoting?
Oh, and on a tangent: Can polls be configured to allow revoting?
Magicziggy
16th January 2012, 06:01 AM
I'm on tapa. My vote will be No once I get on a computer
:this:
:this:
Gonzo
16th January 2012, 08:29 AM
I guess join date is good enough to tell if someone is newb, but I voted to leave it. It's not that big of a deal and I understand just doing little things differently here, but I like to keep track of my own posts. Mostly care less about everyone elses' counts.
Exi5tentialist
16th January 2012, 09:18 AM
I look at most people's post counts, it gives me an idea of how deranged they are.
Magicziggy
16th January 2012, 12:25 PM
I actually like the roman numeral thing that FF uses because I really can't be stuffed working it out.
Can we use Hex?
That would be cool... and geeky ... or is that nerdy ... or dorky...:confused:
Can we use Hex?
That would be cool... and geeky ... or is that nerdy ... or dorky...:confused:
Gawdzilla
16th January 2012, 12:52 PM
I'm in 6 figures on three forums
weird-o
I can see why you don't want that known.
Meh, the other two are "work" forums. Mostly "I agree with post #77" or "I disagree with post #78".
weird-o
I can see why you don't want that known.
Meh, the other two are "work" forums. Mostly "I agree with post #77" or "I disagree with post #78".
oblivion
16th January 2012, 02:03 PM
I guess join date is good enough to tell if someone is newb, but I voted to leave it. It's not that big of a deal and I understand just doing little things differently here, but I like to keep track of my own posts. Mostly care less about everyone elses' counts.
Post counts would still be there in the profile statistics tab. Just not on every post.
Post counts would still be there in the profile statistics tab. Just not on every post.
Gonzo
16th January 2012, 02:06 PM
Can we use Hex?
That would be cool... and geeky ... or is that nerdy ... or dorky...:confused:
Gonzo lieks this.
That would be cool... and geeky ... or is that nerdy ... or dorky...:confused:
Gonzo lieks this.
borealis
16th January 2012, 03:24 PM
No tally, thanks, and if there's a poll about joining dates I'd vote against displaying them too. If anyone really feels a need to find out either they can always check out the relevant profile.
Oh, and on a tangent: Can polls be configured to allow revoting?
I read that as 'can polls be reconfigured to allow revolting?', and thought that could be a useful choice now and then.
Oh, and on a tangent: Can polls be configured to allow revoting?
I read that as 'can polls be reconfigured to allow revolting?', and thought that could be a useful choice now and then.
ConvolutedLogic
16th January 2012, 03:51 PM
The post count should start from zero, and count backwards [negative numbers] :]
nostrum
16th January 2012, 03:54 PM
Can we use Hex?
That would be cool... and geeky ... or is that nerdy ... or dorky...:confused:
Gonzo lieks this.
I lieks this too
That would be cool... and geeky ... or is that nerdy ... or dorky...:confused:
Gonzo lieks this.
I lieks this too
ConvolutedLogic
16th January 2012, 03:59 PM
Can we use Hex?
That would be cool... and geeky ... or is that nerdy ... or dorky...:confused:
Gonzo lieks this.
I lieks this too
Nah, use Roman numerials to keep the Empire from falling.
That would be cool... and geeky ... or is that nerdy ... or dorky...:confused:
Gonzo lieks this.
I lieks this too
Nah, use Roman numerials to keep the Empire from falling.
Gonzo
16th January 2012, 04:02 PM
also an :ff: gimmick. Let's be original, okay?
oblivion
16th January 2012, 04:07 PM
found a roman numerals (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=222213)hack. Also found an old hack that posts graphics for post count ranges instead of the actual number. Might be able to do something fun with that.
Gonzo
16th January 2012, 04:19 PM
A to D-cup?
nostrum
16th January 2012, 04:35 PM
A to D-cup?
Cup sizes go way beyond that
Cup sizes go way beyond that
charlou
16th January 2012, 04:49 PM
I like the idea of pared down information .. username and av .. so that the evaluation of any member's contribution is fluid - a more realistic way to interact ... We don't go around with a neon billboard pegged to our shoulders, advertising our credentials ... well most of us don't ..
Fuzzy
16th January 2012, 06:35 PM
I like the idea of replacing post counts with pictures of boobs.
ConvolutedLogic
17th January 2012, 04:59 AM
I like the idea of replacing post counts with pictures of boobs.
I wonder if there is an "olfactory hack", it might please those who like to smell boobs.
I wonder if there is an "olfactory hack", it might please those who like to smell boobs.
MSG
17th January 2012, 07:27 AM
I'm used to having it so I voted to keep it.
Jerome
17th January 2012, 12:56 PM
Also found an old hack that posts graphics for post count ranges instead of the actual number.
I like the sound of this.
I like the sound of this.
Robert_S
17th January 2012, 09:14 PM
Can we use Hex?
That would be cool... and geeky ... or is that nerdy ... or dorky...:confused:
Gonzo lieks this.
I lieks this too
Nah, use Roman numerials to keep the Empire from falling.
In honor of 2012, I propose all board statistics be represented thusly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals
That would be cool... and geeky ... or is that nerdy ... or dorky...:confused:
Gonzo lieks this.
I lieks this too
Nah, use Roman numerials to keep the Empire from falling.
In honor of 2012, I propose all board statistics be represented thusly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals
nostrum
17th January 2012, 09:25 PM
Can we use Hex?
That would be cool... and geeky ... or is that nerdy ... or dorky...:confused:
Gonzo lieks this.
I lieks this too
Nah, use Roman numerials to keep the Empire from falling.
In honor of 2012, I propose all board statistics be represented thusly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals
Ooh that is so cool! Yes, can we do that please? Can we can we can we?
That would be cool... and geeky ... or is that nerdy ... or dorky...:confused:
Gonzo lieks this.
I lieks this too
Nah, use Roman numerials to keep the Empire from falling.
In honor of 2012, I propose all board statistics be represented thusly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals
Ooh that is so cool! Yes, can we do that please? Can we can we can we?
oblivion
17th January 2012, 09:58 PM
:staregonk:
any idea how tall the number representations would get, and how quickly they would grow vertically?
any idea how tall the number representations would get, and how quickly they would grow vertically?
Jerome
17th January 2012, 10:07 PM
In honor of 2012, I propose all board statistics be represented thusly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals
I dig it!
:thumbsup:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals
I dig it!
:thumbsup:
Fuzzy
17th January 2012, 10:22 PM
I still want boob postcounts
Eta: can it be user selectable?
Eta: can it be user selectable?
Robert_S
17th January 2012, 10:56 PM
:staregonk:
any idea how tall the number representations would get, and how quickly they would grow vertically?
You got a problem with things rapidly growing vertically?
any idea how tall the number representations would get, and how quickly they would grow vertically?
You got a problem with things rapidly growing vertically?
oblivion
17th January 2012, 11:36 PM
generally speaking?
Robert_S
17th January 2012, 11:54 PM
generally speaking?
:hehe:
:hehe:
Hermit
18th January 2012, 01:26 AM
:staregonk:
any idea how tall the number representations would get, and how quickly they would grow vertically?
Well, we could have Mayan numerals, but display them transposed into Indo-Arabic numerals. http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x59/Hermit_graphics/Smileys/0c8da583.gif
Or none at all. http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x59/Hermit_graphics/Smileys/emot-woot.gif
any idea how tall the number representations would get, and how quickly they would grow vertically?
Well, we could have Mayan numerals, but display them transposed into Indo-Arabic numerals. http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x59/Hermit_graphics/Smileys/0c8da583.gif
Or none at all. http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x59/Hermit_graphics/Smileys/emot-woot.gif
oblivion
18th January 2012, 01:28 AM
:aaah:
eta I'm working on something. probably sucks but maybe someone else will see it and have a brainstorm.
eta eta though transposing them to none at all has a certain charm.
eta I'm working on something. probably sucks but maybe someone else will see it and have a brainstorm.
eta eta though transposing them to none at all has a certain charm.
Cunt
18th January 2012, 02:08 AM
Can we use Hex?
That would be cool... and geeky ... or is that nerdy ... or dorky...:confused:
Gonzo lieks this.
I lieks this too
Nah, use Roman numerials to keep the Empire from falling.
In honor of 2012, I propose all board statistics be represented thusly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals
LOVE the Maya numerals, but it may be problematic. I think representing them in base '3' would be best (but don't ask me to work out the math)
Basically, I would like a post count to not be prominent (the way it is on most forums now) but to be found at need.
That would be cool... and geeky ... or is that nerdy ... or dorky...:confused:
Gonzo lieks this.
I lieks this too
Nah, use Roman numerials to keep the Empire from falling.
In honor of 2012, I propose all board statistics be represented thusly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals
LOVE the Maya numerals, but it may be problematic. I think representing them in base '3' would be best (but don't ask me to work out the math)
Basically, I would like a post count to not be prominent (the way it is on most forums now) but to be found at need.
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 02:59 AM
We can haz maya numerals!??!? :D
oblivion
18th January 2012, 03:21 AM
We can haz maya numerals!??!? :D
Not if you're looking to me to code it. :(
I'd tear my hair out trying to make something like that work.
I was thinking back on the idea of having some kind of graphic to represent a range of post counts. If someone wants to come up with a boob-based system that would be cool.
I tried to do something with wines/wine glasses.
I was thinking something like this:
White Wine
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/smwhite.png 1-100 posts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/medwhite.png 101-500 posts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/lgwhite.png 501- 1000 posts
Red Wine
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/smred.png - 1001-5000 posts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/medred.png - 5001-10000
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/lgred.png - 10001-20000
Port
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/smport.png - 20001-35000
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/medport.png 35001 - 50000 posts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/lgport.png 50001-100000 posts
And maybe a bottle of champagne for breaking 100001.
Not if you're looking to me to code it. :(
I'd tear my hair out trying to make something like that work.
I was thinking back on the idea of having some kind of graphic to represent a range of post counts. If someone wants to come up with a boob-based system that would be cool.
I tried to do something with wines/wine glasses.
I was thinking something like this:
White Wine
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/smwhite.png 1-100 posts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/medwhite.png 101-500 posts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/lgwhite.png 501- 1000 posts
Red Wine
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/smred.png - 1001-5000 posts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/medred.png - 5001-10000
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/lgred.png - 10001-20000
Port
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/smport.png - 20001-35000
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/medport.png 35001 - 50000 posts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/raven_s/lgport.png 50001-100000 posts
And maybe a bottle of champagne for breaking 100001.
Fuzzy
18th January 2012, 03:22 AM
I like that because red wine is clearly superior to white wine in every way
Gonzo
18th January 2012, 03:27 AM
:thumbsup: Very cool idea, oblivion. +1
ashley
18th January 2012, 04:09 AM
I don't like it. It just makes it into even more of a pointless status symbol.
oblivion
18th January 2012, 04:20 AM
I thought about that while I was pixillating wine. Post counts are pointless to a large extent. But doing something quirky with post counts does add a little uniqueness to a forum. The FF members who have joined have shared a little bit of how some features that were added to FF early on (and in some cases were developed specifically for Freethought Forum) add something special - something that makes imitations look kinda followy and cheap.
Post count indicators may not be the right way to add something unique that could be a signature of MindRomp.
Post count indicators may not be the right way to add something unique that could be a signature of MindRomp.
Fuzzy
18th January 2012, 04:23 AM
Maybe instead of having drinks based on post counts, maybe have little pixellated versions of each members favourite drink, chosen via the usercp?
I mean, some people might really like white wine and not want it to disappear after 1000 posts.
(I am not one of those people)
I mean, some people might really like white wine and not want it to disappear after 1000 posts.
(I am not one of those people)
charlou
18th January 2012, 05:04 AM
The vote so far is majority against vote count in posts.
Cute ideas but my 'no' vote includes any other indicator ... in other words, I'm not in favour of boobs, wine or any other replacement symbolism.
Cute ideas but my 'no' vote includes any other indicator ... in other words, I'm not in favour of boobs, wine or any other replacement symbolism.
Supernaut
18th January 2012, 05:07 AM
I don't see a point to removing it....though I am not necessarily opposed to removing it.
Cunt
18th January 2012, 05:23 AM
Can we have random numbers appear in our post counts? Changing regularly?
I don't like that sort of status either.
I don't like that sort of status either.
Robert_S
18th January 2012, 06:28 AM
I, and some others, do not drink wine. I suggest coffee instead, if anything.
Supernaut
18th January 2012, 06:31 AM
Coffee..........yum!
nostrum
18th January 2012, 08:00 AM
Can we have random numbers appear in our post counts? Changing regularly?
I don't like that sort of status either.
I'd love random numbers that change, if possible.
Sorry, but I really dislike the wine system. For one, it is a status symbol and people may feel the need to aspire to be red wine etc. For another, I don't drink. Nope, not relevant. But yeah, please no symbols, that is worse IMO than just a count.
I don't like that sort of status either.
I'd love random numbers that change, if possible.
Sorry, but I really dislike the wine system. For one, it is a status symbol and people may feel the need to aspire to be red wine etc. For another, I don't drink. Nope, not relevant. But yeah, please no symbols, that is worse IMO than just a count.
Floppit
24th January 2012, 01:33 PM
I voted to get rid. I'm a smallish poster but don't have an issue **twitch.. twitch..** but it'd be something different, they've always been there on forums and I can't see why I'd specifically want to know so it'd be nice to try a difference out.
Cunt
25th January 2012, 01:12 AM
Let's get rid of it already. Who is in charge here?
oblivion
25th January 2012, 01:17 AM
I'll work on it tonight.
nostrum
25th January 2012, 01:21 AM
Let's get rid of it already. Who is in charge here?
Wish I knew :rolleyes:
Wish I knew :rolleyes:
nostrum
25th January 2012, 01:22 AM
cool xpost
oblivion
25th January 2012, 01:23 AM
< code monkey
Jerome
25th January 2012, 01:48 AM
Let's get rid of it already. Who is in charge here?
:nada:
:nada:
Cunt
25th January 2012, 02:14 AM
Dammit! Now I feel like I gave an order...I just looked at the state of the votes and the fact that it is new and different and thought YAY!!!
Thanks oblivion.
Thanks oblivion.
Jerome
25th January 2012, 02:26 AM
I see post counts
:blanksay:
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjR8AFXDXNcgKhWdil9FdGqU3PLyczt80WoK8OfdlZ7BUZ09Wmm9z66Kzs-lSIvR5hMb32TuNImxRMNjsEx8K1efFWzhriPO64fmKL_8m54iuQVgY6mTkE_RLsak7JbzGIYEszQmBrR4-g/s1600/i_see_dead_people.jpg
:blanksay:
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjR8AFXDXNcgKhWdil9FdGqU3PLyczt80WoK8OfdlZ7BUZ09Wmm9z66Kzs-lSIvR5hMb32TuNImxRMNjsEx8K1efFWzhriPO64fmKL_8m54iuQVgY6mTkE_RLsak7JbzGIYEszQmBrR4-g/s1600/i_see_dead_people.jpg
oblivion
25th January 2012, 02:41 AM
Done.
I'm going to remove the top poster shit from the portal, too.
I'm going to remove the top poster shit from the portal, too.
nostrum
25th January 2012, 02:42 AM
Woot! It's great :hug: thanks code monkey :)
Cunt
25th January 2012, 02:52 AM
Thanks...I went looking around and didn't even come close to finding it.
Jerome
25th January 2012, 03:04 AM
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
charlou
25th January 2012, 03:36 AM
join date next? It's in our profiles if anyone wants to know.
eta, and members can include it in their "about me" field if they think it's important
eta, and members can include it in their "about me" field if they think it's important
oblivion
25th January 2012, 03:54 AM
I didn't realize we were removing the join date too. anything else?
Jerome
25th January 2012, 03:55 AM
I like join date, but I wouldn't mind.
Hermit
25th January 2012, 04:05 AM
I didn't realize we were removing the join date too. anything else?I brought it up in passing last year, but no discussion ensued. http://mindromp.org/forum/showthread.php?p=525#post525
oblivion
25th January 2012, 04:09 AM
ah yeah, I vaguely recall that.
charlou
25th January 2012, 04:58 AM
I didn't realize we were removing the join date too. anything else?
Just raising it here to see what others think. I'm thinking we might as well go the whole remove unnecessary default info under the avatar and leave people to include whatever they choose to include.
Just raising it here to see what others think. I'm thinking we might as well go the whole remove unnecessary default info under the avatar and leave people to include whatever they choose to include.
divagreen
25th January 2012, 01:54 PM
Feedback on post count and date joined...if this site gets really busy with lots of new joiners, the new members might get lost as members who know each other from previous forums duke it out.
That info helps identify new members instead of relying on the little feature we have at the bottom that says, "newest member".
I like the post count and the date of joining. It makes it easier to help people along, IMO.
If people are only responding to the people who have the most posts or have been here the longest then this site is totally missing its mark. I never pay attention to that shit anyway, is there anybody who will step up and say that they have except to burnsauce a frequent poster? Genuine inquiry.
That info helps identify new members instead of relying on the little feature we have at the bottom that says, "newest member".
I like the post count and the date of joining. It makes it easier to help people along, IMO.
If people are only responding to the people who have the most posts or have been here the longest then this site is totally missing its mark. I never pay attention to that shit anyway, is there anybody who will step up and say that they have except to burnsauce a frequent poster? Genuine inquiry.
charlou
25th January 2012, 02:19 PM
Feedback on post count and date joined...if this site gets really busy with lots of new joiners, the new members might get lost as members who know each other from previous forums duke it out.
That info helps identify new members instead of relying on the little feature we have at the bottom that says, "newest member".
I like the post count and the date of joining. It makes it easier to help people along, IMO.
A (very nice) perspective I'd not considered .. probably unfairly, due to past forum experience where such things as post count and reps are considered some kind of status symbol .. almost a rite of passage.. ickness.
If people are only responding to the people who have the most posts or have been here the longest then this site is totally missing its mark. I never pay attention to that shit anyway, is there anybody who will step up and say that they have except to burnsauce a frequent poster? Genuine inquiry.
It's a bit early to say if this site is missing its mark in that regard ;) .. pretty sure that's not the rationale behind wanting to remove the default status information.
That info helps identify new members instead of relying on the little feature we have at the bottom that says, "newest member".
I like the post count and the date of joining. It makes it easier to help people along, IMO.
A (very nice) perspective I'd not considered .. probably unfairly, due to past forum experience where such things as post count and reps are considered some kind of status symbol .. almost a rite of passage.. ickness.
If people are only responding to the people who have the most posts or have been here the longest then this site is totally missing its mark. I never pay attention to that shit anyway, is there anybody who will step up and say that they have except to burnsauce a frequent poster? Genuine inquiry.
It's a bit early to say if this site is missing its mark in that regard ;) .. pretty sure that's not the rationale behind wanting to remove the default status information.
Cunt
25th January 2012, 02:41 PM
I like it because it is different. I would like it even more if we could choose our 'post count', by either entering the number manually, leaving it 'correct', or a random number generator (1-100000, weighted near 1000)
ericv00
25th January 2012, 03:51 PM
With the post count displayed, it is easier for new members to figure out who can answer all questions when they can see who has 3-4 times as many posts as anyone else... oblivion. :D
divagreen
25th January 2012, 05:36 PM
If people are only responding to the people who have the most posts or have been here the longest then this site is totally missing its mark. I never pay attention to that shit anyway, is there anybody who will step up and say that they have except to burnsauce a frequent poster? Genuine inquiry.
It's a bit early to say if this site is missing its mark in that regard ;) .. pretty sure that's not the rationale behind wanting to remove the default status information.
When I said it was missing it's mark, I nearly changed that statement because it is hugely declarative. I didn't like it but I could not think of another way to convey what I meant.
I know that is not the rationale for you guys (Admins), but then I have had interaction with most of you. That rant was more directed towards possibly some members rather than the Admins. Or more specifically to those who assign a number to a comparative value system in which the highest post count is seen as more elite. Cos I really don't understand that thinking.
Not everyone likes to start an intro thread about themselves. (I didn't, but I participated in the welcome threads that were a nice alternative.) This is just some feedback that I hope you guys will consider in time. Right now it really isn't an issue but I think this site will get a lot busier and I would hate for anybody to fall through the cracks.
Also Eric brings up a good point. :)
It's a bit early to say if this site is missing its mark in that regard ;) .. pretty sure that's not the rationale behind wanting to remove the default status information.
When I said it was missing it's mark, I nearly changed that statement because it is hugely declarative. I didn't like it but I could not think of another way to convey what I meant.
I know that is not the rationale for you guys (Admins), but then I have had interaction with most of you. That rant was more directed towards possibly some members rather than the Admins. Or more specifically to those who assign a number to a comparative value system in which the highest post count is seen as more elite. Cos I really don't understand that thinking.
Not everyone likes to start an intro thread about themselves. (I didn't, but I participated in the welcome threads that were a nice alternative.) This is just some feedback that I hope you guys will consider in time. Right now it really isn't an issue but I think this site will get a lot busier and I would hate for anybody to fall through the cracks.
Also Eric brings up a good point. :)
maiforpeace
25th January 2012, 05:47 PM
They make me feel inadequate about the size of my... post count.
You aren't alone.
I like that the post count has been removed.
You aren't alone.
I like that the post count has been removed.
oblivion
25th January 2012, 05:52 PM
high post counts are an embarassment. :blush:
maiforpeace
25th January 2012, 05:55 PM
high post counts are an embarassment. :blush:
Well then, everyone's needs are being met. :hug:
Well then, everyone's needs are being met. :hug:
charlou
26th January 2012, 01:14 AM
eric, diva .. post counts and join dates are still available on members' profile pages, under "mini statistics".
Sugreeva
26th January 2012, 04:56 AM
I think post counts are irrelevant and should be replaced with phone numbers.
I'm at 310 289-8410.
I'm at 310 289-8410.
FedUpWithFaith
8th February 2012, 09:58 AM
Why NOT include post count? Is this hierarchy BS? You can use the information or not. More info is better.
I like to see both post count and join date. I like to see how active a poster is. In fact I'd like to see posts in last month.
The post count density gives me an idea how involved a person is with the forum without having to scan their post history. You want to remove that too? It's just convenient info.
I can understand why some posters don't want it listed. If it is very low they may worry they won't be taken as seriously. Well just keep posting then. We should judge posts by content anyway.
Others, perhaps like Gawdzilla above (if its the same guy I knew at Ratz) who have extremely high post densities, are basically embarrased by indicating they might not have a life - like me right now. Some people do spend too much time in forums. Maybe the number is a good idea to encourage them to get out of their mother's basement and go outside and breath fresh air once in awhile.
I like to see both post count and join date. I like to see how active a poster is. In fact I'd like to see posts in last month.
The post count density gives me an idea how involved a person is with the forum without having to scan their post history. You want to remove that too? It's just convenient info.
I can understand why some posters don't want it listed. If it is very low they may worry they won't be taken as seriously. Well just keep posting then. We should judge posts by content anyway.
Others, perhaps like Gawdzilla above (if its the same guy I knew at Ratz) who have extremely high post densities, are basically embarrased by indicating they might not have a life - like me right now. Some people do spend too much time in forums. Maybe the number is a good idea to encourage them to get out of their mother's basement and go outside and breath fresh air once in awhile.
oblivion
8th February 2012, 07:03 PM
Why NOT include post count? Is this hierarchy BS? You can use the information or not. More info is better.
I like to see both post count and join date. I like to see how active a poster is. In fact I'd like to see posts in last month.
The post count density gives me an idea how involved a person is with the forum without having to scan their post history. You want to remove that too? It's just convenient info.
I can understand why some posters don't want it listed. If it is very low they may worry they won't be taken as seriously. Well just keep posting then. We should judge posts by content anyway.
Others, perhaps like Gawdzilla above (if its the same guy I knew at Ratz) who have extremely high post densities, are basically embarrased by indicating they might not have a life - like me right now. Some people do spend too much time in forums. Maybe the number is a good idea to encourage them to get out of their mother's basement and go outside and breath fresh air once in awhile.
all of that, except the number of posts in the last month are available with one click on the member's name or avatar next to their posts. The number of posts in the last month is not captured, but you can use the member search facility to do all sorts of analysis if you are interested. You can list all members who have posted a certain threshhold number you define. You can list all users who have posted in the last month, week, day. You can list users who haven't posted in those timeframes, too.
The vbulletin member search facility is a very cool tool for people who get into number crunching.
I like to see both post count and join date. I like to see how active a poster is. In fact I'd like to see posts in last month.
The post count density gives me an idea how involved a person is with the forum without having to scan their post history. You want to remove that too? It's just convenient info.
I can understand why some posters don't want it listed. If it is very low they may worry they won't be taken as seriously. Well just keep posting then. We should judge posts by content anyway.
Others, perhaps like Gawdzilla above (if its the same guy I knew at Ratz) who have extremely high post densities, are basically embarrased by indicating they might not have a life - like me right now. Some people do spend too much time in forums. Maybe the number is a good idea to encourage them to get out of their mother's basement and go outside and breath fresh air once in awhile.
all of that, except the number of posts in the last month are available with one click on the member's name or avatar next to their posts. The number of posts in the last month is not captured, but you can use the member search facility to do all sorts of analysis if you are interested. You can list all members who have posted a certain threshhold number you define. You can list all users who have posted in the last month, week, day. You can list users who haven't posted in those timeframes, too.
The vbulletin member search facility is a very cool tool for people who get into number crunching.
nick
8th February 2012, 07:15 PM
Yah removing post counts is just fucking dumb
FedUpWithFaith
8th February 2012, 07:24 PM
Why NOT include post count? Is this hierarchy BS? You can use the information or not. More info is better.
I like to see both post count and join date. I like to see how active a poster is. In fact I'd like to see posts in last month.
The post count density gives me an idea how involved a person is with the forum without having to scan their post history. You want to remove that too? It's just convenient info.
I can understand why some posters don't want it listed. If it is very low they may worry they won't be taken as seriously. Well just keep posting then. We should judge posts by content anyway.
Others, perhaps like Gawdzilla above (if its the same guy I knew at Ratz) who have extremely high post densities, are basically embarrased by indicating they might not have a life - like me right now. Some people do spend too much time in forums. Maybe the number is a good idea to encourage them to get out of their mother's basement and go outside and breath fresh air once in awhile.
all of that, except the number of posts in the last month are available with one click on the member's name or avatar next to their posts. The number of posts in the last month is not captured, but you can use the member search facility to do all sorts of analysis if you are interested. You can list all members who have posted a certain threshhold number you define. You can list all users who have posted in the last month, week, day. You can list users who haven't posted in those timeframes, too.
The vbulletin member search facility is a very cool tool for people who get into number crunching.
Thanks Oblivion. Optimally, every member could set whether they want to see post count, member date, and/or whatever else is available AS THEIR CHOICE not the choice of the posters they're reading. Otherwise, this violates our transparency and privacy ethos though it might conflict a little with hierarchy but not in a justifiable manner.
I like to see both post count and join date. I like to see how active a poster is. In fact I'd like to see posts in last month.
The post count density gives me an idea how involved a person is with the forum without having to scan their post history. You want to remove that too? It's just convenient info.
I can understand why some posters don't want it listed. If it is very low they may worry they won't be taken as seriously. Well just keep posting then. We should judge posts by content anyway.
Others, perhaps like Gawdzilla above (if its the same guy I knew at Ratz) who have extremely high post densities, are basically embarrased by indicating they might not have a life - like me right now. Some people do spend too much time in forums. Maybe the number is a good idea to encourage them to get out of their mother's basement and go outside and breath fresh air once in awhile.
all of that, except the number of posts in the last month are available with one click on the member's name or avatar next to their posts. The number of posts in the last month is not captured, but you can use the member search facility to do all sorts of analysis if you are interested. You can list all members who have posted a certain threshhold number you define. You can list all users who have posted in the last month, week, day. You can list users who haven't posted in those timeframes, too.
The vbulletin member search facility is a very cool tool for people who get into number crunching.
Thanks Oblivion. Optimally, every member could set whether they want to see post count, member date, and/or whatever else is available AS THEIR CHOICE not the choice of the posters they're reading. Otherwise, this violates our transparency and privacy ethos though it might conflict a little with hierarchy but not in a justifiable manner.
oblivion
8th February 2012, 07:35 PM
If making it user configurable were reasonably doable, it would already be in place.
I don't see how it violates transparency, since it's all available to anyone who is interested.
As far as privacy goes, I don't think post counts and what not qualify as personally identifying info. If you post it, you own it, including your post count.
ETA: I would say that if the poll results change over time, the current configuration can be reversed.
I don't see how it violates transparency, since it's all available to anyone who is interested.
As far as privacy goes, I don't think post counts and what not qualify as personally identifying info. If you post it, you own it, including your post count.
ETA: I would say that if the poll results change over time, the current configuration can be reversed.
ficus
8th February 2012, 08:34 PM
post count leads to pathetic veteranism: voted no
FedUpWithFaith
8th February 2012, 10:08 PM
If making it user configurable were reasonably doable, it would already be in place.
I don't see how it violates transparency, since it's all available to anyone who is interested.
As far as privacy goes, I don't think post counts and what not qualify as personally identifying info. If you post it, you own it, including your post count.
ETA: I would say that if the poll results change over time, the current configuration can be reversed.
post count leads to pathetic veteranism: voted no
Seems like these too stands don't quite fit, especially if the information is available - just not convenient to tabulate.
The bottom line is that all your behavior in this forum that you control and does not violate another's limited privacy here should not be private. Agreed?
We also demand transparency so that nobody has special or more convenient access to info about members, correct? Because that would induce a potentially deleterious hierarchy.
BTW: do admins/mods see post count conveniently on their dashboard or can they read other's PMs?
So since the info is there anyway, I don't see how it inhibits veteranism much, especially since our core ethos inhibit it already.
Restricting the most convenient access to information is NEVER healthy. if you take that info and use it to support veteranism that's your probelm. I don't want any forum nannies restricting my convenient access to info or to inhibit the pursuit of same. When it comes to information distribution, the only argument I think is valid is one of priortiy. What info features do members want most and do we have the resources readily available to implement them? That's it.
I don't see how it violates transparency, since it's all available to anyone who is interested.
As far as privacy goes, I don't think post counts and what not qualify as personally identifying info. If you post it, you own it, including your post count.
ETA: I would say that if the poll results change over time, the current configuration can be reversed.
post count leads to pathetic veteranism: voted no
Seems like these too stands don't quite fit, especially if the information is available - just not convenient to tabulate.
The bottom line is that all your behavior in this forum that you control and does not violate another's limited privacy here should not be private. Agreed?
We also demand transparency so that nobody has special or more convenient access to info about members, correct? Because that would induce a potentially deleterious hierarchy.
BTW: do admins/mods see post count conveniently on their dashboard or can they read other's PMs?
So since the info is there anyway, I don't see how it inhibits veteranism much, especially since our core ethos inhibit it already.
Restricting the most convenient access to information is NEVER healthy. if you take that info and use it to support veteranism that's your probelm. I don't want any forum nannies restricting my convenient access to info or to inhibit the pursuit of same. When it comes to information distribution, the only argument I think is valid is one of priortiy. What info features do members want most and do we have the resources readily available to implement them? That's it.
oblivion
8th February 2012, 10:26 PM
If making it user configurable were reasonably doable, it would already be in place.
I don't see how it violates transparency, since it's all available to anyone who is interested.
As far as privacy goes, I don't think post counts and what not qualify as personally identifying info. If you post it, you own it, including your post count.
ETA: I would say that if the poll results change over time, the current configuration can be reversed.
post count leads to pathetic veteranism: voted no
Seems like these too stands don't quite fit, especially if the information is available - just not convenient to tabulate.
The bottom line is that all your behavior in this forum that you control and does not violate another's limited privacy here should not be private. Agreed?
there is a difference between not private and displayed on every post.
post counts are not private. You can click my profile and see my count right now, and so can anyone else
We also demand transparency so that nobody has special or more convenient access to info about members, correct? Because that would induce a potentially deleterious hierarchy.BTW: do admins/mods see post count conveniently on their dashboard or can they read other's PMs?I get to the info about post count the same way you do. It's way more convenient than using an admin tool to go look it up.
There are hacks out there that give admins access to member PMs. I have never installed one on a forum where I code-monkeyed and I never will. The request by other admins to do so would result in my immediate resignation and a deafening whistle-blow.
That said, I have both the database access and the skills to write SQL and dump some PMs in the event that we actually needed to do something like that - say a subpoena from law enforcement.
I actually had to use those skills once, when someone sent personally identifying information about another member to 20 or 30 other members at random. I wrote SQL to delete the PMs that he'd sent from the database completely. It was a pain, because it screwed up some hidden counts in the user profile table that I had to reverse engineer.
So since the info is there anyway, I don't see how it inhibits veteranism much, especially since our core ethos inhibit it already.were you addressing me? I haven't made that argument.
Restricting the most convenient access to information is NEVER healthy. if you take that info and use it to support veteranism that's your probelm. I don't want any forum nannies restricting my convenient access to info or to inhibit the pursuit of same. When it comes to information distribution, the only argument I think is valid is one of priortiy. What info features do members want most and do we have the resources readily available to implement them? That's it.ok. That's a good argument for the position you are arguing. Let's see where it goes.
I don't see how it violates transparency, since it's all available to anyone who is interested.
As far as privacy goes, I don't think post counts and what not qualify as personally identifying info. If you post it, you own it, including your post count.
ETA: I would say that if the poll results change over time, the current configuration can be reversed.
post count leads to pathetic veteranism: voted no
Seems like these too stands don't quite fit, especially if the information is available - just not convenient to tabulate.
The bottom line is that all your behavior in this forum that you control and does not violate another's limited privacy here should not be private. Agreed?
there is a difference between not private and displayed on every post.
post counts are not private. You can click my profile and see my count right now, and so can anyone else
We also demand transparency so that nobody has special or more convenient access to info about members, correct? Because that would induce a potentially deleterious hierarchy.BTW: do admins/mods see post count conveniently on their dashboard or can they read other's PMs?I get to the info about post count the same way you do. It's way more convenient than using an admin tool to go look it up.
There are hacks out there that give admins access to member PMs. I have never installed one on a forum where I code-monkeyed and I never will. The request by other admins to do so would result in my immediate resignation and a deafening whistle-blow.
That said, I have both the database access and the skills to write SQL and dump some PMs in the event that we actually needed to do something like that - say a subpoena from law enforcement.
I actually had to use those skills once, when someone sent personally identifying information about another member to 20 or 30 other members at random. I wrote SQL to delete the PMs that he'd sent from the database completely. It was a pain, because it screwed up some hidden counts in the user profile table that I had to reverse engineer.
So since the info is there anyway, I don't see how it inhibits veteranism much, especially since our core ethos inhibit it already.were you addressing me? I haven't made that argument.
Restricting the most convenient access to information is NEVER healthy. if you take that info and use it to support veteranism that's your probelm. I don't want any forum nannies restricting my convenient access to info or to inhibit the pursuit of same. When it comes to information distribution, the only argument I think is valid is one of priortiy. What info features do members want most and do we have the resources readily available to implement them? That's it.ok. That's a good argument for the position you are arguing. Let's see where it goes.
ficus
8th February 2012, 11:13 PM
It's all right that it is in the public files, easily accessible; why not? who cares? it is not information that should be secret: But displaying it with the user name has no other purpose but to act as a status symbol of some sort.
ficus
8th February 2012, 11:16 PM
It's all right that it is in the public files, easily accessible; why not? who cares? It is not information that needs be secret: But displaying it with the user name has no other purpose but to act as a status symbol of some sort.
(a pathetic status symbol, but...)
(a pathetic status symbol, but...)
charlou
8th February 2012, 11:32 PM
I kinda see this as a non-issue .. insofar as we could have the same debate about whether any other sort of information should be readily available under members' avatars.
I'm for members choosing what is displayed under their own avatar, rather than the information being there by default ... and I suppose that includes their post count, if that's their wish.
I'm for members choosing what is displayed under their own avatar, rather than the information being there by default ... and I suppose that includes their post count, if that's their wish.
oblivion
8th February 2012, 11:36 PM
I kinda see this as a non-issue .. insofar as we could have the same debate about whether any other sort of information should be readily available under members' avatars.
I'm for members choosing what is displayed under their own avatar, rather than the information being there by default ... and I suppose that includes their post count, if that's their wish.
If that is their wish and it's feasible for me to code. I'll add it to my research projects.
Something I should ask every time is if a given potentially difficult enhancement is worth paying an expert to write for us. To me, if its lack harms our ability to meet our core values, then it's a high enough priority to pay for. If it's of interest to a lot of members and we can raise the funds, it's also worth paying for.
I'm for members choosing what is displayed under their own avatar, rather than the information being there by default ... and I suppose that includes their post count, if that's their wish.
If that is their wish and it's feasible for me to code. I'll add it to my research projects.
Something I should ask every time is if a given potentially difficult enhancement is worth paying an expert to write for us. To me, if its lack harms our ability to meet our core values, then it's a high enough priority to pay for. If it's of interest to a lot of members and we can raise the funds, it's also worth paying for.
FedUpWithFaith
8th February 2012, 11:41 PM
Could one of you answer this please?
BTW: do admins/mods see post count conveniently on their dashboard or can they read other's PMs?
BTW: do admins/mods see post count conveniently on their dashboard or can they read other's PMs?
oblivion
8th February 2012, 11:43 PM
Could one of you answer this please?
BTW: do admins/mods see post count conveniently on their dashboard or can they read other's PMs?
Did you miss my post. I went to some effort to answer you.
BTW: do admins/mods see post count conveniently on their dashboard or can they read other's PMs?
Did you miss my post. I went to some effort to answer you.
FedUpWithFaith
8th February 2012, 11:47 PM
I kinda see this as a non-issue .. insofar as we could have the same debate about whether any other sort of information should be readily available under members' avatars.
I'm for members choosing what is displayed under their own avatar, rather than the information being there by default ... and I suppose that includes their post count, if that's their wish.
If that is their wish and it's feasible for me to code. I'll add it to my research projects.
Something I should ask every time is if a given potentially difficult enhancement is worth paying an expert to write for us. To me, if its lack harms our ability to meet our core values, then it's a high enough priority to pay for. If it's of interest to a lot of members and we can raise the funds, it's also worth paying for.
This is very interesting. I'd prefer the inverse of what Eloise wants. I'd like each of us to be able to set what convenient info we want to see for others.
One could use our core ethos to make good arguments for either side. This issue isn't very high priortiy for me, but it's interesting to see how Eloise has just used her perogative as owner to give a policy direction to Oblivion to explore. The poll doesn't seem to matter either.
I'm for members choosing what is displayed under their own avatar, rather than the information being there by default ... and I suppose that includes their post count, if that's their wish.
If that is their wish and it's feasible for me to code. I'll add it to my research projects.
Something I should ask every time is if a given potentially difficult enhancement is worth paying an expert to write for us. To me, if its lack harms our ability to meet our core values, then it's a high enough priority to pay for. If it's of interest to a lot of members and we can raise the funds, it's also worth paying for.
This is very interesting. I'd prefer the inverse of what Eloise wants. I'd like each of us to be able to set what convenient info we want to see for others.
One could use our core ethos to make good arguments for either side. This issue isn't very high priortiy for me, but it's interesting to see how Eloise has just used her perogative as owner to give a policy direction to Oblivion to explore. The poll doesn't seem to matter either.
FedUpWithFaith
8th February 2012, 11:52 PM
Could one of you answer this please?
BTW: do admins/mods see post count conveniently on their dashboard or can they read other's PMs?
Did you miss my post. I went to some effort to answer you.
Yes, somehow I missed it completely. I apologize! It was excellent and complete.
(I did not intend the veteran question to you so much except to whatever extent you might want to give an opinion - which are highly valued by me:thumbsup:)
BTW: do admins/mods see post count conveniently on their dashboard or can they read other's PMs?
Did you miss my post. I went to some effort to answer you.
Yes, somehow I missed it completely. I apologize! It was excellent and complete.
(I did not intend the veteran question to you so much except to whatever extent you might want to give an opinion - which are highly valued by me:thumbsup:)
oblivion
8th February 2012, 11:54 PM
I kinda see this as a non-issue .. insofar as we could have the same debate about whether any other sort of information should be readily available under members' avatars.
I'm for members choosing what is displayed under their own avatar, rather than the information being there by default ... and I suppose that includes their post count, if that's their wish.
If that is their wish and it's feasible for me to code. I'll add it to my research projects.
Something I should ask every time is if a given potentially difficult enhancement is worth paying an expert to write for us. To me, if its lack harms our ability to meet our core values, then it's a high enough priority to pay for. If it's of interest to a lot of members and we can raise the funds, it's also worth paying for.
This is very interesting. I'd prefer the inverse of what Eloise wants. I'd like each of us to be able to set what convenient info we want to see for others.
One could use our core ethos to make good arguments for either side. This issue isn't very high priortiy for me, but it's interesting to see how Eloise has just used her perogative as owner to give a policy direction to Oblivion to explore. The poll doesn't seem to matter either.
actually, I have in mind to explore everything I can find about opt-in/opt-out mini-profile info.
I'm agnostic as to which way is more ethos-y. One is aimed at making info displayed in vanilla vbulletin that coudl lead to assumptions about who are the valued or veteran members when reading posts. The other is aimed at putting the decision to view the info (with no clicks) in individual members' hands. To me, the goals are competing. They're also both attractive. Trade-off.
I'm for members choosing what is displayed under their own avatar, rather than the information being there by default ... and I suppose that includes their post count, if that's their wish.
If that is their wish and it's feasible for me to code. I'll add it to my research projects.
Something I should ask every time is if a given potentially difficult enhancement is worth paying an expert to write for us. To me, if its lack harms our ability to meet our core values, then it's a high enough priority to pay for. If it's of interest to a lot of members and we can raise the funds, it's also worth paying for.
This is very interesting. I'd prefer the inverse of what Eloise wants. I'd like each of us to be able to set what convenient info we want to see for others.
One could use our core ethos to make good arguments for either side. This issue isn't very high priortiy for me, but it's interesting to see how Eloise has just used her perogative as owner to give a policy direction to Oblivion to explore. The poll doesn't seem to matter either.
actually, I have in mind to explore everything I can find about opt-in/opt-out mini-profile info.
I'm agnostic as to which way is more ethos-y. One is aimed at making info displayed in vanilla vbulletin that coudl lead to assumptions about who are the valued or veteran members when reading posts. The other is aimed at putting the decision to view the info (with no clicks) in individual members' hands. To me, the goals are competing. They're also both attractive. Trade-off.
FedUpWithFaith
9th February 2012, 12:05 AM
Agree 100% thanks!
oblivion
9th February 2012, 12:08 AM
I think ideally you'd want both. Allow a member to hide that info if they wish. And allow a member to decide whether to display the info that other members haven't hidden.
FedUpWithFaith
9th February 2012, 12:15 AM
I think ideally you'd want both. Allow a member to hide that info if they wish. And allow a member to decide whether to display the info that other members haven't hidden.
I guess we part here. I still don't think any member here should control what info others can see have if it pertains strictly to ANY allowed behavior in this forum - including theirs.
But one could also make an argument that a member should control the info about themselves under their name.
Does your information you post at MR and the meta-data that derives from it belong to the individual, the forum, or both?
Given our ethos, I lean to the later. But I'm pretty open to argument so somewhat agnostic.
I guess we part here. I still don't think any member here should control what info others can see have if it pertains strictly to ANY allowed behavior in this forum - including theirs.
But one could also make an argument that a member should control the info about themselves under their name.
Does your information you post at MR and the meta-data that derives from it belong to the individual, the forum, or both?
Given our ethos, I lean to the later. But I'm pretty open to argument so somewhat agnostic.
oblivion
9th February 2012, 12:29 AM
I think ideally you'd want both. Allow a member to hide that info if they wish. And allow a member to decide whether to display the info that other members haven't hidden.
I guess we part here. I still don't think any member here should control what info others can see have if it pertains strictly to ANY allowed behavior in this forum - including theirs.
But one could also make an argument that a member should control the info about themselves under their name.
Does your information you post at MR and the meta-data that derives from it belong to the individual, the forum, or both?
Given our ethos, I lean to the later. But I'm pretty open to argument so somewhat agnostic.
The copyright model I've always believed in on forums is that each individual member owns the copyright to their own posts. They are free to repost their own posts anywhere on the internet they please.
There's an argument to be made that the forum management (whoever that is) owns the compilation, and could seek redress if someone was wholesale copying thousands of threads. I used to think about forums that way.
But, watching the work of individual members over a period of 10 years get sold to someone on IIDB, who almost immediately nuked threads in forums they no longer wanted to pay storage for changed my mind on that.
And watching what RD.net did to their own forum, making it almost impossible to locate old threads of interest, I no longer feel that way, especially if it's a non-commercial forum. The forum owner(s) hold the compilation in trust for the people who made the posts. If for some reason a forum has to shut down or be fully repurposed, what I would like to see is full copies of the entire content on CDs or DVDs available for sale - preferably for the cost of making the copies, not for profit.
I guess we part here. I still don't think any member here should control what info others can see have if it pertains strictly to ANY allowed behavior in this forum - including theirs.
But one could also make an argument that a member should control the info about themselves under their name.
Does your information you post at MR and the meta-data that derives from it belong to the individual, the forum, or both?
Given our ethos, I lean to the later. But I'm pretty open to argument so somewhat agnostic.
The copyright model I've always believed in on forums is that each individual member owns the copyright to their own posts. They are free to repost their own posts anywhere on the internet they please.
There's an argument to be made that the forum management (whoever that is) owns the compilation, and could seek redress if someone was wholesale copying thousands of threads. I used to think about forums that way.
But, watching the work of individual members over a period of 10 years get sold to someone on IIDB, who almost immediately nuked threads in forums they no longer wanted to pay storage for changed my mind on that.
And watching what RD.net did to their own forum, making it almost impossible to locate old threads of interest, I no longer feel that way, especially if it's a non-commercial forum. The forum owner(s) hold the compilation in trust for the people who made the posts. If for some reason a forum has to shut down or be fully repurposed, what I would like to see is full copies of the entire content on CDs or DVDs available for sale - preferably for the cost of making the copies, not for profit.
FedUpWithFaith
9th February 2012, 12:40 AM
In terms of copyright, I think that both the member and forum should own the copyright BUT users should be afforded the ability to exclusively copyright their individual posts that derive from material they independently produce outside the forum. If you want to post articles, book chapters, cartoons, etc. you've produced for yourself outside the forum you should be able to protect and own them exclusively. They have to place a copyright notice on each such post, it would not be implicit.
Jerome
9th February 2012, 12:54 AM
BUT users should be afforded the ability to exclusively copyright their individual posts
bullshit
bullshit
ficus
9th February 2012, 01:14 AM
In terms of copyright, I think that both the member and forum should own the copyright BUT users should be afforded the ability to exclusively copyright their individual posts that derive from material they independently produce outside the forum. What's this crazy talk?
If you think anything posted here by you is worth copyright you need to specify independently and register the copyright before posting.
If you think that posts are worth copyrighting, then I doubt you have an idea of worth.
If you think anything posted here by you is worth copyright you need to specify independently and register the copyright before posting.
If you think that posts are worth copyrighting, then I doubt you have an idea of worth.
Cunt
9th February 2012, 02:38 AM
I feel sad that you haven't experienced the 'worth' in postings which I have, ficus.
ficus
9th February 2012, 02:57 AM
I didn't say it was valueless activity; I said it wasn't worthy to be considered copyrightable material. But if it is, do copy and paste it in a writing program, and register it. Point is the idea that what someone posts here implies a copyright, and one shared by the board, makes no sense.
Jerome
9th February 2012, 03:02 AM
I feel sad that you haven't experienced the 'worth' in postings which I have, ficus.
Shall we copywright entire threads, because the majority of worthwhile posts are in context.
Shall we copywright entire threads, because the majority of worthwhile posts are in context.
oblivion
9th February 2012, 03:06 AM
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Jerome
9th February 2012, 03:11 AM
That in no way denotes copyright to an individual poster.
oblivion
9th February 2012, 03:16 AM
correct. however a creative commons copyright, configured properly could describe the copyright of posters vs the copyright of the compilation provided we hammer out enough details to do the configuration. Otherwise, we can write it in English, sort of like I did and sticky somewhere or add it to the FAQs.
Jerome
9th February 2012, 03:24 AM
omg
oblivion
9th February 2012, 03:29 AM
heh.
I've seen such copyrights on forums, Jerome. Some people care about that kind of stuff.
I'm ok with a plain English explanation. But if someone is worried that they can't reproduce a post they make here in a blog, or another forum, or a book, I don't want them to be concerned.
And I don't want people to worry that they'll forever lose access to their posts if the site goes belly up after a year.
I've seen such copyrights on forums, Jerome. Some people care about that kind of stuff.
I'm ok with a plain English explanation. But if someone is worried that they can't reproduce a post they make here in a blog, or another forum, or a book, I don't want them to be concerned.
And I don't want people to worry that they'll forever lose access to their posts if the site goes belly up after a year.
FedUpWithFaith
9th February 2012, 03:32 AM
In terms of copyright, I think that both the member and forum should own the copyright BUT users should be afforded the ability to exclusively copyright their individual posts that derive from material they independently produce outside the forum. What's this crazy talk?
If you think anything posted here by you is worth copyright you need to specify independently and register the copyright before posting.
If you think that posts are worth copyrighting, then I doubt you have an idea of worth.
You can copyright any document you create simply by printing on it:
Copyright (c) [YEAR] [YOUR NAME], All Rights Reserved (other variants allowed)
You don't have to register shit. That's simply an extra level of IP protection you can seek if you fear somebody might say they copyrighted your stuff before you (they might have been first by coincidence by creating virtually the same thing).
However, you can fuck up and lose your copyright by not so labeling it copyrighted on every copy and media where you publish it early on. Moreover, if you publish it in media that has properly provided notice that they own all the content published therein (subject to country of jurisdiction) you can also lose your rights. (Some countries also provide default content ownership to the publisher depedning on media type.)
So I'm copyrighting this post and given the fact that this site has posted no content ownership policy and because I'm pretty sure Austrailia is a signatory to the same international IP laws as my country, it should be in force.
There ya go -
Copyright (c) 2012, FedUpWithFaith, All Rights Reserved.
If you think anything posted here by you is worth copyright you need to specify independently and register the copyright before posting.
If you think that posts are worth copyrighting, then I doubt you have an idea of worth.
You can copyright any document you create simply by printing on it:
Copyright (c) [YEAR] [YOUR NAME], All Rights Reserved (other variants allowed)
You don't have to register shit. That's simply an extra level of IP protection you can seek if you fear somebody might say they copyrighted your stuff before you (they might have been first by coincidence by creating virtually the same thing).
However, you can fuck up and lose your copyright by not so labeling it copyrighted on every copy and media where you publish it early on. Moreover, if you publish it in media that has properly provided notice that they own all the content published therein (subject to country of jurisdiction) you can also lose your rights. (Some countries also provide default content ownership to the publisher depedning on media type.)
So I'm copyrighting this post and given the fact that this site has posted no content ownership policy and because I'm pretty sure Austrailia is a signatory to the same international IP laws as my country, it should be in force.
There ya go -
Copyright (c) 2012, FedUpWithFaith, All Rights Reserved.
Jerome
9th February 2012, 03:35 AM
what if a member is writing a book, and they use others' words in said book?
Jerome
9th February 2012, 03:38 AM
You can copyright any document you create simply by printing on it:
Copyright (c) [YEAR] [YOUR NAME], All Rights Reserved (other variants allowed)
and if you don't, it is still presumed copyright.
Copyright (c) [YEAR] [YOUR NAME], All Rights Reserved (other variants allowed)
and if you don't, it is still presumed copyright.
FedUpWithFaith
9th February 2012, 03:52 AM
what if a member is writing a book, and they use others' words in said book?
I actually looked into this when I was at RD.net. It's a little complicated but it can be done. Best to get permission and layout what you're doing upfront with the forum.
There is a limit to how much you can include, including even quote posts from other members that give my copyrighted posts context, before you risk IP conflict.
I actually looked into this when I was at RD.net. It's a little complicated but it can be done. Best to get permission and layout what you're doing upfront with the forum.
There is a limit to how much you can include, including even quote posts from other members that give my copyrighted posts context, before you risk IP conflict.
charlou
9th February 2012, 04:15 AM
I think ideally you'd want both. Allow a member to hide that info if they wish. And allow a member to decide whether to display the info that other members haven't hidden.
I guess we part here. I still don't think any member here should control what info others can see have if it pertains strictly to ANY allowed behavior in this forum - including theirs.
But one could also make an argument that a member should control the info about themselves under their name.
Does your information you post at MR and the meta-data that derives from it belong to the individual, the forum, or both?
Given our ethos, I lean to the later. But I'm pretty open to argument so somewhat agnostic.
The copyright model I've always believed in on forums is that each individual member owns the copyright to their own posts. They are free to repost their own posts anywhere on the internet they please.
There's an argument to be made that the forum management (whoever that is) owns the compilation, and could seek redress if someone was wholesale copying thousands of threads. I used to think about forums that way.
But, watching the work of individual members over a period of 10 years get sold to someone on IIDB, who almost immediately nuked threads in forums they no longer wanted to pay storage for changed my mind on that.
And watching what RD.net did to their own forum, making it almost impossible to locate old threads of interest, I no longer feel that way, especially if it's a non-commercial forum. The forum owner(s) hold the compilation in trust for the people who made the posts. If for some reason a forum has to shut down or be fully repurposed, what I would like to see is full copies of the entire content on CDs or DVDs available for sale - preferably for the cost of making the copies, not for profit.
Ayep.
There's a stickied thread in The Wilder Web subforum of rationalia that points to a couple of ways to access the RDnet content: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=9063
I guess we part here. I still don't think any member here should control what info others can see have if it pertains strictly to ANY allowed behavior in this forum - including theirs.
But one could also make an argument that a member should control the info about themselves under their name.
Does your information you post at MR and the meta-data that derives from it belong to the individual, the forum, or both?
Given our ethos, I lean to the later. But I'm pretty open to argument so somewhat agnostic.
The copyright model I've always believed in on forums is that each individual member owns the copyright to their own posts. They are free to repost their own posts anywhere on the internet they please.
There's an argument to be made that the forum management (whoever that is) owns the compilation, and could seek redress if someone was wholesale copying thousands of threads. I used to think about forums that way.
But, watching the work of individual members over a period of 10 years get sold to someone on IIDB, who almost immediately nuked threads in forums they no longer wanted to pay storage for changed my mind on that.
And watching what RD.net did to their own forum, making it almost impossible to locate old threads of interest, I no longer feel that way, especially if it's a non-commercial forum. The forum owner(s) hold the compilation in trust for the people who made the posts. If for some reason a forum has to shut down or be fully repurposed, what I would like to see is full copies of the entire content on CDs or DVDs available for sale - preferably for the cost of making the copies, not for profit.
Ayep.
There's a stickied thread in The Wilder Web subforum of rationalia that points to a couple of ways to access the RDnet content: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=9063
ficus
9th February 2012, 04:52 AM
123 upwards :facepalm:
Teshi
9th February 2012, 08:19 AM
This issue isn't very high priortiy for me, but it's interesting to see how Eloise has just used her perogative as owner to give a policy direction to Oblivion to explore. The poll doesn't seem to matter either.
You've kind of got a thing about Eloise, don't you?
You've kind of got a thing about Eloise, don't you?
nick
9th February 2012, 01:42 PM
In terms of copyright, I think that both the member and forum should own the copyright BUT users should be afforded the ability to exclusively copyright their individual posts that derive from material they independently produce outside the forum. What's this crazy talk?
If you think anything posted here by you is worth copyright you need to specify independently and register the copyright before posting.
If you think that posts are worth copyrighting, then I doubt you have an idea of worth.
You can copyright any document you create simply by printing on it:
Copyright (c) [YEAR] [YOUR NAME], All Rights Reserved (other variants allowed)
You don't have to register shit. That's simply an extra level of IP protection you can seek if you fear somebody might say they copyrighted your stuff before you (they might have been first by coincidence by creating virtually the same thing).
However, you can fuck up and lose your copyright by not so labeling it copyrighted on every copy and media where you publish it early on. Moreover, if you publish it in media that has properly provided notice that they own all the content published therein (subject to country of jurisdiction) you can also lose your rights. (Some countries also provide default content ownership to the publisher depedning on media type.)
So I'm copyrighting this post and given the fact that this site has posted no content ownership policy and because I'm pretty sure Austrailia is a signatory to the same international IP laws as my country, it should be in force.
There ya go -
Copyright (c) 2012, nick, All Rights Reserved.
If you think anything posted here by you is worth copyright you need to specify independently and register the copyright before posting.
If you think that posts are worth copyrighting, then I doubt you have an idea of worth.
You can copyright any document you create simply by printing on it:
Copyright (c) [YEAR] [YOUR NAME], All Rights Reserved (other variants allowed)
You don't have to register shit. That's simply an extra level of IP protection you can seek if you fear somebody might say they copyrighted your stuff before you (they might have been first by coincidence by creating virtually the same thing).
However, you can fuck up and lose your copyright by not so labeling it copyrighted on every copy and media where you publish it early on. Moreover, if you publish it in media that has properly provided notice that they own all the content published therein (subject to country of jurisdiction) you can also lose your rights. (Some countries also provide default content ownership to the publisher depedning on media type.)
So I'm copyrighting this post and given the fact that this site has posted no content ownership policy and because I'm pretty sure Austrailia is a signatory to the same international IP laws as my country, it should be in force.
There ya go -
Copyright (c) 2012, nick, All Rights Reserved.
ficus
9th February 2012, 02:49 PM
nick: yes; my actual point was - internet chats are not a medium to be posting material of financial merit - unless it be a literary site or something. But, more importantly, the preoccupation with copyrighting posts is a reflection of placing to much importance on this type of "place". I have published several books, and some more magazine articles, and the thought of copyrighting anything I write in a discussion forum would never cross my mind.
Hermit
9th February 2012, 03:01 PM
internet chats are not a medium to be posting material of financial merit
I see no reason for others to agree with your value judgements. IP law certainly does not.
I see no reason for others to agree with your value judgements. IP law certainly does not.
ficus
9th February 2012, 03:18 PM
internet chats are not a medium to be posting material of financial merit
I see no reason for others to agree with your value judgements. IP law certainly does not.Yes, that's obvious... and you are missing my point:
I copyright my books, not conversations, that's my point.
I see no reason for others to agree with your value judgements. IP law certainly does not.Yes, that's obvious... and you are missing my point:
I copyright my books, not conversations, that's my point.
Hermit
9th February 2012, 03:38 PM
internet chats are not a medium to be posting material of financial merit
I see no reason for others to agree with your value judgements. IP law certainly does not.Yes, that's obvious... and you are missing my point:
I copyright my books, not conversations, that's my point.
Sorry for missing your point. What is it?
I see no reason for others to agree with your value judgements. IP law certainly does not.Yes, that's obvious... and you are missing my point:
I copyright my books, not conversations, that's my point.
Sorry for missing your point. What is it?
ficus
9th February 2012, 04:03 PM
what part about: I don't copyright conversations did you miss?
FedUpWithFaith
9th February 2012, 04:07 PM
nick: yes; my actual point was - internet chats are not a medium to be posting material of financial merit - unless it be a literary site or something. But, more importantly, the preoccupation with copyrighting posts is a reflection of placing to much importance on this type of "place". I have published several books, and some more magazine articles, and the thought of copyrighting anything I write in a discussion forum would never cross my mind.
Seraph is right.
Just check out David Thorn (http://www.27bslash6.com)who turned years of emails, chats, post-it notes and God knows what (still reading - funny shit!!) into a NYT best seller. Also I saw a show about some website forum with a "true confessions" section that turned the confessions into a best seller.
The reasons why you haven't thought of stuff like that is maybe why we haven't heard of you yet.
Seraph is right.
Just check out David Thorn (http://www.27bslash6.com)who turned years of emails, chats, post-it notes and God knows what (still reading - funny shit!!) into a NYT best seller. Also I saw a show about some website forum with a "true confessions" section that turned the confessions into a best seller.
The reasons why you haven't thought of stuff like that is maybe why we haven't heard of you yet.
ficus
9th February 2012, 04:16 PM
The reasons why you haven't thought of stuff like that is maybe why we haven't heard of you yet.:rolleyes: You haven't heard of me because you don't have access to my books, which deal with specific philosophical and technical subjects having nothing to do with internet forums... and are in Spanish. But you are wrong: In 2004 I saved all my threads from a forum with the intent of making it into a book; might still do it; it needs editing and fine tuning, which is why I find this copyright business Ludicrous; those things need editing. Anyhow, I don't care, I just find the preoccupation with these types of internet conversation-games excessive.
Hermit
9th February 2012, 04:31 PM
what part about: I don't copyright conversations did you miss?
What part of "I see no reason for others to agree with your value judgements. IP law certainly does not." did you miss? ;]
Oh, and now you're talking about your intent of making all "your" threads from a forum into a book? Nice about-face.
What part of "I see no reason for others to agree with your value judgements. IP law certainly does not." did you miss? ;]
Oh, and now you're talking about your intent of making all "your" threads from a forum into a book? Nice about-face.
ficus
9th February 2012, 04:53 PM
That's not an about face: My threads (threads I proposed a theme of) are not copyrighted, I would only copyright the finished product, which would have little resemblance to the original.
Hermit
9th February 2012, 06:08 PM
That's not an about face: My threads (threads I proposed a theme of) are not copyrighted, I would only copyright the finished product, which would have little resemblance to the original.The second line refers to this:internet chats are not a medium to be posting material of financial meritIf in 2004 you saved all "your" threads from a forum with the intent of making it into a book, you're mining the product of "internet chat". Do you intend to give those books away for free? If not, the content of "your" saved threads is as much of financial merit as the ore that is used to make panels for refrigerators, cars, stereo amplifiers and whatnot.
FedUpWithFaith
9th February 2012, 06:34 PM
Ficus, I've admitted mistakes before in the face of Seraph's relentless logic. Time for you to do so now. You'll have plenty of opportunities to kick his ass in the future. This is no biggie. We'll still love you.
ficus
9th February 2012, 07:01 PM
That's not an about face: My threads (threads I proposed a theme of) are not copyrighted, I would only copyright the finished product, which would have little resemblance to the original.The second line refers to this:internet chats are not a medium to be posting material of financial meritIf in 2004 you saved all "your" threads from a forum with the intent of making it into a book, you're mining the product of "internet chat". Do you intend to give those books away for free? If not, the content of "your" saved threads is as much of financial merit as the ore that is used to make panels for refrigerators, cars, stereo amplifiers and whatnot.no, you are mixing two different concepts: I do not post thinking what I post has financial merit, or any other particular importance, but a conversation. That was my initial statement. That is different from me once conceiving the idea of taking my threads in a site and using them as the basis for a book. I did not make those threads with any financial intention. Anyhow, my point was that I had indeed conceived that idea, not that I posted within that idea.
ficus
9th February 2012, 07:02 PM
Ficus, I've admitted mistakes before in the face of Seraph's relentless logic. Time for you to do so now. You'll have plenty of opportunities to kick his ass in the future. This is no biggie. We'll still love you.Well, his logic is wrong. He is mixing different concepts, intentions and time frames
Grumps
9th February 2012, 08:40 PM
The reasons why you haven't thought of stuff like that is maybe why we haven't heard of you yet.:rolleyes: You haven't heard of me because you don't have access to my books, which deal with specific philosophical and technical subjects having nothing to do with internet forums... and are in Spanish. But you are wrong: In 2004 I saved all my threads from a forum with the intent of making it into a book; might still do it; it needs editing and fine tuning, which is why I find this copyright business Ludicrous; those things need editing. Anyhow, I don't care, I just find the preoccupation with these types of internet conversation-games excessive.
We haven't heard of you because you're nobody.
We haven't heard of you because you're nobody.
FedUpWithFaith
9th February 2012, 08:52 PM
:hehe: If Grumps and I were both gay I don't know if we'd make passionate love or kick the shit out of each other. But I suspect it would be a bit of both.
ficus
9th February 2012, 09:00 PM
We haven't heard of you because you're nobody.that's precisely why I am found in listings of famous artists....
FedUpWithFaith
9th February 2012, 09:01 PM
This issue isn't very high priortiy for me, but it's interesting to see how Eloise has just used her perogative as owner to give a policy direction to Oblivion to explore. The poll doesn't seem to matter either.
You've kind of got a thing about Eloise, don't you?
I adore her actually. Terribly jealous of Seraph.
I have to relegate myself to dipping her pigtails in inkwells.
You've kind of got a thing about Eloise, don't you?
I adore her actually. Terribly jealous of Seraph.
I have to relegate myself to dipping her pigtails in inkwells.
Grumps
9th February 2012, 09:06 PM
We haven't heard of you because you're nobody.that's precisely why I am found in listings of famous artists....
Most famous artists are nobodies as well, which is why they have to point out they're on a list.
If you were somebody, we would all go "Oh, that guy!"
But Morgan Freeman you ain't.
Most famous artists are nobodies as well, which is why they have to point out they're on a list.
If you were somebody, we would all go "Oh, that guy!"
But Morgan Freeman you ain't.
ficus
9th February 2012, 09:09 PM
We haven't heard of you because you're nobody.that's precisely why I am found in listings of famous artists....
Most famous artists are nobodies as well, which is why they have to point out they're on a list.
If you were somebody, we would all go "Oh, that guy!"My fame is built on time, not tabloids.
But Morgan Freeman you ain't.Thankfully not.
Most famous artists are nobodies as well, which is why they have to point out they're on a list.
If you were somebody, we would all go "Oh, that guy!"My fame is built on time, not tabloids.
But Morgan Freeman you ain't.Thankfully not.
gib
9th February 2012, 10:56 PM
You can copyright any document you create simply by printing on it:
Copyright (c) [YEAR] [YOUR NAME], All Rights Reserved (other variants allowed)
You don't have to register shit. That's simply an extra level of IP protection you can seek if you fear somebody might say they copyrighted your stuff before you (they might have been first by coincidence by creating virtually the same thing).
However, you can fuck up and lose your copyright by not so labeling it copyrighted on every copy and media where you publish it early on. Moreover, if you publish it in media that has properly provided notice that they own all the content published therein (subject to country of jurisdiction) you can also lose your rights. (Some countries also provide default content ownership to the publisher depedning on media type.)
So I'm copyrighting this post and given the fact that this site has posted no content ownership policy and because I'm pretty sure Austrailia is a signatory to the same international IP laws as my country, it should be in force.
There ya go -
Copyright (c) 2012, gib, All Rights Reserved.
Copyright (c) [YEAR] [YOUR NAME], All Rights Reserved (other variants allowed)
You don't have to register shit. That's simply an extra level of IP protection you can seek if you fear somebody might say they copyrighted your stuff before you (they might have been first by coincidence by creating virtually the same thing).
However, you can fuck up and lose your copyright by not so labeling it copyrighted on every copy and media where you publish it early on. Moreover, if you publish it in media that has properly provided notice that they own all the content published therein (subject to country of jurisdiction) you can also lose your rights. (Some countries also provide default content ownership to the publisher depedning on media type.)
So I'm copyrighting this post and given the fact that this site has posted no content ownership policy and because I'm pretty sure Austrailia is a signatory to the same international IP laws as my country, it should be in force.
There ya go -
Copyright (c) 2012, gib, All Rights Reserved.
Jerome
9th February 2012, 11:25 PM
lol @ Gib, Nick beat you to it.
Grumps
9th February 2012, 11:46 PM
We haven't heard of you because you're nobody.that's precisely why I am found in listings of famous artists....
Most famous artists are nobodies as well, which is why they have to point out they're on a list.
If you were somebody, we would all go "Oh, that guy!"My fame is built on time, not tabloids.
But Morgan Freeman you ain't.Thankfully not.
For what will history remember ye?
Most famous artists are nobodies as well, which is why they have to point out they're on a list.
If you were somebody, we would all go "Oh, that guy!"My fame is built on time, not tabloids.
But Morgan Freeman you ain't.Thankfully not.
For what will history remember ye?
FedUpWithFaith
9th February 2012, 11:52 PM
You can copyright any document you create simply by printing on it:
Copyright (c) [YEAR] [YOUR NAME], All Rights Reserved (other variants allowed)
You don't have to register shit. That's simply an extra level of IP protection you can seek if you fear somebody might say they copyrighted your stuff before you (they might have been first by coincidence by creating virtually the same thing).
However, you can fuck up and lose your copyright by not so labeling it copyrighted on every copy and media where you publish it early on. Moreover, if you publish it in media that has properly provided notice that they own all the content published therein (subject to country of jurisdiction) you can also lose your rights. (Some countries also provide default content ownership to the publisher depedning on media type.)
So I'm copyrighting this post and given the fact that this site has posted no content ownership policy and because I'm pretty sure Austrailia is a signatory to the same international IP laws as my country, it should be in force.
There ya go -
Copyright (c) 2012, gib, All Rights Reserved.
You have illegally created a deriviative work. I plan to sue.
Copyright (c) 2012, FUWF, All Rights Reserved
Copyright (c) [YEAR] [YOUR NAME], All Rights Reserved (other variants allowed)
You don't have to register shit. That's simply an extra level of IP protection you can seek if you fear somebody might say they copyrighted your stuff before you (they might have been first by coincidence by creating virtually the same thing).
However, you can fuck up and lose your copyright by not so labeling it copyrighted on every copy and media where you publish it early on. Moreover, if you publish it in media that has properly provided notice that they own all the content published therein (subject to country of jurisdiction) you can also lose your rights. (Some countries also provide default content ownership to the publisher depedning on media type.)
So I'm copyrighting this post and given the fact that this site has posted no content ownership policy and because I'm pretty sure Austrailia is a signatory to the same international IP laws as my country, it should be in force.
There ya go -
Copyright (c) 2012, gib, All Rights Reserved.
You have illegally created a deriviative work. I plan to sue.
Copyright (c) 2012, FUWF, All Rights Reserved
charlou
10th February 2012, 12:32 AM
I think forum discussion takes on various forms and has different value to different people. Much of what I post is throwaway stuff* .. but I have posted things I put a lot of thought into and would prefer someone else could not use and present as their own work. Stories and poetry that I share should be copyright.
*Aside ... An interesting thing I notice about forum interaction is how readily people adopt a new meme and it spreads. Even small personal quirks in posting style you think are yours can be taken on by other posters who like them ... it's a little disconcerting to see aspects of what one considers as ones personality being adopted by others.
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*Aside ... An interesting thing I notice about forum interaction is how readily people adopt a new meme and it spreads. Even small personal quirks in posting style you think are yours can be taken on by other posters who like them ... it's a little disconcerting to see aspects of what one considers as ones personality being adopted by others.
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FedUpWithFaith
10th February 2012, 12:35 AM
*Aside ... Even small personal quirks in posting style you think are yours can be taken on by other posters who like them ... it's a little disconcerting to see aspects of what one considers as ones personality being adopted by others.
Really? I don't find many here have a personality much less one worth copycating. :D
Really? I don't find many here have a personality much less one worth copycating. :D
charlou
10th February 2012, 12:39 AM
*Aside ... Even small personal quirks in posting style you think are yours can be taken on by other posters who like them ... it's a little disconcerting to see aspects of what one considers as ones personality being adopted by others.
Really? I don't find many here have a personality much less one worth copycating. :D
It doesn't happen often, but yes ... Not here that I've noticed, though. :p
Really? I don't find many here have a personality much less one worth copycating. :D
It doesn't happen often, but yes ... Not here that I've noticed, though. :p
oblivion
10th February 2012, 12:43 AM
*Aside ... Even small personal quirks in posting style you think are yours can be taken on by other posters who like them ... it's a little disconcerting to see aspects of what one considers as ones personality being adopted by others.
Really? I don't find many here have a personality much less one worth copycating. :D
It doesn't happen often, but yes ... Not here that I've noticed, though. :p
I designed a mafia game once that was a game within a game. One part of the game was impersonating a forum member that I assigned to each player. Guessing who they were "playing" was a game for both spectators and mafia players. And I had judges who picked the best impersonation.
I should do something like that again sometime.
Really? I don't find many here have a personality much less one worth copycating. :D
It doesn't happen often, but yes ... Not here that I've noticed, though. :p
I designed a mafia game once that was a game within a game. One part of the game was impersonating a forum member that I assigned to each player. Guessing who they were "playing" was a game for both spectators and mafia players. And I had judges who picked the best impersonation.
I should do something like that again sometime.
Jerome
10th February 2012, 12:46 AM
How do you copyright a conversation?
That is how I see forums, conversations.
That is how I see forums, conversations.
FedUpWithFaith
10th February 2012, 01:05 AM
How do you copyright a conversation?
That is how I see forums, conversations.
You can only copyright your transcript or recording of a conversation. But make sure you get the other party's permission for recording or you could be violating wiretap laws in some jurisdictions (like Maryland, where I live). Check if not sure.
That is how I see forums, conversations.
You can only copyright your transcript or recording of a conversation. But make sure you get the other party's permission for recording or you could be violating wiretap laws in some jurisdictions (like Maryland, where I live). Check if not sure.
FedUpWithFaith
10th February 2012, 01:09 AM
*Aside ... Even small personal quirks in posting style you think are yours can be taken on by other posters who like them ... it's a little disconcerting to see aspects of what one considers as ones personality being adopted by others.
Really? I don't find many here have a personality much less one worth copycating. :D
It doesn't happen often, but yes ... Not here that I've noticed, though. :p
I do remember a former biz partner over 20 years ago I used to work alongside whose mannerisms of movement and speech I picked up. I didn't notice it until my wife pointed it out and asked me to stop it. It actually took effort to break the habit. It also helped that he quit.
Really? I don't find many here have a personality much less one worth copycating. :D
It doesn't happen often, but yes ... Not here that I've noticed, though. :p
I do remember a former biz partner over 20 years ago I used to work alongside whose mannerisms of movement and speech I picked up. I didn't notice it until my wife pointed it out and asked me to stop it. It actually took effort to break the habit. It also helped that he quit.
Jerome
10th February 2012, 01:14 AM
You can only copyright your transcript or recording of a conversation. But make sure you get the other party's permission for recording or you could be violating wiretap laws in some jurisdictions (like Maryland, where I live). Check if not sure.
That is how we didn't get to hear Clinton's confession to rape, the other party to the conversation was in Maryland, she did not inform the President that he was being recorded. Had she made the phone call from DC or Virginia, we would have heard the confession.
That is how we didn't get to hear Clinton's confession to rape, the other party to the conversation was in Maryland, she did not inform the President that he was being recorded. Had she made the phone call from DC or Virginia, we would have heard the confession.
Jerome
10th February 2012, 01:17 AM
Most places it is one party consent, everyone is allowed to record their own conversations, it is like the right to take notes. The other party is giving implied consent as they are freely entering into the conversation.
ficus
10th February 2012, 01:30 AM
For what will history remember ye?PICTOR EXELENTISIMUS SUM ET LITERATI
ficus
10th February 2012, 01:31 AM
How do you copyright a conversation?
That is how I see forums, conversations.YES
That is how I see forums, conversations.YES
ficus
10th February 2012, 01:32 AM
Stories and poetry that I share should be copyright.YES. Those are not posts, those are 'ouvres'.
Hermit
10th February 2012, 01:43 AM
For what will history remember ye?PICTOR EXELENTISIMUS SUM ET LITERATINo need to shout. It adds nothing to your assertion.
Jerome
10th February 2012, 01:46 AM
a latino that can make latin words, whowouldhavethunk'
ficus
10th February 2012, 01:56 AM
For what will history remember ye?PICTOR EXELENTISIMUS SUM ET LITERATINo need to shout. It adds nothing to your assertion.That's not shouting: Latin is customarily written in capitals.
Eta: It adds gravitas and petulance.
Eta: It adds gravitas and petulance.
ficus
10th February 2012, 01:57 AM
a latino that can make latin words, whowouldhavethunk'Most Latinos can't... they speak Mexican.
Jerome
10th February 2012, 02:03 AM
either the online translators are shit, or your latin is
Hermit
10th February 2012, 02:20 AM
That's not shouting: Latin is customarily written in capitals.On monuments. Elsewhere it looks more like this:
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjZxk35A3uV7Bv0cxpHEOyNNYVghr6ScDsnzUWYYwCIGdvmKG6-nVjcrNvgyemET1cfrg5K5wbWWJame-Ru689vABasjN1otoC6RbFKTrY99o1nXIgi_ZdqTQs-MHrv6YRB79KSODXAMiBs/s1600/lorem+ipsum2.jpg
Eta: It adds gravitas and petulance.Omnia dicta fortiora si dicta Latina? Try "pretentious". And the petulance is purely down to you. :p
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjZxk35A3uV7Bv0cxpHEOyNNYVghr6ScDsnzUWYYwCIGdvmKG6-nVjcrNvgyemET1cfrg5K5wbWWJame-Ru689vABasjN1otoC6RbFKTrY99o1nXIgi_ZdqTQs-MHrv6YRB79KSODXAMiBs/s1600/lorem+ipsum2.jpg
Eta: It adds gravitas and petulance.Omnia dicta fortiora si dicta Latina? Try "pretentious". And the petulance is purely down to you. :p
FedUpWithFaith
10th February 2012, 02:26 AM
Try Pig Latin Ficus, it's less pretentious.
Ustjay admitway ouryay ongwray orfay issakeschray!!!
Ustjay admitway ouryay ongwray orfay issakeschray!!!
ficus
10th February 2012, 02:27 AM
either the online translators are shit, or your latin isI don't write in Classical Latin; I write in Latino Moderno Ficuscaricensis.
Dead languages are dead for a reason: No one uses them; Latinesque's purpose is purely for effect and decoration.
Dead languages are dead for a reason: No one uses them; Latinesque's purpose is purely for effect and decoration.
ficus
10th February 2012, 02:29 AM
That's not shouting: Latin is customarily written in capitals.On monuments. I thought you considered posts to be monumental... ;]
Grumps
10th February 2012, 05:51 AM
For what will history remember ye?PICTOR EXELENTISIMUS SUM ET LITERATI
I am disappointed in you son.
Edit: As for your 'latin in caps'.
REALLY? ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME? LATIN IS A VERY ANGRY LANGUAGE.
I am disappointed in you son.
Edit: As for your 'latin in caps'.
REALLY? ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME? LATIN IS A VERY ANGRY LANGUAGE.
ficus
10th February 2012, 01:33 PM
For what will history remember ye?PICTOR EXELENTISIMUS SUM ET LITERATI
I am disappointed in you son.But I am proud and triumphant....
LATIN IS A VERY ANGRY LANGUAGE.DELENDE GRUMPS...
I am disappointed in you son.But I am proud and triumphant....
LATIN IS A VERY ANGRY LANGUAGE.DELENDE GRUMPS...
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