The sign up agreement page 1

charlou

23rd December 2011, 03:08 AM

Cunt suggested this early on and the idea was met with thumbs up.

I favour a short, concise list of statements about the forum ethos that people registering must agree to by ticking agree to each statement, before their registration can be completed.

Cunt's idea is to have multiple choice questions that must be answered correctly before their registration can be completed.

Are either of these ideas implementable, ob?

General thoughts, ideas and suggestions, please.

oblivion

23rd December 2011, 03:22 AM

I think they are both implementable, but I am not sure that we can have someone get stuck on the quiz page until they score 100% or whatever using the quiz add-on I've seen at vbulletin. My javascript/c#/whatever skills are not up to the task of writing a quiz app from scratch. There may be a non-vbulletin app that I could modify for our needs, though.

A quiz that doesn't fail you, or a form with check boxes, those I could probably implement and configure in less than a day. I can move that to the top of my to-do list if it's on the critical path to opening day.

charlou

23rd December 2011, 03:40 AM

A quiz that doesn't fail you, or a form with check boxes, those I could probably implement and configure in less than a day. I can move that to the top of my to-do list if it's on the critical path to opening day.

re the bit I've bolded ... this is what I have in mind. It would be a replacement for, or addition to, the default "I agree" section people must tick on registration. A tailor made version. For user friendliness and best result, it would have to be a brief series of statements about our forum's unique ethos and expecations, and worded clearly and concisely.

charlou

23rd December 2011, 03:47 AM

We agreed on an 18+ forum?

Can the checklist be implemented as part of that "I certify that I am 18+" aspect to signing up?

Cunt

23rd December 2011, 03:53 AM

YES!

Okay, checklist...

1. You may take responsibility for a portion of the content of this forum by posting.

2. Only spam / illegal content will be removed. Say anything you want and stand behind it.

3. Personally identifying information will be removed by request.

4. Any request for admin action must be made publicly in the appropriate forum.

charlou

23rd December 2011, 04:07 AM

Concise!

Needs a couple more though

Admin actions are limited to technical maneuvres, deleting spam/spammers, and removing illegal content.

postcards are not protected.

those should be spelled out, too.

nostrum

23rd December 2011, 04:08 AM

Something about editing posts, too. Speaking of which, I'll start a new thread about that.

charlou

23rd December 2011, 04:09 AM

re the 18+ ceritification thing ... do we really need to have that? I mean, can we not have 18+ content regardless? Google does.

charlou

23rd December 2011, 04:11 AM

1. You may take responsibility for a portion of the content of this forum by posting.

I really like this as number one, by the way.

nostrum

23rd December 2011, 04:12 AM

^ me too, it just says it all IMO

oblivion

23rd December 2011, 06:09 AM

New Member Checklist (http://mindromp.org/forum/misc.php?do=form&fid=1)

Cunt

23rd December 2011, 06:56 AM

Fucking lovely.

Is that everything that needs saying?

nostrum

23rd December 2011, 07:37 AM

that's great!

charlou

23rd December 2011, 08:22 AM

It looks good, ob!


Maybe change some of the wording to be more personal ... ? I've changed the word 'manoeuvres' to 'procedures' as the former can have an unwanted connotation. I've made the part about postcards more explanatory. That last one could probably be trimmed/condensed ... ?



*I take responsibility for a portion of the content of this forum by posting

*I can say anything I want and will be responsible for what I say.

*Spam and illegal content will be removed. Personally identifying information will be removed by request.

*A request for admin action can be made in the appropriate forum and will be dealt with publicly.

*Admin actions are limited to technical procedures, deleting spam/spammers, and removing illegal content.

*While members may send Postcard Messages among themselves in relative privacy, the forum will not protect the privacy of members. I am responsible for my own interactions and disclosures.

charlou

23rd December 2011, 08:23 AM

I'm off to work, back in a few hours.

Cunt

23rd December 2011, 03:20 PM

*I take responsibility for a portion of the content of this forum by posting

*I can say anything I want and will be responsible for what I say.

*Spam and illegal content will be removed. Personally identifying information will be removed by request.

*A request for admin action can be made in the appropriate forum and will be dealt with publicly.
'can be' seems like one option of several. What do you think of making it more like 'must be' (too strong). My goal is to make it clear that only properly made complaints can expect to be dealt with.


*Admin actions are limited to technical procedures, deleting spam/spammers, and removing illegal content.

*While members may send Postcard Messages among themselves in relative privacy, the forum will not protect the privacy of members. I am responsible for my own interactions and disclosures.

Sounds great, Elouise! I especially like all the 'I' statements :)

oblivion

23rd December 2011, 03:29 PM

how about "is" instead of can be?

charlou

23rd December 2011, 03:42 PM

Thanks Cunt .. I'm not sure I can readily articulate why, but for me gathering our core values into some sort of tangible and informative, and hopefully indestructible/uncorruptable list is the most important and challenging aspect to setting this forum up.

oblivion

23rd December 2011, 04:10 PM

*A request for admin action can be made in the appropriate forum and will be dealt with publicly.

To request admin action, I will make a request post in the appropriate forum. My request will be dealt with publicly.

Also, where is the appropriate forum?

changes to functionality and structure - forum x
report a bad post - forum y
changes to governance - forum ?

charlou

23rd December 2011, 04:23 PM

*A request for admin action can be made in the appropriate forum and will be dealt with publicly.

To request admin action, I will make a request post in the appropriate forum. My request will be dealt with publicly.

Also, where is the appropriate forum?

changes to functionality and structure - forum x
report a bad post - forum y
changes to governance - forum ?
re the bits I've bolded ... Actually, do we even need any of that as part of the sign up agreement? It could be included in the FAQ?

charlou

23rd December 2011, 04:24 PM

^ Will still need something about dealing with issues publicly though.

oblivion

23rd December 2011, 04:25 PM

It looks good, ob!


Maybe change some of the wording to be more personal ... ? I've changed the word 'manoeuvres' to 'procedures' as the former can have an unwanted connotation. I've made the part about postcards more explanatory. That last one could probably be trimmed/condensed ... ?



*I take responsibility for a portion of the content of this forum by posting

*I can say anything I want and will be responsible for what I say.

*Spam and illegal content will be removed. Personally identifying information will be removed by request.

*A request for admin action can be made in the appropriate forum and will be dealt with publicly.

*Admin actions are limited to technical procedures, deleting spam/spammers, and removing illegal content.

*While members may send Postcard Messages among themselves in relative privacy, the forum will not protect the privacy of members. I am responsible for my own interactions and disclosures.

I've updated the form to reflect this. I think it's a work in progress, but I'll try to keep the form up to date with what is currently agreed upon.

If you want to look at the form and how it's defined, go to the quick links menu in the navbar. At the bottom of that list there is now a "form" link. Click that. On that page you can do several things. If you click the link to the only form (so far), you can see what the form looks like. There is a drop down box on the right side. It starts empty (fill out the form), but there are several options, including to edit or delete the form. You can also create a new form from that page. We may never need that option, but who knows!

oblivion

23rd December 2011, 04:29 PM

*A request for admin action can be made in the appropriate forum and will be dealt with publicly.To request admin action, I will make a request post in the appropriate forum. My request will be dealt with publicly.

Also, where is the appropriate forum?

changes to functionality and structure - forum x
report a bad post - forum y
changes to governance - forum ?
re the bits I've bolded ... Actually, do we even need any of that as part of the sign up agreement? It could be included in the FAQ?
It's all bolded? I'm guessing you mean the parts about which forums for what sorts of requests?

I was just asking from a "how are we going to set up the forums?" perspective.

There is an option to add some additional description after each question. We can eventually hook the descriptions up to links to FAQs, threads, whatever we like.

charlou

23rd December 2011, 04:36 PM

I meant to bold all of it.

I agree with we need to work out the forums we need for this ... and when we have, that information should be included in the forum FAQ ... which is separate to this sing up agreement.

oblivion

23rd December 2011, 04:46 PM

so you are thinking scratch that question altogether?

Or make the point a different way?

"I understand that all discussions about forum administration and admin actions take place in public forums"

Something like that?

charlou

23rd December 2011, 04:48 PM

It looks good, ob!


Maybe change some of the wording to be more personal ... ? I've changed the word 'manoeuvres' to 'procedures' as the former can have an unwanted connotation. I've made the part about postcards more explanatory. That last one could probably be trimmed/condensed ... ?



*I take responsibility for a portion of the content of this forum by posting

*I can say anything I want and will be responsible for what I say.

*Spam and illegal content will be removed. Personally identifying information will be removed by request.

*A request for admin action can be made in the appropriate forum and will be dealt with publicly.

*Admin actions are limited to technical procedures, deleting spam/spammers, and removing illegal content.

*While members may send Postcard Messages among themselves in relative privacy, the forum will not protect the privacy of members. I am responsible for my own interactions and disclosures.

I've updated the form to reflect this. I think it's a work in progress, but I'll try to keep the form up to date with what is currently agreed upon.

If you want to look at the form and how it's defined, go to the quick links menu in the navbar. At the bottom of that list there is now a "form" link. Click that. On that page you can do several things. If you click the link to the only form (so far), you can see what the form looks like. There is a drop down box on the right side. It starts empty (fill out the form), but there are several options, including to edit or delete the form. You can also create a new form from that page. We may never need that option, but who knows!

Thanks ... I can't tell you how much I appreciate all you've been doing in setting this up. Your contribution is invaluable, ob ... biggest hugs.

charlou

23rd December 2011, 04:50 PM

so you are thinking scratch that question altogether?

Or make the point a different way?

"I understand that all discussions about forum administration and admin actions take place in public forums"

Something like that?

Yes, make it more general ... I like your example, but it needs a more inclusive/cooperative feel to it ...

oblivion

23rd December 2011, 05:09 PM

It looks good, ob!


Maybe change some of the wording to be more personal ... ? I've changed the word 'manoeuvres' to 'procedures' as the former can have an unwanted connotation. I've made the part about postcards more explanatory. That last one could probably be trimmed/condensed ... ?



*I take responsibility for a portion of the content of this forum by posting

*I can say anything I want and will be responsible for what I say.

*Spam and illegal content will be removed. Personally identifying information will be removed by request.

*A request for admin action can be made in the appropriate forum and will be dealt with publicly.

*Admin actions are limited to technical procedures, deleting spam/spammers, and removing illegal content.

*While members may send Postcard Messages among themselves in relative privacy, the forum will not protect the privacy of members. I am responsible for my own interactions and disclosures.

I've updated the form to reflect this. I think it's a work in progress, but I'll try to keep the form up to date with what is currently agreed upon.

If you want to look at the form and how it's defined, go to the quick links menu in the navbar. At the bottom of that list there is now a "form" link. Click that. On that page you can do several things. If you click the link to the only form (so far), you can see what the form looks like. There is a drop down box on the right side. It starts empty (fill out the form), but there are several options, including to edit or delete the form. You can also create a new form from that page. We may never need that option, but who knows!

Thanks ... I can't tell you how much I appreciate all you've been doing in setting this up. Your contribution is invaluable, ob ... biggest hugs.

Thanks!. lol, I've been totally geeking out this week! Was wishing I had more time. I'm on vacation now, so will be able to do server side stuff pretty much whenever instead of mostly waiting until I'm home from the office.

oblivion

24th December 2011, 05:48 PM

The email that a new registrant gets once their account has been authorized looks like this:


We have now activated your account at the MindRomp. The forums can be found here:

http://mindromp.org/forum/index.php (http://talkrational.org/index.php)

Your login details are as follows:
Username: xxx
Password: as you entered it when you registered

Don't forget that your password is case sensitive.

To edit your profile, please visit this page:
http://talkrational.org/profile.php?do=editprofile

All the best,

We could change this email text to look something like:

We have now activated your account at MindRomp. The New Member Checklist can be found here:

http://mindromp.org/forum/misc.php?do=form&fid=1 (http://talkrational.org/index.php)

Your login details are as follows:
Username: xxx
Password: as you entered it when you registered

Don't forget that your password is case sensitive.

All the best,

MindRomp

I still like the idea of the forced read thread, but it could be expanded to thank people for doing the acknowledgement, providing a link to the forum in case they bypassed it, and providing info on how to edit their profile, etc.

Cunt

24th December 2011, 06:46 PM

I like forced too, but it looked like it couldn't happen...

oblivion

24th December 2011, 07:06 PM

I like forced too, but it looked like it couldn't happen...
We can force them to read the thread that sends them to the form.

I'm still thinking about how to do this. What would be required is a database read to see if the member has an acknowledgement on file. The new thread and new post routines would have to check for that acknowledgement each time a new post is made or a new thread is started. I could put a new field in the user profile info to indicate the acknowledgement form has been filled out.

I'm worried this could slow things down eventually as the site gets larger and busier.

Cunt

24th December 2011, 07:18 PM

How about acknowledgement required to access the 'deeper forums'? Would that make it easier?

oblivion

24th December 2011, 07:24 PM

It would make the code more complicated. And we'd have to identify which are the deeper forums so they could be checked for. And we'd have to update the code when we add another deeper forum.

I am going to talk to a friend about this. He might be able to come up with a simpler solution than what I am envisioning. maybe I could work it to only check for an acknowledgement if the post count is zero.

Magicziggy

25th December 2011, 12:12 AM

I would like to add my thanks to oblivion... and to elouise for her continued drive on this forum.

The current sign up wording is coming along just fine. I'll have a think about whether everything is covered. Nothing jumps out.

Magicziggy

25th December 2011, 08:56 AM

I would like to add my thanks to oblivion... and to elouise for her continued drive on this forum.

The current sign up wording is coming along just fine. I'll have a think about whether everything is covered. Nothing jumps out.

On second thoughts I made a few comments...